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Cleaned up my talk page for the day. 21:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC) 23:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Blocked

Your username is the only reason for this block. You are welcome to choose a new username (see below).

A username should not be promotional, related to a "real-world" group or organization, misleading, offensive, or disruptive. Also, usernames may not end in the word "bot" unless the account is an approved bot account.

Please choose a new account name that meets our policy guidelines. However, do not create a new account if you wish to credit your existing contributions to a new name through a username change. To request a username change:

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You username is causing serious confusion, which makes it disruptive. Should you wish to change it, I will be more than happy to unblock you so you can request it be changed. Thank you, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:12, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

12Minutes to 10pm on May 9th,08 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Looks like this site is not for me. I don't understand why I cannot just edit. It was nice to help out, I would have liked to stay. Sorry I was so much of a trouble that I had to be "Blocked". I guess this is permanent.

Decline reason:

This isn't a request for unblocking, but a statement that you are planning to be permanently blocked. I can't unblock you because your username will be too confusing for other users, but you'd be welcome to participate under a more reasonable username than User:21:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC). FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I'm sorry you feel that way. The reason for the block was your username, not your edits, so if you wish to change it to something other than a timestamp, the block will be lifted. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Err, your "sorry I feel what way". (FYI, I have never heard this phrase used, where it wasn't condescending. It does have a superficial sound of sympathy though). I feel: a little confused. I edited a statement that thanked the website for the short time I had to edit, no need for sympathy ( I am assuming that this is a first for that phrase). Comments and actions like yours will do wonders for your site. Thank you for your time. 21:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC) 00:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

It really was not meant to be condescending ... I can guarantee that. The username policy doesn't permit your username to be a datestamp. In fact, you don't need to have a userid at all in order to edit - your edits would show up based on your IP address. Nobody's driving you away, just saying that a date as a username doesn't work! Cheers. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 00:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry to have to disagree with my fellow admins on this, but I still do not believe this name warranted a block. We allow people to edit with usernames that aren't even in the Latin alphabet and are essentially meaningless squiggles to those not familiar with the language they are in, yet this user is blocked for having a date as their name. Policy is quite clear on this matter, as you can see at WP:UNCONF. I strongly feel thatthe oft-overlooked option of Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/User names is a better solution in a case such as this. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Latin names are one thing, but this was like user name: "Undid revisions 308586546 by 67.74.51.278 (talk)". Very confusing.

And dear user 21:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC), if you are reading this, please understand and trust the community. You are very welcome. Nobody is chasing you away. You are a good editor. This is about your user name, not about you. Perhaps you don't see the community's point of view because you don't yet have experience with diffs, watchlists, and histories. The community must work together. Please be fair and meet us half way. Not a lot to ask.

Please register a lovely new name and we will welcome you with open arms, and we will give you cookies, and I will send you a pie and a pail full of kittens. We are nice people and we value you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

It's quite clear that this block had community consensus. There should be no further discussion about whether this block was correct or not. The username was disruptive, the user was unwilling to change it, he was blocked. Aditya Ex Machina 07:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I must have missed that community discussion, and the subsequent gag order... Beeblebrox (talk) 17:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I think the block should be discussed. I stand by it because I feel the name is disruptive but that doesn't mean it's unquestionable. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:27, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

(ec)Beeblebrox, I count at least 7 users who found the username confusing/disruptive. I count 1 who found it okay. If you want further review, then you may go here for a clarification, or here for a block review. As for your 'gag order' comment, that was not needed. I made a suggestion. You are not bound to follow it. You may request a change in policy to allow confusing usernames here, or you may request a block review here. I think everyone who visits this page has already stated their opinion. If you're looking for more opinions, go to the places I pointed out. Regards, Aditya Ex Machina 18:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Here is the deal from the perspective of what I have learned:

1. In my 1st day I learned to find the Help Desk.

2. Make a meaningful if not small improvement to an article using the "Random Article button".

3. Formatting such as this entry, the MOS, how to properly reference, inserting an animated object(my favorite new skill).

4. That people found my log in name a problem, so I tried to change my signature a couple of times, even made a user page that I don't need in order to point it at what I was told to do: (read: That I tried to do what I was told to do)

"Signatures must include at least one internal link to your user page, user talk page, or contributions page; this allows other editors easy access to your talk page and contributions log." Will you change the username? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:39, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

5. That people will leave demoralizing edit summaries: (emphasis mine)

1. 21:21, 1 May 2010 Unionhawk (talk | contribs) (4,733 bytes) (→May 2010: just wait for the block... he clearly has no clue) (undo)

6. Or psychoanalyze me: (emphasis mine)

Just to let you know, we all really tried to be welcoming and polite and urge the user to pick a different name. The edits in response ranged from aloof to passive–aggressive. Though Beeblebrox feels that the user name is acceptable, a look at watchlists, diffs, and histories shows that editors will spend 10 seconds a pop trying to make heads or tails of the "date and time" in the wrong place. 10 seconds lost on each encounter will add up for the edits already made. Imagine 5,000 edits with this "time and date" showing up in the wrong place. You nipped it in the bud. I think the editor didn't give an inch or see the point of view of the community at all. Nobody wants to see a new, productive editor blocked, but it was made clear that it was not he about to be blocked, but the account name. And now we are meant to feel like we chased him away. Not fair play. I feel that you had no choice and made the right decision. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

What I wanted to accomplish, was not to be stuck here, or commenting about the edits of others, but to learn a little more about how to edit(fixing "Randoms"), so that I could start working on major improvements or new articles about things I really like and would want to research and write articles about. I am truly sorry I have gotten off on the wrong foot over something as silly as a log on, but it is just not right to be bullied around by individuals whose logs show very little about what I think is important, and that is creating valuable text. This is about me and my actions, I understand that, But it is ironic that I am hounded here by editors that are not editing. (Look at the most recent page of your "Contribution List" to see if I mean you)

I was referred to as a "Troll" or some such. Not sure what that means here, but to me on the web it is someone that jumps in to start trouble. I have only jumped into articles here, and when I make a change, I have let others know to put it back if it wasn't for the better.

I keep seeing the word "Disruptive" thrown around. It must be a hot button around here. I don't see how I have been "Disruptive" other than the responses that I am creating here. But from my view, when I am trying to enjoy the the simple task of "making things better"(as minor as it may be), disruptive is a Orange bar at the top of the page, dragging me back to a page that is not helping the articles, to answer to someone because my round signature doesn't fit nicely in the square hole. My advice: If you find it so terrible...walk away from it. Go find an article and make it better. Is there something in the water here at this site that makes people go out and look to give editors grief? If so, I know a couple of editors that need to avoid the fountain for awhile. I don't mind interaction, as I am sure that collaborating with others makes for better articles, so I hope I haven't come off as a hermit that doesn't value discussion.  :) These are the things that I have learned. 21:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC) 18:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Please answer this: Why are you unwilling to change your username, if so many people find it confusing, and if it's generating so much friction? Aditya Ex Machina 18:58, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The only trouble is your name- you haven't done anything wrong, but your username looks different to every editor every time they load the page and it will confuse the bots we use to archive many talk pages because they rely on timestamps. If you'd like to change your username to something other than a timestamp, I'll be more than happy arrange it for you. I am incredibly sorry that this was your first experience of Misplaced Pages- I might be an arsehole, but not all editors are! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:02, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

(ecx3) Why should he have to if it does not actually violate policy? Why should he be blocked when actual edits from this account have not been disruptive? Why did nobody consider Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/User names instead of indef blocking? By the way, I have initiated a discussion of this block at WP:ANI. Relevant section is titled "Block review." Beeblebrox (talk) 19:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

• @HJMitchell: I'm not sure you are correct about the name appearing differently or confusing the bots. The name looks the same every time to me. I'm no expert on bots but since the sig is followed each time by an actual timestamp I think the bots won't get confused and think it's two years ago. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:09, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

To: Aditya, Please feel free to discuss with your peers on this page, but before you directly address me with a question, please resolve my concern with the "Troll" comment. 21:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC) 19:14, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Those of use who use the "Change UTC-based times and dates..." gadget see a very confusing display, for example, right now the gadget has reformatted the username as "4:48 pm, 9 May 2008, Friday (1 year, 11 months, 24 days ago) (UTC−5)". I know, it's a case not anticipated by the gadget's designer, but I just wanted to explain why the name will look different each time to some people. —DoRD (talk) 19:20, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Aditya, where at Misplaced Pages talk:Username policy is the discussion about this user name? I can't see anything relevant, but perhaps I'm losing my eyesight in my advancing years! I do read at WP:UNCONF Some usernames appear problematic without fitting clearly into one of the four categories. This is often the case with confusing or extremely lengthy usernames, which are highly discouraged but which are not so inappropriate on their own that they require an immediate block. - with that in mind, I personally would not have blocked this account (sorry, HJ Mitchell!) - but I also won't reverse it and start a Wheel war! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 19:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I do not understand the above, but I do understand that I am causing some sort of technical problem to others. I have made quite a few attempts to make things better at, "my preferences". I will try again, any suggestions are welcome.21:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC) 19:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Test sig here> 21:48, 9 May 2008 19:33, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

21:48, as others have said above, and at WP:ANI, it's too confusing to use a timestamp as a user name. This is the only reason that the block has been applied. Please consider choosing a more conventional user name and you can the be unblocked and edit under that name. Mjroots2 (talk) 19:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

This is hilarious Peanut gallery (talk) 19:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Another attempt to make fix the problem. Have to go for awhile. Test sig here> 12Minutes to 10pm on May 9th,08 19:39, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

(outdent)Beeblebrox, I believe numerous editors have elaborated on why they find the username disruptive. You could read their comments in the talk page history (the comments have been blanked by the user with the time stamp name).

PhantomSteve, there is no discussion there; your eyesight is fine. :) I was merely suggesting that Beeblebrox start a discussion there to allow confusing names. There is a section in the username policy that states that admins must use common sense and discretion, and that applies here.

User:21:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC), your lack of cooperation in resolving this issue probably resulted in the 'troll' comment, though it shouldn't have. And if you don't want to answer my question, then just say it. There's no need to waste everyone's time here with completely irrelevant points. Aditya Ex Machina 19:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit- I now understand what those people meant when they said the username keeps changing. It does change, actually. I see a different username each time. Aditya Ex Machina 19:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

If you want we can change your actual username, not just your signature and that should resolve the problem. How about User:12 minutes to 10, or User:12 minutes, etc? Prodego 19:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Or even User:12Minutes to 10pm on May 9th,08, which is your current signature. Aditya Ex Machina 19:58, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

If you want to change your username, I'll be happy to help you arrange it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I hope you understand that changing your signature doesn't change your username, which will always be what it is now no matter what your signature is. The confusing nature of your signature is a secondary issue, the difficulty with confusing names is that people won't be able to locate your username on page histories (where the name not the signature appears) and will be unable to type your name into things in order to locate you if your signature is not close to hand. SGGH 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

TO: Aditya, you are no help, please leave me alone. Maybe you could study your edit history and try to find a productive edit if you are bored. TO: Prodego, I like your 1st suggestion, I would like the year and month in my name if it doesn't cause problems that DORD was trying to explain. I would just like to learn how to edit better and then start on my own articles. Can the unhelpful editors please go poke at someone else for awhile. 12Minutes to 10pm on May 9th,08 20:14, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies for my last message, which was a bit harsh (I'm going offline soon, getting tired! - thanks to Prodego for reverting it). I do feel that Prodego's suggestions are a good idea - and SGGH explains the problem quite nicely. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 20:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

So you want the month and the year in your username. Would you prefer User:May of 08 or User:May of 2008? Or something else? Prodego 20:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, in addition to time of day wanted month and year. Maybe there is a way I can have it all concisely without causing DORD issues? 080509@2148 whatever will give me peace. 12Minutes to 10pm on May 9th,08 20:14, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

User:12 minutes to 10pm on May 9th 2008? Anything close to that should be fine, the only thing I can't do is @ symbols, which can't be in usernames. Prodego 20:17, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)You're currently signing as 12Minutes to 10pm on May 9th,08- would you like to be your username? That can be arranged. I've posted to WP:BN to see if a bureaucrat can assist us here (they're the only ones who can change usernames). Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:19, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm here at the moment, but I'm leaving in 10 minutes, so unless a decision happens fast, we'll have to wait for someone else to come along. Useight (talk) 20:20, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I have MBisanz waiting, you all can go. Just, go. (and for Useight, no need to wait). Prodego 20:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

All hands cease fire!...To Prodego: Your suggestion is fine. I have trouble reading through the markup and dealing with the page conflicts. I assume it gets easier with time. If you can set the preferences for me that would be great. Please let me know when I can get back to my "Random page" button. 12Minutes to 10pm on May 9th,08 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)