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DYK & ITN

This user has written or expanded 162 articles featured in the Did You Know section on the Main Page.

My DYKs are on this sub-page.

		The 25 DYK Medal
		For achieving your 25th Did You Know? I hereby award you this big fat medal. Well done. Hersfold 23:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

		The 50 DYK Medal
		Trams, mills, railways ... I think Isambard would have been proud of your approach particulary the French ideas, but he would have barred our veteran editor from further progression for supporting a railway that was merely a metre. But he's not here! So more seriously, thank you on behalf of the wiki. (Let me tell you though that the 100 one s a really cool yellowy gold colour). Good luck with the GA and cheers Victuallers (talk) 12:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

		The 100 DYK Medal
		As I told you at 50 ... the 100 DYK medal is a really cool shade of yellow. I hope you are not disappointed, as the wiki is not regretful at all of your efforts. Well done. The wiki gets better due to your contributions and its a pleasure to thank you again on behalf of the wiki. See you at 200? Victuallers (talk) 21:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Dyks

Your welcome ... ask the two people you nominated! They count too Victuallers (talk) 13:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

April Fools DYK?

Hey, MJ, would you be interested in collaborating with me on an April Fools double DYK nom? I'm looking to add two ship articles: one from the WWI era, and one from the WWII era. I thought if you were interested, you could write the WWII-era article. Let me know if you're interested, and I can fill in the details. Thanks. — Bellhalla (talk) 12:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

If you could write an article for the Ellerman Lines ship SS Lesbian (1923), I'll write about their former SS Lesbian (1915). I was thinking about a hook like this:

…that the Ellerman Lines employed two Lesbians in the early 20th century but both met with tragic fates in the Mediterranean, one in World War I, and the other in World War II?

Other than the usual sources available, like Plimsoll, Convoyweb, etc.; I've found a source for the second one that might be helpful: Here (I also thought of an alternative hook involving only the latter ship, but I'm pretty sure it would be too ribald for the Main Page.) — Bellhalla (talk) 13:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'd seen that there was an older one, but Miramar showed it as Leyland Line (I think). How about either:

…that the Ellerman Lines employed three Lesbians in the early 20th century but two met with tragic fates in the Mediterranean, one in World War I, and the other in World War II?

or:

…that John Ellerman employed not one, not two, but three lesbians in the early 20th century?

This will give a little context and helps avoid the rather suggestive had. If we want to get suggestive, we could always use only the third ship and say:

"…that you can pay to go down on a Lesbian in Beirut?

(no offense intended to anyone reading this.) — Bellhalla (talk) 00:39, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

number DYK

I've noticed over the past few weeks that you seem to be on fire for Mills and other articles including Camberwell. Congrats on the 90+. Btw, if you do Braughing, i have a small bit of info on trade (or copy if from Buntingford Branch Line). Simply south (talk) 21:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

ITN

On 30 June, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2009 Viareggio train derailment, which you created. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 10:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

On 25 July, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Aria Air Flight 1525, which you created. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 02:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

On 21 November 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2009 Great Britain and Ireland floods, which you created. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 12:17, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

On 18 December 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article MV Danny F II, which you created. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 15:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

On 28 March 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article ROKS Cheonan (PCC-772), which you substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

I saw you were the main contributor to the article, but there were a few other names too. If you think I have missed somebody feel free to copy paste this to them as well. Many thanks - Dumelow (talk) 11:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

On 10 April 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash, which you created. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

--I'm not sure congratulations would be appropriate given the subject matter, but well done on getting the article (I seem to be ITN's unofficial postman). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:06, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

On 12 April 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2010 Merano train derailment, which you created. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

--Two in as many days- impressive. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Admin

Old discussions are archived here.

GetJar

GetJar was created before, and deleted, and is now protected by admin. Can you help me get it unprotected or help me identify the admin who can/should? Thanks. Mathiastck (talk) 01:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure where my reply to your post on my talk page should go, so I am double replying there and here. I plan to make GetJar redirect to List_of_digital_distribution_platforms_for_mobile_devices. But that's really a temporary fallback position. Here is my draft for what I will replace the redirect with User:Mathiastck/GetJar. So yes, I propose to create a new article that meets all relevant Misplaced Pages policies. I was not previously involved, but when I twittered that I was gonna have to try and create the page they did contact me. So the above draft is what any wiki editor should have done to the original article. Mind you I'm an inclusionist :-) I still need them to send me their original sources. Mathiastck (talk) 18:51, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

User:Simonpettersen

Hello! Not so long ago you gave Simonpettersen a final warning for inappropriate image uploads based on an issue I brought up at ANI, which can be seen at User_talk:Simonpettersen#ANI. Well he's just done it again with this image. Cheers. Rehevkor ✉ 14:05, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Indiana Militia Corps

Thanks for your offering of the userfied version of this article, however several elements are missing including an external link to their website. I cached a better version at User:JP419/rescued_pages-Indiana_Militia_Corps. As I mentioned elsewhere, this article was improperly deleted. The help I require is in navigating the undeletion review process; and if that fails, how I would go about getting arbitration. JP419 (talk) 19:27, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again. Can you offer any help regarding undeletion and/or arbitration? As I mentioned, the deletion was improper and a violation of WP:Policy. JP419 (talk) 19:37, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the link but JohnCD was edit warring me. He blanket asserts there is nothing that can or will be notable about the organization, and therefore the article must be kept deleted. Suggestions??!? Is there someone I ought to go to about this?? JP419 (talk) 19:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, whatever JohnCD's status, he's blocked my efforts to bring the article back. I am aware of 3RR, but I believe I already had it pretty well userfied (see my link). The only thing I missed was the Categories (which I can add when I resurrect the page). I did in fact add several third-party sources and a couple of them were relatively recent. And again, mucho thanks! JP419 (talk) 20:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I also noted the rationale for deletion, but the notability was within 18 months, and there are articles that have not been notable for well beyond 36 months. I noted that in the debate and was ignored; I seem to recall that "current notability" doesn't mean that you have to have recent news feeds detailing what's currently being said about an organization. And let's face it, we're talking about militia groups that are not well known for being mentioned regularly in the news. In fact, they seem to go to lengths to stay out of the news and off peoples' radars. The lack of recently dated citations, therefore, doesn't reduce notability. (I pointed that out as well, and was still ignored). JP419 (talk) 20:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I felt I should inform you that I started a new thread at WP:ANI here Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Indiana_Militia_Corps.2C_part_deux regarding the deletion of Indiana Militia Corps. Angryapathy (talk) 18:00, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Last of the Summer Wine (series 31)

There's an IP editor who keeps making unconstructive edits to Last of the Summer Wine (series 31). I templated him twice yesterday but he's done it again (content removal). I've reverted; but do you think a level 3 is in order such as {{Uw-delete3}}, should I go back to level 1, or ignore him? Level 3 warns of a block, but issuing a block is not in my power. What do you think is best? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:20, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I think it's only one IP editor. After a period of being reverted for continual adding of unsourced information, he's now doing the opposite. He's not removing the whole table, just part of it - either the header or footer, which breaks the wikicode. I shall slap a {{Uw-delete3}} on him, thanks. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:33, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Suspected sock

Hi Mj, I've never reported a sock before, so don't know the procedure. Could you please let me know what should be done re Gellrok (talk · contribs) who is doing something similar to Gellrock (talk · contribs) that was blocked by Rodhullandemu yesterday? --Redrose64 (talk) 10:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Associates of Gellrock

I suspect that JoshuaHillman (talk · contribs) and Hillmajo (talk · contribs) may be associates of the above, judging by the edits each has done. These two also have user names with similarities. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

JoshuaHillman (talk · contribs) has previously been issued with a {{uw-vandalism4im}} (not by me), but has continued this morning. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Grundle2600

See what I said at the bottom of Bigtimepeace's talk page; in the discussion itself when I was designing the wording, I explicitly mentioned that we were using Thatcher's sanction (almost identical, except that it would be indefinite and inclusive of discussion-ban). Ncmvocalist (talk) 09:48, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I think that in light of his history of attempting to game the system by testing the boundaries of previous restrictions, there are concerns he's doing the same here. Instead of editing in an area that would not be so controversial, he consciously chose to edit in an area where politics and science are very much linked - and the pages he was working on did not solely focus on the scientific aspects. I know of the BLP value of the edit I brought up, but it demonstrates that in the midst of already controversial editing, he made a very clear edit regarding a US politician (such edits which he is explicitly banned from making). So everyone isn't talking about climate change probation, but rather the topic ban. That said, the climate change probation seems relevant to this also though, and perhaps it might prove simpler enforcing that. Ncmvocalist (talk) 12:55, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

As an user who commented at this discussion, you may wish to weigh in on Grundle2600's topic ban modification request. Ncmvocalist (talk) 09:23, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Unban I appreciate the heads-up at WP:RESTRICT. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Hungarian names in Romania

• Administrative note: THIS SUBJECT IS NOW CLOSED, it was fully discussed at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive605

Hello

I would like you to ask you to express your opinion about the format that should be used for the localities from Romania where Hungarian has co-official status (where at least 20% of the population speaks Hungarian)

Variant 1. Romanian_Name (Template:Lang-hu)
Variant 2. Romanian_Name or Hungarian_Name (Template:Lang-ro; Template:Lang-hu)
Variant 3. Romanian_Name(Romanian) or Hungarian_Name(Hungarian)

There are used different formats on different articles and I think it should exist a standard format used for all of them

Thanks in advance for your answer. Umumu (talk) 11:10, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello, i am contacting you to try to resolve a certain problem with Hungarian names in Romania. In Romania official language is Romanian therefore names of the certain towns etc should be in Romanian and then in brackets in other language names. I think that is the standard wiki policy, please, correct me if i am wrong. Now some users are trying to change this, ex . Can you please help me to solve this problem? Thank you in advance. iadrian (talk) 16:19, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I can only repeat myself. Please look at the compromise reached many years ago on this subject(see: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Odorheiu_Secuiesc) It was clearly agreed that >20%, Hungarian names should be bolded and put into the infobox, too. Everywhere else in Transylvania, even if the Hungarian population is less than 20%, Hungarian placename should be in brackets.

Please also study the recent opinion on this issue of neutral and undoubtedly impartial editors here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:S%C4%83rma%C5%9Fu

Please stop wikihounding and vandalizing hundreds of articles.

Kind regards:User:Rokarudi Rokarudi 09:02, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Hungarian names in Romania

o ease notify User:Markussep and User:Jezhotwells of this discussion. They are very experienced on such issues, and have recently given an opinion on such a matter.kind regards: Rokarudi--Rokarudi 11:47, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

The situation is very clear, respect the standard naming policy WP:PLACE and , don`t implement your own, as we said where the discussion is taking place here. Even on previous discussions i do not see anything to support your "naming policy".iadrian (talk)

Rokarudi, please answer here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Hungarian_names_of_Romanian_places. User:Mjroots already said that this issue is outside his area of knowledge.(Umumu (talk) 12:06, 25 March 2010 (UTC))

Mjroots can you please make a ruling in this case so the disruptive editing can stop, since the problem is very clear. Rokarudi refuses to respect standard wiki naming policy. Thank you.iadrian (talk) 12:43, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I understand, but i thought that the matter is very clear, there are some wiki rules, and Rokarudi refuses to respect them. I don`t think that a consensus will be reached since Status QUO fits him and i can`t apply(repair his edits) the standard naming policy until this is over.iadrian (talk) 13:00, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I undestand. Thank you.iadrian (talk) 13:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello, about our discusson on the ANI page. We can`t make a compromise since Rokarudi is ignoring all arguments represented and he is making edits with no arguments to support his POV. Can you please make a decision to end this dispute? Or if you can`t , please tell me who can? Thank you.iadrian (talk) 21:48, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

hello. Sorry for being insistent, but you were not very clear. Which variant from here did you reccomend  ?

Variant 1. Romanian_Name (Template:Lang-hu)

Variant 2. Romanian_Name or Hungarian_Name (Template:Lang-ro; Template:Lang-hu)

Variant 3. Romanian_Name(Romanian) or Hungarian_Name(Hungarian) (Umumu (talk) 07:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC))

Because we did not share his POV, User:Rokarudi has also accused us of sockpuppetry http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Umumu. Can you please solve this problem too? Thanks (Umumu (talk) 07:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC))

Hi,

With all respect to your ruling on the subject matter, I would like to remind you that uninvolved neutral parties User:Markussep and User:Jezhotwells in a separate dispute resolution process gave an absolutely different opinion just before this discussion started. I asked you to notify them about the discussion, and it was your chioce not to do it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:S%C4%83rma%C5%9Fu
http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests/Archive_73

In your ruling you called for uninvolved editors who may disagree with your reading of consensus to say so and to explain why this is not the case. As you may have overlooked the above links I gave in the discusion, I asked these editors to give you an opinion on this issue, as my arguments seem to you to be of a too much interested party. I would also be happy if you could contact them as to the right interpretation. I did not contact them before as I did not want to make seem stacking the vote. Markussep works in the geography project and he is very experienced on geographich naming issue. You can also contact any of the editors who took part in the 2007 compromise User:Rokarudi--Rokarudi 17:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Rokarudi, it is time for you to respect the wiki rules and to understand the difference between Hungarian and English wikipedia. There are clear rules that address this matter and by you, we should use a special rule (for no reason than nostalgic ones, since i can`t see any other reason of your disruptive edits on many Romania related articles ignoring a whole set of rules), just for Romania. I stumbled on some of your edits that clearly shows some unusual problems with Romania`s related articles, i don`t know what to think. It would be nice for you to start to respect the WP:PLACE and the wiki rules that exist and are crystal clear regarding the naming policy of places,rivers and counties in Romania. I should not mention again that you haven`t presented a single valid argument to support your POV. I also saw your "projects" for toponyms in Romania, and just to say it, that is also against wiki rules , like this that again forces Hungarian names in Romania. I hope that you will stop forcing Hungarians names in Romania. I hope that it is not a problem for my comment here, if there is, i will erase it. Best wishes.iadrian (talk) 18:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Rokarudi, I had personally notified User:Markussep here: (Umumu (talk). He said that me and User:Iadrian yu are right 18:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC))

Racist editor back

The editor responsible for the recent spate of racist vandalisms concerning Lewis Hamilton has re-appeared on the 2008 Formula One Season article, under a similar range of IPs as before. I've given the last IP a warning here, some sort of block may be in order. QueenCake (talk) 18:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Aye, this vandal is extremely persistent, I would agree with a ban on the phrase, though I admit I don't have much knowledge on edit filters. Thanks for the speedy action QueenCake (talk) 18:47, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Request

I posted that thread on the wrong noticeboard. I meant to post it on AN. Could you move your comment over there and delete the thread? I don't want to do it myself, as I don't want to be accused of refactoring comments.

Also, no IP editors have edited that talk page for years, aside from our banned user.— Dædαlus 06:25, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Hungarian names for Romanian places

Hello Mjroots,

You made a ruling in the discussion Hungarian names for Romanian places here:

In the discussion there were 3 participants: Iadrian yu (talk · contribs), Umumu (talk · contribs), Amon Koth (talk · contribs) versus Rokarudi (talk · contribs). The status quo before the discussion was according to a compromise reached by a greater number of editors in Odorhei Secuiesc discussion. As Rokarudi pointed out, according to this compromise the specific rules for Transylvania were the following : Romanian titles, Romanian and Hungarian names in the infobox (if =E2==89=A520), Romanian names in bold and Hungarian ones (for anywhere in Transylvania, even if <20%) in italics, and also German names if applicable. After the ruling, one of the participants Umumu was proven to be a sock-puppet of Iaaasi and indefinitely banned from editing Misplaced Pages (although he got a promise for possibility of returning by administrator Excirial that could happen some month later if and only if he refrain from making sockpuppets and editing controversial topics). The other participant, Amon Koth, never had any single edit on Misplaced Pages, therefore, his opinion may not be regarded as an opinion that creates a new consensus. Please revise your ruling as the majority opinion accepted by you as a new consensus was based on the opinion of banned editors and editor without edits.Very best wishes.--Nmate (talk) 09:59, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

RE: linking a foto file to a name in an article

I saws this question and I thought I'd ask you about this on your page. Since the artist is dead, wouldn't it qualify as NFCC 1 No free equivalent, the artist is dead, it'a self portrait and definetly not reproduceable. Or am I mis-understanding? KoshVorlonNaluboutes,Aeria Gloris 13:41, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Aircraft & Airlines

Earlier discussions are archived here

Good Article Review of BOAC Flight 712

-- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 10:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Re British Airways 146 incident

Hello, i have reverted your reversion on the 146 incident as the pilot was blown out of the aicraft, the pressure was greater inside the aircraft than the outside as the fuselage is pressurised at altitude and the air becomes thinner the higher up you go. There was no suction as the aircraft would have to be in a vacuum for such a thing to happen, aeroplanes operate in the atmosphere otherwise without the air they would not be able to fly and the engines would not run.

Ps i am an aircraft engineer!

Zippyandgeorge (talk) 07:33, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply it is duly noted!

Regards

Zippyandgeorge (talk) 07:52, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Reactions to Polish air crash

Please could there be a review of the AFD. It is rare for me to disagree with decisons in admin land, but take a look at User:Ianmacm/Sandbox1. 106 citations for one death, is this really necessary?--♦IanMacM♦ 12:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

AfD

Is version in line with an AfD decision (made over 65kb of discussion two days ago) a wrong version? Simple question, simple answer please.--Avala (talk) 19:40, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

You might be an optimist but hoping that there will be any will for some discussion after the draining AfD and especially with a user that openly ignores warnings because "others tried to warn him before" and says that the community "gets things wrong a lot" and continues to revert them is a bit too optimist. Plus where does this end? How do you imagine this ends? If we got a result in an official process but one user thinks that this content is "shite", "silliness", "ignorable" and "rote platitudes" and goes on with reverts. We can discuss but it will lead nowhere, we will say yes, he will say no a few dozen times and then what? Even the deletion review makes little sense, he will ignore that too. And this experience that there is no will to protect even the AfD decisions from two days ago tells me that we will not have any better results with protecting deletion review results (not to mention how unfair and undemocratic it is to start a review 2 days after the AfD as I can't see what new thing will be brought to the community).

As for the article specific issue you raised, on my part I tried to overcome this by placing it within the collapsible template.--Avala (talk) 19:55, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Geotags

Geo Links and Geograph

There are problems with your suggestion- which is the reason I haven't done it. There is a discussion forum Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates that is discussing the whole thing. The crux is that many people are unhappy if the link goes to one site, no matter how useful, and believes that the link should only go to GeoHack, where the reader can choose the map they want. There are a lot of unhappy people there. I have a problem with the way we are doing the conversion. It looks great, but if we edit either gridref or the location then the other doesn't change. In looking for a solution, I have been looking at the maths and a lot doesn't add up, this coupled with the volatility of forum, I have been hanging back. ClemRutter (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, and thanks for the contact. To me this looks good, but (and it is a big but) I'm afraid the issue appears more complex and contentious than I had first anticipated. I'm also not particularly "clued-up" about which system is good and which is bad, which seems to be part of an ongoing debate. All I know is that there should be a standard system, and these should be included as part of the text for settlements in the UK. Have you taken this to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates? -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox geotags- looks as it will take some time. Its on my list! ClemRutter (talk) 01:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Checking inline geotags

• Now the accuracy of OStoWiki has been corrected (+/- 2m) all previous references may need tweaking.
• The GeoHack tool now has a new interface and at the bottom of the GB section, under the dangerously inaccurate grid reference is a fantastic tool called Map of all Coordinates in article.
• I tried it on the Loose stream, and because of it I I'm going to make another tweak to OStoWiki.

ClemRutter (talk) 21:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

It is perfectly safe to use: the next tweak will be an enhancementClemRutter (talk) 23:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Oscoor

Thanks for the reminder. Although I use OS maps within multimap to find things, multimap gives DMS output, and the numbering of the OS gridlines in the display tends to be hidden; so I tend to think I'm not ever going to use {{oscoor}}. However your intervention did cause me to go back and read the national grid system article, so as to understand the resolution of various lengths of OS coordinate. As I would not have done this without your intervention; thanks! --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Problem with gbmapping and oscoor templates

Hi, There seems to be a small inaccuracy in the translation of OSGB coords to WGS84. I've mentioned it here and here but haven't found anyone who might be able to fix it. Do you know where it would be best to raise it, please?--Cavrdg (talk) 20:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Mills

Earlier discussions are archived here

Beam pump

Hi there. WT:GM recommended I ask you, I wondered if you'd be interested in this? I'm currently trying to drum up support so it can be restored and preserved in situ, and wondered if you knew anyone who might be interested. The pump is at Radcliffe, Greater Manchester. Parrot of Doom 20:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I have now, thanks :) Parrot of Doom 21:04, 9 December 2009 (UTC)>

Paltrok mill

Sorry, we both edited at the same time so my expansion includes the Paltrock spelling. I used this because the English reference I was using spelt it that way. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not too fussed about the spelling. My main aim is to translate the German wiki article on the de:Internationales Wind- und Wassermühlen-Museum which is home to one of these mills. If you are a mill expert, it would be great if you could scan the article when it's ready for any errors. Regards. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:32, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Mills Project

Thanks for letting me konw. My main focus currently is translating German articles on railways and the area I live in - Lower Saxony. But mills sound interesting - if there are any German mill articles worth adding I'm happy to give it a go - Sansoucci mill may be a start. I may also look out for mills to photograph. --Bermicourt (talk) 13:29, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

International Wind- and Watermill Museum

I've just completed translation of the above article. It needs a second eye casting over it and probably more links. It would be good for a DYK, but the original gives no in-line references so it would probably fail. Cheers. --Bermicourt (talk) 14:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Lower Saxon Mill Road

Just added this article as well. Grateful if you could cast an expert eye over it if you have time. It is referenced so might be a candidate for a DYK. Don't worry I'm giving translation of mill articles a rest for a bit! --Bermicourt (talk) 21:27, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Waterhall Mill, Patcham

Hi. Yes, Patcham is right per all sources; the IP is notionally right in that it happens to be closer to present-day Westdene than present-day Patcham, but the fact remains that it was built long before Westdene was built within the old parish of Patcham, as Patcham's windmill. I've put some more details on the talk page, and have added an explicit ref to the lead. (I probably didn't help matters by putting a paragraph about the mill in the Westdene article when I wrote it!) Best regards, Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Goole Fields

Hi, as you have created the list articles for mills you may be the best person to answer this. I have just spotted Goole Fields mill on Geograph and there appears to be no entry in List of windmills in the East Riding of Yorkshire. Is this an omission or is it really called something else? Keith D (talk) 01:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Textile mill progress

Just to up date you. I have these two templates, that sum up progress and what needs to done. In the first you can pick up the company histories and a lists of lists of textile mills. In the second you can see the progress on individual later mills.

v t e Lancashire cotton
Architects	David Bellhouse Bradshaw Gass & Hope F.W. Dixon & Son Edward Potts Stott Stott and Sons Sidney Stott (later Sir Philip)
Engine makers	Daniel Adamson Ashton Frost Ashworth & Parker Bateman & Sherratt Boulton & Watt Browett, Lindley & Co Buckley & Taylor Carels Frères Clayton, Goodfellow & Co Earnshaw & Holt Fairbairn W & J Galloway & Sons Benjamin Goodfellow B. Hick and Sons / Hick, Hargreaves & Co John Musgrave & Sons J & W McNaught Petrie of Rochdale William Roberts & Co of Nelson George Saxon Scott & Hodgson Urmson & Thompson Yates & Thom / Yates of Blackburn Willans & Robinson J & E Wood Woolstenhulmes & Rye
Machinery makers	Brooks & Doxey Butterworth & Dickinson Curtis, Parr & Walton Dobson & Barlow John Hetherington & Sons Joseph Hibbert John Pilling and Sons Harling & Todd Howard & Bullough Geo. Hattersley Asa Lees Mather & Platt Parr, Curtis & Madely British Northrop Loom Co Pemberton & Co Platt Brothers Taylor, Lang & Co Textile Machinery Makers Tweedales & Smalley T. Wildman & Sons
Mill owners	Elkanah Armitage Henry Ashworth Hugh Birley Hugh Hornby Birley Joseph Brotherton James Burton Peter Drinkwater Nathaniel Eckersley John Fielden William Gray Hannah Greg Samuel Greg Richard Howarth William Houldsworth John Kennedy George Augustus Lee Charles Macintosh Hugh Mason Samuel Oldknow Robert Peel John Rylands Thomas Whitehead and Brothers
Limited companies	Oldham Limiteds Fine Spinners and Doublers Lancashire Cotton Corporation Bagley & Wright Combined Egyptian Mills Courtaulds James Burton & Sons Amalgamated Cotton Mills Trust
Industrial processes	Textile manufacturing Cotton-spinning machinery DREF friction spinning Magnetic ring spinning Open-end spinning Ring spinning Spinning frame Spinning jenny Spinning mule Carding Steaming Water frame Roberts Loom Lancashire Loom Northrop Loom Air-jet loom Rapier loom Dandy loom Lancashire boiler
Associations	Amalgamated Association of Beamers, Twisters and Drawers (Hand and Machine) Amalgamated Association of Operative Cotton Spinners Amalgamated Textile Warehousemen's Association Amalgamated Textile Workers' Union Amalgamated Weavers' Association Cardroom Amalgamation General Union of Lancashire and Yorkshire Warp Dressers' Association General Union of Loom Overlookers Lancashire Amalgamated Tape Sizers' Friendly Society North East Lancashire Amalgamated Weavers' Association Northern Counties Textile Trades Federation The Textile Institute United Textile Factory Workers' Association
Employment practices	More looms Kissing the shuttle Mule spinners' cancer Piece-rate list
Lists of mills	LCC mills Bolton Bury Cheshire Derbyshire Lancashire Manchester Oldham (borough) Preston Rochdale Salford Stockport Tameside Wigan Yorkshire
Museums	Bancroft Shed Helmshore Mills Queen Street Mill Weavers' Triangle Quarry Bank Mill, Styal
Pioneers	Richard Arkwright Samuel Crompton Peter Foxcroft James Hargreaves Thomas Highs John Kay (flying shuttle) John Kay (spinning frame) Robert Owen

v t e Lancashire Cotton Corporation
Bury	Pilot Mill, Bury Wilton Mill, Radcliffe
Bolton	Ainsworth Mill, Breightmet Bolton Union Mill, Bolton Century Mill, Farnworth
Lancashire	Coppull Mill Imperial Mill, Blackburn Mavis Mill
Manchester and Salford	Brunswick Mill, Ancoats Monton Mill, Eccles
Oldham	Ace Mill, Hollinwood Blackridings Mill, Oldham Dawn Mill, Shaw Fox Mill, Hollinwood Hawk Mill, Shaw Heron Mill, Hollinwood Junction Mill, Middleton Junction Kent Mill, Chadderton Laurel Mill, Middleton Junction Magnet Mill, Chadderton Majestic Mill, Waterhead Manor Mill, Chadderton Newby Mill, Shaw Orme Mill, Waterhead Regent Mill, Failsworth Royd Mill, Oldham Royton Ring Mill, Royton Rutland Mill, Shaw Textile Mill, Chadderton Trent Mill, Shaw
Rochdale	Arkwright Mill, Rochdale Harp Mill, Castleton Malta Mill, Middleton Mars Mill, Castleton
Stockport	Elder Mill, Romiley Kingston Mill, Stockport Palmer Mills, Stockport Vernon Mill, Stockport Welkin Mill, Lower Bredbury
Tameside	Atlas Mill, Ashton-under-Lyne Cedar Mill, Ashton-under-Lyne Rock Mill, Ashton-under-Lyne Saxon Mill, Droylsden Stalybridge Mill, Stalybridge Texas Mill, Ashton-under-Lyne Tudor Mill, Ashton-under-Lyne Waterside Mill, Ashton-under-Lyne
Wigan	Empress Mill, Ince May Mill, Pemberton Trencherfield Mill
West Yorkshire	Foxsons Mill, Staincliffe Mons Mill, Todmorden

Yes, I'm still upright and breathing.--ClemRutter (talk) 14:18, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I believe that Yates of Blackburn was a predecessor to Yates & Thom; and that the latter subsequently became Foster, Yates & Thom. Their factory was on both sides of Manner Sutton Street (at the Eanam end). I remember that there was something resembling a bridge across the street, connecting the two buildings, which may have been some sort of housing for pipes or ducts. This was painted a dark colour - whether black, grey or blue I don't recall - but with the FYT logo in yellow. A few years ago I bought a Corgi "Dibnah's Choice" model steam traction engine and low-loader; the latter carries a Lancashire boiler painted black, with "YATES & THOM LTD. BLACKBURN" in white. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

De Rat, IJlst

You said: AFAIK, one doesn't need to supply a source for a translation. The European Water Vole article has a Dutch equivalent nl:woelrat, whict states in the lede De woelrat of waterrat (The Woelrat(modern spelling) or Water rat). Mjroots (talk) 17:43, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I didn't mean to ask a source for the translation, but of the name itself. Why did they name a mill after a water rat? The the original owner have one as a pet? Did the superstitious builders disturb the nest of one during the construction?--Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 17:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination for De Hoop, Holwerd

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100 mills

Hi Mjroots, congratulations with 100 mill articles about dutch windmills on en-wikipedia. At least counted from the interwiki's to 'en' on the dutch wikipedia here. (number 100 will show up this night.) Akoopal (talk) 20:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I know you didn't do all. Still you created number 100 :-) Always nice to mention milestones. Akoopal (talk) 20:38, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

People

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Selena

Hey there Mjroots, not sure if you noticed, but Alwaysshawn (talk · contribs) reverted your edit in Selena after I brought it up at WP:ANI. Thought I'd let you know. — ξ 23:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

John Barnett Humphreys

Hello Mjroots, having you by chance some information about John Barnett Humphreys. Please have a look at de:John Barnett Humphreys. We have no information about the birthday, the live after return to England and the death of him. Thank you for help. --Beaverbear (talk) 18:54, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Charles Fryatt

Hopefully this is the right section. :) The problem with Charles Fryatt is that when the article was created it copied the contents of , which includes contents by two different writers from two different sources, neither of which would appear to be pd. The situation was discovered this morning, evidently, and listed at Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems/2009 December 9 by User:Jackyd101, who also noted the issue at Main Page/Errors. Evidently, the DYK hook was already on the front page at that time. User:Materialscientist said he would "try to fix that article in a moment" in response to the Main Page/Errors report, but I can't see that he did anything? He's a busy fellow, and nothing pops in his edit summaries. --Moonriddengirl 16:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I understand the panic. I'd have felt the same way, I'm sure. :) I'm still a bit confused and kind of alarmed about how all of this went down. As far as I can tell, nothing was done to delink that copyvio from the front page even though an administrator was notified of it and acknowledged that notification hours before the DYK update. Obviously, this is no fault of yours (and I've have been pretty bummed to lose a DYK myself because somebody else violated copyright), but that doesn't shine a good light on the project--admins ignoring copyvios. I think I need to bring this up at DYK. :/ --Moonriddengirl 17:05, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh, yes, the copyvio was nothing to do with you. I'm just shocked that somebody pointed it out and the complaint was archived without action. That was nothing to do with you, either. :) --Moonriddengirl 17:10, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Just FYI, I've raised the matter here. --Moonriddengirl 17:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

←Wow! I'll say. :D Would you like me to go ahead and process it (being still an uninvolved admin and all)? Even if we get permission for the earlier text, we can just restore it under, since this is scads better. --Moonriddengirl 21:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

That's the main reason that I would do it, but, no, I don't think it would be a problem for you to do it yourself. It doesn't technically qualify for G12, since it doesn't meet the criteria. Generally, we'd keep it listed for a week at CP and then delete it under that criteria in the pull-down menu. But when a new article is written to replace an old one, I will usually delete the first under G6, with a note of explanation something like: "Copyright violation foundational. New article written to replace." (Only usually I'm sure I'm not that long-winded.) --Moonriddengirl 22:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Henry Allingham

Ah yes - much much better that way round - wish I'd thought of that! Thanks and best wishes, DBaK (talk) 10:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Buglism!

Ha! You're quite right, I did mean to do something about that: thanks for the reminder. But please don't hold your breath - an honest answer to your question would be something like: "paining me from time to time, but unlikely to prove fatal, thank you." With all good wishes, DBaK (talk) 18:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Danielle Campbell

See my comments at WP:AN. I've never heard of her either, until tonight, but there was an AfD just last month to not allow an article on her. The editor is edit warring to keep creating the article, even though it's been salted. Woogee (talk) 07:05, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

They've been indef blocked for repeatedly creating the article. Woogee (talk) 07:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Sarah Carr

Article looks good so far. I agree with you the old page needed to be moved now we have more than one notable Sarah Carr. TheRetroGuy (talk) 20:14, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

List of people from Doncaster

Re your recent edit to the list, in what way was my edit Vandalism? What objection do you have to the only civilian female outright winner of the George Cross appearing on this list. Barbara Jane Harrison completed her schooling in Doncaster and began her short working life there too. Mjroots (talk) 18:57, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

No objection at all! It would seem that i reverted one revision to far when removing these vandalism edits, catching Barbara Jane Harrison as collateral damage. Quite naturally i have reinstated her to her proper place on this list, which should nor be free of bogus and vandalism entries as well. Excirial 19:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll put my administrative sledgehammer back in its box then. . Mjroots (talk) 19:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

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Geograph

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I've also upload a lot using my regular account:

• http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Gallery.php?wikifam=commons.wikimedia.org&img_user_text=Edward

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HMS Archer (D78)

Thanks for your message on my talk page . My memory of image uploads from four years ago is more than a little hazy, but I will try to help as best I can. Searches at Haze Gray and the Naval Historical Center turned up nothing quite like the photo in question, but I think I found it at NavSource . The image there has "IWM" listed for "Contributed By And/Or Copyright." Today I presume that stands for the Imperial War Museum, but back in 2005 I probably did not know and just assumed it fell under the "Or Images Believed To Be In The Public Domain" listed on the site's copyright information page . However four years later (and with a significantly better understanding of WP:IUP), I recognize that is not a good assumption to make. I also tried searching the Imperial War Museum web site, but while I found a similar photo , I could not find this image.

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Places

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Bradford City Hall

Hi. Thanks for your question. I'm ashamed to say I've never been to Bradford City Hall, even though I wrote the article on it. I'd love to go. I did speak to a local journo who said that it was OK to take photos in there, though. (Some town halls are a bit weird about photos; no-one has told them about panoramafreiheit.) Anyway, what I could do for you is to phone Bradford Council tomorrow and if I'm lucky I'll get some bored employee who would just love to leave their desk and look at the windows. People never look at anything, and you can bet your life someone is working beneath your window day in, day out, and hasn't noticed it. If I forget, keep reminding me until I do it. It would be a fun job to go and photograph it. I need to do a winter photo of Bradford Industrial Museum, anyway - you can't see the jolly thing for trees in summer.--Storye book (talk) 21:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Update: I rang Bradford City Hall, and they had not heard of any such memorial window. Someone kindly investigated for me, and they rang back today and said that it's a mistake, and there is no architectural feature such as a memorial window dedicated to this lady. There is a movable installation within the building, incorporating a display dedicated to her and to other local heroes. I'm told that this is in a public place and that I can visit it. I shall photograph that for you when I can - hopefully during the next couple of weeks - but I'm sorry there is no window to photograph. I guess that there is a slight possibility that there may be a memorial window in a church somewhere, and that could explain the error, but I don't know how to investigate that.--Storye book (talk) 11:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I've just heard that I may be able to visit the City Hall tomorrow. I'll see what I can do.--Storye book (talk) 12:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Update: Just letting you know that because Coronation Street is filming in the building for the next two weeks, it will not be permissible for me to get into the building to see the display which includes B.J. Harrison. The staff have tried to fix it for me today, but cannot. I'll try to do it in two or three weeks' time, though. If I appear to be delaying or forgetting, please kindly give me a reminder. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 10:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Churches in Friesland

I’am pretty sure they all are but the website is kinda slow and searching seems difficult somehow on my pc. So I won’t be adding the numbers.(at least for now). Pindanl (talk) 15:13, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Tudeley and treacle

Hi there.

The problem with the treacle mine entry is that although it is amusing it does not add much to the general content of the page.

If you were to expand the Tudeley article to include a lot more information about the place, and then add your (quite amusing) treacle mine ref for good measure I would have no problem.

But when the article is just 120-odd words in length, to devote 10% of them to treacle mines seems disproportionate to me.

Best wishes

TT20 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tishtosh20 (talk • contribs) 15:12, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Hamilton Road Cemetery

Hiya,

No, I didn't..what a time to be on holiday and not see the 'frickin' article on BBC! Thankfully they've posted the piece on the web. As far as I know, they think, with some justification, that it's a D017, but there doesn't appear to be a definite identification of it being THE D017 in my article, although the circumstantial evidence seems strong. Being local, I'm hoping to talk to the guys featured and see if I can find out some specifics. I'll pass on what I can but as this would constitute original research, I guess I can only point interested readers to other external content like the BBC Kent page :-( Bummer! Kbaughan1 (talk) 22:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Railways

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Hawkhurst branch

I think it's definitely possible. I've got enough material to produce a well-referenced article, the only question mark is over images. I'll draw up a wishlist on the article's talk page. Lamberhurst (talk) 15:33, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar, I've still got some refs to add in from Hart and also check if there are any interesting magazine articles which could be used. Lamberhurst (talk) 21:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Well done on the very thorough job you've done cleaning up the text. I've had a look for the Railway Modeller articles and came across this useful page . Do we need to include track plans in the article given that there's already a pretty comprehensive routemap? I'll try and get hold of a copy of the Railway Magazine article. Lamberhurst (talk) 08:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I've added the ref requested. The track plans look a lot better than I had imagined possible using the RDTs, but I wonder if it's not overloading the article too much to go into any more detail about the stations? Lamberhurst (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

The system of referencing was introduced to me by User:Redrose64 and I've asked him to look into your question. He may also be able to help us get the article into FA shape which I think is definitely achievable before June 2011. By the way, I'm not sure if you noticed but the original Cranbrook and Paddock Wood Railway article seems to have been started by the curator of the Col. Stephens museum. I think I might drop him a line to see if he has any out-of-copyright material that we might use here. Lamberhurst (talk) 09:07, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Route map

Please look at this: User:Sameboat/x4. I use the {{bs5-sc}} ({{BS5-startCollapsible}}) to hide the features except for stations and branchings. Because using the in-map collapsible section will increase 1 more row for the route map, it is justifiable if there're enough materials to be hidden rather than just 1 single section like the siding. Alternatively you may create 2 maps, 1 simplified for including the stations and branching, another 1 for detailed characteristic of the line. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 13:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Cudworth locos

I'm trying to get something together at Talk:Hawkhurst Branch Line regarding your recent edits where loco classes are mentioned. Basically: the Cudworth 118 class 2-4-0 and the SER E class 2-4-0 are one and the same. Unfortunately it takes some WP:OR using Bradley's work on SER locos (2nd ed, at least) to work it out, but: on p.15 we have "E - Cudworth standard 2-4-0s" and by eliminating all non-Cudworth locos, the small (ie non-standard) classes and all non-2-4-0 locos, all that is left is the 118 class (pp. 101-112). --Redrose64 (talk) 14:12, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

following sentence moved from User talk:Redrose64 (Redrose64 (talk) 21:53, 16 January 2010 (UTC))

If you read the James Cudworth article, you'll see that the locos were rebuilt. Is it possible that the E1 class were the rebuilds of the 118 class? Mjroots (talk) 18:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

end of moved section. (I dislike disjoint conversations, and this page is on my watchlist)

I have problems there. I am assuming that the section you mean is the paragraph beginning "By 1855, Cudworth started to introduce more conventional steam locomotives", since that is the only one to mention (a) the 118 class and (b) the word "rebuilt". First, the only reference given for that paragraph is "Nock, O. S. (1961). "VI". The South Eastern and Chatham Railway. London: Ian Allen. pp. p70-79. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); Cite has empty unknown parameters: |coauthors= and |month= (help)" which is somewhat vague. I happen to have a copy (albeit the 1971 paperback reprint), and looking through those ten pages for the classes described, a better citation would be "Nock, O.S. (1971) . "VI: Early Locomotives and Trains". The South Eastern and Chatham Railway. Shepperton: Ian Allan. pp. 71–72. ISBN 0 7110 0268 1.". Second, the only mention of the 118 Class is in the sentence "Fifty three 0-6-0 goods engines were constructed at Ashford Works between 1855 and 1876, the 118 class". This, and the two sentences which follow, are backed up (Nock pp. 71-72) except that Nock does not mention "118 Class". Checking elsewhere in the chapter, he doesn't mention "118 Class" at all. According to Bradley (Bradley, D.L. (1985) . The Locomotive History of the South Eastern Railway (2nd ed.). London: RCTS. p. 91. ISBN 0 901115 48 7. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)) the 53 goods engines were known as the "Standard Goods", and no. 118 is not listed in the class summary (Bradley p. 98). Turning now to the sentence "In 1857, Cudworth introduced a class of 2-4-0s" and the three which follow it; these are all backed up (Nock p. 72), but it is these engines which Bradley describes both as the "118 Class" (Bradley pp. 101,103) and also as the "standard 2-4-0s" (Bradley p. 103) except that he separates off the first six from E.B. Wilson as a distinct class (Bradley pp. 99-100), giving 68 from Ashford and 42 from contractors - and no. 118 is one of the Ashford engines. Now, to the letter or letter/digit class codes. These are listed as introduced by Stirling in September 1879 (Bradley p. 15), where we find the "Standard Goods" as the I class, the E.B. Wilson 2-4-0s as the D class, and the Cudworth standard 2-4-0s as the E class. Bradley rarely uses these class codes in his text, until Stirling's own classes are mentioned, and does not do so at all for the three classes in question. Nock similarly ignores these codes until dealing with Stirling's classes. I have never come across E1 used to describe anything in that part of the world other than Maunsell's 1919-20 rebuilds of the Wainwright E class 4-4-0. Most of the 118 class were indeed rebuilt, some twice (Bradley pp. 105-106), but the use of the suffix "1" to a Stirling class letter does not seem to come up until the SECR period (B1 rebuilt from B by Wainwright, F1 from F, etc.). --Redrose64 (talk) 21:53, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, I see where I've gone wrong (I think). the 59 and 118 class were both 2-4-0s. I don't have access to Bradley so perhaps you can expand the article a bit. What class were the 0-4-4s that Cudworth introduced? Mjroots (talk) 06:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I've made a few tweaks to the James Cudworth article. Mjroots (talk) 06:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear, more confusion. The 59 class were the three 0-6-0s built at Ashford in 1879, to Mansell's design although incorporating features of Cudworth's standard goods; Stirling allotted them N class (the standard goods were I class). Principal diffs included the driving wheels (5'0" instead of 4'10") and cylinders (17"x24" instead of 16"x24"). (Bradley pp. 156-157)

There were several designs of 2-4-0 in the Cudworth period, and Bradley divides them into seven classes, six being small in number.

The 0-4-4Ts on the SER fell neatly into three classes:

• the Cudworth "235 class" (J class) well tanks, 7 locos built 1866 by Brassey & Co; (Bradley pp. 122-123)
• the Mansell "Gunboats" (M class) side tanks, 9 built Ashford 1877-8; (Bradley pp. 134-136)
• the Stirling Q class side tanks, 118 built (48 by Ashford; 60 by Neilson, Reid; 10 by Sharp, Stewart) 1881-1897 (Bradley pp. 160-171). Rebuilds of these with H class boilers by Wainwright or Maunsell were Q1 class.

Re the Cudworth article: puzzled by your title for chapter VI - it's called "Early Locomotives and Trains" in mine, in which it's chapter X that is called "South Eastern & Chatham" (and not "The South East and Chatham Railway" as you put); removal of the mention of the 118 class is good; the table is a start: I'll see what can be added directly, rather than putting more notes here. Bear in mind that my Bradley page numbers will be (as they are above) those of the second edition, which is much expanded from the first.

It's a good idea to get yourself a copy. Looking around second-hand railway book sellers, the first edition is far easier to obtain - I think because the second is always snapped up by those who already have a first, who then dispose of the shorter first ed. Try Geoff Gamble Books in Crawley. I've picked up some real good stuff from them. They'll be at Leatherhead model railway show, 26-27 February 2010. Make sure you ask for "The Locomotive History of the South Eastern Railway, second edition, by D.L. Bradley", because he wrote eleven books covering the SR's locos - Bruce Smetham (who took over Geoff Gamble Books after the death of the founder) will know exactly what you mean, given that sentence. Altogether, Bradley's books in this series were: one each for the SER, LCDR, SECR (1960-1963); two for the LSWR (1965-7); three for the LBSCR (1969-74); two for the SR post grouping classes (1975-6); and one for the Isle of Wight (1982). The SER, LCDR & SECR books all went to a second edition in 1979-1985 (see LCDR R1 class#References for details), so these are far commoner than the others. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:39, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I've corrected the chapter title in the ref. Must've still be half-asleep when I did that! Mjroots (talk) 16:00, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Re Cudworth's unusual middle name "I'Anson". I've been poking around and have found this website, where we find that it seems to have variant spellings including "Ianson"; see this page. In the same site I have found this page - it doesn't mention our James Cudworth; but note the word "Ashford" in the heading (which suggests a family connection to that town), and much later on, the paragraph beginning "Mary, the sole surviving daughter of William and Mary Ianson, married William Cudworth, grocer and druggist, of Darlington". It's both the right town and the right religion; so do you have anything that gives the names of James I'Anson Cudworth's parents? Would they be William Cudworth and Mary I'Anson by any chance? --Redrose64 (talk) 21:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Bingo! See James Cudworth#Early life. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:58, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Regarding your text "2-4-0s for the Hastings Line. These engines were known as the 59 class."; all that ref. 8 says is "Woodlands class Designed by Alfred Kitching in 1848 ... Nos. 58 Woodlands, 59 Hallgarth ... John Kitching claimed that the design was copied by James Cudworth for the 59 class used on SER Hastings trains.". Looking at Bradley p. 88 we have the "Hastings" class, which it says 'appear to have been influenced by the 1848 "Woodland" class long-boiler 2-4-0s of the Stockton & Darlington Railway' Nowhere in Bradley is "59 class" mentioned in connection with these engines, whose numbers were 157-170.

Considering other possible SER locos numbered 59:

• Watkin built an 0-6-0 no. 59 in 1879, which was of his "59 class".
• Right back at the dawn of SER history, there was no no. 59 until 1844. Some 2-2-2s were built by Sharp, Roberts in 1841 for the London & Brighton Railway, one of which was L&B no. 20. On formation of the Brighton, Croydon & Dover Joint Committee in 1844, this loco was renumbered 59; on the dissolution of the joint committee a year later, it passed to the SER but retained its number. (Bradley pp. 35, 37, 39)

Now, we have "No. 59 which had been rebuilt as a 2-4-0 in 1855" (Bradley p. 50) and we also find that several Sharps 2-2-2s, including no. 59, had been rebuilt as 2-4-0s by Cudworth at around the same time (Bradley pp. 38-39); but none of these rebuilds are described as "59 class". No. 59 itself was withdrawn in 1879, which leaves no space in between the old L&B engine and the Watkin 0-6-0 in which to put a Cudworth 2-4-0 - unless the 1855 rebuild be the one; but I don't think that a rebuild could produce a copy of an existing design on another railway. However, a new design, such as the "Hastings" class, could well be a copy. I think that the steamindex page has mixed its sources. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, you've got Bradley, so if you think the 59 class is wrong I'll not object to it being changed. The table coud probably do with some wikilinks once all the classes have been sorted out. Mjroots (talk) 14:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK nom

Don't know if you've noticed, but I left a comment at Template talk:Did you know#James Cudworth, because I expanded that part of James Cudworth which is directly related to the DYK sentence. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I've not finished the table of loco classes - at least as far as the section "Cudworth rebuilds of pre-1845 locomotives" is concerned. However, the section "Locomotives built new to Cudworth's order" has all the rows which it should have. I've removed the "under construction" tag, also added notability to the lede, items to the infobox, a succession box at the bottom (see below re Watkin) and reset the paragraph on the coal burning firebox. Here's a composite diff of this morning's work. nb Watkin's name pops up as a redlink in several articles, with almost no consistency - I have seen Alfred Mellor Watkin, Alfred Meller Watkin, Alfred M. Watkin, Alfred Watkin, A.M. Watkin. One of these redirects to Edward Watkin. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:51, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I see that Cudworth is now at Template:Did you know/Queue#Prep area 2 .5Bedit.5D. Any idea of typical timescales by which time any tweaks to the article must be completed? --Redrose64 (talk) 14:45, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I have the 1971 reprint, which has a SBN (on the page opposite the contents page). Converting a SBN to an ISBN is dead simple - just stick a "0" at the start. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:01, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

dyk hook suggestion

Hi, I am just wondering if you noticed the discussion regarding your dyk hook here. You may want to comment. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 01:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of James Cudworth

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Is Kings Ferry North Halt the same as Swale North Halt?

You asked this question on my talk page on 18 Nov 2009, and I replied there using info from the only books I have, which suggested that the answer is no. However, User Lamberhurst might have better information in his copy of Colonel Cobbs Atlas.

More recently you stated this again on the talk page for Closed stations Kent, and so far no-one has replied there.

What source of information suggests to you that Kings Ferry North Halt the same as Swale North Halt?

Efficacy (talk) 22:54, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to add the information that I have; I shall do so at Template talk:Closed stations Kent. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I've replied on the template's talk page. Mjroots (talk) 06:37, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Notability (railway incidents)

Just a note to say that whilst I'm battering the guideline, and indeed the idea of the guideline, I'm absolutely not having a go at you, and accept fully that your intentions are the best. Please don't be discouraged. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:52, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Milk Tanks

Milk tanks are a peculiar case. They fall into that grey area of rolling stock categorisation which is neither passenger nor freight, and is described in many books as "non-passenger carrying coaching stock" or NPCCS, being stock which doesn't carry passengers, yet is permitted (by reason of wheelbase, brakes, etc.) to run in passenger trains. On annual returns made by railway companies to the Board of Trade, milk tanks were included under the heading "open carriage trucks". This, I believe, stems from around 1927, when the railways started to switch from churns to tanks for the carriage of milk. Despite them being essentially inseparable, for many years (right down to the end of milk transport by rail in the early 1980s I think) the rail chassis was owned by the railway, and the tank itself by the dairy. Thus, since the railway was not responsible for the tank, it saw no reason for a special classification - so they remained under the "open carriage truck" heading. Details of SR no. 4430 (Diagram 3157, HOO no. 768, Lancing September 1933), which carried a UD tank, may be found in

• Gould, David (1992). "Chapter Nine: Milk Tanks". Southern Railway Passenger Vans. Headington: The Oakwood Press. pp. 99, 105, 114, 115. ISBN 0 85361 428 8. X50.

which contains the interesting text

No. 4430 was obtained by the Bluebell railway in August 1981 following its withdrawal in 1980. The actual tank was donated by St. Ivel, but the underframe, being BR property, had to be bought by the Bluebell!

So, I don't really agree with your recent changes. Sorry. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:09, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Wagons may only run in passenger trains if they meet certain specifications. Most apparent "wagons" used in passenger trains were actually NPCCS, such as fish vans, fresh meat vans and parcels vans - the common factor being that the items that they carried were penalised by delays, either because they were perishable, or because there was a promised delivery time. This meant that they needed to be conveyed as quickly as possible, so virtually all suitable vehicles were built to passenger train requirements. Since milk tanks carried perishable goods, they are NPCCS and not freight stock. Petrol tanks on the other hand, carried materials which were non-perishable, did not attract a penalty if delayed; and because of the inherent dangers, were expressly forbidden from being formed in passenger trains. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:56, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

That looks better, thanks --Redrose64 (talk) 19:46, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Invicta

Yes, there are plans but I can't find a reference for the Transport Trust gifting the locomotive to Whitstable museum (which makes no sense, as it would be to Canterbury City Council, owners of the museum).

But for the moving to Whitstable museum, the following reference (just a few days old). Whitstable Gazette, Page 4, March 25:

City council spokesman Steve James said: "Invicta is at Museum of Canterbury and it is council policy for it to go to Whitstable Museum when space is made available as part of the development."

Nothing to show ownership has been transferred from the Transport Trust, though.

Thanks GTD 15:34, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Signal Icons

You posted about some railway image requests, so I'm here to post. I'm not exactly sure from your description if this is correct, so please tell me where it can be improved:

Equally, when you say you want it to be rotated 180 degrees, does that mean you want to have the signal upside down on the opposite side, or simply reflected, so that it is still facing upwards, but inwards, on the other side?

NikNaks93 (talk) 10:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

How's that? I've made it look a little more 3D, as well. NikNaks93 (talk) 11:46, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, now that I know what it's being used for, I suggest a change in tack. It is very difficult to render a thin shape like the signal on such a small scale, so instead, it may make more sense to simply use the arm on the appropriate size. I have mocked up what this would look like on the other filespace you set aside in your request (I know it's on the wrong side, but I'm doing it for comparison), and I think it works quite well. However, you're the expert here, so if you feel it will create confusion, I'm happy to hear other suggestions.

I don't want to clog up your talk page with more images, so I've just edited the example diagram on my talk page. You can see the signal variation above the new alternative arm-only one. NikNaks93 (talk) 13:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Further to that, I've put up another alternative with a much fatter signal. NikNaks93 (talk) 13:21, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm still concerned with how difficult it is to tell what it is on such a small scale, and something more stylised would be best, to fit with the existing plans. However, if you feel it's alright, we'll move on. I've replaced the third alternative file with the new one. NikNaks93 (talk) 14:41, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

RE: Icon request 0417

Since I received your msg just before I go to sleep. I give you 1 more option, use the t (tunneled) set  (tCONTl),  (tSTR) to represent the 3rd gauge length. This can help the color-blind reader to distinguish different gauges in the map. If you still think the green CONT set is irreplaceable, let me know which color you exactly need or offer the icons of that same color. I will create them tomorrow. You're welcome. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 16:49, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I have uploaded the rest of the green CONT set  (CONTf green). Most of the other icons of set green were originally created / altered by Russian users for Russian metro maps. It's quite complete so you have the thickened choice for your map. commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set green. But there's one more concern. Your map includes the info of milage but not applying them in the 4th text column, though I can see that you don't prefer it to be right-aligned. There's a simple trick to line them left-aligned on the right hand side tidily like in the table. See Wikipedia_talk:RDT#Just another trick for the BS row templates (no new parameter involved). Happy editing. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 12:37, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Rivers

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River Len

Mike I feel quite pleased with myself! I had found the relatively new Geobox|rivers at River Trent and investigated. You will now see the result at this article (I took an easy one first!). There may well be other information - I couldn't work out the coordinates, and in any case a river covers more than one; couldn't find the exact length; and dunno if there is anywhere to be able to get flow rates etc. You may well be able to add more tributaries - I took the ones you had alraedy mentioned under the mills. None of the blanks come out until you give some information. I had also discovered the exact location of the source - a historical document on the Medway; I'm sure you also know more about its course, although perhaps that isn't too important. Peter Peter Shearan (talk) 21:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Mill symbols

As you see I have put two new symbols into your sandbox article. Just a quick fix. Using mills in this way is quite an extension. Come September we need to define what symbols we need- mills with weirs for example, millponds goits. I have been visiting the Dark Peak and realise how much more important water engineering was in the 1780s and the growth of the Cotton Industry. Still I am taking a break now. ClemRutter (talk) 08:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I have been talking with guys at WP:RIVERS and trying to work out what icon system to recommend. In a nutshell, the cyan worms are out, rivers are dark blue unless you need to differentiate- then non-navigable are light blue and navigable are darkblue. but I am still working on it. You have source at the top. River Len, Kent seems to be correct. See also Manchester Ship Canal for an upside down example. Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Rivers#Route diagrams gives the discussion.--ClemRutter (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Cadeau

fr:Fichier:LeteaMill.jpg is heel mooi! --ClemRutter (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Medway diagram

This takes a little thought. I like diagrams- very useful for showing mill locations- but there is a convention on canals that navigable should be darkblue and non navigable light blue. The tails as steams meet the river seem clunky. I have been concerned about the representation of reservoirs for some time- is a reservoir navigable or not- how do you show the dam bypass channel. In the simple case: a truncated salami would do- but they often are constructed at the confluence of several rivers. A lot of icons need some thought- and that will take a little time- I will put it on the list. (Some mills are on the wrong bank but that is minor). --ClemRutter (talk) 11:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I have put in far too many hours playing with the diagram on my talk page. Please look over- and see if there is anything to add- you will need to proof read the position of the mills relative to the new locks, and the addition of the Beult and the two mouths of the Teise. I have added some new icons to Template:Waterways legend particularly putting curved dams on reservoirs. --ClemRutter (talk) 19:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

To be positive: it is getting there. A few of your changes I don"t like. A river is a hydrographical item, as well as cultural one. The first uncollapsed diagram needs to stand in its own right, and give the reader basic infomation about its course. The collapsed bits need to show the twidddly bits, that the Teise at Yalding has bifurcated, and where mills were situated. When the course is a navigation we need info on the locks. Background colour needs to show whether the river is tidal, a navigation, or non-navigable. The section names are taken from the NRA, and are used by the waterways community- I don't think Lower Mid Upper is really informative. The whole diagram (uncollapsed) needs to be complete and informative in itself. I think that we should do another round of rollbacks and improvement then wrap it in a template and ask the WP:RIVERS for comment on any points where policy decisions need to be made. I would like to use it as a model to be attached to their policy page. I then want to code up the River Etherow, Irk, Irwell, Medlock, Goyt can't you just smell the cotton. --ClemRutter (talk) 13:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, width is critical when using collapsable box- expand all the section to see it isn't broken by the change. Titles a lot better- I took one look and thought- I knew I was about to to do that-- but I can't remember having done it. These wretched dock icons look awful- I am going to redo them- I cant see why a narrow dock should be five times wider than the river. I am more concerned about the length if the diagram, then allowing the diagram to be included in Kent pages that make a mention to the Medway. Then into Infoboxes.I am uploading images along the commons:Portland Basin- Ashton Canal at the moment.--ClemRutter (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you know this one? Template:Medway Navigation--ClemRutter (talk) 13:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

v t e River Medway
Legend
00.0 Source TQ 334 359 51°06′25″N 0°05′37″W / 51.10694°N 0.09361°W / 51.10694; -0.09361 00.0 Upper Reaches  B2028  Fen Place Mill  B2110  Bluebell Railway West Hoathly Stream Weir Wood Reservoir Mill Place Foundry East Grinstead Stream Brambletye Mill  A22  Three Bridges to Tunbridge Wells Central Line Tablehurst Mill Parrock Forge Hartfield Iron Mill  B2026  Hartfield Stream Warren Brook Waterdown Forest Stream Groombridge Stream Ashurst Mill  A264  Oxted Line Kent Water Ashurst Furnace Chafford Mills  B2188  Poundbridge Stream Barden Mill Stream Pound Mill 00.0 River Eden to Leigh River Eden  B2176  Ensfield Mill Ensfield Road Limit of navigation Redhill to Tonbridge Line  A21  Ramhurst Mill Powder Mills 00.0 Leigh to Yalding South Eastern Main Line Tonbridge Tonbridge High Street  B2260  28 Town Lock Town Mill Cannon Lane  A26  Southborough Bourne 25.6 Eldridge Lock 24 Porters Lock Hartlake Road 22 East Lock Tudeley Brook Pen Stream 20.8 Oak Weir Lock River Bourne Sluice Weir Lock Branbridges Mill Branbridges  A228  Medway Valley Line 00.0 Yalding to Allington Lock Site of Stoneham Lock River Teise Greater Teise Sluice Twyford Bridge  B2162  Lesser Teise River Beult Hampstead Mill Hamptons Bridge  B2162  15.3 Hampstead Lock Breden's Boatyard Hampstead Marina Hampstead Lane Canal Wateringbury Stream Wateringbury Bridge West Farleigh Stream 10.4 Teston Lock Teston Bridge  B2163  Barming Bridge East Farleigh Bridge 7.5 Farleigh Lock Line to Tovil Goods station Loose Stream River Len  A20   A20  Maidstone Maidstone East Line Boxley Stream Allington Castle 00.0 Allington Lock to Rochester Allington Lock  M20  Cossington Stream Aylesford Bridge East Malling Stream Friars Mill Addington Brook Holborough Brook Borstal Mill Cuxton Mill High Speed 1  M2  Priory Mill Strood Tide Mill Rochester Rochester Bridge  A2  Chatham Main Line Strood, Thames and Medway Canal Chatham Chatham Tide Mill Chatham Dockyard Medway Tunnel  A289  Gillingham The Swale Isle of Sheppey Thames Estuary   TQ 903 758

Well it is certainly ready to be wrapped in a template- so I have. We can do further editing there {{River Medway map}}. I did do one change as the Tidal estuary is downstream from Rochester.

True. There is a limit to the sort of ship you can drive under Rochester Bridge. I think the commissioner of HM Dockyard would agree with me. The London Stone is at Upnor, which is/was the upstream limit of the Port of London- but Rochester is miles from the Swale or Thames. This wrretched river never does things simply!--ClemRutter (talk) 08:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Rivers

I have been putting a bit of input into Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Rivers‎; that may interest you. Later tonight I will be posting some of the changes. --ClemRutter (talk) 17:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:River Waveney map

Hi. I notice you have updated the River Waveney map, but was a little surprised to see that it now runs from south to north. One of the problems of the transposition is that several of the adjoining rivers are now shown on the wrong side. Oulton Broad should be on the other side, as should the River Yare, and the Haddiscoe cut is no longer clearly labelled. I was going to try to sort it out but am a bit short of time at the moment. Bob1960evens (talk) 18:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I am back from holiday now, and have moved Oulton Broad, Haddiscoe Cut and the River Bure back to where they should be, corrected the direction of the locks, and produced a windmill symbol for the windmills. However, I have no sources for which side of the river the windmills should be on, and as the river and Haddiscoe Cut have now been transposed, wondered if you could just check them. Thanks. Bob1960evens (talk) 18:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Ships

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Barque Alf

Hello Mjroots

Thank you for making your valuable contributions to the article Barque Alf and for the nomination to appear on the Main Page as part of Misplaced Pages:Did you know. I will watch with interest for any developments. I was impressed with the inclusion of the image you found of the Alf, well done!. I agree that the article would probable be better named Alf (barque).

 stavros1  ♣  15:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

SS Ragnhild

I've added a response to your comment on my talk page. FerdinandFrog (talk) 13:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

SS Avondale Park

Thanks for the heads up. I have reviewed your nomination. Please have a look. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 20:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Park Ships

Thanks for the invitation to participate in the ships list project. However, I must decline. First, my interests are so scattershot, I would not stay focused long enough to see it through, I'm afraid. I tend to dabble, not specialize. I do hope my work on the Park Ships was adequate, however. That was my first foray into the naval field where there are clearly many experts (such as yourself) and much interest. Second - my only source at the moment is a couple of Web sites which other users have thoroughly slammed. Don't want to go there ... Some day maybe I'll look up Syd Heal's book and build up the Parks Ship article. Best wished and thanks for your help with the article. Thanks also for your nice piece on the Avondale Park, BTW.I had never see the Lloyd's material before. Great stuff! Verne Equinox (talk) 23:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

ROKS Cheonan (PCC-772)

I find your implications in this matter offensive. Implying that I cannot count (or perhaps that I cannot read) is hardly the way one user should treat another, much less one admin should treat another. The fact that one person tagged it for merge and that I did the merge means that at least two users supported it, not zero. Besides the discussions included a number of conditional supports as well as some opposes. But most importantly both articles were out-of-date, poorly written and, at some points, wrong. Merging them was the best thing to do for the sake of the encyclopedia. The fact that it was about to be linked from the main page made the matter an even higher priority. I notice and am disappointed that you have restored the article to the same poor condition it was in, without updating it. Rmhermen (talk) 13:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Polar Chief

Was this ship converted into a dummy BB because Audacious had been sunk? —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 00:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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