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DYK criteria
How to list a new nomination
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Candidate entries
Articles created/expanded on May 6
Michael C. Moynihan
- ... that before becoming senior editor at Reason magazine, Michael C. Moynihan was a fellow at the free-market think tank Timbro?
5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 19:15, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Danny Kushlick
- ... that Danny Kushlick's manifesto for the 2010 UK general election included the statement that "the most important special relationship isn't with the US, but with your mum"?
Created by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 18:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Irma Jackson
- ... that Capitol Records initially refused to release Merle Haggard's song "Irma Jackson" because they felt it would hurt Haggard's image?
Created by Stonemason89 (talk). Nominated by Stonemason89 (talk) at 17:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Turman (book)
- ... that in preparation for writing the pulitzer prize winning biography Truman, David McCullough lived in Truman's hometown Independence, Missouri for awhile?
Created by Remember (talk). Self nom at 16:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- As an alternative hook, could try...that David McCullough worked on the pulitzer prize winning biography Truman for ten years? Remember (talk) 16:51, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Albert B. Wohlsen, Jr.
- ... that Albert B. Wohlsen, Jr. was only into a few weeks of his tenure as mayor of Lancaster, Pennsylvania when he had to deal with fallout from the Three Mile Island accident?
5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 16:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Sarcosphaera
- ... that a specimen of the bioaccumulator fungus Sarcosphaera coronaria was found to contain the highest concentration of arsenic ever reported in a mushroom?
5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 15:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Thomsons Lake
- ... that the sediments at Thomsons Lake are 30-40,000 years old, the oldest found in Western Australia?
Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 14:11, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Mount Tabor Methodist Episcopal Church (West Liberty, Ohio)
- ... that the cemetery at the former Mount Tabor Methodist Episcopal Church (pictured) near West Liberty, Ohio includes graves of veterans of both the American Revolutionary War and World War II?
5x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 13:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 "...that Simon Kenton attended a camp meeting at the former Mount Tabor Methodist Episcopal Church (pictured) near West Liberty, Ohio?"
- I counted approximately 2,700 characters before nomination, not including the long quotation. Nyttend (talk) 13:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
German destroyer Z44
- ... that the German destroyer Z44 was badly damaged in an air raid and had to be later scrapped before she was even commissioned into the Kriegsmarine?
Created by White Shadows (talk). Nominated by White Shadows (talk) at 10:36, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Length, date, and hook check out; however, all of the sources are from what appear to be self-published websites. I'm hesitant to say that there are any reliable sources on this article. Nyttend (talk) 15:08, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- The Design section for this article, and for German destroyer Z35 and German destroyer Z43 (also up for DYK nomination below) are all the same, even down to the misspelling of "meant" in the first line. I'm not sure a DYK can be claimed for a number of different articles all using the same text, even if the (very short) lead section of each article is tailored to the ship? In addition, I would say that this design section is relevant to the class of ship and should be captured in an article for the ship class, rather than being repeated in every single individual ship article. Nick Ottery (talk) 15:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Sniff. Take them out of the queue. Buggie111 (talk) 17:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Molecular solid
- ... that some solids can reversibly transform between the covalent and molecular forms?
- Comment: The hook is elaborated in section "Structure and composition" on example of phosphorus. Ref.3,4 say that white P is molecular solid and red is covalent one; ref.7 says how they can be interconverted. There are plenty of other available refs for this basic fact, but they are either off-line or/and not saying all words in one phrase.
5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Nominated by Materialscientist (talk) at 09:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Harry Stiteler
- ... that Texas A&M football coach Harry Stiteler resigned in 1951 after admitting he had misrepresented the facts about being beaten by a stranger near a Houston hotel?
5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 03:22, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Andrei Alexandrovich Popov
- ... that Russian Rear-Admiral Andrei Alexandrovich Popov (pictured) designed two circular battleships?
Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 00:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Slight phrasing tweak. All good. Bizzare ships! - The Bushranger Return fire 01:22, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- comment. The article omits Popov's less bizarre designs (he also supervised construction of the cruiser fleet, part of The Great Game). Curiously, the the real cause for building the ugly sisters was gone before they were laid down but they still proceeded with building - Russian bureaucracy works in mysterious ways. NVO (talk) 07:39, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 5
Lynfeld
- ... that the farmhouse (pictured) at Lynfeld in Washington, New York is built in a rough "C" shape, an unusual configuration for an Italianate-style building?
- ALT1:... that one of the owners of Lynfeld (main house, pictured) in Washington, New York, introduced new breeds of pigs, sheep, horses and cows to the Hudson Valley?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 16:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Crispin Black
- ... that BBC terrorism consultant Crispin Black survived the bombing of RFA Sir Galahad (pictured) during the Falklands War?
Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Nominated by Moonraker2 (talk) at 23:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Tweaked the hook (ships are never "the name"), things check out, good to go. - The Bushranger Return fire 00:09, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
HMS Tynedale (L96)
- ... that HMS Tynedale, a destroyer of the Royal Navy during World War II, encountered and damaged a U-boat that it was sank by a year later?
Created by LGF1992UK (talk). Nominated by LGF1992UK (talk) at 23:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Suggested ALT1: "... that HMS Tynedale, a destroyer of the Royal Navy, attacked and damaged a U-boat in 1942 that would sink her a year later?" - The Bushranger Return fire 00:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Fine by me, it's syntactically a bit less messy. LGF1992UK (talk) 01:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- It's all good then! - The Bushranger Return fire 02:02, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Fine by me, it's syntactically a bit less messy. LGF1992UK (talk) 01:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Suggested ALT1: "... that HMS Tynedale, a destroyer of the Royal Navy, attacked and damaged a U-boat in 1942 that would sink her a year later?" - The Bushranger Return fire 00:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Michael Fingleton
- ... that retired banker Michael Fingleton received & kept a €1m bonus in 2008, despite his Irish Nationwide Building Society posting losses of €2.5bn in 2009, which wiped out all profits made by the society?
Created by GainLine (talk). Nominated by GainLine (talk) at 21:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Sir Henry Firebrace
- ... that one of Sir Henry Firebrace's escape plans for Charles I of England failed when the king got stuck in a window frame?
Created by Rodhullandemu (talk). Self nom at 21:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Note: one of the sources requires login or a UK library card; if WP:AGF fails on this, I will gladly provide the number of my own library card (via email) for verification. Rodhullandemu 21:03, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Date and length check out, hook is well described and explained in article, and offline sources are accepted in good faith. To Rodhullandemu - one good way of dealing with offline sources is to quote the relevant sentences from them in the citation using the |quote= field; that way other editors can immediately see the original text. - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Ludlow Griscom Award
- ... that Kenn Kaufman was the youngest person ever to win birding's highest honor, the Ludlow Griscom Award?
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 20:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 01:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Deandra Dottin
- ... that Deandra Dottin scored the first century in a women's Twenty20 International, making 112 not out in the opening match of the 2010 ICC Women's World Twenty20?
5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 19:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
List of commanding officers of the USS Oklahoma (BB 37)
- ... that the last commander of the USS Oklahoma held that position for 34 minutes?
Created by Buggie111 (talk). Nominated by Buggie111 (talk) at 19:16, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Article uses bare URLs in its references, requires significant copy editing, and (most troubling) the timeline in the article does not match the hook fact. Setting aside that the text said "forty minutes" until I changed it to say "thirty-six minutes" to match the times specified, the following sentence refutes that timeline. If this ("Eight minutes after the attack started at 7:55 AM Kenworthy gave the command to abandon ship, doing so himself a minute later.") is true then he abandoned ship at 8:04am, not 8:06am, and the command was just 34 minutes. However, now I'm curious what the cited book says and would like to review the source rather than have this quietly corrected and passed along to the front page. - Dravecky (talk) 23:27, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- If you mean copyediting in terms of double captialization (i.e.: MAy,), than I'm fine. I had added the cpasizing time, not the time that the call was passed. Sorry. And I'll fix the bare refs. Buggie111 (talk) 00:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- I mean copyediting like repeatedly correcting "Oklkahoma", "beofre", "preperation", "excersies" plus miscapitalizations as "oklahoma", "bristol", and so many more. Also, this is about a US Navy vessel and thus should use US spelling ("defense" instead of "defence", for example). I've just spent a few minutes scrubbing out the more egregious spelling and other errors but I'm not sure what "eogth Naval Governor" should really be nor have I fixed the grammar. I'm not pushing for FA-quality prose here, but certain minimum standards must apply. Also, the article is not in any categories. As I'm unsure what categories would apply to this article, I've tagged it {{uncat}} which I'm sure you can easily remedy.- Dravecky (talk) 03:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Also, please take a look at WP:MOSSHIP for how to format the names of naval vessels. - Dravecky (talk) 03:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Gia Lam Airport
- ... that Hanoi's Gia Lam Airport, a military airfield from which former U.S. Air Force POWs were released during Operation Homecoming, is slated to become a fully functional civilian airport by 2015?
5x expanded by Dragfyre (talk). Self nom at 18:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Good work. I don't suppose a TerraServer aerial image is available? Either way, it's good to go. - The Bushranger Return fire 18:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Hmm, there might be an image available, but I don't know how to use TerraServer offhand -- never heard of it. If it's a free source, I'm sure I could look through and see if there is a good aerial shot, as long as someone points me towards uploading instructions (i.e. the correct license to use) too. --dragfyre (talk 19:32, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- TerraServer (which uses a different name now I can't recall off the top of my head) uses U.S. Geological Survey aerial photos, which are public domain. I don't know if it covers areas outside the US though. See Wakulla County Airport for an example of how it's used. :) - The Bushranger Return fire 20:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Hmmm, yeah, doesn't look like it's got coverage outside of the US. Too bad, though, as that would certainly be a boon to the article. I'll keep my eye open to see if I can find anything similar... Thanks! --dragfyre (talk 04:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
List of Lincoln City F.C. seasons
- ... that Lincoln City were the first club to reach 100 seasons in the Football League without ever playing in the top division?
- Comment: Expansion and reformat of existing list which had tables but no prose.
5x expanded by Struway2 (talk). Self nom at 15:47, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
D. Iacobescu
- ... that several works by Romanian Symbolist poet D. Iacobescu, who died shortly after finishing high school, speak about his losing battle with tuberculosis?
Created by Dahn (talk). Nominated by Dahn (talk) at 15:43, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Russell Docker
- ... that British skier Russell Docker has competed at the Winter Paralympics on three occasions after being paralysed in a 1995 accident?
Created by Basement12 (talk). Self nom at 13:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Ricardo Blas, Jr.
- ...
that Ricardo Blas, Jr. surpassed the previous weight record for an Olympic competitor by 44 lb (20 kg) when he competed at the 2008 Summer Olympics?
5x expanded by Canadian Paul (talk). Self nom at 06:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- That hook is a little misleading because it suggests he was a weightlifter. Gatoclass (talk) 07:38, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Ricardo Blas, Jr. surpassed the previous record for the heaviest Olympic competitor by 44 lb (20 kg) when he competed at the 2008 Summer Olympics? Canadian Paul 16:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Verified ALT. Gatoclass (talk) 02:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
William Wingfield (MP)
- ... that William Wingfield was Chief Justice of Brecon Circuit before becoming Master in Chancery?
Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 06:31, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 06:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
German destroyer Z43
- ... that the German destroyer Z43 escorted the German pocket battleship Admiral Scheer?
Created by Buggie111 (talk). Nominated by Buggie111 (talk) at 03:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- How about an infobox? Gatoclass (talk) 06:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Done -- Esemono (talk) 08:51, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- That's honestly a rather...bland hook, somewhat like "dog bites man". But otherwise I don't have any issues. - The Bushranger (talk) 14:43, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- See the comment by Nick Ottery on the DYK nom for Z44. cmadler (talk) 15:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
German destroyer Z35, German destroyer Z36
- ... that the German destroyers Z35 and Z36 both sank after htting German mines on the same day in the Gulf of Finland?
Created by Buggie111 (talk). Nominated by Buggie111 (talk) at 03:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Comment I expanded Z36 and created 35, hopefully they are both ok, cut out gulf of finland of hook is too long. Buggie111 (talk) 03:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Should be splited. Tbhotch 03:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- ? Buggie111 (talk) 03:21, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I though there were a rule which stated "Only one article per hook", sorry. Tbhotch 03:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Nope, if anything it's encouraged. Additional rule C3 specifically contemplates it. There's no problem with having two (or more) articles in a hook provided that they all meet ALL of the DYK rules including length, date, and citation. - DustFormsWords (talk) 03:31, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- They do need infoboxes, but that's a perk, they're good for DYK - The Bushranger (talk) 06:59, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Wikiships guidelines specifically state that All ship articles and ship class articles should use an infobox to summarize characteristics and other information so I think infoboxes should be added before the articles are promoted. Gatoclass (talk) 07:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Done - -Esemono (talk) 08:52, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- See the comment by Nick Ottery on the DYK nom for Z44. cmadler (talk) 15:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- I though there were a rule which stated "Only one article per hook", sorry. Tbhotch 03:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- ? Buggie111 (talk) 03:21, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 4
Cu Lao Cham Marine Park and Cham Islands
- ... that the ecosystems of the Cham Islands (pictured) in Vietnam were recognized as a global Biosphere Reserve (Cu Lao Cham Marine Park) by UNESCO on 26 May 2009?
Created by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 12:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Comment; A double article hook. Article 1 expanded by more than 5 x and Artcile 2 is new.--Nvvchar (talk) 13:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Antony Grey
- ... that Antony Grey, who died at the end of April, became Stonewall Hero of the Year in 2007, to mark the 40th anniversary of the partial decriminalisation of homosexuality in the UK in which he was instrumental?
Created by Zefrog (talk). Self nom at 11:19, 5 May 2010
JCall
- ... that JCall, a new Middle East advocacy group along the lines of J Street, is founded to lobby the European parliament for a resolution to the Middle East conflict?
Created by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 09:04, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Lectionary 232
- ... that Lectionary 232, manuscript of the New Testament, was variously dated in the past?
Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 01:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Michael Moutoussis, Aristeidis Moraitinis (aviator)
- ... that during the Balkan Wars, the Greek military aviators Michael Moutoussis and Aristeidis Moraitinis performed the first naval air mission in history, with a Farman MF.7 hydroplane (pictured)?
Created by Alexikoua (talk). Self nom at 21:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Transandinomys bolivaris
- ... that the rice rat Transandinomys bolivaris is characterized by very long whiskers, up to 5 cm (2 in) in length?
5x expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 21:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 06:47, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Junior Apprentice
- ... that the reality television series Junior Apprentice was delayed until after the 2010 United Kingdom general election because of the BBC's political impartiality regulations?
Created by User:KingOfTheMedia (talk). Self nom at 20:57, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 06:49, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Guillaume Beneman
- ...that the prominent late 18th-century Parisian ébéniste Guillaume Beneman was one of several of German extraction, including the royal cabinetmaker Jean Henri Riesener?
Created by Wetman (talk). Nominated by Wetman (talk) at 20:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- The reference style is quite confusing, and seems to lack details such as publisher. Might help if you added a bibliography. Gatoclass (talk) 06:58, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Also, one of several what? One of several ébénistes? Nyttend (talk) 18:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT: So, how about "...that Guillaume Beneman was one of several prominent late 18th-century Parisian ébénistes of German extraction, including the royal cabinetmaker Jean Henri Riesener?
- In shuffling and rearranging the standard-format citations to form a bibliography for this brief article, should one specify that for the J. Paul Getty Museum Journal the publisher is the J. Paul Getty Museum?--Wetman (talk) 18:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Metropolitan Block (Lima, Ohio)
- ... that the Metropolitan Block (pictured) is the best-preserved building of the Lima, Ohio oil boom of the late 19th century?
Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 16:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- The "best preserved" part doesn't seem to be clearly referenced, and the attribution of the picture is unclear, since there's no user by the name credited. Lovely building though. - The Bushranger (talk) 14:48, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- See User talk:Mike224jb: he never had a userpage, but he has a talk page. If this is a problem, you can use my own image: File:Metropolitan Block in Lima southern and western sides.jpg. I'm unclear about the problem with the "best preserved" — the hook is based on the final sentence of the first paragraph of the "Related buildings" section, which is clearly referenced to the fourth sentence of paragraph C of page 5 of citation 3: "The only remaining or unaltered of these elaborate structures is the Metropolitan Block, 1889, now on the National Register", and the context of the paragraph is buildings erected during the oil boom. Do you see "only remaining or unaltered" as not being equivalent to "best preserved", or am I misunderstanding you? Nyttend (talk) 18:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Actually I'd missed that particular phrase. Both it and the picture, now that I've actually found the user in question (odd, I'd have sworn earlier it said no such user existed, maybe I made a typo?) are A-OK. Nice work! - The Bushranger (talk) 18:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Sally Wister
- … that although Sally Wister's Journal was written as a series of letters in 1777–78, the addressee of the letters did not receive them until 1830?
Created by Piledhigheranddeeper (talk). Self nom at 16:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Looks okay. Gatoclass (talk) 07:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Amanita exitialis
- … that the Guangzhou destroying angel has fatally poisoned almost 30 people since the year 2000?
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 15:52, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Good to go! And wow. Too bad there isn't a picture, that'd be a lead candidate for sure. - The Bushranger (talk) 07:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Break The Barrier
- ... that during Break The Barrier, a professional wrestling supercard in 1999, Nick Gage defeated Justice Pain in an impromptu staple gun match?
Created by 72.74.209.36 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 14:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Andy Graver
- ... that when transferred from Lincoln City to Leicester City for £27,500 in 1954, English footballer Andy Graver was said to be "afraid of the responsibility of living up to such a big price tag"?
5x expanded by Struway2 (talk). Self nom at 09:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Those were the days :) Certified quirky. Gatoclass (talk) 07:17, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Betty King
- ... that in 2008 Australian judge Betty King referred to herself as the "queen of banning things"?
Created by Mkativerata (talk). Nominated by Hack (talk) at 06:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
ALT:... that Australian judge Betty King once claimed to have had her Misplaced Pages biography deleted? (suggested by Mkativerata) Hack (talk) 07:48, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- I've expanded the creation credits to User:Mattinbgn and User:Hack who both played significant roles in building up this article from its stub. My ALT suggestion is a bit of cheekiness.--Mkativerata (talk) 07:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- (ALT1) Date length and hook are good to go. Sadly, though, the sources don't support ALT2, instead referring to "a Misplaced Pages posting in her name" (which could be a fake username) rather than "her Misplaced Pages biography". - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Verified original hook, I struck the alt as it doesn't strike me as very interesting. Gatoclass (talk) 07:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Not sure what happened there, did we both post at the same time? Anyhow, there is no alt2 so I'm not sure what dfw is referring to, but my verification of the original hook stands. Gatoclass (talk) 07:32, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Neely-Sieber House
- ... that the Neely-Sieber House (pictured) in Lima, Ohio changed hands after the violent death of its oil baron owner?
- Comment: For the alt and rollover texts, I've said that the color of the house is orange. I'm partially colorblind, so I'm not sure if it's orange; if it's not, would you please fix this text? Nyttend (talk) 02:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 02:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- I'd call that orange, yep. かんぱい! Scapler (talk) 02:58, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
The mention of Neely's shooting, central to the hook, isn't referenced. - The Bushranger (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Just noticed the offline reference, brain is slow this morning. I'll take that AGF. - The Bushranger (talk) 14:53, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 3
MM Television
- ... that Bulgarian music television MM Television, which operated between 1997 and 2010, was managed by comedian Kamen Vodenicharov ?
Created by Keranov (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 15:39, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Occupation and annexation of the Baltic states by the Soviet Union (1940)
- ... that Molotov accused the Baltic states of conspiracy against the Soviet Union before their annexation in 1940?
- ALT1:Half a million Red Army soldiers occupied the Baltic states in 1940 – just one week before the Fall of France.
Created by Peltimikko (talk). Self nom at 09:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Not new text. Moved from Occupation of the Baltic states. 13:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Crippled Summer
- ... that the South Park episode "Crippled Summer" featured several mentally-handicapped children meant to resemble Looney Tunes cartoon characters?
Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 03:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- I have tweaked the hook to change "many" (not supported by article text) to "several". With that change, date, length and hook check out and is good to go. - DustFormsWords (talk) 10:25, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Bloomvale Historic District
- ... that in over 200 years of operation, the former hamlet of Bloomvale in Pleasant Valley, New York, has been the site (pictured) of a gristmill, sawmill, cotton mill and cider mill?
- ALT1:... that three different owners of mills (site pictured) at Bloomvale in Pleasant Valley, New York, defaulted on their mortgages and lost the mills to foreclosure?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 21:41, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I've removed "in three different centuries" from the first hook, since over 200 years is (by default) in three different centuries. Nyttend (talk) 03:02, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
1970 New Guinea earthquake
- ... that water receded as a result of the 1970 New Guinea earthquake, then increased 10 feet (3 meters), killing three?
Created by Ceranthor (talk). Nominated by Ceranthor (talk) at 21:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Let's Live for Today (song)
- ... that the song "Let's Live for Today", which became a 1967 hit single for The Grass Roots, was originally titled "Piangi Con Me" and featured lyrics written entirely in Italian?
Created by Kohoutek1138 (talk). Self nom at 14:16, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Length and date verified, offline refs accepted in good faith. --Bruce1ee 09:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Lectionary 226
- ... that the initial letters in Lectionary 226 (pictured) are decorated with zoomorphic, anthropomorphic and other motifs?
Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 01:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Lectionary 228
- ... that Lectionary 228 (pictured) very often interchange letters of "omicron" and "omega"?
Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 01:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Russian cruiser Gromoboi
- ... that the crew of the Russian armored cruiser Gromoboi suffered more heavily during the Battle off Ulsan in 1904 than that of the Rossia because their captain ordered his light gun crews to remain at their guns even when they were out of range?
5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 14:48, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Offline sources AGF'd. Good work. - The Bushranger (talk) 00:54, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Can the hook be stortened. Its very long Victuallers (talk) 07:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Bryan Pedersen
- ... that State Rep. Bryan Pedersen of Cheyenne has proposed that Wyoming invest 80 percent of its permanent minerals and land accounts into stocks and hedge funds?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Paula Bauersmith
- ... that Paula Bauersmith appeared in the original Broadway productions of Bury the Dead, Sail Away, and Breakfast at Tiffany's?
Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 00:53, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Date and length are fine. However, the hook is sourced to the Internet Broadway Database, which there is not consensus for as a reliable source. Surely if the woman's notable you can source her stage work to contemporary reviews or to biographies? Especially for Broadway productions as notable as these? - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- I added a citation to Who's Who, which confirms that she played Martha Webster in the 1936 production of Bury the Dead at the Ethel Barrymore Theatre and Mrs Sweeney in the 1961 production of Sail Away at the Broadhurst Theatre. There's no mention of Breakfast at Tiffany's, probably because it never officially opened, but this site confirms that she was in the original Broadway cast. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 16:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Dance in the Dark
- ... that Lady Gaga's song "Dance in the Dark" is about a girl who likes to have sex with the lights off because she is embarrassed about her body?
Created by Legolas2186 (talk). Nominated by Frcm1988 (talk) at 00:31, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Orchid hunters
- ... that in the Victorian era orchid hunters often faced mortal danger while collecting orchids (pictured) in remote regions?
Created by Mbz1 (talk). Self nom at 23:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Karlsruhe Pyramid
- ... that the pyramid in the centre of Karlsruhe, Germany, was erected over the vault of the city's founder?
Created by Hans Adler (talk). Self nom at 23:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Nifty. The Stargate fan in me smells a gou'ald plot. ;) AGF'd and good to go. - The Bushranger (talk) 14:58, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. The pyramid has attracted the interest of some mystics and lunatics, but unfortunately I couldn't find a discussion of this in a reliable source. Hans Adler 18:52, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Breakin' Dishes
- ... that the Rihanna song "Breakin' Dishes" is about a woman exacting revenge on her infidelitous husband?
Created by User:KingOfTheMedia (talk). Self nom at 22:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Pedro Romero de Terreros
- ... that as a wedding present, Pedro Romero de Terreros, the first Count of Regla, gave his bride two dresses covered with diamonds?
Created by Karanacs (talk). Nominated by Karanacs (talk) at 21:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- offline sources AGF. Must be nice to have money.Thelmadatter (talk) 22:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Hugh T. Rinehart House
- ... that the builder of the Hugh T. Rinehart House (pictured) was a county commissioner of Auglaize County, Ohio?
Created by Nyttend (talk). Nominated by Morenooso (talk) at 21:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Some pretty houses up there! - The Bushranger (talk) 14:59, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Wild's Mill Complex
- ... that both the textile mills and residence of Nathan Wild, a prominent local figure in Columbia County, New York, are now listed on the National Register of Historic Places?
Created by Juliancolton (talk). Nominated by Juliancolton (talk) at 20:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Anton Santori
- ... that Anton Santori's play Emira is considered to be the first original Albanian drama ever written?
Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 23:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Theatricality
- ... that Lady Gaga loaned her costume designer to the American television series Glee for the episode "Theatricality"?
5x expanded by Frickative (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Jack L. Rives
- ... that Jack L. Rives became the first Judge Advocate General in any branch of the U.S. military to hold the rank of Lieutenant general?
Created by Madcoverboy (talk). Nominated by Madcoverboy (talk) at 06:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- I've changed "serve in the grade" to "hold the rank", because "ranks" are for commissioned officers and "grades" are for enlisted men. Nyttend (talk) 14:13, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. - The Bushranger (talk) 15:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Sellas Tetteh
- ... that following his success at the 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup, Ghanaian association football coach Sellas Tetteh was "knighted" in a ceremony led by veteran coach Cecil Jones Attuquayefio?
Created by GiantSnowman (talk). Nominated by GiantSnowman (talk) at 06:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT 1 - ... that following his team's success at the 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup, Ghanian under-20 national team manager Sellas Tetteh attributed his team's success to a Nigerian "prophet" called T. B. Joshua? GiantSnowman 06:32, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Radiole
- ... that Canalipalpata is an order of sessile marine polychaete worms whose members employ a fan-shaped "crown" of radioles (pictured) for both respiration and alimentation?
Created by DiverDave (talk). Self nom at 04:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that while they are primarily feeding structures, radioles (pictured) also serve as respiratory organs for certain sessile marine polychaetes?
- The ALT1 hook is shorter (146 versus 173 characters) than the original hook and has fewer distractions from the central topic. DiverDave (talk) 05:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Length and date okay, hook is sourced (perhaps even over-sourced), image is PD. Nice work. I prefer ALT1 for its focus and ease of reading. Can I suggest the CC-BY-SA picture below? There's no shortage of choice, but I think this one is both bright and clear. --Avenue (talk) 01:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for your favorable review, Avenue. I also prefer the ALT1 hook, and I like your suggesed photo better. The more striking colors of the radioles of Spirobranchus giganteus will pique the reader's interest better than the original photo. I will happily substitute the photo if you wish, and if nobody else objects. DiverDave (talk) 12:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- You're welcome. I imagine the person adding this to a queue can probably figure out what image we'd like now, but if you want to make it clearer for them, go ahead. --Avenue (talk) 15:52, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Brazilian battleship Riachuelo
- ... that the Armstrong Whitworth shipyard in Elswick submitted four plans for the Brazilian battleship Riachuelo?
5x expanded by Buggie111 (talk). Nominated by Buggie111 (talk) at 03:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- This article was on my todo list. It's a crreaton (by someone else) from WP:NEWT, and I've been wanting to get rid of it's "fifth-tire" status in WP:OMT. Buggie111 (talk) 03:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good to me, passed! - The Bushranger (talk) 03:39, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Mexican pottery and ceramics
- ... that despite heavy European and other influences, Mexican pottery and ceramics still retain indigenous elements?
Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- "pervasive" influences?--Wetman (talk) 09:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- that's fine, too I was just trying to use shorthand for the complicated story.Thelmadatter (talk) 17:37, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
List of oldest current National Basketball Association Players
- ... that at age 38, Shaquille O'Neal is the oldest current player in the National Basketball Association?
Created by Mr.crabby (talk). Self nom at 00:27, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- The list has only 395 characters of prose (the listed items and table are excluded). Furthermore, there is no source citation for the fact mentioned in the hook above. PleaseStand 02:32, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Unicorns cricket team, Clydesdale Bank 40
- ... that Unicorns, an unpaid English cricket team made up of out-of-contract professionals and aspiring youngsters, was created to take part in the 2010 Clydesdale Bank 40 competition?
- Comment: This is a double hook; please correct the format if I have done something wrong. Both Unicorns cricket team and Clydesdale Bank 40 (created by User:SGGH) are new.—MDCollins (talk) 00:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Created by MDCollins (User talk:MDCollins) (Unicorns), and SGGH (talk) (Clydesdale Bank 40). Nominated by MDCollins (talk) at 02:37, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Looks OK. I added a citation for the "unpaid" part in Unicorns cricket team#Squad so that I could approve this, but it would be good to cite the fact better in both articles. Also, please consider moving Unicorns cricket team to Unicorns Cricket Team or Unicorns (cricket team) to follow Misplaced Pages's usual naming convention (depending on whether "Cricket Team" is part of the name or not). Then change the hook to match that. PleaseStand 02:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- OK, now I see the requested move. PleaseStand 03:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 2
94 Meetings
- ... that "94 Meetings", an episode of NBC's comedy Parks and Recreation, featured the return of several actors who had previously appeared in the series, such as Alison Becker and Susan Yeagley?
Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 14:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Minuscule 697
- ... that Minuscule 697 was found a village near Corinth, and bought by C. L. Merlin, British vice-consul in Athens, in 1865?
Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 01:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Date, length, and hook check out, with interpretation of very technical source accepted in good faith. - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Amos Starr Cooke, Samuel Northrup Castle
- ... that the many beneficiaries of the estates of Castle & Cooke co-founders Samuel Northrup Castle and Amos Starr Cooke include the building where Barack Obama attended fifth-grade?
- ALT1:... that Amos Starr Cooke ran the Royal School for the Kingdom of Hawaii before co-founding Castle & Cooke corporation?
- Comment: Moved from user space May 2 and 3; double hook or split, e.g. the Castle estate donated the school building
Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 17:01, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Self Portrait with Two Circles
Rembrandt self portrait before the easel
- ... that the meaning of the circles in Rembrandt's painting Self Portrait with Two Circles has been the subject of much speculation?
Created by JNW (talk). Nominated by JNW (talk) at 23:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 07:53, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Francis Ley
- ... that Francis Ley is credited with introducing Baseball to England with the Derby County Baseball Club (pictured)?
5x expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 21:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Expansion, date, and hook verified. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 14:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Planet Earth Live
- ... that Planet Earth Live is a BBC nature documentary that will premier with orchestral accompaniment in large cities throughout the United States during the 2010 summer?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 20:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Currently only 1330 characters. Gatoclass (talk) 07:55, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
D'Arcy Power
- ... that on his 75th birthday Sir D'Arcy Power was presented with a record of 609 of his "selected writings" by a special committee of the Osler Club?
Created by Jarry1250 (talk). Self nom at 13:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Why Don't You Love Me (song)
- ... that the song "Why Don't You Love Me", performed by Beyoncé, peaked at number one in the Billboard Hot Dance Club Songs chart, though never was released as single?
Created by Alexshunn (talk). Nominated by Tbhotch (talk) at 06:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Oxegen 2010
- ... that Jedward (pictured) have asked to perform alongside Eminem, Muse and Arcade Fire at Oxegen 2010?
Created by Candlewicke (talk). Nominated by Candlewicke (talk) at 04:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Loretta Ables Sayre
- ... that hotel lounge singer Loretta Ables Sayre, in her 2007 Broadway debut in South Pacific, was nominated for a Tony Award and also won a Theatre World Award?
Created by Ssilvers (talk), JDDJS (talk). Nominated by Ssilvers (talk) at 23:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 23:44, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Gerald Ratner Athletics Center
- ... that the Gerald Ratner Athletics Center (pictured), which hosts the University of Chicago athletics department and serves as home to numerous varsity teams, is a suspension structure supported by masts, cables and counterweights?
5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 23:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Neat! - The Bushranger (talk) 15:04, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I have added an alt image that shows cables and masts more clearly. If used, the parenthetical could possibly be (gymnasium building pictured).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:21, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
John F. Kennedy Eternal Flame
- ... that the John F. Kennedy Eternal Flame was constructed just 24 hours before President Kennedy's funeral using a propane gas-fueled tiki torch procured from the Washington Gas and Light Company?
5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Nominated by Tim1965 (talk) at 21:45, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Kennedy's birthday is May 29. Assuming this gets approved somehow, I'm willing to let this wait until May 29 so it can be posted on an appropriate day. - Tim1965 (talk) 22:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Oh 29 Mai 2010 will be his 93rd birthday, hardly a memorable number. Publish it now or wait until 29 May 2017. Also suggest a catchier DYK. For example, the fact that someone knelt in front of the flame and burned to death. Or that the government refused to accept the Kennedy family's offer to pay for the permanent memorial. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 23:55, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Alt1:Did you know that millions have visited the John F. Kennedy Eternal Flame, including one who knelt in front of the flame, fell, and burned to death?
- Both the original hook and Alt-1 get the seal of approval. - The Bushranger Return fire 18:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I wikilinked the ALT hook, and corrected one typo in it. - Tim1965 (talk) 16:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Men and the City
- ... that Men and the City was a 2002 novel by former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein?
Created by Francium12 (talk). Nominated by Francium12 (talk) at 21:23, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- I find it difficult to persuade myself that this is a notable topic, particularly when we already have the article Saddam Hussein's novels. Gatoclass (talk) 04:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- We have articles for Saddam’s other works Zabibah and the King, The Fortified Castle and Begone, Demons... Francium12 06:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- WP:OSE. If somebody wants to promote this I won't stand in the way, but I'd be reluctant to do so myself. Gatoclass (talk) 08:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Gavril Dara the Younger
- ... that although Kënka e sprasme e Balës is the best-known work of Gavril Dara the Younger, it was published after his death?
Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Self nom at 20:58, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Length, date and hook refs verified. --Bruce1ee 09:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Åge Hadler
- ... that Åge Hadler (pictured) won the first individual World Championship title in men's orienteering, in 1966?
5x expanded by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 20:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Verified, image verified as CCA. Gatoclass (talk) 23:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Maharlika
- ... that former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos (pictured) used the Filipino term Maharlika as a nom de guerre until his World War II exploits as a guerilla soldier were proven false in 1985?
Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 17:35, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
ALT 1: ... that during pre-colonial times in the Philippines, the word maharlika referred to the Tagalog warrior-class people (pictured) bound to serve datus in times of war?
Carnegie library of Reims
Art Deco luster in the entrance hall of the Carnegie Library of Reims
- ... that the Art Deco Carnegie library of Reims was one of the three libraries built by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace after World War I?
Created by Afernand74 (talk). Self nom at 15:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Erm, Art Deco was in fashion between the two wars, so it's a bit redundant to say "after World War I" ("I", not "1", btw). I'm aware that the hook means to connect this with post-WWI peace efforts, but maybe you could twaek the hook to avoid this problem and include both tidbits in a different way. Incidenatlly, is it Carnegie library" or "Carnegie Library"? Also, you might consider doing something about the chaotic format in the notes: you placed them both before and after the punctuation marks; the wikipedia standard is after punctuation marks, but in any case it will eventually have to be just one style throughout the article. Dahn (talk) 15:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- * Ref:. Done.
- * library vs Library? No idea.
- What about this alt hook?
- *ALT1: ... that the Carnegie library of Reims was one of the three libraries offered by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace to devastated front-lines cities after World War I?
- I don't see any thing "redundant" in the first version - the "after WWI" point concerns the purpose not the style. It should be "Library". Johnbod (talk) 20:26, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- If you know of any art deco buildings built before World War I, lemme know. As I have said, I realize this refers to another characteristic, but in this context it just looks weird. Yes, I realize this is a detail that jumped at me and may leave the others cold, and do not hold a gun to anybody's head to follow me on this one. But the fact remains that it is redundant, as trivial as my concern about it being redundant may in theory be, and regardless of whether the hook is ultimately rephrased or not. I'm just saying, is all. Dahn (talk) 03:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- In theory Art Deco = 1925. You are right. In practice, the movement started in 1900s in France. The some work of the Viennese Secession may (could or should) be classified as Art Deco. An example may be the Stoclet Palace in Brussel or Otto Wagner Postparkasse. But is it Art Deco or Art Nouveau?
- Not all the buildings built between the two worlds were Art Deco in style. So it is not that trivial.
- I used the word Art Deco to stress that the architect won the Gold Medal at the 1925 Art Deco fair.
- Again, my issue here was with how the hook was phrased, as I have been saying from the beginning: the hook could communicate the same concept, but could also avoid saying what on first glance appears to be very similar (and is very similar). I'm aware of the classification issues regarding Secession v. Art Deco, but that too is not the issue: whatever loose definition of Art Deco one adopts, it still revolves around the basic fact that Secession architecture was an absolute exception in the interwar, and that, whatever Art Nouveau was to Art Deco, it was no longer a definition with two terms of comparison after WWI. And no, I have never said that the info would be trivial in the hook, and have even proposed a hook that would make the same idea work - that is, until other issues caught my eye (this is the substance of my posts below). Dahn (talk) 10:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- If you know of any art deco buildings built before World War I, lemme know. As I have said, I realize this refers to another characteristic, but in this context it just looks weird. Yes, I realize this is a detail that jumped at me and may leave the others cold, and do not hold a gun to anybody's head to follow me on this one. But the fact remains that it is redundant, as trivial as my concern about it being redundant may in theory be, and regardless of whether the hook is ultimately rephrased or not. I'm just saying, is all. Dahn (talk) 03:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Changed spelling of Library (and moved the page). I would prefer to see "art deco" remaining in the hook too.Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 11:41, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- We can actually have both, only my humble suggestion was that it could be phrased differently. Something like: "that the Carnegie Library of Reims, one of the three libraries built by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace after World War I, is built in Art Deco style?" And this is before I actually had a detailed look at what the article says. Did you? For one, it may stand to reason, but the notion that it is an art deco building is actually uncited. What's more, the relevant part text is, I'm sorry to say, very unencyclopedic, speculative, and written with an editorial voice. It talks to us about the harmony of its proportions, its beauty, it describes detail that it judges splendid, about how climbing stairs is the equivalent of aspiring to higher knowledge, and so on. The paragraphs are very undercited, without any attributed quotes, and there is a big problem with internal links - several in a line lead to the same article - and tenses (virtually everything is in the historical present that is so common in Romance language sources, but that is rarely used in English). For the relevant guidelines and policies, see WP:POV, WP:PEACOCK, WP:ATTR, WP:OVERLINK (and our WP:MOS in general). Dahn (talk) 03:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Changed spelling of Library (and moved the page). I would prefer to see "art deco" remaining in the hook too.Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 11:41, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- I wrote the article. So I did read it. Art Deco uncited? The architect won the Gold medal at the 1925 Exposition Internationale des Arts Décoratifs et Industriels Modernes that gave the name Art Deco. Did I miss something?
- I remove all the "splendid" and "beautiful" I put. I admit I was a little bit too enthusiastic about the place.
- My English is not up to standards. Hope somebody will copyedit it.
- Regarding the references, I forgot to buy the reference book when I visited the library. Hope somebody after me will do. Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 08:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't check to see if there was the same user page behind both signatures. The fact remains that the info is uncited, and the tidbit you refer to is also uncited: there is no reference after it, or, for that matter, throughout most of the text. This is not only a generic content issue (WP:ATTR, WP:CITE, WP:RS etc.), it is also a main requirement for DYK entries (see Misplaced Pages:Did you know#DYK rules: "The nomination's hook must contain a fact cited in the article. The fact should have an inline citation, and the article in general should use inline, cited sources.")
- On the other issues: well, stuff like that happens all the time. Your English is okay from what I see, the problem remains with the tenses, and, as I have said before, it results from a common misunderstanding (one more reason why I encourage editors to read the WP:MOS is that we can streamline the effort of improving content). The main issue is that the article should have some sort of citations, if not for the quality of its content in the long run, then for the DYK submission at least. Dahn (talk) 10:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Ralph Hungerford
- ... that as the first Governor of American Samoa following World War II, conversion of the Samoan economy to a pre-war state was Ralph Hungerford's (pictured) top priority?
Created by Scapler (talk). Self nom at 07:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Sections are a bit short, but it meets the criteria and is an intriguing subject. Good to go. - The Bushranger Return fire 05:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Rondalla
- ... that the primary string instrument that motivated the development of the Philippine rondalla (pictured) was the guitar, introduced to Filipinos by the Spaniards?
Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 05:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- pic has to be in article Victuallers (talk) 10:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- The guitar pic either here and in the article makes/would make no sense. If I may, I would like to suggest either permanently or temporarily cropping the image of the rondalla from the pic in the article, for the purpose of illustrating the actual instrument. Dahn (talk) 12:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Changed image with cropped version from Commons. - AnakngAraw (talk) 13:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- It makes no sense to have an image of an instrument because according to the article a rondalla is an ensemble, not an instrument. Gatoclass (talk) 08:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I think the article means to say it's (also) a class of instruments. Dahn (talk) 15:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- It makes no sense to have an image of an instrument because according to the article a rondalla is an ensemble, not an instrument. Gatoclass (talk) 08:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Heber Bartolome
- ... that apart from being a folk musician and painter, Heber Bartolome was an active lobbyist for the rights of Filipino composers?
- Comment: *ALT 1: ... that Filipino folk musician Heber Bartolome's compositions were described as a unique synthesis of rock and blues, and Philippine ethnic rhythms?
- ALT 2: ... that Heber Bartolome was the founder of Banyuhay, a Filipino protest and folk music band that carried the trademark sound of the native musical instrument known as the kubing?
Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Ernest Troubridge
- ... that Rear-Admiral Ernest Troubridge (pictured) was court-martialed for his failure to successfully engage the German warships SMS Goeben and SMS Breslau?
Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Verified, image verified as PD. Gatoclass (talk) 04:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
USS Washington (BB-47)
- ... that even after being hit by three one ton bombs, the USS Washington (BB-47) had only a three degree list?
5x expanded by Buggie111 (talk). Nominated by Buggie111 (talk) at 01:45, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- If the expansion ended today. That means that the X5 expansion began over 800 days ago. You need to get it expanded in less than 10 days. Sorry Buggie but if you can expand it a bit more, I'm sure that you could get it ready in time.--White Shadows 02:51, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- My prozesize.js says that it was 714 in the begining, and needed 3570. It's now 3605. Buggie111 (talk) 03:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Date, expansion, fact verified. White Shadows reads what the DYK check too literally - the tool is imperfect. Materialscientist (talk) 03:45, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry about that. Yes it is good to go.--White Shadows 16:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Date, expansion, fact verified. White Shadows reads what the DYK check too literally - the tool is imperfect. Materialscientist (talk) 03:45, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 1
Cameron's Line
- ... that Cameron's Line is a suture fault in the Northeast United States formed by the Taconic orogeny around 450 mya?
Created by Dmadeo (talk). Self nom at 06:27, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Length, date and hook ref verified. I tweaked the hook a little: changed "the suture fault" to "a suture fault". --Bruce1ee 09:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Mazra'a
- ... that when Mazra'a was one of the Viftlik estates of the Galilee governor Daher al-Omar (c. 1690 - 1775), it was exempt from paying taxes to the Ottoman Empire?
5x expanded by Huldra (talk), Zero0000 (talk), Tiamut (talk). Nominated by Tiamut (talk) at 20:15, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- alt1 ... that Mazra'a formed part of the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem and is mentioned in a 1283 treaty with the Mamluk Sultan Qalaun? Tiamut 20:15, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
The Mighty Hannibal
- ... that the American R&B, soul and funk singer, songwriter and record producer, The Mighty Hannibal, once sang with a couple of pips, and was later known for "Jerkin' the Dog"?
Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk), Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 19:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- ..or, ALT1: ... that Vernon Jordan's cousin, The Mighty Hannibal, was jailed after "Jerkin' the Dog"?
- But, in any case, please don't credit me with an assist on this article - my contribution was microscopically minimal (but thanks anyway for the thought, Derek). Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:40, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Phil Packer
- ... that Phil Packer, who was rendered paraplegic in 2008 by a rocket attack while serving in the Iraq War, has since rowed the English Channel, climbed El Capitan, and completed two London Marathons?
Created by DeLarge (talk). Self nom at 15:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Gibtelecom
- ... that Gibtelecom is the largest telecommunications operator in the British overseas territory of Gibraltar and the official sponsor of the annual Gibtelecom International Chess Festival?
Created by Ecemaml (talk), Gibmetal77 (talk). Nominated by Gibmetal77 (talk) at 22:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Removed logo—fair use images can not be used. – VisionHolder « talk » 01:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- The "largest telecom operator" fact isn't referenced, not that I can tell, anyway... - The Bushranger (talk) 07:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I've referenced the lead section. It should be fine now. Thanks, --Gibmetal 77 11:31, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed it is, and you're welcome! - The Bushranger (talk) 15:35, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Literary societies at Washington & Jefferson College
- ... that
prior to the merger of Jefferson College with Washington College to form Washington & Jefferson College, the two schools had an intense literary rivalry?
- ALT1:...that members of the Philo Literary Society at Canonsburg Academy would cover the windows with their cloaks to prevent onlookers, because secret societies were assumed to be tied to freemasonry or witchcraft?
Created by GrapedApe (talk). Nominated by GrapedApe (talk) at 04:13, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Comment from nom: I like the ALT1 better.--GrapedApe (talk) 04:17, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Straight Up (book)
- ... that Straight Up is the newest book by Joseph J. Romm, whom Time magazine called "The Web's most influential climate-change blogger"?
Created by Ssilvers (talk). Nominated by Ssilvers (talk) at 04:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Alt hooks welcome! -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Verified. BTW the TIME quote is actually from here and not from the link given in ref. --Bruce1ee 09:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've now added that link to the footnote. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:52, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Limb infarction
- ... that after a limb infarction, approximately 70 percent of infarcted arms or legs remain alive and vital after 6 months?
Created by Mikael Häggström (talk). Self nom at 16:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT 2: ... that after appropriate treatment for limb infarction, approximately 70 percent of infarcted arms or legs remain alive and vital after 6 months? Mikael Häggström (talk) 11:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Lemurs of Madagascar
- ... that the list of lemur species promoted by the book Lemurs of Madagascar is not universally accepted by all lemur researchers?
Created by Visionholder (talk). Self nom at 05:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Fair use image removed per Misplaced Pages:Did_you_know#Images. --Snek01 (talk) 09:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Forgot that you couldn't use those. Sorry. – VisionHolder « talk » 12:12, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Sounds intriguing (and highlights a valid concern in today's age of conservation). - The Bushranger (talk) 07:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Beth Rickey
- ... that the Republican political activist Beth Rickey has been widely cited as the person most responsible for halting the election of David Duke as governor of Louisiana in 1991?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:35, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Babcock-Macomb House
- ... that the Babcock-Macomb House was the first built in Washington, D.C.'s new Massachusetts Heights neighborhood, and later became the embassy of Cape Verde?
Created/expanded by Grsz11 (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good to me! Brian the Editor (talk) 01:35, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
2010 European Under-18 Rugby Union Championship
- ... that the French victory at the 2010 European Under-18 Rugby Union Championship was the teams fifth title in seven editions of the annual tournament?
Created by Calistemon (talk). Nominated by Calistemon (talk) at 00:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Hochheim, Texas
- ... that the German settlement of Hochheim, Texas, which means “high home,” is named for founder Volentine Hoch who appropriately built his house on a nearby hill?
5x expanded by William S. Saturn (talk). Nominated by William S. Saturn (talk) at 00:08, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Don't mess with Texas! - The Bushranger (talk) 07:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Patrick Manogue
- ... that Patrick Manogue, miner '49er, whose chair sat on land donated by Peter Burnett, has a Patrick Manogue Derby Day?
- ... that Patrick Manogue (pictured) was a miner '49er and sat on a bishop's chair?
(Alternate hook) New by Morenooso (talk). Nominated by Morenooso (talk) at 23:24, 1 May 2010 (UTC) -->
- The hook needs to be rephrased; it has grammatical problems and doesn't directly mention, or link to, the article (Patrick Manogue) that it goes with. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 23:52, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- The hook was reworked. --Morenooso (talk) 03:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Very confused - the article says he built a cathedral - where is the mansion mentioned? Victuallers (talk) 10:33, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- The mansion is a very bad (or good - depending on you like hooks) play of words or hook on a house of God which a cathedral is. House usually used for church; a mansion is a very expensive house; ergo, cathedral. "House of God" wikilinked to "Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament" would work too. Morenooso (talk) 12:09, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- I think I understand - and I like hooks that tease (but not lie) .... and you don't live in a cathedral. Can you find another hook? Victuallers (talk) 22:23, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Hook revised. --Morenooso (talk) 03:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Hook shortened. Morenooso (talk) 21:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Hook revised. --Morenooso (talk) 03:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- I think I understand - and I like hooks that tease (but not lie) .... and you don't live in a cathedral. Can you find another hook? Victuallers (talk) 22:23, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- The mansion is a very bad (or good - depending on you like hooks) play of words or hook on a house of God which a cathedral is. House usually used for church; a mansion is a very expensive house; ergo, cathedral. "House of God" wikilinked to "Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament" would work too. Morenooso (talk) 12:09, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Liliom (1934 film)
- ... that Liliom was one of Fritz Lang's favourite films that he directed?
Created by Andrzejbanas (talk). Nominated by Andrzejbanas (talk) at 23:19, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- for tighter construction and an added link, how about "...that, among the films he directed, Liliom was one of Fritz Lang's favourites?
- Works for me! Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:30, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 approved AGF. - The Bushranger (talk) 07:16, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Works for me! Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:30, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Intimate Exchanges
- ... that the 1982 play Intimate Exchanges by Alan Ayckbourn includes 31 scenes, 16 hours of dialogue and 10 characters, all performed by only two actors, and has been produced only twice in its entirety?
Created by GDallimore (talk). Nominated by GDallimore (talk) at 22:49, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- (alt)... that the two actors in the play Intimate Exchanges by Alan Ayckbourn (pictured) can decide from sixteen different endings? Victuallers (talk) 11:00, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Except that isn't correct and isn't mentioned or referenced in the article. It's not the actors' decision. The best that could be said is that "IE has 16 different endings", but multiple endings is not particularly unique - it's the scale of Intimate Exchanges that makes it different from anything else. GDallimore (Talk) 11:40, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- I was confused by the article saying "As the play progresses, the characters make choices each of which causes the story to go in one of two directions" ...which sounds to me like the hook I offered. Still happy to let you decide... I found the article much more intriguing than the hook. Victuallers (talk) 22:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. But just to make clear, the distinction between the (non-real) characters and the (real-life) actors is important when the play is actually produced. GDallimore (Talk) 01:21, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- (alt2) ... that the 1982 play Intimate Exchanges by Alan Ayckbourn includes 31 scenes (pictured), 16 possible endings, 10 characters, and 8 major plot variations, all performed by only 2 actors?
- How's that looking? GDallimore (Talk) 15:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- That is a nice hook. I'd read the article. Drmies (talk) 22:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Kaare Fostervoll
- ... that later politician and broadcasting director Kaare Fostervoll became Norway's youngest school principal in 1927?
Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 22:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Bathynerita naticoidea
- ... that the snail Bathynerita naticoidea lives in oil seeps in the northern Gulf of Mexico?
Created by Snek01 (talk). Nominated by Snek01 (talk) at 20:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- Bathynerita naticoidea is new article. Cold seep is 5× expanded. --Snek01 (talk) 15:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Graceful shark
- ... that the graceful shark has been described as "tubby"?
5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 20:19, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- Date, length and hook verified. (Offline source verified per ). --Snek01 (talk) 13:06, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Caitlin Thomas
- ... that when Dylan Thomas' wife, Caitlin Thomas arrived at his death bed, her words were reportedly, "Is the bloody man dead yet?"?
Expanded by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom by FruitMonkey (talk) 19:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- Article before today was 1074 characters without references. It now stands at 5280 without references, contents header or image (and still rising). FruitMonkey (talk) 19:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- Also, does anyone know if this sentence should end in a question mark, or is the embedded question mark sufficient? FruitMonkey (talk) 19:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- One question mark is plenty. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:04, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Although they look ugly, two are needed. Ericoides (talk) 08:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Reordering the hook would avoid this problem, as follows: ErinM (talk) 04:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ...that Caitlin Thomas reportedly shouted "Is the bloody man dead yet?" when arriving at the deathbed of her husband, Dylan Thomas?
- That works for me. FruitMonkey (talk) 06:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- And me. - The Bushranger Return fire 05:59, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Kaare Frydenberg
- ... that for the year 2004, Kaare Frydenberg was the best paid leader of a Norwegian fully state-owned company?
Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 15:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Dunne D.8
- ... that the Dunne D.8, a British biplane flying in 1912, was equipped with a bicycle undercarriage and wingtip skids, a landing gear configuration shared with the much later U-2 spyplane?
Created by TSRL (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 15:20, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Forrestdale Lake
- ... that Forrestdale Lake used to be an important tortoise hunting site?
5x expanded by Maias (talk). Self nom at 14:30, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
White Horse Temple
- ... that the White Horse Temple (pictured) is, according to tradition, the first Buddhist temple in China, established in Luoyang in 68 AD?
5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), John Hill (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 14:05, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- Expansion size and date verified, as well as the fact itself (from google books). Pcap ping 19:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Election court
- ... that if an Election court in the United Kingdom finds someone guilty of a corrupt practice, they are prevented from voting or holding elected office for five years?
Created by Dmvward (talk). Nominated by Dmvward (talk) at 13:23, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Atsuko Seta
- ... that Atsuko Seta is the first Japanese pianist to ever perform with the Lebanese National Symphony Orchestra??
5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 12:49, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Tony Moll
- ... that Tony Moll signed a $1.176 million contract with Baltimore in 2010 despite being named the fifth worst offensive lineman in the NFL in 2008 and starting no games in 2009?
5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 07:52, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
De Bullemolen, Lekkum
- ... that De Bullemolen (pictured) in Lekkum, is the finish point of Friesland's Elfstedentocht?
Created by Mjroots (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 07:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Karma Gon Monastery
- ... that Karma Gon Monastery (pictured), the original monastery of the Karma Kagyu sect of Tibetan Buddhism, was founded in 1147 CE by Düsum Khyenpa, the 1st Karmapa Lama?
--> Nominated by John Hill (talk) and Nvvchar (talk)11:23, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- Img added.--Nvvchar (talk) 10:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Mizunokojima Lighthouse
- ... that a September 1922 typhoon spawned waves that covered the 56-meter (184 ft)-high Mizunokojima Lighthouse?
Created by The ed17 (talk). Nominated by The ed17 (talk) at 07:25, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- Tsunami is the wrong word for these waves, they may be meteotsunami or possibly just very large storm waves. Mikenorton (talk) 11:29, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- Hmm, you're right—does the hook look better now? Thanks for your comment! —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 19:11, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
John Gould Moyer
- ... that as Governor of American Samoa, John Gould Moyer suggested his men's tour of duty be reduced because he claimed "the climate is bad for most Caucasians"?
Created by Scapler (talk). Self nom at 06:30, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- Good to go. - The Bushranger Return fire 06:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Majorcan cartographic school
- ... that Catalan Atlas ( the most important map of the medieval period) (pictured) was made by Abraham Cresques, who belonged to Majorcan cartographic school, in 1375?
5x expanded by Mbz1 (talk). Self nom at 04:59, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on April 30
Numedal Line
- ... that the 93 km (58 mi) long Numedal Line (pictured) of Norway was built to aid the construction of hydroelectric power stations?
5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Nominated by Arsenikk (talk) at 18:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Ghost estate
- ... that there are more than 600 ghost estates and 300,000 empty houses in Ireland, as a result of the country's property bubble?
- ALT1:...that every family on Ireland's social housing waiting list could be accommodated in empty homes on the country's ghost estates?
Created by Kateshortforbob (talk). Self nom at 15:54, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Looks OK (both hooks). This will definitely make it to the main page and will probably get lots of hits. PleaseStand 02:36, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Jimmy Hughes (singer)
- ... that Jimmy Hughes, whose soul recordings "helped define the signature Muscle Shoals sound", retired from performing and recording at the age of 32?
Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 08:46, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Leon Smith (tennis coach)
- ... that Leon Smith, recently appointed as Great Britain's Davis Cup captain, coached a young Andy Murray to an Orange Bowl under-12s tennis title?
Created by Cassandra 73 (talk). Self nom at 19:41, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
George Clavering-Cowper, 3rd Earl Cowper
- ...that George Clavering-Cowper (pictured) went on a Grand Tour and, despite becoming an Earl and an M.P., he stayed in Florence and became a Prince?
Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 17:58, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Sault-au-Cochon, Quebec
- ... that on September 9, 1949, Albert Guay blew up a Douglas DC-3 over Sault-au-Cochon, Quebec (Canada), killing 23 people, in order to kill his wife and collect insurance money?
Created by P199 (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Jos Buttler
- ... that Somerset and England Under-19 wicket-keeper Jos Buttler was named as the 2010 Young Wisden Schools Cricketer of the Year?
- ALT1:... that Jos Buttler and fellow Somerset batsman Alex Barrow set a record-breaking opening stand in a 50-over national schools cricket game, scoring 340 for King's College, Taunton?
5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Thomas Greenhill (surgeon)
- ... that Thomas Greenhill (pictured), surgeon to Henry Howard, 7th Duke of Norfolk was born in 1669 in Abbots Langley in Hertfordshire to his mother Elizabeth her 39th and last child?
5x expanded by LittleHow (talk). Nominated by LittleHow (talk) at 10:43, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Arterial embolism
- ... that arterial embolism has a 25% to 30% mortality rate without treatment?
Created by Mikael Häggström (talk). Self nom at 05:10, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Billy Gray (actor)
- ... that after Father Knows Best ended, the actor Billy Gray devoted his later interest to riding and collecting motorcycles?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:33, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT: ...that in 1983 the actor Billy Gray declared his former television series Father Knows Best to have been "totally false and a disservice to everyone"?
Hovertrain
- ... that during the 1960s and 70s, the hovertrain was a major area of research in high speed train designs, using hovercraft lift systems and linear induction motors?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 01:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Mission Santa Cruz de San Sabá
- ... that a 1762 painting of the destruction of Mission Santa Cruz de San Sabá is the earliest known depiction of a historical event in Texas?
Created by Karanacs (talk). Nominated by Karanacs (talk) at 21:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Joe LeSage
- ... that former Louisiana State Senator Joe LeSage quarterbacked the 1948 LSU Tigers and in 1956 at the age of 27 was named to the LSU Board of Supervisors?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 21:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- The quarterback part of the hook is sourced to this page which does not appear to be a reliable source as anyone can edit it. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- LSU Sports source has replaced fanbase.com Billy Hathorn (talk) 22:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. Because we don't know that LeSage was "the quarterback" as opposed to one of a few QBs on the squad, I suggest:
- ... that former Louisiana State Senator Joe LeSage was a quarterback for the LSU Tigers and at the age of 27 was named to the LSU Board of Supervisors?
Alice Nunn
- ... that Alice Nunn in her role as Large Marge in Tim Burton's film Pee-wee's Big Adventure created one of the scariest moments in non-horror movie history?
Created by Dr.K. (talk). Self nom at 20:54, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- That is a subjective assesement. For the hook to work, it needs to be made into a quote, and preferably attributed to a source. Dahn (talk) 21:27, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for the input. Below is a proposed alternate (the citation is provided in the article). Dr.K. 22:06, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Alternate 1:
- ... that Alice Nunn played Large Marge in Tim Burton's film Pee-wee's Big Adventure, which is number 5 on the Independent Film Channel's list of the 25 scariest moments in non-horror movies?
- Alternate 2:
- ... that the Independent Film Channel's list of the 25 scariest moments in non-horror movies includes Large Marge, a role played by Alice Nunn in Tim Burton's film Pee-wee's Big Adventure? Dr.K. 00:11, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Catatropis johnstoni
- ... that although the only known natural definitive host of the fluke Catatropis johnstoni is the marsh rice rat, its normal host may be a bird?
Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 20:43, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Ascocotyle pindoramensis
- ... that definitive hosts for the fluke Ascocotyle pindoramensis include a variety of birds as well as the marsh rice rat?
Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 19:23, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
List of Major League Baseball runs batted in champions
- ... that Matt Holliday (pictured) broke a potential record-breaking streak of RBI titles by Ryan Howard thanks to Holliday's performance in the 2007 National League Wild Card tie-breaker game?
5x expanded by Staxringold (talk). Nominated by Staxringold (talk) at 19:17, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Most definitely. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 20:28, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Wooden Leg: A Warrior Who Fought Custer
- ... that Wooden Leg didn't have one?
Created by Spinningspark (talk). Self nom at 18:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Alright, Misplaced Pages is probably too stuffy to let me get away with that. Try this one instead: SpinningSpark 18:46, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- (ALT1)... that in writing Wooden Leg: A Warrior Who Fought Custer Thomas B. Marquis communicated with Wooden Leg in Plains Indian Sign Language as neither spoke the other's language?
- Comment the original hook might be suitable for next April Fool's Day. Mjroots (talk) 18:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Date and length check out but both hooks have problems. I really like the first one in principle, but the article doesn't actually state Wooden Leg didn't have a Wooden leg - only that that's not where his name came from. And as for the second one, the article says Wooden Leg spoke "little" English, not none. Try a rephrase? - DustFormsWords (talk) 00:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- You are being a bit pedantic on your first point, this is clearly meant by implication in both the article and book. I was not really expecting the original hook to fly in any case, but if you want to use it, I have a source that specifically states this fact and it could be inserted in the article if necessary. On the second point, strictly speaking you are correct, I was trying to keep the hook snappy. Yes, it can be reworded, SpinningSpark 12:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC);
- (ALT2)... that in writing Wooden Leg: A Warrior Who Fought Custer Thomas B. Marquis communicated with Wooden Leg in Plains Indian Sign Language as neither was fluent in the other's language?
Jejemon
- ... that the word "Jejemon" supposedly came from Filipino online users' penchant to type in "hehehe" as "jejeje", supposedly because the letters "h" and "j" are beside each other?
Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Nominated by Howard the Duck (talk) at 13:33, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Date and length check out but the hook's no good. Your source for the "supposedly" ALSO says "supposedly", with no attribution given but in a context where in the previous paragraph he'd been quoting the Urban Dictionary - certainly not a reliable source. Try again with a different hook? - DustFormsWords (talk) 23:11, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- How about "...that a Jejemon is described as a new breed of hipsters who have developed not only their own language and written text but also their own sub-culture and fashion? –Howard the Duck 05:55, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- That's not a particularly interesting hook but date, length and source check out, so good to go. The article could use a lot of work; in particular, Urban Dictionary isn't a reliable (or meaningful) source even if it's quoted by CNET Asia. - DustFormsWords (talk) 00:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Polydorus (Priam's Son)
- ... that Polydorus, son of Priam, features in Euripides' Greek tragedy Hecuba, Virgil's Roman epic The Aeneid and Homer's Iliad?
Created by Dwilliams1751 (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 13:23, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
V.J. Bella
- ... that V.J. Bella, a firefighter from St. Mary Parish who served as a Louisiana state representative, proposed the first fire sprinkler legislation in his state?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:00, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- ALT:... that former State Fire Marshal V.J. Bella was the driving force behind the establishment of the Louisiana Firefighters Memorial in Baton Rouge?
- Many unreliable sources present in the article. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:10, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Citations 4 and 9 aren't useful, and perhaps 8 as well, but the primary citations are all good. Citations 6 and 7 are simply reprints of an Associated Press story (generally reliable) and of a major newspaper story (surely reliable). Nyttend (talk) 18:54, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Citation 7 leads here... http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Bella_V.J._16110019.aspx —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 04:27, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
List of parasites of the marsh rice rat
- ... that marsh rice rats (pictured) in Florida are infected by an "unprecedented" number of internal parasites?
- Comment: The article has been there for a while, but I expanded the prose portion more than 5x today.
5x expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 03:40, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
James Whitcomb Riley
- ... that James Whitcomb Riley's 1885 poem "Little Orphant Annie" was so named because of a typesetting error during printing?
5x expanded by Charles Edward (talk). Nominated by Charles Edward (talk) at 02:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- That's so weird, I actually read part of this article about half an hour ago while browsing around, and now I find it here. offline source taken in good faith, but a couple comments: who is Bodenhamer, and you are relying a lot on just the one source. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 04:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- I know, the article is a work in progress. (you may notice the last third of his life is missing!) I have more sources available and will employ them during the next week, I am hoping to make a featured article out of it. It just finally got 5x expanded so I put it here. Brodenhamer is Encyclopedia of Indianapolis.. I need to add that, there is also an online reference for that hook listed after the sentance, but they are three say about the same thing. :) —Charles Edward 12:10, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't, probably because I only read the first half or so. ;) To update assemblers: hold this until Charles posts that the article is complete, thanks! —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 04:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- It should be ok to run with now. I have the rest of his life in there now. Still more work until its FA worthy though. —Charles Edward 17:03, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Sendero
- ... that in 1973 the Paraguayan Episcopal Conference was able to revive a newspaper of its own, Sendero, after having shut its previous press organ in 1969 due to government harassment?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 02:00, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Emil Isac
- ... that the Romanian author and politician Emil Isac reacted against ethnic nationalism by maintaining close contacts with Hungarian intellectuals such as Endre Ady and Oszkár Jászi?
Created by Dahn (talk). Nominated by Dahn (talk) at 01:47, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Magic Fountain of Montjuïc
- ... that the Magic Fountain of Montjuïc in Barcelona was built on the site of four columns representing Catalan nationalism?
Created/expanded by Grsz11 (talk). Self nom at 00:34, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- DYK all good. But does the article really need so many pictures??? -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 02:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 29
John Mackintosh Square
- ... that in 1939, excavations beneath John Mackintosh Square in Gibraltar (pictured) for the construction of an air-raid shelter revealed no signs of any foundations, suggesting it has always been an open square?
Created by Ecemaml (talk), Gibmetal77 (talk). Nominated by Gibmetal77 (talk) at 21:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
2010–11 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team
- ... that 2010–11 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team have replaced two of their three assistant coaches from the prior season?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 18:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- (alt) ... that 2010–11 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team features an incoming class with the sons of two former National Basketball Association players, one of whom is the younger brother of a current one?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:44, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- I have several concerns about this. First, I think most of the article (probably including any hook to be used) should be written in future tense. This is about a season that hasn't yet begun, with players who haven't yet enrolled in school. That brings up my second concern, which is to wonder about whether we should be putting a future event on the front page in this way. I'm asking for feedback on the latter concern at WT:DYK cmadler (talk) 19:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Every year I put Michigan football and basketball articles through the DYK process at this stage of development. There is no speculation as to whether the team will exist. I will consider the tense.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- I have corrected the tense.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:11, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Al Mazar, Jenin
- ... that al-Mazar (Arabic for "shrine") was a village depopulated during the 1948 war in which many who died in the 1260 Battle of Ain Jalut were buried?
5x expanded by Huldra (talk), Tiamut (talk), Zero0000 (talk). Nominated by Tiamut (talk) at 13:55, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Hableh
- ... that the Palestinian village of Hableh is located on a rocky ridge in which there are numerous ancient cisterns cut into the rock?
5x expanded by Tiamut (talk), Zero0000 (talk). Nominated by Tiamut (talk) at 13:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Sulam
- ... that the Arab village of Sulam (pictured) is identified with the ancient Shunama mentioned in the 14th century BCE Amarna letters, and with biblical Shunem?
5x expanded by Huldra (talk), Tiamut (talk), Zero0000 (talk). Nominated by Tiamut (talk) at 13:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Kelly Faris
- ... that Kelly Faris has won five consecutive post-season basketball tournaments, including a National Championship?
Created by Sphilbrick (talk). Self nom at 01:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Black-throated Gray Warbler
- ... that the Black-throated Gray Warbler has expanded its range due to warming climate, instead of losing habitat like most migratory New World warblers?
Created by Innotata (talk). Self nom at 16:20, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- the first clause is verified, but I couldn't find the second in either the article text or the source. -Atmoz (talk) 17:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry; Birds of North America Online hints at this, but I take this fact for granted so much I didn't bother to see that it said so clearly. I'll cite the Sibley guide or something; you'll probably have to take it "AGF". —innotata 18:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Ornithidium donaldeedodii
- ... that a new orchid species, Ornithidium donaldeedodii, was 'discovered' when a mislabeled plant at the University of California Botanical Garden had its DNA analysed?
Created by First Light (talk). Nominated by First Light (talk) at 16:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Hootie Ingram
- ... that Hootie Ingram tied the SEC record for interceptions, coached football at Clemson, and was the athletic director at Florida State and Alabama?
5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 07:25, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Union Hall (Adelaide)
- ... that the original capacity of Adelaide's Union Hall (pictured) was chosen to be 499 because building regulations required a fire officer be present when halls with 500 or more seats were in use?
Created/expanded by Lear's Fool (talk). Nominated by Lear's Fool (talk) at 16:11, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1... that Adelaide's Union Hall (pictured) was built with 499 seats to avoid building regulations that required a fire officer to be present in halls with 500 seats?
- Date, length and hook are good - EXCEPT that the sources don't say "fireman", they say "fire warden", which may or may not be the same thing. (In my experience they're typically different, with the hypothetical warden being an employee of the hall rather than of the fire department.) Could you consider this issue and revise the article and hook accordingly? - DustFormsWords (talk) 06:53, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm aware of it. The article by Peter Goers (here) uses the word fire warden, but the On Dit article from 1958 (which is a source contemporary to the opening) uses the word fireman, and the offline source (The University of Adelaide. 1874-1974 by Duncan) uses the phrase fireman as well as referring to the specific law. Accordingly, of the two I felt fireman was better referenced. If the confusion makes this an inappropriate fact for a DYK, maybe some of the following would be better. -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 07:47, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT2... that Adelaide's Union Hall (pictured) was designed by renowned South Australian architect Louis Laybourne Smith?
- ALT3... that GM Holden contributed £12,000 to the fund used to finance the construction of Adelaide's Union Hall (pictured)?
- Original hook and ALT1 approved if we perhaps change the word "fireman" to "fire officer" which encompasses both warden and fireman and has the added advantage of being gender-neutral. ALT2 and ALT3 also check out although I do think ALT1 is more interesting and better worded. - DustFormsWords (talk) 08:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Done -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 23:49, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Paul Mactire
- ... that a 17th century Scottish legend attempted to explain the vitrified fortress of Dun Creich by claiming it was built with an unidentified hard-mortar by Paul Mactire?
Created by Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk). Self nom at 08:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Unity Ranger Station
- ... that the historic Unity Ranger Station in northeastern Oregon has had a 60 foot high fire lookout tower (pictured) with a built in water tank located on the compound since 1938?
Created by Orygun (talk). Nominated by Orygun (talk) at 01:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Date, length and hook all good with offline source accepted in good faith. Not that it matters, but the article was created 30 April, not 29 April. - DustFormsWords (talk) 06:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
1958 Paraguayan general strike
- ... that over 200 Paraguayan trade union leaders were arrested by the Stroessner government in connection with a 1958 general strike?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 19:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- Cite 4 is sourced to "p" so obviously that needs to be fixed. Gatoclass (talk) 16:10, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
USS Recruit (1917)
- ... that the United States Navy built USS Recruit, a wooden battleship with wooden guns, in New York City's Union Square in 1917?
5x expanded by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 19:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
The article is only expanded to 4x, 1000 more characters to go... PleaseStand 22:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- *scratches head* Are you sure? By my count, as of this diff, there were 580 characters, and 580x5=2900. Current count is 2943 characters. - The Bushranger (talk) 22:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- My mistake in checking the expansion of the article. Approved. PleaseStand 22:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Elmer H. Inman
- ... that Elmer H. Inman married the daughter of the warden of his first prison?
Created by 72.74.196.187 (talk). Nominated by Buggie111 (talk) at 18:15, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- AGF on print source, but that is the only source cited in the article. PleaseStand 22:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- Couldn't find an online source. I think Jean LaBanta was DYK'ed with one source. Buggie111 (talk) 22:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- Jean LaBanta was not nominated for DYK; check "What links here" and there is no link from the recent additions page, neither is there a DYK banner on the talk page. What it did go through was AfC, with the single source the same as in this article. I have no problem with approving this nomination except that upon making it to the main page, it would inevitably be tagged with the {{one source}} maintenance tag. PleaseStand 01:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Banksia lemanniana, Banksia caleyi, Banksia elderiana
- ... that the flower spikes of Banksia lemanniana, Banksia caleyi and Banksia elderiana hang upside down rather than erect like most other Banksia species?
5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 14:51, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- - Good to go. 861 x 5 = 4305. This article is now 6028.Mitch32 23:02, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry Mitch, slung another one 5x'ed in for the road....Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Boronia imlayensis
- ... that Boronia imlayensis is found only on one ridgetop in Mount Imlay National Park in far southern New South Wales?
5x expanded by Poyt448 (talk), Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 13:24, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- - Good to go. 315 x 5 = 1575, this is 1907 characters. Had me worried there though counting ;) Mitch32 22:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
No. 2 Commando
- ... that the first men executed under Adolf Hitler's Commando Order were from No. 2 Commando?
--Jim Sweeney (talk) 11:09, 29 April 2010 (UTC) self nom
- Possessive apostrophe convention-Wetman (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- I think I've fixed this issue (in the article). I couldn't see where in the citation provided that it specifically stated that the men were the "first" victims. The online source does say that the men were executed under the Commando Order, but does not (unless I missed something) specifically state that they were the first victims. I have added an offline source that specifically states this. A Google Books view can confirm this source: . Another source that states this is Messenger, The Commandos: 1940-1946, p. 175, which can also be viewed in the Google books search listed previously. Cheers. — AustralianRupert (talk) 07:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- I believe that this is good to go as the date and length are fine and the hook is cited. Can someone else please confirm though? Because I was involved above in adding the citation above I am not really impartial on this matter anymore. Cheers. — AustralianRupert (talk) 11:25, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- Ready to go, offline ref AGF, all else good. Ericoides (talk) 09:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- I believe that this is good to go as the date and length are fine and the hook is cited. Can someone else please confirm though? Because I was involved above in adding the citation above I am not really impartial on this matter anymore. Cheers. — AustralianRupert (talk) 11:25, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- I think I've fixed this issue (in the article). I couldn't see where in the citation provided that it specifically stated that the men were the "first" victims. The online source does say that the men were executed under the Commando Order, but does not (unless I missed something) specifically state that they were the first victims. I have added an offline source that specifically states this. A Google Books view can confirm this source: . Another source that states this is Messenger, The Commandos: 1940-1946, p. 175, which can also be viewed in the Google books search listed previously. Cheers. — AustralianRupert (talk) 07:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Possessive apostrophe convention-Wetman (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
?Oryzomys pliocaenicus
- ... that it may not be possible to determine what ?Oryzomys pliocaenicus is?
Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 02:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Too vague, please explain. --MelanieN (talk) 05:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- That's what the article is for. Hooks are to draw readers in. Ucucha 10:39, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- Maybe "what taxon? Oryzomys pliocaenicus should be placed in" would do the trick just as well? Circéus (talk) 15:31, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- There's also a possibility that it is not referable to any known genus or species; I think your wording does not allow for that. Ucucha 15:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- I like it. It made me click on it, so it must be doing its job right. Length, date are both fine, offline ref AGF. Harrias 07:37, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- There's also a possibility that it is not referable to any known genus or species; I think your wording does not allow for that. Ucucha 15:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- Maybe "what taxon? Oryzomys pliocaenicus should be placed in" would do the trick just as well? Circéus (talk) 15:31, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- That's what the article is for. Hooks are to draw readers in. Ucucha 10:39, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
42 (song)
- ... that the title of the song "42" by Coldplay has to do with the answer to life, the universe, and everything?
5x expanded by White Shadows (talk), NerdyScienceDude (talk). Nominated by NerdyScienceDude (talk) at 00:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 28
Shi Tiesheng
- ... that Chinese writer Shi Tiesheng was paralyzed at age 21 while he was a zhiqing?
5x expanded by Larrybob (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Everybody Draw Mohammed Day
- ... that journalist Michael C. Moynihan announced he would support the protest movement Everybody Draw Mohammed Day and post his favorite entries to the Reason magazine website?
5x expanded by JohnWBarber (talk). Nominated by Cirt (talk) at 20:21, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm not entirely convinced that the notability of this event (especially as something distinct from 200 (South Park)) outweighs the distress caused to Molly Norris by continued publicisation of it, which is why I'm passing on reviewing this nom. Others are welcome to feel differently and approve it. - DustFormsWords (talk) 09:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Response: - The article Everybody Draw Mohammed Day was nominated for deletion, and had a deletion discussion specifically about its own independent notability. This was discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Everybody Draw Mohammad Day. The result was Keep. The hook is verifiable to WP:RS sources. The article is of sufficient length. The article meets the DYK criteria. The DYK should be allowed to be used. -- Cirt (talk) 12:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- The result of the deletion discussion was "keep", which settles the issue of notability as far as DYK is concerned. The article meets the other requirements for DYK, the hook is appropriately sourced, the fact can be verified at an online source. Moynihan has publicly stated his support (see ), and there doesn't appear to be any BLP issue here. Approved. cmadler (talk) 13:58, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- We just had a discussion about this in regards to the 201 article hook and it was agreed that it would not be an appropriate article to feature in DYK at this time. And now you are back touting it as a DYK submission in its own right?
- I can only repeat what I said previously - I don't believe we should feature an article on this questionable event at this time, as it smacks of promotionalism. I would support holding it over until after May 20, when there will be no question of promotionalism and there will be more information available to add to the article. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a soapbox, it's bad enough when we are featuring articles about innocuous upcoming events but for a controversial political event such as this I think it would be appropriate to pass on it. Gatoclass (talk) 14:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Gatoclass (talk · contribs) appears to be attempting to use this page as a forum to continue his failed arguments from the AFD, which resulted in Keep. The page on 201 (South Park) was successfully a DYK. This article as well also meets the criteria. The hook is factual and verifiable. The hook should be used. -- Cirt (talk) 14:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Notability is not my concern, as I think I made clear in the post above. Please respond to my point rather than make straw man arguments. Gatoclass (talk) 14:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- You made the exact same types of arguments at the AFD, where you complained about "promotion", even in the face of significant source coverage of the subject mattter by numerous secondary sources. Your arguments were addressed and dismissed by the consensus of the AFD. -- Cirt (talk) 14:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- No, the question at an AfD is whether an article meets the threshold for notability or not. The issue here at DYK is completely different. At DYK we are concerned with what is appropriate to feature on the main page, which is a totally different issue. Gatoclass (talk) 14:15, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Gatoclass, you are using the same tired complaints and arguments in both places, in an attempt to shoot down this article, first from even existing, and now from being a DYK. That smacks of WP:FORUMSHOP. -- Cirt (talk) 14:20, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Oh nonsense. Once again, please put the diversions aside and try responding to my actual point. Gatoclass (talk) 14:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Gatoclass, you are using the same tired complaints and arguments in both places, in an attempt to shoot down this article, first from even existing, and now from being a DYK. That smacks of WP:FORUMSHOP. -- Cirt (talk) 14:20, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- No, the question at an AfD is whether an article meets the threshold for notability or not. The issue here at DYK is completely different. At DYK we are concerned with what is appropriate to feature on the main page, which is a totally different issue. Gatoclass (talk) 14:15, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- You made the exact same types of arguments at the AFD, where you complained about "promotion", even in the face of significant source coverage of the subject mattter by numerous secondary sources. Your arguments were addressed and dismissed by the consensus of the AFD. -- Cirt (talk) 14:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Notability is not my concern, as I think I made clear in the post above. Please respond to my point rather than make straw man arguments. Gatoclass (talk) 14:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Gatoclass (talk · contribs) appears to be attempting to use this page as a forum to continue his failed arguments from the AFD, which resulted in Keep. The page on 201 (South Park) was successfully a DYK. This article as well also meets the criteria. The hook is factual and verifiable. The hook should be used. -- Cirt (talk) 14:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Bold text This is really the best hook anyone can think of? It seems to be little more than a tagent to the article. If I were to remove it from the article, would anyone care? Hipocrite (talk) 14:16, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, it is quite a significant fact that a notable journalist is supporting the protest movement and has announced the posting of images to the website of the magazine. -- Cirt (talk) 14:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Here - "... that threats against cartoonists Trey Parker and Matt Stone for depicting Muhammad in an episode of South Park resulted in the creation of Everybody Draw Mohammed Day?" Hipocrite (talk) 14:20, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see much wrong with the original hook but again, that is not the issue. The issue here is whether we should be touting a political campaign, particularly one which various commentators have described as insensitive and in poor taste. Gatoclass (talk) 14:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- The only objection made to linking EDMD in the hook for 201 was that EDMD was at AfD at the time. Here is the last version of this page with 201 on it. There was no agreement "that it would not be an appropriate article to feature in DYK at this time" beyond the AfD concern, which has been resolved. You are claiming consensus where none existed. Further, it appears that there is no general concern at DYK with using hooks about future events; just the other day I posted an inquiry at WT:DYK and was told that hooks about future events have been used regularly and there is no special standard or concern about them. cmadler (talk) 14:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry cmadler, but that is not in my view an accurate summation of the previous discussion. It most certainly was not only about the AfD, it was also about the appropriateness of effectively touting an upcoming political event. Furthermore, I never claimed "consensus" for my views but as the arguments I put forward were not responded to, I assumed they had been accepted. As for your comment about upcoming events, again, there is a great deal of difference between an innocuous event like a football game or a rock concert, and a political event such as this one. Gatoclass (talk) 14:34, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I must agree with Gatoclass here. By featuring this on the Main Page, we would be giving visibility to a controversial political campaign. I do not think that's appropriate. Ucucha 14:54, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Read through the previous discussion again. One user objected to the initial hook because it was too similar to the hook for 200, and you agreed. You mentioned that you thought an ALT hook was still too similar. You stated regarding EDMD that "we should at least wait until the AFD is resolved before proceeding with this one." Another ALT was suggested and you wrote "I think I'd still like to wait on the result of the AFD, because I'm concerned that if we promote an article to the front page with a link to the Everybody Draw Mohammed Day article, it may appear as if we were promoting the event." The AfD is done, so that part of your concern is answered, and as was recently pointed out on WT:DYK, we ran a hook about President Obama's inauguration weeks before it happened, and that's also a political event. cmadler (talk) 14:54, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Oh goodness me, the inauguration of a US President is light years away from an event like this. It gets absolutely massive media coverage and we could not remotely be charged with "promoting" it by covering it.
- In regards to your interpretation of my comments in the previous DYK thread, I concede it is possible that I failed to state my concerns with sufficient clarity, but I have corrected that error now. Gatoclass (talk) 15:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I won't argue that EDMD has (or will) reach a level of media coverage on par with a presidential inauguration - if that was the standard, almost nothing would meet it - but EDMD has recieved reasonably widespread media coverage, as the AfD debate noted. This is not an obscure event that Misplaced Pages is somehow in the vanguard of covering. cmadler (talk) 15:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- The more cynical part of me says if it was "Everybody Draw Jesus Day", we wouldn't be having all this skunk-wrestling over "promoting the event" via featuring the hook in DYK. As it is, my opinon is based on taking a dispassionate look at the controversy and article: controversial or not, who is or isn't involved or has withdrawn, it still exists and it's verifiable. IMHO, excluding it from DYK on the "might seem to be promoting it" grounds would be just as POV as including it to promote it. - The Bushranger (talk) 15:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you, The Bushranger, much appreciated. -- Cirt (talk) 15:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- That's a very good point, The Bushranger. It exists, it's verifiable, it meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for an article, and it appears to meet all established criteria for inclusion in DYK. Excluding it because of concerns about giving "visibility to a controversial political campaign" would be imposition of that POV. If you think there should be a special DYK rule regarding future events (that would address the concern about promotion, because promotion isn't generally a concern after the fact), then let's discuss that at WT:DYK - there's already a section started about that topic. But arguing that we shouldn't use it in DYK because it's a "controversial" future event creates a problematic standard. cmadler (talk) 15:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Well look I'm sure we have excluded articles for similar concerns in the past. I haven't time to go looking for examples though, and it's very late here and I can't stay up much longer. But I do think this issue requires more consideration, so I hope there won't be any rush to promote this before the issue has been thoroughly discussed. Gatoclass (talk) 15:46, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- That's a very good point, The Bushranger. It exists, it's verifiable, it meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for an article, and it appears to meet all established criteria for inclusion in DYK. Excluding it because of concerns about giving "visibility to a controversial political campaign" would be imposition of that POV. If you think there should be a special DYK rule regarding future events (that would address the concern about promotion, because promotion isn't generally a concern after the fact), then let's discuss that at WT:DYK - there's already a section started about that topic. But arguing that we shouldn't use it in DYK because it's a "controversial" future event creates a problematic standard. cmadler (talk) 15:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you, The Bushranger, much appreciated. -- Cirt (talk) 15:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with Ucucha above; by including this on the main page, we appear—regardless of intent—to be giving undue prominence to a current political campaign. The issue isn't "current event"—if this were a forthcoming building opening, sports fixture, rocket launch etc it wouldn't be a problem—but the fact that it has a high potential to look to an outside observer like the use of Misplaced Pages as a campaigning mechanism. – iridescent 15:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Continuing that logic, though, in reductio ad absurdum fashion, no article about a product or service should ever be in DYK, because it could look to an outside observer like the use of Misplaced Pages to endorse that product or service. It should be rembered that Misplaced Pages is not censored, and that Misplaced Pages does not avoid a topic out of sympathy for a particular point of view. Now, with that said, if a consensus forms that this should be held back for concern of it being perceived as political-POV, then that should be made a guideline, and it would need to be stuck to for all articles about "controversial political (or religious) campaigns" seeking inclusion in DYK. The law of unintended consequences should be kept well in mind while considering this. - The Bushranger (talk) 18:15, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- This is silly. We have an article created in the relevant timeframe, which was kept at AfD against the very concerns raised here, and we're not talking all-day featured article box promotion, we're talking a line at DYK, the same coverage we give to porn stars and the like. I support its inclusion, and question the political agenda of those who are creating such a ruckus in here about it. Orderinchaos 19:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- AFD is about notability, not about putting an article on the front page. You have as much right to question my political agenda as I have to question the political agenda of those who are creating such a ruckus to get this article on the Main Page (i.e., none, if that is unclear to you). Ucucha 19:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- The very first comment here objected to DYK on the grounds of notability. Others then agreed. Notability, however, had been established at AfD. That was my point. Orderinchaos 19:51, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- We've moved on since; Gatoclass, Iridescent, and I have brought up a different argument. No one is still arguing that it is not notable, so there's no reason to argue that it is. Ucucha 19:54, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Answer me this though - does this mean every time we have a porn star on DYK (it happens often), we're "promoting" them as opposed to, I don't know, other porn stars or something? Orderinchaos 19:55, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Porn stars simply do their work to make money and because people buy the product. It's no different than someone who works on an assembly line putting automobiles together. The event being discussed is not a job. It's a political/religious event intended to anger the other side. Sorry, but you are comparing apples to oranges. – VisionHolder « talk » 20:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I realize I read your question too quickly (and incorrectly). Anyway, porn stars are synonymous with other types of celebrities. I think the example pushes the reasoning of "promotion" too far. Anyway, let's not let this discussion digress. Wiki is not a is not a forum. As I said above, this article is not about a product, but a political/religious event intended to anger people. The comparison is still not appropriate. – VisionHolder « talk » 22:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- No, Visionholder, that's just factually incorrect: neither the cartoonist, nor the major promoters of EDMD have said that they intended to anger people -- in fact, they've said the opposite (and not just the cartoonist, but I think nearly all the others). -- JohnWBarber (talk) 01:11, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- According to the article, the idea is that if a lot of people depict Mohammed, the terrorists can't possibly kill all of them. ("Norris said that if millions of people draw pictures of Muhammad, Islamist terrorists would not be able to murder them all, and threats to do so would become unrealistic.") It's a form of protest that openly flaunts something that another religious group finds offensive. They know they are going to anger people, but the idea is that if everyone does it, individuals can't be targeted. Whether it's a protest or not, and whether or not its in support of free speech, the people involved know that their actions will offend a specific group of people. It doesn't matter if they feel it shouldn't. – VisionHolder « talk » 01:23, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- It's a form of protest that openly flaunts something that another religious group finds offensive. We do that all the time, in some ways. Certain Muslims don't want any human beings doing certain things that the rest of us feel should be done. Women walking around in public without burqas may also offend the same people for the same theological reasons. There were always two different Islamic objections to depictions of Muhammad: One was that he was being depicted at all, the other that he was being depicted in an insulting way. The cartoonist pointed out that she didn't actually depict Muhammad, and she didn't appear to advocate that he be depicted in insulting ways (although that sounds very naive, since she reasonably would know some people would be insulting to Muhammad, but she can't control that in any event and can't be responsible for that; she might've asked people to be respectful, but there's a slapdash quality to everything she drew, said and did at the start of this). They know they are going to anger people -- that's a helluva lot different from doing something in order to anger people. There are often justifiable reasons for doing things that we know will anger others. (That's often what's at the center of any controversy, and we have a lot of articles on controversies.) There are hardly any reasons for doing something with the intention of angering others. There's a big, big difference between those two things. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 02:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- According to the article, the idea is that if a lot of people depict Mohammed, the terrorists can't possibly kill all of them. ("Norris said that if millions of people draw pictures of Muhammad, Islamist terrorists would not be able to murder them all, and threats to do so would become unrealistic.") It's a form of protest that openly flaunts something that another religious group finds offensive. They know they are going to anger people, but the idea is that if everyone does it, individuals can't be targeted. Whether it's a protest or not, and whether or not its in support of free speech, the people involved know that their actions will offend a specific group of people. It doesn't matter if they feel it shouldn't. – VisionHolder « talk » 01:23, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- No, Visionholder, that's just factually incorrect: neither the cartoonist, nor the major promoters of EDMD have said that they intended to anger people -- in fact, they've said the opposite (and not just the cartoonist, but I think nearly all the others). -- JohnWBarber (talk) 01:11, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Answer me this though - does this mean every time we have a porn star on DYK (it happens often), we're "promoting" them as opposed to, I don't know, other porn stars or something? Orderinchaos 19:55, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- We've moved on since; Gatoclass, Iridescent, and I have brought up a different argument. No one is still arguing that it is not notable, so there's no reason to argue that it is. Ucucha 19:54, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- The very first comment here objected to DYK on the grounds of notability. Others then agreed. Notability, however, had been established at AfD. That was my point. Orderinchaos 19:51, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with the points made by Gatoclass, Ucucha, Iridescent and VisionHolder above. --JN466 00:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- AFD is about notability, not about putting an article on the front page. You have as much right to question my political agenda as I have to question the political agenda of those who are creating such a ruckus to get this article on the Main Page (i.e., none, if that is unclear to you). Ucucha 19:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Rather than avoiding controversial subjects as DYK material, why not just treat articles about them as we would treat any other article, controversial or not? If DYK bullets are going to avoid controversy, by the way, the featured articles and news articles are going to continue to be edgy. Wasn't Super Columbine Massacre RPG! featured on the main page? And according to this discussion , we had something about "Boobquakes" on the main page. I'm sympathetic to the idea that we shouldn't be offending religious sensibilities of millions of people. But some subjects will offend some people, so we can't avoid doing it all the time, anyway. I don't think there's a case to be made that this is particularly more offensive (there's nothing inherently offensive about pictures of Mohammed, which could be respectful artwork, unless you take an ultra-fundamentalist view that some hadiths about idolizing Muhammad with images mean that no one, anywhere can create an image for any reason, and if we're going to avoid offending people with that POV, we're going to be avoiding a lot of other things they don't want us to do). If the main page had a policy of avoiding controversy and offense to vocal minorities, I'd accept that, but I don't think this subject should be treated differently from other controversial topics. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 01:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- I want to state clearly that I oppose censoring Wiki. Controversial topics, such as porn stars or depictions of Mohammed, should be represented on Wiki, even on the main page. As long as a hook that is as neutral as possible, stating clearly that it offends a specific religion, I don't have a big problem with it. Another option would be to delay the DYK in this specific case until after May 20 so that there is no question about whether or not Wiki is promoting it. When the event is over and done with, and if the hook is truly neutral, there shouldn't be a problem. Anyway, I'm now bowing out of this debate. Whatever happens, happens. My $0.02+ have been shared. Best wishes to both sides. – VisionHolder « talk » 01:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- How about running it in DYK on May 20? That would seem to be a reasonable compromise, I'd think. - The Bushranger Return fire 02:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Multiple editors have verified the hook, and confirmed that it meets the DYK criteria. It should not be delayed for reasons of perceived "promotion" that are simply not there. -- Cirt (talk) 02:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry to have started this whole discussion. For myself, I never implied we shouldn't feature it, just that I myself, having visited Molly Norris' page, found that my interest in Misplaced Pages neutrality was less than my interest in not causing further distress to someone who didn't ask to be a celebrity, and for that reason I was ignoring a DYK that I'd otherwise be reviewing. I only commented because I felt ignoring a hook I'd otherwise review without explaining why wasn't fair on the nominator. It was a vote of conscience, and I'm not at all bothered with (as I assumed would be the case) someone else feeling differently and deciding to approve it. As people have pointed out, DYK isn't the place for arguing notability or Misplaced Pages policy and if the article complies with the DYK rules it should be approved. - DustFormsWords (talk) 02:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- While I think the principle I originally espoused is a sound one, that we should avoid doing anything that might smack of advocacy, on reflection I think the cat is already out of the bag on this one, it's been discussed on NPR and even academics are now weighing in. The article is also well written and NPOV, so I think I will drop my opposition to its promotion, although I would still prefer the original hook proposed by Cirt rather than the ALT, which is too similar to another hook we already ran IMO. Gatoclass (talk) 02:19, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you, Gatoclass. And thank you also for your kind words about the significant amount of work that has gone into this article. It is much appreciated. :) -- Cirt (talk) 02:22, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Ditto Cirt. I agree with Gatoclass that the initial hook is preferred to the ALT, and if someone has a specific problem with the initial hook, or has a better one in mind, I think we could look at that. cmadler (talk) 11:37, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- I think the Salomonic solution is to run the hook after May 20. This avoids the perception that Misplaced Pages is promoting the event. Would that be acceptable to everyone? --JN466 09:02, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Common practice at DYK is to run articles when they are relatively new or recently expanded. When an article has a connection to a specific date, we often hold the hook for that date, and so I don't see a problem with running a hook for EDMD on 5/20. However, I don't think we should hold it for after 5/20, because that is clearly outside the normal DYK practice, unless you are suggesting that we change that practice for all hooks dealing with expected future events (and I don't think you'd find consensus for such a change). cmadler (talk) 11:37, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Running it on 5/20 would fit established practice and is fine with me (in fact, I suggested it earlier). Running it after 5/20...is what all of ^that^ was all about...so, no, no support there (or for the overall change). Running it on the date in question makes the most sense and is consistent with (good) precedent. - The Bushranger Return fire 17:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Common practice at DYK is to run articles when they are relatively new or recently expanded. When an article has a connection to a specific date, we often hold the hook for that date, and so I don't see a problem with running a hook for EDMD on 5/20. However, I don't think we should hold it for after 5/20, because that is clearly outside the normal DYK practice, unless you are suggesting that we change that practice for all hooks dealing with expected future events (and I don't think you'd find consensus for such a change). cmadler (talk) 11:37, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Multiple editors have verified the hook, and confirmed that it meets the DYK criteria. It should not be delayed for reasons of perceived "promotion" that are simply not there. -- Cirt (talk) 02:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Comment - Repeated subject matter in DYK of any kind is annoying. We get it, some non-Muslim Americans and the like find it silly that Muslims get so upset over a cartoon; but it's undeniably important for the conservative ones. However, I don't believe we should censor, it is not our job to ensure that all articles featured on the Main page meet everyones' approval.
Besides, just run it already, no one will even remember two weeks from now about it. - Theornamentalist (talk) 19:11, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Edward Wingfield Humphreys
- ... that although he was a squatter, Edward Wingfield Humphreys (pictured) had decidedly liberal beliefs, and one of his best friends used to jokingly taunt him with being a 'beastly radical'?
- Comment: The article was created in user spaced and moved into mainspace on 28 April 2010. Previously a double-nomination with Frederic Jones.
Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 10:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 16:45, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Ernie Zampese
- ... that John Madden said Ernie Zampese, coach of the leading pass offense in the NFL six times in seven years, "very well may be the top offensive mind in the game"?
5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 23:09, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Hermogenes (magister officiorum)
- ... that the magister officiorum Hermogenes was joint commander with the famous general Belisarius at the Byzantine victory in the Battle of Dara?
Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 19:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- The article is long and new enough, and I verified the fact through google books; it appears in plenty of them. (This is my first DYK check; I'm not sure what, if anything else I need to do afterward.) Pcap ping 19:06, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Ignace Bourget
- ... that as well as being Bishop of Montreal, Ignace Bourget (pictured) was also bishop of the titular see of Telmesse and archbishop of the titular see of Martianopolis?
5x expanded by DustFormsWords (talk). Nominated by DustFormsWords (talk) at 07:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Gahnia aspera
- ... that Australian aborigines ground the red berries of the Rough Saw-sedge to make flour?
Created by Casliber (talk), Poyt448 (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 21:25, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- Dates are good and over 1500 characters of prose. AGF of offline source. --Allen3 23:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
1903 Turkey earthquake
- ... that the 1903 Turkey earthquake killed 3,500 humans and 20,000 animals and registered a magnitude of 7.0?
Created by Ceranthor (talk). Nominated by Ceranthor (talk) at 22:55, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Creation date and length are OK. However there are multiple problems with the hook. (1) Inline citation needs to appear in the article directly after the hook rather than (as currently) at the end of the paragraph. (2) The source for the hook is this page from the US Geological Service, and although the USGS would generally be a reliable source, it does not appear that this particular page is intended to be particularly reliable or scholarly. (3) The source doesn't support "more than" 20,000 animals, only "around" 20,000 animals. (4) The fact "listed as one of the world's deadliest earthquakes" does not appear in the article. (5) The source for the "deadliest earthquake" statement appears to be the same USGS page, which doesn't "list" the quake as anything, and merely suggests that in the opinion of USGS it is "one of the world's deadliest earthquakes". Let me know on my talk page if these are addressed and I'll revisit this one. - DustFormsWords (talk) 05:33, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed all but 2. In fact, Quake History is arguably the most reliable resource for less well-known earthquakes of historic times. I think it is a fine resource and there's nothing to indicate that it isn't reliable. USGS is always reliable I have found. ceranthor 21:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- That sounds reasonable. Thank you for the improvements, the hook is now good to go! - DustFormsWords (talk) 21:55, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Gregory Henriquez
- ... that architect Gregory Henriquez designed the central stair in the redevelopment of Woodward's building in Vancouver like a giant umbilical cord, symbolising the rebirth of the site?
5x expanded by Mbtso (talk). Nominated by Fayenatic london (talk) at 18:28, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Five Daughters
- ... that the five victims of the Ipswich serial murders is the subject of the 2010 BBC One drama serial Five Daughters?
Created by Jim Michael (talk). Nominated by TheRetroGuy (talk) at 01:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- I created this as a disambig page on 28 April then expanded it after Jim Michael started it as an article, so he deserves some of the credit. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 01:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Royal Columbian Hospital
- ... that the Royal Columbian Hospital, the oldest hospital in British Columbia, was built in 1862 during a Gold Rush for $3,396 by the Corps of Royal Engineers
Created by Canuckle (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Iura novit curia
- ... that civil law courts are said to know the law, while common law courts do not?
Created by Sandstein (talk). Nominated by Sandstein (talk) at 18:05, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 (less flippant but much more boring): ... that it is said that the legal maxim of iura novit curia applies in civil law systems but not in common law systems? Sandstein 18:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- Comment - I'd favour ALT1 if only because "civil law court" and "court in the civil law system" don't mean the same thing; common law systems can have courts that deal exclusively with the civil law jurisdictions of tort and equity. - DustFormsWords (talk) 12:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Then maybe: "... that courts in civil law legal systems are said to know the law, while courts in common law systems do not? Sandstein 12:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- Actually both these hooks are problematic both because of the passive voice ("it is said", "are said to") and on a factual basis, as the article goes on to explain that, well, maybe this maxim DOESN'T actually apply to civil law systems. Do you want to try some more alts maybe? - DustFormsWords (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I understand your objection. The article doesn't say that the maxim doesn't apply to civil law systems. It just says that the clear-cut distiction "civil law: yes, common law: no" is exaggerated, because the principle is subject to exceptions in the first case and somewhat applies in certain situations in the second case. But that distinction is, I believe, too subtle to encapsulate in a hook.
- At any rate, here's a safe but boring hook: "... that where the legal maxim of iura novit curia applies, the parties to a legal dispute do not need to plead or prove the law that applies to their case?" Sandstein 12:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Bykenhulle
- ... that Bykenhulle (pictured) in East Fishkill, New York, was known as Ivy Hall until 1929, when new owners renamed it after the Dutch spelling of their name?
- ALT1:... that the hunting lodge at Bykenhulle (pictured) in East Fishkill, New York, can be entered only by turning a carved liquor bottle on the door to "pour" into a nearby shot glass, revealing a peephole?
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 17:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Milecastle 8
- ... that Milecastle 8 of Hadrian's Wall lies beneath the A69 dual carriageway?
Created by Dumelow (talk). Self nom at 23:57, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- Date, length and hook check out, so technically it's good to go. I'd comment, though that (a) the article relies almost entirely on a single source, which isn't exactly the most excellent source I've ever seen, and (b) the hook's more than a little dull. - DustFormsWords (talk) 03:20, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Malik Zulu Shabazz
A tall Black man dressed in black
- ... that Malik Zulu Shabazz (pictured), the leader of the New Black Panther Party, was given the "Young Lawyer of the Year" award by the U.S. National Bar Association?
Created by Malik Shabazz (talk). Self nom at 23:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- I have some WP:BLP concerns with this article as written: a wholly negative opinion is one of the three sentences in the lead. I'm not convinced it should go onto the main page. Pcap ping 19:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- CTM. When I wrote the article, I was afraid I was sugar-coating Shabazz. Much of what has been written about him is pretty negative. Even the source that mentions the "Young Lawyer" award prefaces it by saying "Remarkably, in 1998, Shabazz was named 'Young Lawyer of the Year'".
- According to WP:LEDE, the opening section "should define the topic, establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points—including any notable controversies." Shabazz may be best known for being a racist and an antisemite. If that disqualifies him from being a DYK, so be it. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 19:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Oryzomys
- ... that the number of species in the rodent genus Oryzomys (pictured) was reduced from 43 to five in 2006?
5x expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 22:07, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Burnham-on-Sea Low lighthouse, Burnham-on-Sea High Lighthouse, Burnham-on-Sea Round Tower
... that Burnham-on-Sea has three lighthouses; the Round Tower, High Lighthouse and Low lighthouse (pictured), but only the smallest is still operating?
Created by Rodw (talk). Nominated by Rodw (talk) at 20:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1... that Burnham-on-Sea has had three lighthouses; the Round Tower, High Lighthouse and Low lighthouse (pictured), but only the smallest is still operating?
- Add "had" to the hook. Sourced here and here-- Esemono (talk) 08:47, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 is fine by me.— Rod 08:53, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Trongsa Dzong
- ... that by the 19th century, the penlops, ruling from Trongsa Dzong (pictured), had become so powerful that Trongsa had effectively become the capital of Bhutan, but never officially so?
5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), John Hill (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 19:36, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
St. John's Catholic Church (Delphos, Ohio)
... that St. John's Catholic Church (pictured) in Delphos is a rare Romanesque Revival church among the predominantly Gothic Revival churches of western Ohio?
- ALT1 ...that the Romanesque Revival St. John's Catholic Church (pictured) fills an entire city block in Delphos, Ohio?
5x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 13:11, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- Date and length check out, and image is appropriately labelled and has appropriate free use rationale, but the hook isn't supported by sources. Specifically, although the sources support that churches in western Ohio are predominantly Gothic Revival, and that St John's is Romanesque revival, there is no inline citation provided for the proposition that St John's is (as the article states) "unique", or (as the hook words it) rare. - DustFormsWords (talk) 08:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- If most churches in the region are one style, by definition a church of another style must be rare. That's the focus of the hook; it's directly supported by citation 5. The "unique" bit is concentrating on the size of the church and its style together, and it's referenced by citation 2. There's no need to place a citation after a sentence when it and the following sentence are sourced by the same citation, and I really don't see why you believe it to be a significant issue when it's not related to the DYK nomination. Nyttend (talk) 13:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, that's original research, and, more importantly, not logically valid. If 51 out of 100 cars are red, and 49 are blue, then "most cars are red is true" but "blue cars are rare" is not the logical result. Try another hook? As for citations, please see DYK Selection Criterion #3: "The hook fact must be cited in the article with an inline citation, since inline citations are used to support specific statements in an article. The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." - DustFormsWords (talk) 22:01, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Then go with "that the cathedral-like St. John's Catholic Church (pictured) fills an entire city block in Delphos, Ohio?". By the way, please notice that your opinion of this criterion is not so commonly observed; three of my last four DYKs — Odd Fellows' Cemetery Mound, McClelland Homestead, and Gatch Site — had their hooks passed without problems despite failing your interpretation. Nyttend (talk) 22:37, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not a fan of that hook, either. A church either is a Cathedral or it is not- the term has nothing to do with architecture and everything to do with whether a Bishop has his cathedra there. Replace "cathedral-like" with "Romanesque Revival" and it would be fine, IMO. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:43, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Very well, "that the Romanesque Revival St. John's Catholic Church (pictured) fills an entire city block in Delphos, Ohio?" Nyttend (talk) 02:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Accepting in good faith that the offline source supports the hook, I can now see no problems with the article and it is good to go. Thanks for your perserverance, Nyttend, and congratulations on another solid article! I've added the final (accepted) wording as ALT1 at the top of the discussion. - DustFormsWords (talk) 03:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
De Sweachmermolen, Langweer
- ... that De Sweachmermolen (pictured) in Langweer, the Netherlands is the only combined drainage and corn mill in Friesland?
Created by Mjroots (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 08:22, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
A.C.E. mixture
- ... that following the wide usage of A.C.E. mixture as an anesthetic, one doctor found patients were more relaxed when he used Eau de Cologne & chloroform for dental operations?
Created by Captain-n00dle (talk). Self nom at 19:20, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- Would this also be suitable to feature here: Portal:Medicine and/or Portal:Pharmacology? (This made me notice that one of the current DYKs on this portal references a deleted article.) Regards, Captain n00dle\ 11:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 27
Cordyline australis
- ... that New Zealand's indigenous Māori people used the cabbage tree Cordyline australis for food, medicine, and to make strong ropes like those used for morere swings (pictured)?
- ALT1:... that New Zealand's cabbage tree Cordyline australis bears 5,000-10,000 flowers (pictured) on each panicle?
Over 10x expanded by Kahuroa (talk). Nominated by Avenue (talk) at 00:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Dates and expansion are good. AGF of offline sources. --Allen3 20:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- I find the first hook (which I amended to italicise the brackets) much more interesting (especially in conjunction with the picture) than ALT1. It's a shame that one can't see the swing any better in this size picture. Schwede66 06:22, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for fixing that; my mistake. I've fixed the other one too. --Avenue (talk) 11:31, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh Eun-Sun
... that in April 2010 Korean mountaineer Oh Eun-Sun was credited as the first woman to summit all 14 eight-thousanders, the world's tallest mountain peaks.
- ... that in April 2010 Korean mountaineer Oh Eun-Sun became first woman to summit all 14 eight-thousanders, the world's tallest mountain peaks.
- Comment: I have chosen the slightly awkward "was credited" wording because the accomplishment is under dispute. This is just for precautionary reasons, though, as all relevant authorities currently acknowledge the record and the press has widely reported it as having occurred.
5x expanded by ThaddeusB (talk). Self nom at 22:20, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- Cautious wording is no longer necessary. Hawley, considered the final authority on such matters, has said that the record counts. --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 14:22, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- 5x, hook verified. -Atmoz (talk) 17:42, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Hadley Richardson
- ... that Hadley Richardson, Ernest Hemingway's first wife, was actually named Elizabeth Hadley Richardson?
Created/expanded by Truthkeeper88 (talk). Nominated by Truthkeeper88 (talk) at 20:07, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Date, length, and hook okay. The hook is pretty boring though, what about an alternative? Hekerui (talk) 20:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1:...that Hadley Richardson, Ernest Hemingway's first wife, lost a suitcase of his early manuscripts in a Paris train station in 1922?
- ALT2:...that Hadley Richardson, was the first of Ernest Hemingway's four wives?
- ALT3:...that Hadley Richardson, Ernest Hemingway's first wife, was eight years older than he?
- ALT1a:...that a suitcase containing Ernest Hemingway's early manuscripts was lost by his wife Hadley Richardson in a Paris train station in 1922? Canuckle (talk) 07:50, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1a is fine, but I've removed the word "several of" as she purportedly had all of his early manuscripts in the suitcase. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 19:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Murphy Nicholas Xavier Pakiam
- ... that Murphy Nicholas Xavier Pakiam, the archbishop of the Archdiocese of Kuala Lumpur, surmounted the Malaysian government's ban on the use of the word Allah by non-Muslims, on constitutional grounds?
5x expanded by SMasters (talk). Nominated by SMasters (talk) at 10:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- Dates, lengths, and sources all look good. The verb quashed however does not fit the facts presented by the article as only a government official has the power to strike down a government ban. The terms overcame or surmounted better fit the archbishop's role as a victorious plaintiff in a legal dispute. --Allen3 19:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for taking time to review this. Having re-looked at this, you are right. It is actually the High Court that quashed the ban. I agree with changing it to surmounted. -- S Masters (talk) 22:26, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Hook changed as indicated above. Good to go. --Allen3 23:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Wood Siding railway station
- ... that Wood Siding railway station was fitted with a ladder to allow the station porter to see approaching trains?
- Comment: Well, I think it's interesting, or at the very least surreal enough to be potentially interesting. Your mileage may vary. – iridescent 21:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 21:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- Dates and expansion both good. AGF of offline sources. --Allen3 20:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
R v Bow Street Metropolitan Stipendiary Magistrate Ex parte Pinochet Ugarte (No.1)
- ...that the House of Lords took the unprecedented decision to set aside R v Bow Street Metropolitan Stipendiary Magistrate Ex parte Pinochet Ugarte (No.1) because of concerns a judge could have been biased?
Created by Francium12 (talk). Nominated by Francium12 (talk) at 05:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 26
Joseph M. Breitenbeck
- ... that Joseph Breitenbeck was sued by a parish church with a Spanish name because he advocated English masses and sold a bishop's home so he could live in a private residence?
Created by Tajm (talk). Nominated by Morenooso (talk) at 03:13, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Khulda
- ... that the Palestinian Arab village of Khulda (pictured), depopulated and destroyed during the 1948 Palestine war, had a history that stretched back to the period of the Crusades?
5x expanded by Huldra (talk), Tiamut (talk), Zero0000 (talk). Nominated by Tiamut (talk) at 13:24, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Coronation Street: 40th anniversary live episode
- ... that Prince Charles made a cameo appearance in a live episode of British soap opera Coronation Street to celebrate the show's 40th anniversary in 2000?
Created by TheRetroGuy (talk). Nominated by TheRetroGuy (talk) at 01:33, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- I know DYK looks for a ref in each paragraph, but lead and plot are not currently referenced. I notice a lead shouldn't be referenced and a lot of film/TV plots are unreferenced. I hope this is all right for DYK. Let me know if it isn't and I'll add some references. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 01:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Samuel Thomas Alexander, William Patterson Alexander
- ... that co-founder of the Alexander & Baldwin corporation Samuel Thomas Alexander, son of missionary to Hawaii W. P. Alexander, died on the Zambezi River?
- ALT1:... that William Patterson Alexander (pictured), born in Paris, Kentucky in 1805, took two trips to the Marquesas Islands before settling as a missionary in the Kingdom of Hawaii for 50 years?
- Comment: single or double, both articles are new
Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 00:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Roger Pinto Molina
- ... that Bolivian right-wing senator Roger Pinto Molina owns 3,269 hectars of land in Porvenir?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 02:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- I dunno, seems a tad bland. Not quite punchy enough. Can another hook be scrounged up?--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 22:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Well, the obvious, more spicy hook would center around something like "that Bolivian right-wing senator Roger Pinto Molina was accused of involvement in the 2008 Porvenir Massacre?". However, I suppose that would be a bit problematic considering that DYK hooks generally shouldn't focus on negative BLP material. --Soman (talk) 02:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Shippen Street (Weehawken)
- ... that Shippen Street in Weehawken, New Jersey has been called the "Lombard Street of the East Coast" because of its double hairpin turns?
Created by User:Theornamentalist (User_talk:Theornamentalist). Self nom at 22:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- ALT 1...that 3 deaths in the late 19th century at the steps of Shippen Street led to its nickname, the Haunted "Steps of Weehawken"?
- Comment - Re ALT1, there are two problems. One is that the article says "mid to late" rather than late, and the second is that one of the three deaths being counted is an unborn child. Can I propose the following ALT instead? - DustFormsWords (talk) 10:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT2 ...that a series of deaths in the mid to late 19th century at the steps of Shippen Street led to its nickname, the Haunted "Steps of Weehawken"?
- Comment - Re ALT2, that hook is better, the one I had would suggest that life definitively existed before birth. Good catch, thank you! - Theornamentalist (talk) 12:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Hoya Saxa
- ... that Hoya Saxa is the Georgetown University school cheer, and has been used by students at sporting events since the 1890s or earlier (students pictured)?
5x expanded by Patrickneil (talk). Self nom at 20:59, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Danish Society for Nature Conservation
... that the Danish Society for Nature Conservation's journal Natur og Miljø has a circulation of around 160,000?
Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Nominated by Moonraker2 (talk) at 16:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
If the circulation were strikingly high, not merely respectable. Bruce Swanson 03:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- Striking comment from inexperienced reviewer, see WT:DYK#Editor rejecting many DYK nominations. rʨanaɢ (talk) 04:31, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- On this one, I must concur; this hook is pretty dull. Anything more interesting? (For the record, the length and date are fine). Bradjamesbrown (talk) 04:45, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Suggest possible alt hook: ErinM (talk) 19:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1:...that the Danish Society for Nature Conservation began campaigning against litter in 1912 with the slogan "Sandwich wrappers and egg shells don't look pretty in forest pools!"?
That's a better hook, and I've found better citations for it. Moonraker2 (talk) 22:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
JD Roberto
- ... that JD Roberto's first TV appearance involved nearly being run over by Urkel on the sitcom Family Matters?
Created by Hankranker (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 01:16, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Nothing whatsoever about that in an article which needs a gazillion copyedits. Dahn (talk) 01:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Agree, the hook is not mentioned in the article. Also, while the article is technically (just about) long enough, most of it is just names of TV shows and it's not the kind of thing we want to have on the Main Page in my opinion. BigDom 17:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Apparently no one let Chzz know there was a problem with his nomination; I've left a message for him now and hopefully he'll stop by and clear this up. - DustFormsWords (talk) 00:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 25
Juan Mateos
- ... that Juan Mateos was the founder of Gibraltar's first hospital (pictured) which remained on the same site and served the people of Gibraltar for almost four and a half centuries?
Created by Ecemaml (talk), Gibmetal77 (talk). Nominated by Gibmetal77 (talk) at 23:09, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- Plagiarism/close paraphrasing issues. An example is from the first sentence of the Gibraltar's first hospital section which reads "In 1567 Mateos underwent a profound change of heart having being affected by the sorry sight of the many ill seamen left stranded in Gibraltar after voyages to the New World (many of whom suffered from a virulent form of syphilis), as well as by the plight of the poor sick of the town.". The corresponding sentence from the cited source reads "Yet in 1567 Mateos seems to have undergone a sudden change of heart, having been particularly affected by the sorry sight of the many sick seamen left stranded in Gibraltar after voyages to the New World as well as by the plight of the poor sick of the town." --Allen3 22:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- I've reworked the whole section. Hope now it's OK (my fault by the first version, I wasn't quite careful). --Ecemaml (talk) 10:03, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- I've also reviewed it. Hopefully it's now good to go. Thanks. --Gibmetal 77 11:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Hays Hall
- ... that after Hays Hall at Washington & Jefferson College was closed in 1968, its residents were moved to the nearby The George Washington Hotel?
- ALT1:... that after Hays Hall at Washington & Jefferson College was closed in 1968, its residents were moved to the nearby The George Washington Hotel, along with the house mother?
Created by GrapedApe (talk). Nominated by GrapedApe (talk) at 04:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Comment This is frankly a pretty dull hook IMO; there must be something better, maybe the fact that it was built in 1901, or that it was the first dormitory of the College. Incidentally, I was baffled by the fact that the article is named Hays Hall and the hall is supposedly named after Rutherford B. Hays, but the name of the building is consistently spelled Hayes Hall in the article. Is there some interesting story there, or just an error? --MelanieN (talk) 23:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, it's named after college president George P. Hays. (I fixed the Hayes misspelling, which was my bad).
- So basically all the information in this article (for example, supposedly named after Rutherford B. Hayes, now corrected to George P. Hays) may or may not be correct - because the entire article is cited to a source which is not available for us to read? We try to WP:assume good faith here, but this seems like kind of a stretch. --MelanieN (talk) 05:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- I don't know what you're talking about. First, the article NEVER had anything about Rutherford B. Hays. Second, both sources ARE available to read. I have no idea what you're talking about.--GrapedApe (talk) 05:54, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- My bad. For some reason the computer I was using last night would not go to the link; it didn't even look like a link. But it's OK on this computer. Sorry. --MelanieN (talk) 14:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- OK, but that doesn't explain why you said that the article was "supposedly named after Rutherford B. Hayes," which was NEVER the case. Then you implied that one shouldn't assume good faith. What gives?--GrapedApe (talk) 15:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- ALT2:... that Hays Hall at Washington & Jefferson College was designed by noted architect Frederick J. Osterling?
- ALT3:... that Hays Hall, the first dormitory at Washington & Jefferson College, was designed by noted architect Frederick J. Osterling?
Physician to the President
- ... that the White House Doctor (Connie Mariano pictured) is essentially the “shadow” of the President of the United States?
Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Now, that cannot possibly be the job description! Dahn (talk) 01:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- *At any rate, the article needs more in-line citations, especially one after the hook fact. Adm. Mariano's article, while not recent enough to be eligible, is in decent enough shape, and the picture is PD. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 07:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not even sure about the title. Per this latest release and this article, the official title of the position seems to be "Physician to the President." I haven't looked much further but it seems like the article is mixing in the idea of unofficial and official positions and needs a lot of cleanup. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:00, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think "essentially" is the looked-for word: it's rather like saying "literally the shadow...".--Wetman (talk) 18:35, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Per discussion above, ALT 1: ... that the Physician to the President (Connie Mariano pictured) is literally the shadow of the President of the United States? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:12, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- Also did my best to address other items mentioned above within in the article. Any help will be appreciated in improving the article further. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:12, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- I think you (AnakngAraw) misunderstood Wetman's point. The Physician to the President is not literally the shadow to the POTUS; only a shadow is a shadow. She is metaphorically a shadow to the POTUS (because she is not actually his shadow, but she follows him closely, much as a shadow does), but I think a whole different phrasing is needed here. cmadler (talk) 12:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- Open to suggestions. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:19, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- How about a hook on the Physician to the President and the Air Force One operating table? I can't think of the best way to phrase it, but it would spare us the ambiguities of shadow metaphors. Or, if not, consider going with something like "has been called the 'shadow' of the President" (a metaphor is still a metaphor). Personally, I don't think the latter option is the coolest: it may be that thousands of people with hundreds of jobs have been called "shadows" of US Presidents by one voice or another, throughout history. Dahn (talk) 13:56, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- Open to suggestions. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:19, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- I think you (AnakngAraw) misunderstood Wetman's point. The Physician to the President is not literally the shadow to the POTUS; only a shadow is a shadow. She is metaphorically a shadow to the POTUS (because she is not actually his shadow, but she follows him closely, much as a shadow does), but I think a whole different phrasing is needed here. cmadler (talk) 12:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- Also did my best to address other items mentioned above within in the article. Any help will be appreciated in improving the article further. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:12, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- Per discussion above, ALT 1: ... that the Physician to the President (Connie Mariano pictured) is literally the shadow of the President of the United States? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:12, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- ALT 2: ... that the Physician to the President (Connie Mariano pictured) has been called the "shadow" who monitors the health of the US President?
- ALT 3: ... that the White House Doctor is a book that tackles Rear Admiral Connie Mariano's (pictured) experiences as the Physician to three US Presidents?
- ALT 4: ... that Air Force One is equipped with an operating table for emergency use by the Physician to the President (Connie Mariano pictured)?
- ALT 5: ... that the Physician to the President (Connie Mariano pictured) is metaphorically the "shadow" of the President of the United States?
- ALT 2, 3, 4 and 5 provided. - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:13, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- ALT4 checks out date, length and source. I have not reviewed the other alts but I feel this is the most appropriate and interesting one in any case. - DustFormsWords (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 24
Baltic states under Soviet rule
- ... that during the years under Soviet rule, the Baltic republics received massive Russian minority?
Created/expanded by User:Peltimikko (talk). Self nom at 17:14, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that during the years under Soviet rule, the Baltic republics received massive Russian minority populations?
- ALT2 ... that during the years under Soviet rule, the Baltic republics had massive Russian immigration?
- The hook facts, as stated, are not backed up by the article. While it does say that Estonia and Latvia "received large-scale immigration of industrial workers for other parts of the Soviet Union" it does not specify Russian immigration. It further points out that in Lithuania "the drop was only 4 percent" which is hardly "massive" in terms of a population shift. Also, this article needs a solid polish by a native speaker of English before it could be promoted. - Dravecky (talk) 03:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT3 ... that the Forest Brothers, or Baltic insurgency groups, fought Soviet rule of the Baltic States for a number of years?
- ALT4 ... that the Forest Brothers fought Soviet rule of the Baltic States for a number of years? -- Esemono (talk) 06:36, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- ALT5 ... that in order to maintain Soviet rule over the Baltic States the Soviet Union launched a failed invasion of Lithuania and Latvia in January 1991?
Gjønnes
- ... that the school opened at Gjønnes in 2004 was moved from Nadderud, where it had been established in 1958 with the intention of existing only five years?
Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 22:11, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- - not online or in English. Tick Victuallers (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Staurakios (eunuch)
- ... that although as a eunuch, the powerful Byzantine official Staurakios was barred from the imperial throne, he nevertheless plotted to become Byzantine Emperor?
- Comment: ALT hook suggestions welcome.
Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 13:24, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- ref 24 covers this. Not sure why this took so long to approve. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 18:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Carmen González
- ... that Carmen González made it to the final round of Season 2, Top Chef Masters despite forgetting to include a major component in the final dish of her competing recipe?
Created by Dchiodi (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 04:20, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Note, initially I added a pic, but did not know it was 'fair use' - will try and obtain a 'free' one and add, ASAP.Chzz ► 04:24, 24 April 2010 (UTC)- Found a pic, and added it above. Chzz ► 20:00, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
- The article appears to have undergone some substantial reworking, and is now uncategorised, and too short for DYK. The hook fact does not appear in the article, instead it says rather coyly 'In the season premiere, Chef Carmen found herself in an unfortunate situation that almost forced her to forfeit the competition. Luckily, Chef Carmen managed to improvise on the bad luck and ended up earning the top score...' There may be some minor POV issues as well. Benea (talk) 23:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
- Too short (just 934 characters of readable prose text), unresolved COI tag, all references are bare URLs, and there has bee no significant effort to expand or correct this article in the last 10 days. - Dravecky (talk) 03:23, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 23
Stray dogs in Moscow
- ... that Moscow is home to an estimated 35,000 stray dogs, about 500 of whom live in the metro stations?
Created by Adrigon (talk). Nominated by Dream out loud (talk) at 18:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- The Metro stations part is not directly cited in the article. Also, "whom" refers specifically to humans, so I think the word you're looking for is "which". BigDom 23:46, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- I never realized "whom" refers to only humans, so changing it to "which" would be fine. As for the citation about the metro stations, it was citing in the article in the following sentence, but just for extra clarification I put a citation in both sentences. –Dream out loud (talk) 18:10, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
- Please research further. 35 thousand quoted by ABC is too low. Where did they get it, Kremlin propaganda? They also say they've neutered 18 thousand ... half of the population? Get real. For those unfamiliar with the situation: not all dogs seen wandering the streets are true "stray dogs". Many have shelter provided by humans but are free to roam at will - are these included? On the other end of the spectrum is a population that evades humans and takes up the role left vacant by wolves (academic paper in Russian). East of Borschov (talk) 23:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Moscow is home to an estimated 35,000 stray dogs, about 500 of which live in the metro stations?
- ALT2 ... that of the 500 stray dogs, which live in the Moscow metro stations around 20 have learned how to use the metro as a means of commuting?
- Sourced here in Financial Times: "Moscow’s stray dogs" -- Esemono (talk) 06:52, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting topic. The Popsci article does not seem a very useful source, as is itself said to be a summary of the Financial Times article. Why not cite the FT article directly? All cited articles should have complete bibliographical details (author and date are missing). --Hegvald (talk) 07:31, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Added cite web template -- Esemono (talk) 22:50, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- I don't particularly care for citation templates, but that is a choice one may make. The more important point was: there is no reason to cite a lower-quality source which is nothing but a summary of a better source to which one has access. The best thing would obviously be to find the publications of the expert Andrei Poyarkov and cite those directly, but this is probably too much to expect within the deadline of the DYK. --Hegvald (talk) 04:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- Removed the Popular Science refs -- Esemono (talk) 00:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Special occasion holding area
- Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Misplaced Pages:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
Nominations for Victory Day (9 May)
2010 Moscow Victory Day Parade
- ... that the 2010 Moscow Victory Day Parade (logo pictured) to be held on 9 May, will be the first Victory Day Parade to include foreign troops marching on Moscow's Red Square?
5x expanded by Russavia (talk). Nominated by Russavia (talk) at 07:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- Date, length, fact verified. Materialscientist (talk) 08:43, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
City of Military Glory
- ... that to date the citizenry of 27 Russian cities have been bestowed the honorary title City of Military Glory for courage and heroism shown during the Great Patriotic War (award ceremony pictured)?
5x expanded by Russavia (talk). Nominated by Russavia (talk) at 17:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
See also
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