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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on October 7

The Kingdom Chums: Little David's Adventure

Created by Slgrandson (talk). Self nom at 22:19, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Johnny Edgecombe

Created by Vega Nexos (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 18:30, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Ralph A. Loveys, 26th Legislative District (New Jersey)

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:40, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Kenneth North

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 18:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

National Intellectual Property Rights Coordination Center

Created by Janeway Ranch (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 06:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Gwichyaa Gwich’in

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 02:30, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Marguerite Bériza, Orville Harrold

Marguerite Bériza

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:58, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook ref verified on Marguerite Bériza. 5x expansion verified on Orville Harrold. Tweaked hook and it's good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:27, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Kathy and Carol

Created by Yorkshiresky (talk). Nominated by Ghmyrtle (talk) at 14:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Note: Article started on 7 Oct by Yorkshiresky, 5x expanded on 8 Oct by Ghmyrtle - so do we both deserve credits? Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Sean McCorkle

  • ... that Sean McCorkle is nicknamed "Big Sexy", having previously called himself "The Hater", "The Big Angry", "Big Hungry" and "The Alpha Male"?

Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 10:35, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm happy with the ALT hook! Thanks Paralympiakos (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


Millennium Bailey's Hotel and James Bailey (UK politician)

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 18:53, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes they're better, I like ALT1. Nice one;.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:22, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Hyalella azteca

A small, white crustacean on a decaying leaf.

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 05:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


140th Year Anniversary Celebration of the Emancipation Proclamation

Created by Cwestllc (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 03:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I have fixed up the references (removed bare URLs, added details, etc).
I like all the suggested alts; I asked a few people, and we all preferred the 2nd one, re. the oak tree. I think that is the best choice. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  00:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length, hook ref all verified. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 09:23, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Cloud gaming

Created by Silver seren (talk). Self nom at 23:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Good point, I probably won't be able to back up the "all" part. How about this...
The article doesn't mention anywhere, that the games currently offered are (exclusively or otherwise) console games; it also doesn't mention as a fact, that they are games from different consoles, as opposed to one particular console. As far as I can see, the hook fact is not currently stated within the article. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:54, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Uh, it directly states "Assassin's Creed" and "Mass Effect 2", which are from different consoles. If you need me to state it directly in the article, I will, since it is directly stated in most of the references. Silverseren 04:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough, but yes I think it should be stated explicitly in the article if it is used in the hook. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
ALT2 ... that cloud gaming developments allow players to access their saved games at multiple locations, using the same game data on platforms ranging from desktop computers to tablet devices?
(this is my attempt at a hook for this without a company name or brand name in it) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I would prefer to not use this Alt, since it isn't as interesting as the one I gave. This makes it sound kind of boring and wordy. Silverseren 04:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Depends what the reader finds interesting - the existing hook, at first reading, makes it sound rather like MESS. (I was going to add the word "modern" somewhere to avoid that potential confusion - since some thin client services already offer emulated games from older consoles, and many readers would be most familiar with that.) But whatever hook you prefer is fine, so long as the hook fact is actually stated in the article. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Actually, after thinking about it, i'm fine with your alt. It does convey more about what cloud gaming does. Silverseren 18:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I've trimmed my suggested ALT2 to make it a bit less wordy. It's quite difficult to get across the potential this concept has, without building a huge unwieldy hook. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Rocky Top's Sundance Kid

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 23:18, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

National Foundation for Women Legislators

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 23:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

French ironclad Richelieu

A black-painted ship with three masts lacking yards or sails and a plough-shaped ram bow

5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 22:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


Most Ljubavi

Bridge of Love in 2008

Created by WhiteWriter (talk). Self nom at 21:29, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

  • The length is good now. I think it needs a little copy-editing, though; I'd offer to do this but it might be better if someone more familiar with the bridge and its story (or at least the source language) could do so... I don't want to unwittingly introduce errors due to my unfamiliarity with the topic. 28bytes (talk) 15:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Indeed, the length is good, but there's definitely close paraphrasing and WhiteWriter is yet to provide evidence as to why the board/website would be public domain. If that's cleared up or if the section is rewritten, it would be good to go, but for now it's too close to the original text and it seems to be copyrighted. — Toдor Boжinov — 11:16, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Well, comparing it to the original translated quote that you initially used, I think it's far enough from the original to pass. Length, date and hook verified. — Toдor Boжinov — 14:01, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Mycena clariviolacea, Mycena fonticola, Mycena fuscoaurantiaca, Mycena intersecta, Mycena lanuginosa, Mycena multiplicata, Mycena mustea, Mycena nidificata

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 21:19, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

RMAS Typhoon (A95)

RMAS Typhoon in Port Stanley, during the Falklands War.

Expanded 5x by User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

My apologies: I put 'created' when I actually expanded it. Does the 1,500 still apply? Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 16:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes, all articles on DYK have to have a minimum of 1500 characters of prose. ~NerdyScienceDude 22:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Samuel May Wiliams House

Created by Karanacs (talk). Self nom at 20:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Cheney Racing

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

It is clearly stated under the first paragraph of the 'History' tab on the ref Cheney Racing web site. (I will put a seperate ref if you like but on my iPhone at the moment) Thanks Thruxton (talk) 20:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
(checked using DYKcheck) Ok. I'm a little uncomfortable with the fact being sourced to the company itself, but ah well. Shubinator (talk) 20:53, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks - and I've updated the ref now so that its easy to find Thruxton (talk) 12:40, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Enterprise Allowance Scheme

Created by Dylanfromthenorth (talk). Self nom at 19:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Pendock Church

The stone tower of a church seen from the west, with a pyramidal roof, standing between trees. The body of the church can just be seen beyond the tower

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 19:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


Legitimate expectation in Singapore

Created by Jane Lim (talk), Jerrie.tan (talk), Nicoxy (talk), Zquek (talk) and Smuconlaw (talk). Nominated by Smuconlaw (talk) at 18:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

1969–70 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 18:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Stephen Pace (artist)

  • ... that though his work usually appeared to have been painted very quickly, Stephen Pace was often able to make subtle fixes to his art, saying of himself that "You might call me a fake Zen painter"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:55, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Bird class patrol vessel

Created by Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk). Self nom at 16:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Done! Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 16:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to nitpick, but the article has 1455 characters of prose; DYK requires at least 1500. Add a few sentences and you'll be fine. Shubinator (talk) 19:44, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Should now be 2000+. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 20:25, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
(checked using DYKcheck) Good to go. Shubinator (talk) 20:43, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

UAAP Season 67 men's basketball tournament

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 16:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Demon Cat

5x expanded by Panyd (talk). Self nom at 13:19, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I think I might be confused about the rules here, but as far as I was aware the article had gone from 375 characters to 1989 characters in my revision, which is a 5x expansion no? Panyd 10:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
The DYK check tool says it has 1880 characters of prose. It needs 5 more characters to reach a 5x expansion. ~NerdyScienceDude 15:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Oh! Well my apologies then. I've corrected that oversight. Panyd 16:33, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Perhapsatron

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 11:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Length and sourcing for article and hook have been verified. I added a source available online through Google Books to the sentence in the lead that best matches the DYK hook. Alansohn (talk) 12:54, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Edentulina moreleti

apertural view of the shell

Created by Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 10:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I think so. There is about 1000 species of Streptaxidae and all of them are known or are thought to be carnivorous. As far as I know, this species is the only one herbivorous in this family. --Snek01 (talk) 17:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Ok, sounds good and verifiable, based on sources.--NortyNort (Holla) 01:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

UAAP Season 68 men's basketball tournament

A man dribbling a basketball

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 09:04, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

ALT1 *... that at the end of the first game of the 2005 UAAP men's basketball finals, a De La Salle University-Manila assistant team manager ran onto the court and hit opposing player Arwind Santos (pictured) in the back of the head? DS (talk) 16:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Branchinecta brushi

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 06:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

  • I'm afraid I'm going to need a little more detail than that if I'm to be able to improve it. The fairy shrimp Branchinecta brushi is a crustacean. It lives at 5,930 m in the Chilean Andes. No other crustacean lives higher. Thus, the fairy shrimp Branchinecta brushi is the higest crustacean in the world, living at 5,930 m (19,460 ft) in the Chilean Andes. I'm open to suggestions for improvement, but those are the facts that should be reported. --Stemonitis (talk) 09:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
ALT2 ... that the fairy shrimp Branchinecta brushi lives at 5,930 m (19,460 ft) in the Chilean Andes, higher than any other crustacean in the world?
  • And, incidentally, could the height be rounded to either 6,000m (and the ft equivalent) or 20,000ft (and the m equivalent) to make it slightly easier to read? I assume it's that precise because it lives in a specific lake or something that is at that specific height, but then even the lake has depth so a little rounding might not hurt. Just a thought, I don't know how these things are normally expressed.
--Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Also, is the fact accurate, since the article states that another crustacean Branchinecta valchetana lives at the same height? Is Branchinecta valchetana also a shrimp, and if not, can we just replace the word "crustacean" with "shrimp"? Or is that not really an accurate enough term? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
  • I'd be happy with the rounding, provided it's noted (e.g. "at around 6,000 m..."), since the mountain does not actually reach 6,000 m (let alone 20,000 ft, another 96 m higher). Boeckella palustris (not Branchinecta valchetana) does live in the same place, so one could argue that Br. brushi is joint highest, but I think that's probably nitpicking. I would argue that Br. brushi is the highest, and so is Bo. palustris. Neither, incidentally, is a shrimp, and in any case, that would be a less remarkable fact than being the superlative among a much bigger group. ALT2 looks fine to me, as does John of Reading's suggestion. --Stemonitis (talk) 12:03, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Military engineering-technical university

Large red-brick university, with a golden spire.

5x expanded by 91.122.25.79 (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 05:49, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


2009–10 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 03:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Herb Wilkinson

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 03:45, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Go with the original or with ALT2. Nothing particularly interesting about ALT1. DS (talk) 16:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 6

Isabella Markham

Created by Jeanne boleyn (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 22:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Helmut de Boor

  • ... that when Helmut de Boor taught at the University of Bern, his neighbours objected to his many young German visitors, but also to his red and orange car paid for by the German embassy?

Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 18:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Henry Bergh (sculpture)

Created by Claudiamoon (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 03:55, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Raul. I can't establish the sculptor's year of death, so I guess we don't know enough to safely use this pic on MainPage. Never mind. --PFHLai (talk) 05:35, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Everything looks good except two areas in the "Information" section are uncited. I duplicated a reference to other areas as needed and proper but couldn't find that information.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Hopefully better now? --PFHLai (talk) 23:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Pholiota squarrosa

Group of Pholiota squarrosa growing on a tree.

Created by The High Fin Sperm Whale (talk). Self nom at 18:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Good subject area :-) but article needs to be 1500 characters to qualify for DYK. Let me know if you need help. Sasata (talk) 18:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Concur, I have just left a message for the nominator. EdChem (talk) 18:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

1994 College Baseball All-America Team

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 17:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Michael Salyer Stone House

A small house made of reddish stone. It has a curved roof with three windows. Near the top of the roof the house's siding is maroon-colored wood.

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 14:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Len Garrison

Work in Progress for a bronze bust of Len Garrison, commissioned by the Black Cultural Archives

  • ... that Len Garrison's (pictured) life work in cataloguing the development of the black British identity and history led to formation of the Black Cultural Archives, and plans for the UK's first national Black heritage centre in 2011?

Created by Lagosman (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 04:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah, quite right, sorry; try this, below, which is just under 200, including the '(pictured)'.  Chzz  ►  19:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
  • ... that Len Garrison's (pictured) writings about black British identity and history led to formation of the Black Cultural Archives, and plans for the first UK national Black heritage centre in 2011?
Hook length is fine now. Note that (pictured) is not counted, so the hook is actually 186 characters. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Jack Cox (Texas)

ALT1: ... that Texas Republican politician Jack Cox once termed his opponent, John Connally, as "Lyndon's Boy, John"?

5x expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:00, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I can get the ISBN information later, maybe Monday.Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:54, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Publishing info is usually available on Amazon.com. I filled out the first and second references, but don't know which volume you used for the Texas Almanac. Is it one of these? Yoninah (talk) 15:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Jaguar C-X75

A silver machine with four wheels and two doors

5x expanded by Theorb (talk), Pineapple fez (talk), Toovo1985 (talk), and Mariordo (talk). Nominated by Mariordo (talk) at 02:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

An by the way, there is a new picture available of better quality, so I did change it.-Mariordo (talk) 02:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Gracie Cole

  • ... that when trumpeter Gracie Cole made her first BBC Radio broadcast in 1939, Brass Band News advised all bandsmen to listen because "they will be surprised to hear such fine playing from a girl"?

Created by January (talk). Self nom at 22:33, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

For Alt 1, there's an additional online source which confirms all details except the 21-point margin. Alternative hook with an online source:
January (Cassandra 73) 12:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Danni Lowinski

  • ... that Danni Lowinski is the first German TV series that is planned to be adapted for the American audience?

Created by SoWhy (talk). Self nom at 19:10, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Length and sourcing for article and hook have been verified, as long as my understanding of the German source is accurate. All three hooks basically say the same thing, though I'd lean to the original hook or ALT1. Alansohn (talk) 13:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Andy Albeck

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:54, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

St Nicholas of Myra's Church, Ozleworth

A small stone church seen from the southeast, with a central tower capped by a pyramidal roof. The chancel extends forwards and beyond the tower is the gabled south porch

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


List of Somerset cricket captains

5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 11:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Which one-day trophy did he win? I see three listed under England in the piped "one-day". I don't know much about cricket and I don't expect every reader to but some clarity would be good.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Tett turret

Surviving Tett Turret at RAF Hornchurch. Light coming through one of several spy-holes can be seen opposite the embrasure

  • ... that the garrison of a Tett turret (pictured) could face a fight to the death?
  • Comment: Moved to the main space today.

Created by Gaius Cornelius (talk). Self nom at 07:25, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

  • I have problems with this hook; it implies the design favoured a fight to the death, where actually it almost necessitated such a fight. In my opinion misleading. The article itself checks out fine for all criteria, maybe try another hook?
I think the ALT1 hook is OK. The occupants might have the option to surrender instead of fighting to the death, or they might succeed in forcing their opponents to withdraw and regroup, rather than killing them. I think "could" covers the likelihood sufficiently, especially since it's hypothetical anyway. Incidentally, I wonder if "the occupants" might read better than "the garrison", since the thing is only a few feet wide. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
I agree that ALT1's use of the word "could" combined with the explanation in the hook's first clause makes its sufficiently clear what the circumstances might have been. Alansohn (talk) 13:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
the main hook is no good, as anyone can face a fight to the death. The alt1 is wrong, there is a means to exit, it's just not very safe during combat. Alt1 is misleading. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
It's what I meant with my previous alternative hook, let's try ALT2 "... that lacking a means to exit the structure while facing direct enemy fire, the garrison of a Tett turret (pictured) could face a fight to the death?" or ALT3 "... that the only exit from a Tett turret (pictured) could expose a soldier trying to leave the fortification to direct fire from the enemy?" Alansohn (talk) 22:37, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Boletellus ananas, Boletellus

A mushroom with a bent white stem and purple cap covered with whitish scales.

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 05:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Jack Parkinson (basketball)

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 03:18, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I think we should go with ALT1 the initial hook seems to imply that he one the tourneys by himself which of course he didn't since basketball is a team sport, but we can't assume that all readers no this. ALT2 is certainly notable, but not all that unusual given the time period. Turning down a pro contract to play college ball is notable. Dincher (talk) 01:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Cement lorry rammed into Leinster House

  • Comment: I'm not sure if that's the appropriate article title, feel free to rename

Created by Smallman12q (talk). Self nom at 01:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Orphan tag I don't care about, but you need to add categories. Would be good to beef up about notability otherwise this comes across as a minor crime. — Rlevse • Talk • 15:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 9

Lore Lindu National Park

Danau Lindu lake in Lore Lindu National Park, Central Sulawesi, Indonesia

5x expanded by Elekhh (talk). Self nom at 02:16, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


The Temptation of Barbizon

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 08:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Ike Robin

Created by 72.74.224.230 (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 06:15, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

St John the Baptist Church, Inglesham

A small stone church seen from the southeast with a porch to the left, a protruding rendered south aisle in the middle, and a short chancel to the right. On the west gable is a bellcote, and in front of the church is a churchyard cross

Created by Rodw (talk). Self nom at 16:22, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


2010 Nobel Peace Prize

A bespectacled Chinese man smiling.

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 08:37, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Shub is right, the intent is to disqualify featured ITN articles and so I've just clarified the rule to "Articles that have been featured on the main page's In the News section are not eligible. If an article is linked to at ITN but not the featured ITN article, it is still eligible for DYK." Also note, DYKcheck follows this wording too. So the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize article is still eligible. Borgqueen--waiting til it scrolls off is just gaming the system. Better to fix the wording of the rule to better match intent. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Alexander Fulton (Louisiana)

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Jeff Landry

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:41, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

ALT=... that Louisiana Republican congressional nominee Jeff Landry carries the endorsement of the Tea Party in the upcoming general election?
I strongly disagree with having this (or any similar hook describing another candidate) appear on the front page while the campaign is ongoing. It feels like electioneering. DS (talk) 11:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I would agree with DS. With the election just over three weeks away, having DYK hooks on the Main Page about candidates on the ballot could be seen as electioneering. Early voting is already going on in some states. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Qmunity

Created by Black Falcon (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Double-O Ranch Historic District

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 23:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Prince Abbas Hilmi

Created by BomBom (talk). Self nom at 23:27, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Ike Robin

Created by 72.74.224.230 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 22:42, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Jalavihar

Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 22:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

George Ambo

Created by Aridd (talk). Self nom at 22:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Podvugleš Tunnel

Tunnel portal, variable traffic signs indicating traffic flow direction are visible at the tunnel entrance, as well as tunnel portal cover and concrete columns supporting the cover

Created by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 21:56, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


1995–96 Michigan Wolverines men's ice hockey team, 1996–97 Michigan Wolverines men's ice hockey team, 1997–98 Michigan Wolverines men's ice hockey team

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 20:57, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Adam of Kilconquhar

Created by Deacon of Pndapetzim (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

St Mary's Church, Shrewsbury

The tower of a church with a tall spire. The lower part of the tower is in red sandstone, the upper part and the spire are in a grey stone

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 19:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


Tenczyn Castle

Ruins of the Tenczyn Castle.

Created by BurgererSF (talk) 19:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 19:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Astley and Tyldesley Collieries

Created by J3Mrs (talk). Self nom at 18:40, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Figaro (genus), Australian sawtail catshark, northern sawtail catshark

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 18:34, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Al-'Awasim

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 18:18, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

BSA B50

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 18:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


New Academy (Moscopole)

Created by Alexikoua (talk). Self nom at 18:16, 9 October 2010 (UTC) How about:

Grandview Apostolic Church

Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 16:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

ZETA

ZETA fusion power machine at Harwell.

  • ... that after John Cockroft announced with great fanfare that their new ZETA device (pictured) had achieved nuclear fusion, he was forced to retract this claim?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 16:01, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

List of Top Pops number-one singles

Created by Rambo's Revenge (talk). Self nom at 14:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

St Bartholomew's Church, Richard's Castle

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 13:03, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Lake Sausacocha

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 10:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Quality of image is too poor..♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:03, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Sack of Amorium

Medieval miniature of a fortified city in the centre, attacked on both sides

5x expanded by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 08:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Looking good. Great article. (Strictly speaking, the placement of the footnote isn't making it entirely clear whether the hook is completely covered by the ref, but I trust the author's good judgment in that.) Image would be nice, but I'm not sure it will work well on the main page at this small size. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:45, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Interspecific pregnancy

5x expanded by Mikael Häggström (talk). Self nom at 07:10, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

ALT 2... that a suggested use of interspecific pregnancy is to have pigs carry human fetuses, as an alternative to surrogates or artificial uteri for gay males or women with damaged uteri?
  • Or, perhaps, an even less crystal-ball-like statement is better:

Giant Panda

PANDA ALT1... that fetuses of the endangered Giant Panda (pictured) have been artificially grown in the womb of cats, a form of interspecific pregnancy (pregnancy between species)?
The explanation of the term may be integrated as ] or left out if it makes the entry too long. Mikael Häggström (talk) 07:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that fetuses of the endangered Giant Panda (pictured) have been artificially grown in the womb of cats? --Redtigerxyz 15:54, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
With the link to interspecific pregnancy in bold, it seems all fine to me. Mikael Häggström (talk) 05:55, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I like it, but the article seems to indicate that it's only been done in one cat so far (and she died of pneumonia before the birth). DS (talk) 11:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
That's correct. There were two panda fetuses, but only one almost "successful" cat mother. My bad. Ending it with "...in the womb of a cat" is more appropriate. (On the other hand, the occyte was taken from a rabbit - but mentioning it would probably make the entry too long). Mikael Häggström (talk) 18:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Washington Athletic Club

Created by Publichall (talk). Self nom at 05:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Nice article, I didn't see where it was one of the few though, just that it had no 13 floor. I think the practice is fairly common too, I have seen in omitted in many buildings, as the 13th floor article explains it commonality.--NortyNort (Holla) 11:35, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Adams River (British Columbia)

Looking north up the Lower Adams River

5x expanded by The Interior (talk). Self nom at 04:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


Philipsburg Manor

A wide, three story brick structure is seen with a tall thin monument in front of it.

Created by UpstateNYer (talk). Self nom at 02:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

  • The reference states he was arrested in 1776, not 1779. I also don't see an exact date that the manor was sold in that reference. 1779 isn't mentioned. Growing up in Yonkers, and visiting the manor on field day trips I shouldn't have to look at the reference. It is nice to see some Yonkers history being covered, although it isn't upstate!--NortyNort (Holla) 11:28, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Sorry about that. I forgot to include an inline to ref #1, which is the Encyclopedia of New York State. I'm puzzled as to why the historic sites website says 1776, however the encyclopedia specifically states that his whole family was attained in 1779, so maybe he was also arrested previously. Not sure, but the Encyclopedia is most definitely the dominant source. upstateNYer 21:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 10

Veliki Gložac Tunnel

Tunnel portal in a snow covered slope, variable traffic signs indicating traffic flow direction are visible at the tunnel entrance

  • ... that rock blasting during excavation of the second Veliki Gložac Tunnel tube (pictured) required the original tunnel tube to be closed to traffic more than 220 times?
  • Comment: Hook referenced in citation 9, page 4

Created by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 17:00, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


Koserow

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Bermicourt (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 14:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Henry Clarence Whaite

Created by FruitMonkey (talk) 22:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Chionoecetes bairdi

crab legs and claws chilling in a bowl of ice water

5x expanded by Beeblebrox (talk). Self nom at 21:26, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


HMS Folke

Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 21:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Suiyo Seamount

Created by Resident Mario (talk). Self nom at 21:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Now I know that the source doesn't directly state that the volcano was extinct, but I know from experience that 99.9% of seamounts are dead. Given the low amount of material collected, there was no basis to assume otherwise, and so it was, until the fumarole activity happened. ResMar 21:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1928 Winter Olympics

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 21:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Puebla

Catherine de San Juan

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 20:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Amazing work. I can't stress how invaluable this work is on Mexican states.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:14, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Manuel the Armenian

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 20:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

St Cosmas and St Damian's Church, Stretford

A stone church with a tiled roof seen from the south. On the left gable is a shingled bellcote, and a wooden porch protrudes from the church

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 19:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


NCAA Season 81 basketball tournaments

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 19:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Leo Byrd

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 17:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Segundo Romance

5x expanded by Magiciandude (talk). Self nom at 16:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

UAAP Season 65 men's basketball tournament

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 16:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

St James' Church, Stirchley

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 16:45, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

UAAP Season 66 men's basketball tournament

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 14:31, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

John Abel

  • ... that King's Carpenter John Abel also designed a wooden tank called the Sow?

5x expanded by Panyd (talk). Self nom at 14:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Santoshi Mata

5x expanded by Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nom at 12:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Not entirely a creation of the movie, though most of the legend is the creation of the movie. She emerged in 1960s and had a regional following before the film. --Redtigerxyz 17:23, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Asher Noria

  • ... that Hyderabad-born Asher Noria is the only shooter in the world to win the double trap event of the International Shooting Junior World Cup for two consecutive years?

Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 12:14, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Alma (name)

5x expanded by Theornamentalist (talk). Self nom at 10:26, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Brenda Lee Eager

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 09:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

British Motocross Championship

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 08:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


Maurice Neligan

  • ... that Maurice Neligan was described as "the first superstar of Irish medicine"?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 08:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

MV Wotan

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 05:20, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Mrs. Tittlemouse (character)

Created by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Self nom at 05:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Siege of Privas

Siege of Privas

Created/expanded by Per Honor et Gloria (talk). Self nom at 05:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


Marshall Flaum, Let My People Go: The Story of Israel

Created by Scanlan (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Sakis Rouvas Collection

Created by GreekStar12 (talk). Self nom at 01:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

List of Fab 40 number-one singles

Created by Rambo's Revenge (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 11

South Island Snipe

  • ... that the last two known individuals of the South Island Snipe died on 1 September 1964?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 23:28, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Seattle Community Access Network

Created by Hydroxonium (talk). Self nom at 22:34, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

David Marques

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at 22:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

1906 Valparaíso earthquake

Black and white picture that depicts a demolished building by an earthquake.

Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 22:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

ALT1: *... that the chief of the Chilean Army's meteorological office predicted the 1906 Valparaíso earthquake ten days in advance? DS (talk) 22:21, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I like it. --Diego Grez (talk) 23:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Lugenda River

Created by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 21:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Robert Parker Les sept pêchés capiteux

The American wine critic Robert Parker

Created by Murgh (talk). Self nom at 21:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


Jet of Iada

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 21:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Mildred Barry Garvin

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Black Eyed Kids

  • ... that in 1998 Black Eyed Kids were first reported in the United States trying to gain access to a journalist's car?

Created by Panyd (talk). Self nom at 19:28, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

SMS Budapest

  • ... that after her sister was sunk in late 1917 while anchored right next to her, Budapest took on her role of being a floating barracks?

Created by User:Buggie111 (talk) and User:White Shadows talk. Self nom at 17:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Severinske Drage Viaduct

Three lane viaduct carriageway seen from the road

Created by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 17:19, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


USS Elcano (PG-38)

  • ... that during the Spanish-American War the Spanish gunboat Elcano captured the American bark Saranac carrying 1,640 tons of coal from Newcastle, NSW, for Admiral Dewey's fleet.

5x expanded by Acad Ronin (talk). Self nom at 16:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Joan Henry

  • ALT1:... that Joan Henry's Look on Tempests was the first play dealing explicitly with the subject of homosexuality to be approved for performance by the Lord Chamberlain?

Created by January (talk). Self nom at 15:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Antimonial cup

pocula emetica, calices vomitorii, or emetic cups

Created/expanded by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 15:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


Jehiel R. Elyachar

  • ... that Jehiel Elyachar wouldn't sell a building he owned to make way for 1 Lincoln Plaza and the five-story building is "like a sore thumb, or a finger — which is probably what had in mind"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 14:49, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

HMS Sköld

Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 14:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Alfred Lafone

Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 13:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Sea of Japan

Heishi rock at Kamome Island, Sea of Japan Von Karman vortices off the coast of Rishiri Island in the Sea of Japan

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 10:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

  • The naming dispute means that having this on the front page will draw complaints, I think. DS (talk) 11:35, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
    The dispute is old, slow and "non-controversial" (it was made clear that consensus must be reached before changing the name). If this is a real problem, we can add the South Korean name, but WP should follow the major authorities on this, which use "Sea of Japan". Materialscientist (talk) 22:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Agree with MS, use Sea of Japan. This is one of hundreds of facets of the Korea-Japan strife, so we should simply use the most common English usage. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:55, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Chris Deschene

Created by Seb az86556 (talk). Self nom at 07:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

— Rlevse • Talk • 22:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

NCAA Season 82 basketball tournaments

An indoor arena filled with people wearing red shirts.

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 07:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


Michel Maxwell Philip

Created by Cunard (talk), Shanel (talk). Self nom at 05:17, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

History of Sochi

Monument to gambusia affinis in Sochi

Created by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 02:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

R. Gordon Hoxie, William Birenbaum

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 00:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

List of Oval Office desks

Barack Obama at the Resolute Desk

  • Comment: moved to main space from user space

Created by Found5dollar (talk). Self nom at 00:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 12

Older nominations

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Misplaced Pages:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

For a date yet to be determined, possibly around 14 October

Manchester Courts

A seven-storey commercial building made mainly of red and white masonry

  • Comment: This building is one of the striking architectural gems of Christchurch Central City. It's the one building that has received the most media coverage in New Zealand following the 4 September earthquake. Christchurch City Council decided yesterday that it is to be demolished. I propose that it be put on the front page the day demolition starts and have worded the hook accordingly. As yet, a date hasn't been set. At a guess, demolition might start within a week, i.e. 14 October 2010. If this proposal is acceptable, I'll attach the date to this item once it's known. As yet, I haven't got a current photo of the building, but it is quite striking and would certainly lend itself for the hook with the picture. Follow this link to have a look at some current photos. Please note that obviously, the hook is as yet not cited, as the start date for the demolition hasn't been set yet. So please review the remaining DYK requirements first.

Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 07:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Date and length are fine, and sources check out for everything but the (as yet unknown) demolition date. Recent photos have been added to the article, and I've taken the liberty of moving the lead photo into the hook above. --Avenue (talk) 07:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

For 17 October, 20th Sunday after Trinity

Ach! ich sehe, itzt, da ich zur Hochzeit gehe, BWV 162

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 08:51, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

For October 29, 1AM London time

Dragan Tesanovic

Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 22:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

For 31 October, Hallowe'en

  • The 2010 Halloween collection has started early. My interpretation of whats happening is ... 1. Move your hook to the bottom of the page (ie here) 2. You may get some more macabre, funny etc suggestions for a hook and it should get DYKtick'ed. 3. Then after its been there about 24 hours or so it gets moved off to the dedicated page. 4. Then about three or four days before Oct 31 we sort out the 40 or so hooks into "8"s (so they are ready to load on the 36 hours or so that is Halloween internationally). 5. We do the awards and 6 .... and please help with all of this. It only works if we all do a bit Victuallers (talk) 08:22, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


Ben Cooper, Inc.

A Hallowee costume consistenting of a shiny gold latex mask, with a gold, bronze, and brown colored smock depicting a robot-like character.

- Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Ben Cooper, Inc., the "Halston of Halloween", said it sold a scary 4 million Halloween costumes in the United States in 1990?

- Hook corrected to show where costumes were sold. - Tim1965 (talk) 19:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

  • Only in places where there's a JC Penney. Trust me, that subclause just doesn't work outside the US, and to be honest it's redundant, it could just be struck out entirely. Or as Victuallers says, the "high priest" version is a ready-made alternative that needs no knowledge of US culture, and thus is a better hook. WTGR Tim, you really need to think a bit more globally - 50% of en.wiki users are outside the US, and that proportion is growing. Le Deluge (talk) 08:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
  • It doesn't appear, Le Deluge, that you know who Halston was. He was internationally famous (he designed Jacqueline Kennedy's iconic pillbox hat outfit, which had worldwide recognition), and was well-known throughout Europe and portions of Asia. His recognizability is perhaps more time-bound (who knows who he is today?), but the quote was from 1979 (when he was still a worldwide icon of high couture and not a budget-conscious caricature as he was at the end). Accusing someone of ethnocentrism is, I don't think, an appropriate response to the proposed hook (especially if you don't know that person, or their contributions). If you are concerned that hooks are not worldwide in nature, I can only respond that 1) That is not a DYK criteria and 2) 17 of the accepted 22 hooks for this year do not involve worldwide topics. A far more appropriate criticism of the hook would be that it does not say where Ben Cooper, Inc. sold 4 million costumes (a very legitimate issue which I will correct). - Tim1965 (talk) 19:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
  • I added an image here. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to scale down as well as I'd like. There are other images from this company on WikiCommons, if anyone wants to take a look. - Tim1965 (talk) 00:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

For November 1, All Saint's Day

  • This is a holder for new or expanded articles for November 1, which is All Saint's Day.

For January 1, 2011, Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

  • Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification: Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?
    --K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:
Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
In effect yes, but in my view it's a necessary evil if we're to reach a satisfactory compromise on this issue. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
  • - Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
    Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
    --K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
  • No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Nothing of what I said was or is a personal attack. I know you greatly dislike ChrisO and myself, but could you please not try and push an already outdated issue? Silverseren 14:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I do not support 1 January 2011. The DYK section is for new articles. There are exceptions like April Fools and Halloween; I do not see the point of making every day of the year a possible exception. Geschichte (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

  • Oppose Anniversary or not, a four-month wait at DYK is an overkill. The point of DYK is to present new or newly expanded articles, not to present "on this day". By then this article will be more than four months old. If this line of though is going to be followed, DYK is going to end up in a mess. The length of this entry is plain evidence for why keeping things around for almost five months is not a good idea. Arsenikk 13:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
  • per IAR. I would count this as a valid use of IAR. This could have gone up for today. The only reason it isn't going up is for political reasons. I disagree with Jimbo and others on that matter and think we should run it now, but there is no need to reject it entirely on that basis. NW (Talk) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Support as this would have been promoted in the usual time window if not for the decision to shelve it until the political heat was off. To kill it now because a delay was agreed to would be an egregious abuse of trust. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Arsenikk. The Utahraptor/Contributions 22:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Support per NuclearWarfare and Dravecky—Chris!c/t 20:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Support, per Chrishomingtang (talk · contribs). -- Cirt (talk) 06:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Support - This was initially nominated in a timely manner, with an image of the seal, but due to political considerations (public dispute between Wikimedia Foundation and the FBI over the use of the image of the seal) it was agreed that the image should not be used on the main page, and that the hook should be held and run at a later date, when the dispute was not so much in the news. The 60th anniversary of the first use of the seal makes a perfect tie-in, and while it is longer than DYK hooks are normally held for special occassions, Dravecky is correct that it would be egregious to reject it now on the basis of timing. cmadler (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Support - cmadler really sums up the issue for me. The circumstances of the original nomination and the fact of the 60th anniversary are significant enough that we ought to make an exception to the requirement that DYK items be from recently-created articles. -- Black Falcon 19:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

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