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Rename article

As per this discussion, based on WP:NAME and WP:UE, I suggest renaming the article to "National Republican Greek League" or "National Democratic Greek League", preferring the former, since "Δημοκρατικός" in this case stood for "Republican" rather than "Democratic" in its wider sense. The same procedure is suggested for the relevant articles on EAM, ELAS and EKKA. If you have contributed to this or the above articles, please state your view. Regards, Cplakidas 18:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

As five days have passed without objections or comments, I am proceeding with renaming these articles. Regards, Cplakidas 13:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Misuse, pov and or concert

The recently added section of 'collaborationism' is the definition of source misuse, pov concert & snippet abuse:

Using the memoirs of Stefanos Sarafis, a leader of the ELAS that time, is far from considered wp:rs, the only thing it proves is that EDES was accused by ELAS (which is real).
Snippet misuse of this source: ], the work mentions that EDES was accused by ELAS, not the The Century Foundation.
snippet abuse in this case: ], Zjarri claims that the source says: "The Athenian EDES was collaborating with the quisling government and the Germans", while he intentionally forgots that the full quote says "the KKE opened a press attack on Zervas with a charge that the Athenian EDES was collaborating with the quisling government and the Germans". Again ElAS accuses EDES.
Misuse of Kretsi, since she doesn't mention the term 'collaboration' but 'armistice' which is something diferrent.
Misuse of this book ], 'that says that EDES has also some covert support by Germany', while the article says: Along with the British government the German authorities in Greece provided covert assistance to EDES, which increased the quality of the armament of the group (I wonder how covert support can be interpreted as such).
Cherry picking this source: ] While it says that Gonatas "won the enmity of EDES" due to collaboration initiatives, this is cerafully hidden in order to present EDES as a collaborationist organization.

To sum up EDES was accused by ELAS for collaboration. That's what all the sources say ] Alexikoua (talk) 20:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Excellent analysis. I am in complete agreement. Athenean (talk) 21:03, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

OK about Sarafis but please stick to the sources about the rest and don't make or deductions. Btw can you provide the link about KKE accusations since you hadn't added it in your version and Kretsi says pact of mutual assistance.--— ZjarriRrethues — 21:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually I've provided additional bibliography which clearly says that this was about accusations, it could be true could not + an analysis about specific facts.Alexikoua (talk) 21:07, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

(unindent)The title at the very least should be changed since it's not about just accusations. Gonatas was a collaborator, not just someone who was accused of collaboration and they did have a pact of mutual assistance against ELAS.--— ZjarriRrethues — 21:15, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

There is a huge difference between accusations of X, and X itself. Also, a single individual does not mean an entire organization was collaborationist. Athenean (talk) 21:21, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

By the way a 'gentlements agreement' or an 'armistice' can't be termed 'collaboarion'. For example ELAS had also on specific occasion signed an armistice with the Occupation forces.Alexikoua (talk) 21:43, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

The so-called "Athens EDES", led chiefly by former Venizelists like Pangalos and Gonatas, certainly collaborated with the Germans, and played a role in founding the Security Battalions (I'll try to find my Fleischer book, he has some good info on this). This much is undisputed. However the "EDES of the Mountains" did not collaborate, and broke off all relations with the Athens clique. Zervas after all was in the pay of the British, not the Germans ;) Constantine ✍ 22:29, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

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