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Wilhelm von Gottberg

Thank you very much for your help.Xx236 (talk) 07:40, 30 August 2010 (UTC

ANI thread restored

The thread you started at ANI a couple of days ago concerning user Terra Novus rolled off to archives before I could comment. I've restored it from the archive, commented, and informed Terra Novus. I thought it would be right to inform you, as well, since you began it. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 16:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

No pressure 3RR

I'm sure you're aware of the rule, but I just thought I'd remind you that you can be blocked for reverting an edit more than three times in a 24 hour period.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 13:09, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I would not normally have reverted 3 times, but for my personal ethics I don't count the first time because I had every right to assume that when I was first reverted it was in error. Jprw claimed to remove text that was never in the article and gave no real rationale for adding the text they added. This reminds me of the worst kind of edit warring I have seen so far: Reflexive pressing of the "undo" button, based on nothing but edit summaries and editor identity. This kind of editing should never be rewarded, whether it is intentional or not. Hans Adler 13:35, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that too when I looked at the edit history, but there had recently been some "denier" pejoratives added in the reception section, so perhaps it was an incorrect assumption on his part. Whatever, AGF. Wiki's been copping some heat over climate change articles lately, let's try to keep the editing sane on this one.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 14:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

You shouldn't be editing like this. I don't think your arguments excusing edit warring would cut any mustard in a discretionary sanctions area. Please read the notice I put at the foot of Talk:No Pressure (film). --TS 14:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

For the record, this is the sequence of events in article space, and my analysis:

2 October

• Climatedragon adds references to the "skeptical blog WUWT"
• Jprw adds "popular science".

18 October

• I remove "sceptical popular science", explaining in the edit summary that one person's "sceptical popular science blog" is another's "global warming denial blog"
• Jprw reverts with an edit summary that suggests they didn't even look at the edit
• I remove it again
• Jprw adds it again
• I remove it again
• Yeti Hunter adds it again

My first revert did not feel like a revert. A great deal of research was necessary to even find out where the text came from. My second revert was in the spirit of cooperative editing – Jprw seemed to have reverted because of a misunderstanding of the nature of my edit. Of course it looks differently now. The next three reverts (including one by me) were inappropriate and I apologise for mine. Hans Adler 15:04, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

That's edit warring, and taken as a whole it certainly isn't collegial editing by any stretch of the imagination. Anyway, enough lecturing. Please read the arbitration case decision and you may see that it has serious teeth intended to stop exactly this kind of edit war. --TS 15:07, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I wrote the last sentence for a reason. Hans Adler 15:09, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Discussions regarding Weston Price

Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. --Ronz (talk) 23:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Hans Adler 17:56, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

"Misplaced Pages is not a place to hold grudges, import personal conflicts, carry on ideological battles, or nurture prejudice, hatred, or fear. Making personal battles out of Misplaced Pages discussions goes directly against our policies and goals.. "

"Every user is expected to interact with others civilly, calmly, and in a spirit of cooperation. Do not insult, harass, or intimidate those with whom you have a disagreement. Rather, approach the matter intelligently and engage in polite discussion. If another user behaves in an uncivil, uncooperative, or insulting manner, or even tries to harass or intimidate you, this does not give you an excuse to respond in kind. Address only the factual points brought forward, ignoring the inappropriate comments, or disregard that user entirely. You could also remind the user in question of Misplaced Pages's policy of no personal attacks in such a situation. If a conflict continues to bother you, take advantage of Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution process. There are always users willing to mediate and arbitrate disputes between others." - WP:BATTLE --Ronz (talk) 18:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I suggest both of you avoid interacting at all. Nothing good ever comes of it. --TS 18:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

That is certainly good advice. As you may have noticed, we had only three short episodes of interaction so far: One in March 2008, one in August 2009 and one starting a few days ago at WP:RS/N#Is a paper (possible blog) by a psychiatrist valid regarding old claims regarding dentistry?, when I commented in a thread without having a clue that Ronz was involved. While I generally enjoy getting people with robot-like behaviour, such as telemarketers , off-script, I am doing my best to avoid this particular temptation on Misplaced Pages. It may not be good enough, though. If only I knew a good strategy for ending interaction once someone has started applying their script to me. Hans Adler 18:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I've had this problem and I know how it plays out (which is badly). You're both going to have to try hard to make it work. Avoid the temptation to characterize the other person or his conduct, even in a way that you regard as objectively fair or generous. Forgive and let pass without comment any comment by the other person you find annoying or provoking. Where possible, avoid commenting in discussions on which the other has commented, and when you do so address the subject and not the person. Think generous thoughts about the other person at all times, but don't overdo it, try to see him as a human who finds you as annoying as you find him. Try to live and let live. --TS 19:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Hans Adler 19:20, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

*sigh*. I had completely forgotten Ronz's sensitivity about Barrett. Serves me right for not being obsessed with him. Hans Adler 23:35, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Misplaced Pages about living persons. Thank you. --Ronz (talk) 23:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

FYI

User_talk:YellowMonkey#Blocked_editor_humbly_requests_explanationsYogesh Khandke (talk) 19:22, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Article Names for English places

I am on your side about having English places disambiguated by the county when possible as I have proposed Beeston, Leeds to be moved to Beeston, West Yorkshire and Oakwood, Leeds to Oakwood, West Yorkshire there is a discussion to move Beeston, Leeds to Beeston, West Yorkshire and one for Oakwood, Leeds. There is also a discussion about the issue. Homan's Copse (talk) 12:06, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood my position. It's absurd to disambiguate a locality that is not an independent village with a county rather than the city whose mayor the inhabitants of the locality help to elect. It's particularly absurd in a case such as Beeston, which is geographically quite clearly a part of the settlement Leeds.

While I was under the impression that there was a guideline that intentionally prescribed this absurdity, and that there was strong support for this guideline, I was prepared to support the move on consistency grounds. But it is now clear to me that that is not the case. Hans Adler 13:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Well put

I thought your statement here summed things up nicely. ScottyBerg (talk) 23:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Request

Hello Hans: In case you are having a bit of unfamiliarity with sockpuppetry allegations, you might consider reading this once , specifically this quote "The tool should not be used for political control; to apply pressure on editors; or as a threat against another editor in a content dispute."
Your allegations, baseless at best, suggest that you are trying to put unnecessary pressure on me. TheEngineer 05:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)