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A joint investigation by the United Kingdom and the United States finds that aid worker Linda Norgrove was killed by a grenade thrown by an American soldier during an operation to rescue her. (BBC)
One of 12 American soldiers admits acting on orders and shooting unarmed Afghan farmers. He is sentenced to nine months imprisonment and demotion, but allowed to stay in the military. (Al Jazeera)
1 million free books are to be made available in the UK and Ireland on 5 March 2011; some booksellers object due to falling sales. (BBC)(The Guardian)(The Daily Telegraph)
The Irish foreign ministry objected to America's sending of Apache helicopters to Israel via Ireland during the Israel-Lebanon war in February 2006 without informing local authorities but Irish officials were warned that the U.S. would use facilities elsewhere, depriving the Irish economy of tens of millions of dollars. (Al Jazeera)
Specialists in espionage law say U.S. authorities would encounter "insurmountable legal hurdles" during any attempt to prosecute Julian Assange, even if he were to appear in the country. (Reuters via National Post)
WikiLeaks spokesperson Julian Assange calls for the resignation of Hillary Clinton "if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering U.S. diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations, in violation of the international covenants to which the U.S. has signed up". (TIME)
Julian Assange grants an interview to TIME in which he talks about secrecy, saying "we keep secret the identity of our sources" but that secrecy "shouldn't be used to cover up abuses". (TIME)
Dick Cheney faces charges in Nigeria over $180 million dollars in bribes a subsidiary of Halliburton, of which Cheney was chief executive, paid to Nigerian officials. (BBC)
Support Yesterday I thought that this was a PR stunt by NASA. But after actually seeing the finings it is actually quite impressive. Essentially if bacteria travel by meteorites to a new planet that has no P but As, there is a decent chance that it will continue to grow to create a P-independent system. I like the idea that one scientist puts in NYT: people consider not to do the same thing with Si instead of C. Nergaal (talk) 20:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Support Undoubtedly an important scientific discovery. The previous proposals came out before we knew any details. They just held a press conference today. Swarm20:22, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I am kind of surprised that all the tiniest countries that have elections are mentioned here while this European one was not. Not sure of a blurb since nobody has majority. It is going to be important for the future of the country (either towards Russia or EU). Nergaal (talk) 17:02, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Looks decent, should go up per ITNR. Note the poll was on 28 Nov, so this is actually kinda old, though still on the template. When were the results announced? Modest Genius18:55, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Strong oppose The ITN template does not document deaths of notable people and related topics, thus inquiries to the deaths of hostages are not required.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:55, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Oppose because this is a fairly routine way of governments falling; no-confidence motion in a fairly minor state with little global significance. I'd have supported if it was a coup d'état, but it wasn't. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 16:26, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
The winners will be announced today at 16:00 CET. It is an obvious ITN/R, so whenever the winners are announced it should go up the ITN. Nergaal (talk) 01:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't believe it's on ITNR (I might've missed it) but I still support it since it's an event of wide-interest. I also think it should be added to ITNR, with the awarding of the Olympics too. DCT•C01:41, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Support. Obvious candidate, and this is probably about the only time I would ever buy into the whole 'ITN is for helping people find the articles they are looking for' theory. It surprises me that world cup bid is a red link. Monkeys, get it sorted. MickMacNee (talk) 04:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
As it happens, it's not on ITNR (happens rarely enough it would hardly be worth it). But yeah, pretty obvious support. There are pretty good articles on all the bids, and there will be a ton of reaction in the media, so we shouldn't have any problems there. Modest Genius10:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Jehochman, there is no prize for being the first to post an ITN item. The article needs to be updated. Those articles you posted didn't even mention the fact that the World Cups were awarded to Russia and Qatar. -- tariqabjotu15:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Remove your insult Tariq. I am not looking for a prize. I am trying to help Misplaced Pages look good by posting important news quickly. If you want to spend 5 hours arguing about what color to paint the bike shed, go do it some place else. Why do we have an article about an obscure 84 year old actor dying as the lead item? Are we trying to be the laughing stocks of the Internet? Jehochman16:02, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
For unknown reasons Tariqabjotu thinks the linked article hasn't been updated, when it fact it has been updated. Seriously, Tariq, why are you trying to start an edit war? Discuss if something looks not right to you. Don't just go around reverting. Somebody else should install that blurb or another suitable one.Jehochman15:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Fine. It doesn't much matter. How about somebody posts a blurb? We can nick pick it to death after the blurb is posted and then post an update. Jehochman15:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Disagree, it's not how ITN does things. We've almost always required a sizeable update to the article before posting on the template. I'm with Tariq on this one, there is no rush. Support obviously, but jeez, relax. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 16:02, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm pissed off because Tariq has been exceptionally rude to me. That's not the way to handle things. The articles in question are under very active editing and will be updated thoroughly within minutes. Process, process, process, make sure to do every niggling things by some process. Who cares about serving the public or engaging editors. You guys are killjoys. Jehochman16:07, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Support when the article is ready, especially since it involves at least one first, "the first Middle Eastern country to host the biggest football tournament in the world" according to one source. --candle•wicke16:07, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Support Why this is not on the MP yet? The articles have been updated enough, and are in the midst of further major expansion. GreyHood16:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, it's not like we want to have fresh news to engage our readers. We should have three day old articles about actors dying. Jehochman16:25, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm not Christian. Please keep your religion to yourself. What benefit is being created by delaying this, other than satisfying the personal desire of certain editors to demonstrate their power over others? Jehochman16:32, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
It will go up, when it goes up, when it's ready. This is the precedent. And I have no idea why you seem to be trying to exude your frustration on me, and turn my relatively and admittedly vacuous comment into a big deal. If you have nothing constructive to say at all, then I advise you hold your tongue. --DorsalAxe16:38, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
This process is so utterly pedantic, I refuse to be involved further. In case you hadn't noticed, the ITN section was due for updating on Nov 30! Nobody has taken care of it. Maybe if you all were more receptive to more people becoming involved here, this process would work better. It is clearly broken as of now. Jehochman16:40, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
When the amount of text saying "the article is not updated yet" is surpassing the amount of text updated that would be required to go up, then the process is broken; more energy is being put into shooting it down than into helping the project. Nergaal (talk) 16:57, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Support seems to have been updated for tense and such now, the oldest item on ITN is almost 2 weeks old now so this seems like a worthwhile addition. –xeno17:07, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Just an observation: it only took 3 hours between the event and the item appearing on the MP. That's pretty damn fast for ITN. Please remember that the article needs to be in good shape and have been updated before it goes up, and even then we have to wait for an admin to pass through and actually post it. ITN is not a news ticker; it will never post items within minutes of the event. Now lets all have a nice cup of tea and a sit down. Modest Genius19:02, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
No Bex? I agree. It is important for ITN to be current. But it is also important, indeed more important, that we don't link out-of-date articles that haven't been updated to reflect the news event, or inappropriate articles such as those that contain POV, OR or copyvios. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
It really doesnt mean anything to be on that list. so oppose. if he gets arrested and sentenced for life (or mysteriously assassinated) for an apparent "sex crime" then i will gladly support. -- Ashish-g5502:01, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Interpol has a "most-wanted list"? He's on it? As I understand it, Interpol issued a routine advisory to participating countries that a valid warrant was issued in Sweden for Assange. My impression is that such advisories are both very common and unexceptional. Not at all the same as a "most-wanted list". If anything, the story would be that Sweden issued an arrest warrant, and not the Interpol angle. Dragons flight (talk) 04:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
The news people are confused. They say "most wanted list", but that's not the language Interpol ever uses. Interpol issued a "red notice" seeking his arrest for extradition. This is Interpol's highest level of inquiry, but they issue about 5000 such notices per year, and hence it is not a particularly unusual event. It happens virtually every time that a participating country formally asks Interpol for assistance in enforcing an already issued arrest warrant against a person that is believed to have traveled internationally, i.e. about 14 times per day. Dragons flight (talk) 05:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Nah, not putting it as "significant" as such, just thought it would be a cool topic considering the current news stuff. Rehman13:40, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Woah. That seemed kind of uncalled for. If anything on Misplaced Pages seems to be a waste of time to you, you're free to not participate in it. There's no need to take a tone. Swarm19:21, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Oppose per Dragons flight. It would be impossible to post every addition to such a list especially if it is not even a list but referred to as such by the media. --candle•wicke16:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I do feel this is significant and a nice piece of news, but this is essentially a development in Assange's overall legal troubles. His arrest and sentence would be notable, but I don't think we should cover every development in his legal troubles. Swarm19:18, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Iran executes Shahla Jahed by hanging eight years after she was sentenced to death for murdering the wife of footballer Nasser Mohammadkhani, her husband under a temporary marriage. (BBC)
A US armymedic receives 9 months in jail after pleading guilty to shooting two unarmed Afghan farmers for "no apparent reason". (Reuters)
i would support it for the biological part of it though. Phosphorous not a requirement for life is pretty interesting. -- Ashish-g5517:29, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Strong oppose. The very reason that arsenic is so toxic is because its chemistry is close to that of phosphorus, but not identical. Add in the fact that arsenic is at least three orders of magnitude rarer than phosphorus, and you you blow up the exobiology arguments. More shameless PR from NASA. Physchim62(talk)20:30, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Weak support yeah, the shameless PR worked now and might lead people to stop caring about these announced press conferences, but the actual proof of no-need-of-P for life is actually interesting. Nergaal (talk) 21:50, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
It's nice to have direct proof, but it was pretty much a given anyway. Certainly I would like to see the Science article anyway, but unless there's something amazing in there that didn't get leaked early I won't be changing my oppose !vote. Modest Genius23:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Coming from a Canadian who's been in -20 weather for weeks, this sounds like paradise. As sad as this is, weak support, since it is messing up Europe a bit. --PlasmaTwa218:56, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
weak support since it effects a large area and multiple countries. if you think its candidate for deletion then try nominating it for AfD, however i highly doubt it will get deleted -- Ashish-g5519:01, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Weak oppose, despite being in the middle of it. This isn't as bad as last winter, and the level of disruption isn't that high really. One major airport closed, delays to mainline trains, and some minor local closures. I'm not sure that's ITN fodder (yet). Modest Genius23:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Oppose It's too early to talk about the winter and not all Europe is hit by the snap. The southern regions which comprise big part of the continent are out of the chilly weather. In the previous years, whole continent was covered with such weather.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:04, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm conflicted. I can see the international interest, but what's the international significance? She was executed for murder, which though sad, is not unusual. This seems to be getting some additional publicity because her then-lover is a former footballer and current football coach and the unrelated sentencing of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani to death by stoning for adultery. There are doubts about Shahla Jahed's guilt, but that is not uncommon. I don't think those doubts or her ex-boyfriend make her execution ITN-worthy. Perhaps the international interest alone does.--Chaser (talk) 17:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Support - I believe that the above reasons that are given gives good grounds for ITN for this article. It has been highly publicized all over the world.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:12, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Ok I see. But I personally think that this particular execution and story differs because she was involved with a National football team player, which also recieved a punishment. Also in one of the newspapers covering this story it was revealed that Shahla was the 146h of something similar person this year to be executed. Non other execution this year or last has gained this mutch attention from the world news media.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:15, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
It could use some polishing, and perhaps it might be best to leave this 'till after the second round (on 5 December), or at least until the air is clear but...yeah, this is pretty important. The article itself needs to be updated (which will take time given the slowness of the Egyptian regime to report anything), but reports of abuse and even videos of ballot-stuffing are already up on the BBC and other reputable news outlets. Lockesdonkey (talk) 08:03, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm not so sure that it's non-NPOV. The big story--the one that's being reported--is the corruption, etc., as opposed to the fact that Egypt is holding an election. Much as the news in the Tongan election was that a majority of the parliament is elected (as opposed to who won) the news in the Egyptian election is that the election is corrupt (as opposed to who won). Saying that there are allegations of corruption, far from being an indication of taking sides, is simply reporting what is being reported--the fundamental function of ITN. It would be POV for us to say that the NDP won in a corrupt election; it is not POV of us to say that the NDP won the election, and that reliable sources claim the election was fraudulent (which is what it says now). Simply because we are NPOV doesn't mean we can't call a spade a spade (or rather, report that a spade is being called a spade) or that we have no backbone. Lockesdonkey (talk) 14:42, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
The problem, of course, being that there isn't much editing being done on the page to indicate the disputation of the election (editing the page from Egypt seems to be blocked). Lockesdonkey (talk) 15:19, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
"Highly disputed" is not NPOV. It could only be neutral if we described who disputed what and that would take up far more room than is available on ITN. Also, ITN blurbs tend to stick strictly to the facts and avoid any kind of commentary, which is why the WikiLeaks blurb doesn't say "a wanted international fugitive releases hundreds of thousands of documents, embarrassing a lot of Yanks and potentially putting peoples' lives in danger". HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:59, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Strong oppose to any blurb that puts a qualifier on the nature of the elections; to do that is to send us down the slippery slope (which country, after all, invented gerrymandering). If the NDP "won", lets just say they won and let readers go to they article for details of how. We are giving a link to the article, after all, not the news story. Physchim62(talk)02:26, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
There's no way we're going to put qualifiers like 'highly disputed' on any blurb. Even the Burmese and North Korean election blurbs didn't carry such comments. ITNR item, so this should go up, but the article needs some tidying up as well as adding the results table and a prose update. Modest Genius14:06, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
NASA teaser
A press conference regarding astrobiology will be held tomorrow Worth keeping an eye on this. (last time the black hole announced was not ITN-special but let's wait and see). --Tone09:23, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Right, this teaser looks just as appetizing, but from past experiences, let's wait and see what we've got before we get any more excited. __meco (talk) 14:48, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
An inquiry is ordered over the death of an immigrant in France, who was tear gassed, batoned, and twice tasered during an incident which left four police injured. (BBC)
Students protest in Rome and other Italian cities as politicians threaten to cut funding for education and research. (BBC)
Officials from multinational corporations Royal Dutch Shell and Halliburton are to be questioned in Nigeria in relation to bribery scandals and corruption. (BBC)
Ecuador invites Julian Assange of WikiLeaks to speak publicly and offers him residency where he can make more revelations. Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez praises the website and calls for the resignation of U.S. secretary of state Hillary Clinton. (BBC)
The easing of Israel's blockade of Gaza six months ago has led to "little improvement" for people living there, a report by 21 aid and rights agencies says; Israeli officials says that the claims "are biased and distorted" and that truckloads of supplies entering the Gaza Strip has increased from 86 to 176 truckloads per day, since June.(The Jerusalem Post)(BBC)(Al Jazeera)
FIFA Vice-President and CAF President Issa Hayatou denies allegations of bribery and threatens to sue the BBC after its Panorama programme alleges he received bribes from sports marketing firm ISL. (BBC)
Support if and only if its the most significant award, as we don't post that many business stories, but otherwise it isn't important enough for consideration IMO. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
i can understand posting a human who designed something innovative for the car. but posting a car... whats next, comfiest sofa of the year? i dont know it doesnt sound like ITN material -- Ashish-g5520:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Support - What is different here is that this is the first time an electric car was nominated and won this award. No car award will be considered "the most significant," but it is a major award. Notable, interesting and historic. Jusdafax21:30, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Oppose. As stated in a previous nomination, the best thing to do would probably be to wait for it to release, and then post a blurb announcing the release of the first mass-produced electric car by a major manufacturer. Unless ITN would want to re-post when that happens. EricLeb (Page | Talk)22:11, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Iranian nuclear scientist Majid Shahriari is killed and his wife injured, while another scientist is wounded during two attacks in Tehran. Iran says Western governments and Israel may have carried out the killing. (BBC)(Al Jazeera)
12 of the 18 candidates in Haiti's presidential election call for a cancelled vote, describing it as fraudulent and favouring the ruling party, as the UN expresses "deep concern" and thousands of people march in Port-au-Prince . (BBC)(Al Jazeera)
This should not be a default reason for oppose, we've had cases when the article was in a bad shape but quickly expanded afterwards and was thus appropriate for ITN. No particular opinion otherwise, in this case. --Tone23:05, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Support. Unfortunately not every article receives the attention it deserves unless something such as death occurs and then it receives attention. Akhmadulina, as GreyHood has said, was as well-known as Voznesensky and appeared in packed stadiums too. Voznesensky was also several years older when he died and was posted. Dmitry Medvedev and Vladimir Putin have both paid tribute and Medevedev has written on his blog that Akhmadulina's poetry is a "classic of Russian literature". She was given numerous awards and received high praise from 1987 Nobel Prize recipient Joseph Brodsky. She appears then to pass 2. "The deceased was a very important figure in their field of expertise, and was recognised as such." --candle•wicke00:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Oppose KevinMcE's point is quite reasonable - if no-one could be bothered writing a comprehensive article on the subject while she was alive, it's a fairly good indication that she wasn't all that important. Anyway, I judge deaths on whether the death was notable, which usually involves weighing the following factors: (a) the person's age; (b) the extent to which the person was active in their field at the time of their death; (c) whether the death was in unexpected circumstances; (d) the impact of the death on current events; and (e) the importance of the person. (a) through (d) say quite strongly this isn't important so I don't think we should post it.--Mkativerata (talk) 02:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
But why should anyone be "bothered" to write comprehensive articles on everything that is important especially while alive? For example, the article on Mikhail Lermontov, a poet she has been compared to, is not in a good state (and he has been dead for some time) but surely his importance is not decreased because of this? Surely what matters is the current state of the article (which is better than when the nomination was made)? --candle•wicke06:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
The current state of the article matters in deciding whether it is fit for posting. But the former state of the article is a useful reference for deciding whether the subject was that important: for important people, you expect comprehensive articles in good shape. It's only an indicative factor and care needs to be taken in applying it, but taking it into account is not illegitimate.--Mkativerata (talk) 06:13, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
It matters because if no-one "is bothered" to write articles Misplaced Pages does not exist! If the individual were of great interest to Wiki readership there would at least be many comments in the talk page seeking expansion of the article, even if there were few editors qualified to expand it. Comments in an obituary, and even more so testimonials from public figures and erstwhile colleagues, will generally be glowing and tend toward exaggeration of the importance and merits of the deceased: we've all been to enough funerals to know that, so they are not the best yardstick of impact. We have established in the past that simply being a nobel prize winner does not make one ITNworthy on death: having had a laureate compliment one even less so.Kevin McE (talk) 08:00, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Plase, take a look at the article about Andrei Voznesensky before his dead. Based on your criterion, he wasn't also notable, but his death was mentioned in the ITN template. So, please note another criterion, rather than technically eliminating the nominations.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Oppose per the aboves. And Candlewick, for the 1000th time, nobody gives a shit about what this or that obituary says. DCT•C07:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Eh, was that necessary? Obituaries aren't written for every death, especially by the New York Times, and as such they're usually a good indication the person was pretty important. f o x13:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
The quote from a 1993 book calling her "one of the great poets of the 20th century" does not date from after the death. Not sure what to say to the choice of words above... :( --candle•wicke16:28, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Can't vouch for anyone else, but I don't feel a need to. If the fame of the person is not such that I would imagine any reasonably well informed person knows of them, or their acheivement is not so unique that it deserves higher profile, I for one will oppose posting the mere fact of death at ITN. I suspect I am not alone... Kevin McE (talk) 17:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Read what I said:"or their acheivement is not so unique that it deserves higher profile": but yes, unless the circumstances of the death are extraordinary, the newsworthiness of a person's death is pretty much proportional to their fame. I'm not talking about the importance of the person, but the newsworthiness of their passing. The only real exception to that would be the death of the last person of a notable category (eg last WWI veteran). Kevin McE (talk) 20:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Comment Lol. This discussion becomes more and more meaningless. I wonder how could you compare the previous shape of the article with the notability of the person. If you see it in bad shape, just fix it. It's clearly stated she was "one of the greatest poets of the 20th century".--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:04, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Comment All the opposes here are based on the issue that the subject's article was too short before her death. It's a valid point, but I don't think it should be prohibitive. For heaven's sake, we all know that article length on Misplaced Pages doesn't equate to notability. Otherwise we would consider Star Wars to be more notable than Chinese Art. If the article can be brought up to an appropriate state now, and if notability can be established (I'm undecided on both counts) it should be considered.--Johnsemlak (talk) 12:00, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
That is a misrepresentation: the state of the article is being taken as an indicator of the importance that the Misplaced Pages community (those for whom we maintain ITN) attributes to the person. It borders on the hypocritical to suddenly argue the importance of a person whose article has been in a state of neglect for a long time. Kevin McE (talk) 20:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
That's just what I meant. Articles on topics that are famous or popular might be in an excellent state because there are many who want to work on them. But there may be, for example, a scientist who has achieved something but who is at the same time not such a celebrity. Just look at the Robert G. Edwardsarticle as he was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. Using the same logic such a person would not be posted if he died now because his article might not have been long enough before he did. --candle•wicke17:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
But considering the fact that several people who are notable in terms of Misplaced Pages inclusion die every day, the state of their article at the time of death is a fair indication of how much interest our readers and editors have in any one of them, and the degree of interest is presumably an indicator of whether their death is ITNworthy. I suspect that among yesterdays death, at least him and him are at least equally deserving and impressive in their CVs, and have more substantive articles, and in terms merely of popular interest, this guy probably trumps them all. Kevin McE (talk) 16:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Oppose I'm afraid I've never heard of the guy - and while Chinese art is probably more important than Star Wars I'm sure its article is more than 19 sentences long. Additionally given the NYT has multiple obituaries a day having one there can't mean its good enough to be posted here. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:54, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Oppose Obviously notable person, but this news isn't that significant in the grand scheme of things. Don't get me wrong, this news hurts. It may not hurt as much as jumping on a bicycle without a saddle, but it hurts. Lugnuts (talk) 13:28, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Support's fine but there needs to be a better update. I've done a bit of searching but I can't find much that's notable enough to add to the article. I would have thought that the death of a prominent Canadian might have gotten a comment from the Canadian PM--that would be a good thing to add. But the reactions of a few relatively insignificant actors isn't really notable enough. The Chilean front page did catch my eye, it sure goes to notability. We might need to give this one time until we have some reactions worth adding.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I also tried to add detail, nothing but twitters from famous people etc, I think there is consensus to add this. Secret23:16, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I'm neutral on this item, but spent half an hour hunting around for useful quotes or further info to add on his death. There's an absolute ton of coverage, but it's all obituaries, 'best moments', quotes from the man himself, or the banal 'he was funny' type reactions from middling comedians. It's probably as good as it's going to get, and is a GA, so I think this would be fine to post. Modest Genius23:37, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
How about "Occasionally prominent Canadian actor Leslie Nielsen dies at very old age to little reaction". But in all seriousness, why not the usual "Canadian-American actor Leslie Nielsen dies at the age of 84".--Mkativerata (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
BTW, should we switch Julian's picture for Leslie's? My contempt for the former is just so extraordinarily high that I'd feel uncomfortable use the tools to do it myself.--Mkativerata (talk) 00:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
You shouldn't then ;) We usually try to keep images up for 24 hours at least, because we never know where a new usable image is going to come from: if we swap too early, we're left with images which stay on far too long (like Andry Rajoelina recently) Physchim62(talk)00:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, a cropped version of File:Leslie Nielsen.jpg would be good after about 1000 UTC. Apart from the practical aspects of having even fewer usable images than usable stories on ITN, it would be a huge breach of WP:NPOV to take down the image of Assange simply because some editors do not approve of it/him on personal, subjective grounds. Physchim62(talk)01:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:) then! I've just had several of these conversations in the past! One person complained on WP:ERRORS that it was "always the second entry that had the picture" so why didn't the current second entry have the picture... If I remember correctly, the second entry at the time was the death of J. D. Salinger, so no free image was available even if it would have satisfied the user concerned! ;) Physchim62(talk)02:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Sorry we're probably crossing wires. I was clarifying that my objection to the picture was not related to my views on Assange. (Actually, I proposed switching the picture to Wikileaks/Assange in the first place over at T:MP). --Mkativerata (talk) 02:23, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Seems like we're crossing wires, yes, that happens from time to time. For the moment, we have a nice image schedule: Assange → Nielson (if someone does the crop) → whoever wins the Ivoirien presidential election (we've got free images of both of them). Assuming nothing comes along to f*ck that up... which will happen, that is one of the joys of ITN ;) Physchim62(talk)02:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Belated support: I grew up watching this guy. And I'm only in my twenties. An amazing actor. So what if he was in his eighties? What? Deaths are less notable if the person is old at the time? Nightw00:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
More support and thank you for posting this. A very sad loss. Even at 84, he was not in fragile health and his death was unexpected and sudden. Time for a movie night. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ¢05:56, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm a bit concerned we posted this without the required update, despite the consensus that he was notable enough. All front page sections have standards, and as I think User:Howard the Duck once said, ITN is the least stringent on content. I do think it's nice to have a GA linked but the purpose of ITN is to link to articles that have been "substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest." Now that it's been posted I think the best course of action is to try to improve the update, and I'll take that discussion to WP:ERRORS but I think we should bear this in mind.--Johnsemlak (talk) 12:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
The more I think about this, the more I think this should not have been posted, for two very significant reasons. a). It does not meet ITN criteria. ITN's criteria are rather vague, but for deaths the Misplaced Pages:In_the_news#Deaths criteria are reasonably specific, and I don't believe Neilson meets any of them. Given that he didn't' win any acting awards or other significant recognition I can't see him meeting #2, a very important figure in their field of expertise, and was recognised as such. I agree he is a popular actor, but in the past that hasn't been good enough. HOwever, even if we concede that consensus trumped this issue, there's still b) The article did not meet the required update. I've tried to update the article but there just don't seem to be reactions to his death that are notable enough to include in the article. I think this is not unrelated to the issue of his notability I mentioned in point a). We have always insisted that ITN postings meet a very basic minimum of an update and I don't know why Leslie Neilson's death was really notable enough to make an exception. I am not suggesting we remove it as that is a can of worms but I hope that this precedent isn't followed.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
It's ITN/R and we posted the Australian Football and rugby league finals. The article could use more prose, perhaps about the build-up and aftermath of the final. --Mkativerata (talk) 05:06, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Weak Support - It could be quite good post. The scores are not needed here but some of the information is sufficiently significant. --Anirudh Emani (talk) 05:35, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Move the sport to the front of the blurb: if it happened 13 years ago it is not a particularly historic acheivement, so drop that part. Kevin McE (talk) 07:34, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm going to say Oppose while the article is in its current state. There's very little prose text at all. There should be more than just a minimum update on the game.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Sort of. There's still no prose about the actual game, just a set of statistics and 'match facts', plus a description of the half-time show. Modest Genius14:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
The White House issues a statement of condemnation "in the strongest terms the unauthorised disclosure of classified documents and sensitive national security information". (BBC)
The EU approves an €85 billion rescue deal for Ireland, which includes €10 billion for bank recapitalisation, €25 billion for banking contingencies and €50 billion for financing the budget. (RTÉ)(BBC)
Voters in Egypt go to the polls for parliamentary elections amid reports of the detention of hundreds of opposition supporters, scattered violence, vote buying and the ejection of independent monitors as the government cracks down on the opposition; 21 people are wounded in skirmishes connected with the poll. (Bloomberg)(AP)(Tehran Times)(People)
Continuing economic crisis for Europe and the Euro. Front page news on the New York Times and Huffington Post. Not sure where the anchor article is yet, so putting this up for discussion. Jusdafax00:32, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Conditional oppose On principle, this isn't as significant as the four grand slams and four times a year is enough tennis. On the other hand, the article looks to have potential: if the day-by-day summary could be fully sourced I would consider supporting on the basis of a high quality article.--Mkativerata (talk) 23:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Oppose Not a major, not even a very stably established competition, not a record, but only a share in one, in only 23 years this fifth win has been acheived 3 times. Kevin McE (talk) 07:39, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Haiti is electing its senators, parliament and its president. Pretty significant considering what this country's gone through recently—hurricanes, earthquakes, epidemics... The article could use some work though. Nightw03:27, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Apparently ballot stuffing and other types of vote corruption is going on, with 12 candidates wanting to cancel the election. So some are saying that results will only surface within weeks. EricLeb (Page | Talk)22:41, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Elections marred by violence and controversy. Nothing unusual for this part of the world, but these are the first elections since the civil war, and are under close scrutiny at the moment, from both the AU and the UNSC. The UN peace-keeping mission UNOCI is overseeing the election. It's amazing that they're even having them, in my opinion. Nightw03:27, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Support per above. Also note that the election is five years overdue. Outdated tag needs to be dealt with first, though. EricLeb (Page | Talk)04:00, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
ITNR, so once the results are added and the prose updated it should go up. We also have freely-licensed images of both candidates. Modest Genius22:28, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Neutral I thought to nominate this, but got side-tracked since there is no article about the crash yet. I don't think big or small plane crashes could be measured only with its death toll.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Oppose: Bus or train crashes that have similar tolls are, sadly, neither rare nor widely reported; plane crashes are not that uncommon either, so why would that one mode of transport raise the event to ITN profile? Kevin McE (talk) 13:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
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