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Welcome JJstroker!

xaosflux /_CVU 15:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

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hi

Regarding Abraham Lincoln

(copied from User talk:Xaosflux)

Why did you take off my Lincoln quote? It was just a quote from a speech. I also posted the original speech manuscript. Please do not take it off again. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JJstroker (talk • contribs)

My only recent contrinution to that article was This one where I removed a POV edit by anonymous editor 70.22.71.242, reverting the article to the edits that you put in. My edit summary stated: (Reverted edits by 70.22.71.242 to last version by JJstroker). Please re-review the article history and let me know if I have removed any content that you feel is approriate to the article. {Please reply on My Talk Page} xaosflux /_CVU 15:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I have replied to your messages on my talk page at User_talk:JimWae#Deism_.26_the_presidents--JimWae 03:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Copyright of Image:Pict0001.jpg

Hi there, thanks for uploading Image:Pict0001.jpg. I noticed that there is some required information missing from the image description. The Wikimedia Foundation has to be very careful about the images included in Misplaced Pages because of copyright law. We need you to specify two things on the image description page:

• who created the image
• the copyright status

If you created the image:
If you haven't already, please add a note in the description of the image saying that you created it.
Next you need to choose a copyright license so that people on Misplaced Pages know what they can and cannot do with your image. There are only a few tags that apply to images you created yourself. Once you have decided which one you wish to use, simply copy the tag exactly as shown into the image description. Please note that you MUST allow people to freely use and copy your image (you may apply some conditions to that), else it may not be used on Misplaced Pages.

If you didn't create the image:
If you haven't already, please provide a URL to the site it came from (or the name of the source if it didn't come from a website) and the name of the person or organisation that owns the copyright.
You next need to add a copyright tag so that other users know how the image may be used. Please browse the list of image copyright tags and determine which applies to the image. If, after browsing this page, you are unsure of the tag to add, please add a {{Don't know}} tag to the image description and someone will help you choose the correct tag.

Please note that if you do not choose a copyright tag for the image within seven days, it will be deleted. Please could you ensure that any other images you have uploaded also have the above information in the description - you can see a list of the images you've uploaded by clicking on My Contributions and selecting Image from the drop-down box. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask on my talk page. Thanks! --David Johnson 01:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

• This also applies to Image:BuchananPat.jpg and Image:Buchanan1.jpg. David Johnson 02:26, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Hi, if an image was created by the federal/a state government, please choose the appropriate license tag from here. Books and images from books are usually copyrighted - but if you're sure content from the book is free to use for any purpose, please choose the appropriate tag from here. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions. David Johnson 12:45, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Dale Carnegie

Hi JJStoker. Thanks for your work on the Dale Carnegie article. I have reversed the changes that you made to remove the info regarding the Dale Carnegie course (in the belief that it is too large a deletion to make without seeking consensus), but I do acknowledge your concern that the information might be unencyclopedic. I have created a new section on the Talk:Dale Carnegie page to discuss this, and would like to hear your opinion in detail: please add it to the discussion. BreathingMeat 21:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Emilie Berliner

Please do not create blank pages. They will be speedily deleted, and you are wasting your own time and the time of everyone else. Thank you. -- King of Hearts | (talk) 00:18, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Michael Peroutka

I got curious - how is this person considered "Czech" apart from having Czech sounding name, and perhaps having Czech ancestors century or more ago? Pavel Vozenilek 02:47, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

George Washington's Farewell Address

The Inline Citation links to a Wikiquote entire text of the Farewell Address. The other link goes to another quote of it. The Farewell Address was summarized very well in the Misplaced Pages article as it is. So I guess what I'm asking is why did you feel it necessary to quote much of the Address in the Misplaced Pages article on George Washington? --Trevdna 21:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

That section of the article is on the Farewell Address and the ideas it was trying to espouse. We summarize it, and offer links (inline citations) to the full text for anyone who wants to know. But just quoting the whole thing in the middle of a Misplaced Pages article doesn't get across the message you were trying to. Summarizing it in greater depth in the (sub)section (Geroge Washington stated the he felt *** about *** and he detailed his resaoning in the address, located here) is an option, but quoting it in the middle of the article as block text (with little explanation or context) isn't helpful.

Even as it is, with the link to the text, it feels unnessicary to quote it - what purpose does it serve?

Also, you can sign your signature at the bottom of your comments using four tildes (~~~~). There's a way you want it to read "Eric" (I forget offhand), but doing that to link to your user page or user talk gives Wikipedian's a feeling of comfort (like you aren't an imposter or something). It's irrational, but hey: that's life.

--Trevdna 05:02, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've made the links to the text, and to the subarticle on the Farewell Address much more conspicuous (for those that are interested, or confused by his beliefs), but I think that most people agree that the quotations of the text overall weaken the section. I really don't want to make you feel antagonized, but my opinion is that the text just doesn't belong in that article. Please discuss this on the talk page - I would feel much better taking this out if I knew I had your approval (everyone should have their opinion valued), so please respond on the George Washington's talk page.

Thanks, and happy editing! --Trevdna 04:11, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Clark Gable photo

Hi, Recently you added a photo of Clark Gable citing www.sconefest.com as the source. Can you please provide a link to where you got the photo from. I can't find it on that site and it doesn't look like the type of site that would normally have pictures of people like Gable, so perhaps there's been some mistake. We'd also need to be able to verify that the copyright holder has revoked all rights to the image, so if you could provide a link there as well, it would be greatly appreciated. thanks Rossrs 23:06, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Image:Clarkgable2.jpg, unless you provide a correct source (other than www.sconefest.com), it will be deleted. Thanks, adnghiem501 (talk) 03:58, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Racial policy of Nazi Germany

I see you changed "racist" to "racialist".

From the article on Racialism, we have this statement:

Supporters of racialism say that "racism" implies racial supremacism and a harmful intent,
whereas "racialism" indicates a strong interest in matters of race without these connotations.

Are you saying that the Nazis did not believe that the "Aryan Race" was superior to other races, and had no harmful intent against other races? Camillus (talk) 16:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

He's a 'white nationalist', so it's possible that he denies the Holocaust even happened. -VetteDude 20:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

German Americans

Thanks for the compliment. I did add captions. I'm pretty sure that the uncaptioned people are 100% German (a lot were born in Germany). It's basically organized now but I'm sure it's incomplete. JackO'Lantern 06:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

btw, two "biggies" I was wondering about are Herbert Hoover and John Tyler, U.S. presidents. I removed both because it was pretty clear that if they had any German ancestry, it was very distant. Hoover's Wiki says he was of German descent, but I couldn't find that info anywhere else on the net. Richard Nixon's Wiki entry used to say that he was part German, but it got removed. Do you know for sure if any of them were actually part German? I heard that Hoover being German is some kind of Internet myth. JackO'Lantern 06:29, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Here is Hoover's family tree , the family was originally German, but by the time Herbert was born the ancestry was very distant. Hoover's parents names were Jesse Clark Hoover and Huldah Randall Minthorn. JackO'Lantern 06:47, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Nelson Mandela

Regarding Image:NelsonmandelaJOESlovo.jpg (from www.nelsonmandela.net?? I cannot find it), you say

This image is copyrighted. The copyright holder allows anyone to use it for any purpose.

Can you substantiate that, please ? Wizzy…☎ 09:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

You've inserted a nice image of Nelson Mandela and Fidel Castro in the International Diplomacy section of Mandela's article. Can you also add some text to go with the photo? Otherwise, it's likely to be removed.Phase4 11:14, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Your reply regarding Racialist/Racist

I feel your reply is not satisfactory, as you talk about the feelings of the German people rather than the policy of the Nazis. The article is about the policies of the Nazis, which I believe can be objectively described as "racist" (ie. advocating racial superiority of one race vis-a-vis other races , and advocating that repressive measure be taken against other "inferior" races), rather than just "racialist" (ie. advocating separatism, without necessarily advocating repression of other races). These policies were evident even before the Nazis took power, and they wasted little time in putting them into effect, rather than your suggestion that they "came later".

I have changed the lead sentence to say:

The racial policy of Nazi Germany refers to the policies and laws implemented by Nazi Germany, asserting the superiority of
the "Aryan race", and including measures aimed primarily against Jews.

I feel that this is objective, and allows the user to make up their own mind whether these laws were "racist" or "racialist".

I see that you have created another account under User:JJStroker (note caps). Perhaps this was a mistake? Camillus (talk) 17:50, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Aussie Racism

Racism: "Racism refers to beliefs, practices, and institutions that discriminate against people based on their perceived or ascribed "race". Racialism: Racialism is the controversial belief in the existence and significance of racial categories, the existence of which are themselves often disputed. Clearly the White Australia policy discriminates against people based on their perceived or ascribed "race". I have edite the article now so that racialism refers to the believes and racism to the actions:

Australia was not the only nation to have such racist immigration policies. The United States, Canada, and New Zealand also had racially restrictive immigration policies in the 19th and early 20th centuries. At this time many Europeans believed that there were deep and innate differences between races, and that their own race was superior to all other races. However, it should be noted that these racialist views were common across anglo-saxon societies at the time, and were generally accompanied by racist policies (see Komagata Maru, Jim Crow law, Red Summer of 1919) . Although the acceptance of slavery was long gone in Europe, racism was still accepted practice.

Thanks for your clarification Harrypotter 14:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC) Harrypotter 14:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. I have looked at your changes and really the issue you make about opinion is quite spurious - as the distinction between racism as practices and institutions and racialism as beliefs has been amply demonstrated. Clearly there are no genuine non-racist racialists in Australia (if indeed such people exist) because they would quickly emigrate returning the country to the aborigines who they pretend to respect. Bye the bye have you read Kwame Anthony Appiah's book In my Father's House, which you would probably love. With an English mother and an African father he has first had experience of tackiling both racism and racialism, and has some interesting reflections on W.E.B. Dubois's move away from racialism (which I think was prompted by the real horrors of Auschwitz etc. - he even changed his commenst about Jews in The Souls of Black Folk. Also I hope you appreciate the article on the Pacific Movement of the Eastern World which chronicles a group of African American Black nationalists who sided with th Japanese during Second World War. Of course, the hard line racists in the Australia First Movement did just the same!!! I'm afraid I can't help being fascinated by the sheer stupidity that some of us as human beings are capable of.Harrypotter 22:40, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Piper22.jpg

Hi you stated this image was from Yahoo Movies but I looked here and I can't find it. Also you added a norightsreserved tag, that is not the correct tag. If it's from Yahoo movies you should use the promo tag. Also please note no wireimage or special events photos can be used. Arniep 15:32, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Just find the exact link and post it on the image page. I see you have given incorrect sources for a lot of other pics so can you supply the correct url for those also. Thanks Arniep 12:48, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Fan sites are not acceptable sources. You need to get an image from an official website or yahoo movies/music/imdb and quote the copyright info stated there. Arniep 10:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Project-2 40.jpg listed for deletion

Image:Lauraangel2.jpg listed for deletion

Staecker 04:35, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed that you removed the deletion notice from this image. If you think that the image should be kept on Misplaced Pages, you need to register your opinion at the image's listing on Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please don't remove the deletion notice, as this is a pain for us to replace. Staecker 14:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I just left a reply on my talk page. Please stop removing the deletion notice- that's not the way to dispute a deletion proposal. You are only removing a notice, but not actually causing the image to be preserved. Visit Misplaced Pages:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2006_January_15, and stick a little comment under its listing. This is the place where users can debate, and a consensus can be reached about what to do. Staecker 22:01, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Image listed for deletion

Image:Charlize_theron2.jpg has been marked as a possible copyright violation. You claim that this image has been released for promotional use but the copyright statement of the web site itself specifically does not say that. If you believe this image has been marked incorrectly, please add your justification to the discussion page itself. Do not remove the copyvio notice from the image. Thanks. --Yamla 17:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for following up on this. However, the web site specifically claims copyright on the image and there are no terms that I can see allowing its use outside of that site itself. You say, though, that the image was released. Do you have any evidence of this? If so, please add it to the image's discussion page. Thanks. --Yamla 19:51, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your willingness to work on this. I'm exceptionally busy today and tomorrow but I'll make a note on the image's page that you think it is either not copyrighted or is free use and I'll try to dig up proof later on in the week. --Yamla 20:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Carchap.jpg

Do you have a source for the image Image:Carchap.jpg? It's listed as copyright but free for any purpose--who released it as such? Thanks. Chick Bowen 18:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly on this. I'm still not seeing the website, though--where did you post it? Thanks again, sorry to be a nuisance. Chick Bowen 01:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I added the source to the image description page. Chick Bowen 02:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Your deletions

I noticed you deleted all the red links fomr List of Poles without consulting anyone. You seem like a relatively new user, so maybe you don't understand that the point of having the red links is so articles CAN be made for the people, and if you delete them will lose all potential for additions. I would advise you next time to make sure of what you're doing before going on mass deletions of names. Thanks. Antidote 21:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I have noticed you have done the same thing on List of Czechs and I have reverted your edits, as I cannot see any benefit coming out of these actions. Lists are almost practically MEANT for red links, that's why Misplaced Pages doesn't exclusively use categories. Thanks. Antidote 21:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Seeing the deletion I quite agree with it. The list should not contain every Czech or person living in Czech lands but the most important. With few exceptions (Mikolas Ales) the deleted people are not the most important and known. Pavel Vozenilek 02:08, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

By the way, you have generally done a good job editing the articles for these lists so I know that you are good-natured in your deletions. But please understand why we keep red links in lists, and keep up the good work with your other edits. Antidote 21:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Response

I understand what you mean perfectly, and in a way, I agree. However, I disagree with a few specifics. For example, "Also the people usually with red links are not as influential as people with full pages otherwise they would have had a page." is not necessarily the most sound logic. I don't know about the Czech list, but a good amount of red links on the Polish list are valuable people awaiting an article. It's usually the luck of the draw who gets the article first when you get down to the details.

Indeed, red links don't look pretty, and sometimes overlisting occurs (such as the Polish-American sports players section). Stuff like that definitely needs to be pruned, but in general red links should stay. If we could get others to agree (which I doubt) then I would agree to a move of all the red links to something like List of Poles/unarticled, but that goes against the standards of Misplaced Pages. As of now, I think both lists should remain with the red links only because it's a common practice for lists. However, once the red links are filled up, it is absolutely necessary to prune the lists to only include the most famous representatives. As a matter of fact, I was planning on making some stubs for the article-less names in List of Poles in a few days, so we'll see where to go from there. Antidote 02:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, whats so cool about Misplaced Pages it is that is almost entirely self-regulating. In other words, almost immediately when a "vanity" red link is entered into the list, someone spots it and removes it. So, we can be fairly confident that a goot 95% of the red links on, at least, the Polish list are notable. Antidote 02:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

You have my support for moving the red links to either another page or the bottom of the same page. You are correct in assuming this will ignite some article-making. The problem is I don't WP:OWN either of the articles, and so you might come across a few people who disagree. Anyway, your work on the German-American article was good. Recently, I have been filling up the red links on the List of Serbs articles. So as soon as I think I'm close to done on there, I'll start some of the Polish ones. Antidote 02:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Tararied22.jpg

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Image:Sag22.jpg listed for deletion

We can't use wireimage photos; those are copyright violation not allowed on Misplaced Pages. Thanks, adnghiem501 (talk) 07:29, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

No, you're wrong. This photo comes from WireImage.com, and you're not allowed to take it from a yahoo source unless you have permission by a copyright holder. adnghiem501 (talk) 08:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

The image has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion/2006 January 28. Please see it there why it's put up for deletion. adnghiem501 (talk) 02:14, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Renny32.jpg

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Karl Stefan

Hi, thanks for the picture of Karl Stefan. Is that your picture or some uncopyrighted source? I've been looking for a place to get puplic domain images for these people I've been writing about. Thanks--Rayc 20:00, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Clarkgable2.jpg

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Image copyright problem with Image:Car2.jpg

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Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thank you. -SCEhardT 17:09, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Image source and copyright status

Hi JJ. I noticed that you upload a lot of images, but almost none of them have sufficient source or copyright status. For example, Image:Fuk22.jpg, which you uploaded today. You tagged it with {{PD-USGov}}, but you give no reason to think that tag is actually true. You need to provide more information about photos you upload, or they will get deleted. dbenbenn | talk 21:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Fuko is a US government employee and the photo was released from a gov website/ organization. Its government released. 90 percent of the photos I upload are either premeire press release photos or government releated.

JJstroker 21:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

By "Fuko", do you mean the subject, Francis Fukuyama? According to that article, he works for Johns Hopkins University. Regardless, the copyright is held by the photographer, not the subject. For the PD-USGov tag to apply, the photographer would have to be a US federal government employee. dbenbenn | talk 21:41, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh I made a mistake I had the wrong person. I upload a lot of photos. It was a university released photo and I am not sure what that would go under. But all of the uploads I make I am sure to get the copyright correct. Sometimes I may make a mistake which comes with the territory but almost all of them are legit.

JJstroker 21:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Why do you think it's a "university released photo"? The issue isn't whether the copyright tags you use are correct; you have to include enough information that others can verify the status.

Another example is Image:Ndg132.jpg. You found it on a North Dakota government web site, which is not public domain. Look at the very bottom of nd.gov.

Another example is Image:Tauzen.jpg, which you tagged with {{promotional}} without any explanation of why you think that tag applies. dbenbenn | talk 22:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:EddieAlbert1.jpg

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Image copyrights

You wrote on Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems :

Copyright "violation" for http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Davidchockachi2.jpg. This is ridiculous and I would appreciate if you noobie editors would stop wasting my time. Why dont you try uploading pictures for a change? The photo is from a premeire which is always press release. The copyright is fine. Please remove the copyright violation.

Please note that press release photos are still copyrighted by the photographer and/or agency that released it. We can probably use them under fair use, but you need to document it properly. Please see Image:Davidchockachi2.jpg to see how I handled it. Furthermore, I believe you are the "noobie" here; you've been doing this less than two months whereas the editor tagged it for copyvio (User:Adnghiem501) started five months before you. I see you've been notified a number of times for copyright problems; please heed the above messages. Copyrights are tricky things and it takes some time before you get used to it. Thanks! howcheng {chat} 00:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Billrancic2.jpg

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Image Tagging Image:Jamescarville2.jpg

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Evan Mecham

Do you have any sources to back up this recent addition? None of the sources I hove found state that the claims of racism may be refuted due to King's possible ties to communism, or argue that King should not have a holiday because noone else has yet had a holiday named for them. Instead most sources that provide a possible explanation for the cancelation of the holiday cite Attorney General Bill Corbin's opinion that the holiday was created illegally. --Allen3  04:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I personally agree with you that racism was most likely not the reason for Mecham's cancelaton of the MLK holiday. Despite this, I feel your addition does not fully comply with Misplaced Pages:Verifiability. It is the job of Misplaced Pages to report the facts available from reliable sources in a fair, balanced, and neutral manor. In that respect, if you see a way to reorganize the information currently available or find sources for additional information then I encourage you to make appropriate updates. Without apporpriate refences however, your new claims will need to be removed. --Allen3  13:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I am not discounting the claims that King womanized or had communist ties (the plagiarism charges did not become public until 1990), or that Mecham's history strongly suggests that he would have disapproved of these activities. What I am saying is that there does not appear to be any sources to tie Mecham's decision to cancel the MLK holiday to these charges against King. The closest I have found is from the Watkins book were it is claimed that the Arizona voters would have likely accepted such an arguement if it had been made. Without a source to show that King's actions were the reason for Mecham's cancelation, then any claim as to the specific reason is unverifiable and original research. The inclusion that "People question that if King was worthy of the honor..." sufferes from vauge wording that also makes verification difficult. --Allen3  22:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Please take a look at the change to your text I have just made. It leaves out the list of accusations against King, but I believe that it better serves the purpose of showing that Mecham was not fairly treated in relation to the MLK day cancelation. --Allen3  17:13, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

hey/ help

I need to create a page and I dont know how to do it correctly. Can you please offer me some type of assistance? Thanks! JJstroker 02:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Howdy, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! I can absolutely help, what are you trying to do? Regards, CHAIRBOY (☎) 04:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh great. Thanks I really appreciate it. I would like to know how to start new pages for articles that I would like to write with the correct title. How can I do that?

Thanks,

JJstroker 04:57, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I think I understand what you're asking for. If you'll review WP:MOS, you'll see that article names should have proper capitalization. For instance, don't capitalize every first letter to each word unless it's a name, etc. I'm thinking the biggest thing is to google the person/item you're writing with wikipedia as one of the search terms first to make sure someone else hasn't already written about it. Without more data, I can't suggest anything more, what specific article are you trying to write? - CHAIRBOY (☎) 05:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Greek Americans

Nice work on Greek-Americans; the article did need some categorizations. Only comment: I don't think it is appropriate to separate the Greek Jews out from the rest of the names. By the way, if you notice anyone entering "Hastopolis" on the list, please rv it if I don't see it first; this is a name with 0 google hits, even on the website of the radio station where he supposedly works. sys < in 07:10, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

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Hi, Zinn does not call himself a liberal and neither does anyone else. "liberal" suggests an affinity for the Democratic Party, and no one has ever accused Zinn of that. Is it okay with you to remove the liberal label? thanks. skywriter 06:00, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm moving this here to keep the conversation in one place. Well he is widely seen as a leftists writer. Isn't he an avowed socialist? I dont mind removing it as long as he is a confirmed conservative writer. (Neo conservatism cant apply) etc. Thanks for asking me.

JJstroker 06:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh no, he does not fit the label "conservative" by any stretch of anyone's imagination. He's to the left of liberal, and critical of electoral politics. He says that's not where fundamental change occurs. I guess it comes down to what you define as liberal. I don't know about "avowed" either. I've never heard him or read anywhere that he's labeled himself along the lines of "socialist" or "liberal" or "anarchist." He's more subtle than that and has positive and negative things to say about different political systems. Based on his interests and the fact that he consistently takes the side of the working class, that takes him out of the realm of being a capitalist, philosophically as well as practically. He plants himself firmly on the side of people fighting back against oppression. What's an accurate label for that? Revolutionary? I guess the problem with the term "liberal" is that it connotes people like Clinton, and the Democratic Party both of whom Zinn is very critical of. Here's an example: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1295/is_n11_v62/ai_21244933 and this: http://www.commondreams.org/views/030800-106.htm Here's another example of a critique that would indicate Zinn is not only not liberal but highly critical of liberals: http://www.zpub.com/un/zinn12.html Truth is, Zinn pounds the Democrats as hard as or harder than he pounds Republicans. I am not going to insist he liberal label be taken down. If you are not convinced, then you might feel coerced and we can't have that. skywriter 06:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Not to beat a dead horse, but even if you insist on calling Howard Zinn a liberal you can't also call Elliott Abrams a liberal too. The two are practically diametrically opposed on every single foreign policy issue you could name - in fact, I'd be hard pressed to come up with two people further apart on the American political spectrum. Neither one would self-identify with the liberal label, although a case could be made that Zinn is a liberal as opposed to a conservative if the only three choices were liberal, moderate, and conservative.

Also, about your comment that "Jewish" is a "race" and not just a religion, well... it might be an ethnic group, but the whole question "race" is widely disputed in anthropology today, to put it mildly. My point by deleting that the first time from the Abrams article - though I did not go back and undo your revert, that was someone else - is that people generally don't like having an ethnic or religious tag put in the first line of their introduction unless it's 1) done consistently across races and ethnicities and religions, and 2) of central importance to the reason they are in the encyclopedia. So, for example, Maimonides could be listed as a Jewish scholar, because that was the basis of his life's work. But if we are going to call Abrams a "Jewish-American lawyer" (or, as often is the case with death penalty recipients, they are referred to as "a Hispanic murderer"), then we would have to introduce George Bush as "a Protestant politician" or a "white American President" which I hope you agree would sound absurd. As for saying that "Jewish" is a race like "German-American," I think that someone's ethnic background is, at least as a central defining characteristic, irrelevant, unless, again, it is part of the work that they do. So, for example, it might be ok to call Henry Kissinger a German-American politician, because he was born in Germany, but it would be absurd to refer to Martin Van Buren as a Dutch-American President. But it might be ok to call Cesar Chavez a Mexican-American leader, because his life's work was concerned with Civil Rights of Mexican-American workers. Do you see the difference? I am not trying to beat you over the head with this, I am trying to explain why I strike this kind of label whenever I see it.Bruxism 03:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. It's clear we're going to disagree about some things, but so be it. I do want to be clear about a few things though. I didn't say that anthropologists (whether Ph.D.s or not) dispute the existence of ethnic groups but of the concept of race. That's a very important distinction. And yes, I agree that one's ethnicity is something to be proud of. But my question is, is it a defining characteristic - defining in terms of why someone is included in Misplaced Pages - the way that nationality is? Just because someone's grandparents were born in France or Ireland? Personally, I don't think so. Also, to say that Henry Kissinger is "not really German but ethnically Jewish" is really problematic, to put it mildly. I don't want to finger-point, but let's just say that when nations start excluding citizens and people born there - as they did in Germany - because they come from a different ethnic background, then you can start getting into a whole range of problems, from minor discrimination all the way to genocide. Are you saying the Jews and Mexican-Americans and African-Americans and Vietnamese-Americans who are dying for this country in Iraq are not "really Americans" because they belong to a different racial group? I don't think you want to go there. The black-Japanese is a different story, and I could write more about this if you really want me to. I also didn't appreciate the gratuitous comment about all Asians looking alike. I don't think I'll change your mind, but I hope you think through these issues some more.

Greek American

JJ, I strongly believe we should move the Jewish-Greek Americans in with the "standard" categories. It is self-contradictory to include them under Greek-Americans, and then segregate them in a separate category. Especially when the list includes Rae Davlin who has done more to spread Greek culture in the USA than 99% of the other Greek-Americans out there. sys < in 07:40, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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Anacrhism is Right Wing

Anarchism is the most extreme far right wing idealogy. It is not liberal. 69.218.181.192 20:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

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If you take copyrighted material from a source or sources without permission, it means you are violating or infriging the copyright. I won't let you restore your text to Breckenridge Long, unless someone may determine it. See comments above per Gamaliel. adnghiem501 (talk) 07:14, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Please use a temporary subpage for writing a new article instead: Breckenridge Long/Temp

adnghiem501 (talk) 07:22, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I've deleted Breckenridge Long again. {{Cv}} may refer to:

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{{Template disambiguation}} shouldn't be transcluded in the talk namespaces. Gamaliel 08:35, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Here's a copy of Gamaliel's response:

You aren't creating articles, you are stealing the work of others. I notified you about what you were doing and you simply did it again, taking the contents of a different page. What would the point of a prior notification be? If the material is a copyright violation, there is nothing to save, you don't have permission to use it, period. I admire the fact that you are trying to fill in blanks in the encyclopedia, but please don't do it by violating copyrights. Gamaliel 08:55, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Voting Rights Act edits

Hi, do you have cites for the "Criticism" section you recently added to the VRA entry? Some of that seems really strange and I'd like to see who's actually advocating such stuff. -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall 02:49, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

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Edit to Communist Party USA

I have removed this phrase which you added to the article in a recent edit, "; the majority where Polish and Russian Jews". I don't know where you got this, certainly many were, but early on there were many many ethnic Finns, Russians, and others. Most of these soon dropped put (they had been the ethnic sections of the Socialist Party and were more or less joined by their leaders) but in that sentence you create the impression that a majority were Jews. Jews played a very important role in the Communist Party and perhaps that should be said at some point in the article, but not in that sentence. Do you have a source you are working from? Fred Bauder 18:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

communist party polish and russian Jews...

Yes, I read it in several pages on wikipedia plus one book which unfortunately I returned to the library. I believe that I posted the book in the sources. The majority of the immigration from that time was from Eastern Europe with the highlighted countries of Poland and Russia. Scandinavian immigration was very low and people with such an ethnic backround had minimal membership in the communist party. Many officials in charge of US immigration passed the 1924 immigration act which specifically targeted eastern european Jews because many of them where going straight to the communist party. This was the height of european Jewish immigration. This is tied in with the palmer raids. Also Poland and Russia had the largest Jewish populations in all of Europe. I believe I posted quotes on that page if you would like to check. Get back to me if you can.

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JJstroker 10:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

The problem is the use of majority rather than many "many were Polish and Russian Jews" would not even need a reference. Fred Bauder 12:57, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_February_12#Category:Jewish_liberals - Emma Goldman

Hey there! As I said: "liberal is only synonymous with 'left' or 'vaguely left-leaning' in the US. Its a POV term". Goldman being an anarchist doesn't mean she was a liberal, or a libertine, or liberationist. AnAn 09:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and the term "liberal" does not mean "communist" or "anarchist"m or "vaguely left". It means liberal. AnAn 22:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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I believe this ought to be discussed in the talk page. Without discussion in talk page, any edit would be considered as vandalism. If you still prefer to discuss in private, then let me know. Afterall, you are somewhat outing yourself as a "racialist", not a pleasant thing in liberal society. FWBOarticle

You may have voiced your view in talk page but I haven't. I prefer public debate. I believe any significant edit/revert should be accompanied by debate. Still, it appear that my edit is still up in the article so I guess we can debate in private. The simple fact is that racialist/racist demacation is a minority perspective. So it requre NPOV attribution. Whose view is right or wrong is a silly arse argument in the front page. What matter is whether any edit is Misplaced Pages kosher. And your edit is not in term of NPOV policy. Still, here is a quote from your Prime Minister Edmond Barton. "I do not think that the doctrine of the equality of man was really ever intended to include racial equality. There is no racial equality. There is that basic inequality. These races are, in comparison with white races… Unequal and inferior." (Commonwealth Parliamentary Debates, 26 September 1901, p.5233) FWBOarticle