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QuackGuru
Topic banned for one year. T. Canens (talk) 04:11, 24 July 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning QuackGuru
Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Pseudoscience#Discretionary_sanctions
User:QuackGuru has an extensive blocklog based on disruptive editing, and has a previous WP:RFC/U which was filed but s/he failed to participate in (). Mediation has been attempted (). S/he was cautioned multiple times (),() about tendentious editing at articles covered under Pseudoscience sanctions, and subsequently blocked for 2-weeks for violating the sanctions (). S/he was further topic-banned for 6 months from Chiropractic-related articles due "Due to persistent edit warring and general disruption of the editing and consensus process,"(). This behaviour continues, and continues to be in an area that appears to be covered under the ArbCom sanctions.
, & . DigitalC (talk) 16:40, 12 July 2011 (UTC) The following is copied from Hans Adler's comments at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Arbitration Enforcement sanction handling/Evidence. Some AN/ANI sections concerning problematic behaviour:
The summary above shows evidence of multiple blocks, and continuing disruptive editing across the area of pseudoscience articles. The main issue is a failure to abide by consensus, and reversion instead of discussion. The last topic-ban, at 6 months, was apparently not enough to prevent this type of behaviour from recurring. A longer topic-ban, or alternate remedy should be considered.
Discussion concerning QuackGuruStatement by QuackGuruComments by others about the request concerning QuackGuruThe evidence on the sandbox page does not appear to rise to any sufficient level for the penalty sought, IMO. Collect (talk) 08:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC) Comment by JojalozzoQuackGuru has been advocating doggedly since last fall for the use of a research paper (Matute et al.) as a source in Pseudoscience. The consensus there and in Misplaced Pages:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard (where QG recently sought support for his position) is that the paper is not suited for QG's proposed use. As I understand it, one of the reasons for this enforcement request is QG's recent edits in Pseudoscience that included the disputed use of the paper in violation of consensus and two reversions of other editors' attempts (including mine) to enforce consensus. I find QG's discussion style tenditious, accusatory, repetitive, and notable for not-hearing. QG's talk page posts often consist of cryptic prose interspersed with links to policy and old diffs and unexplained quotations from Misplaced Pages articles and journal papers. I have rarely received a response to requests for clarifying explanations. I have not seen QG back down gracefully from a dispute even when doors are held open and I have seen little sign of skill in handling interpersonal friction. The result is a pointless standoff that drives many participants away and sucks all joy from the work. The cost to the project in energy and time expended on this single proposed use of one research paper is disproportionately large. As I understand it, this experience is being repeated in other articles and has been going on for years (see here). There is no indication that QG is able to correct this behavior beyond regular periods of lying low and unfortunately this ducking down has been rewarded with shortened bans and leniency despite the lack of real behavioral change. Even with the proposed remedy, the most it appears we can hope for is nine months of respite before we are all back at it again on the same issue or something similar. There are those who see another side to QG and advocate for mercy but in my experience the costs significantly outweigh any benefits. Jojalozzo 05:14, 11 July 2011 (UTC) While QG has not participated here, s/he left a good example message on my talk page (not the first by any means) since I posted the comment above. It is representative of the discussion style I have described though understandably more accusatory. Jojalozzo 20:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC) Ten days into this request for enforcement and still QuackGuru resists consensus at Talk:Pseudoscience and continues to insist those in opposition to her/his proposal repeat their reasons. Not only is this more evidence of not hearing about that dispute but also not hearing about this request. Jojalozzo 02:21, 21 July 2011 (UTC) Comment by BecriticalMy views on this subject are here. I've had only one slight interaction with this user since, but it's obvious my opinion does not need modification. And I do not see any reason for a topic ban: an indef block is called for. BE——Critical__Talk 02:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC) I think this exchange is a good microcosm of why we're here:
That's from here. QG saying I'm "involved" in the content dispute and "refused to collaborate" after one comment months ago is one of those things that reminds me of the quote from Mein Kampf, where he says that the people are suspicious of little lies, but since they don't tell big lies themselves, they aren't suspicious of big lies. Sorry to pull the Nazi card :P Ah here it is I do notice this principle at work on Misplaced Pages sometimes. In this case QG is basically pulling so much chutzpa that he's unlikely to be challenged, or so that refutations seem weak by comparison. BE——Critical__Talk 13:37, 18 July 2011 (UTC) Disclosure: I just made an edit to the Chiropractic talk page having to do with consensus and QG. BE——Critical__Talk 18:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC) Comment by DigitalCI have been asked to further substantiate this request, which I find suprising given the overwhelming evidence of disruption, especially looking at the second to last ANI thread. I was told that it is needed to show that "there is something unusual about the current situation that marks it as more than a routine content dispute", which I think should be clear from the fact that his disruptive editing has persisted for years, across many areas, but largely focused on topics related to pseudoscience. He has been involved in multiple ArbComs, and this current case shows that it is not simply a content dispute because the behaviour is spread over three articles, with three separate disputes.
Editing against consensus is not a content issue, it is a conduct issue. Misplaced Pages by necessesity relies on a collaborative editing process, which cannot work when editors ignore the input of others (WP:IDHT?). This behaviour is not limited to one article, and the behaviour has continued for years despite previous sanctions. DigitalC (talk) 02:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Comment by OcaasiQG is a difficult editor to work with. He slings policy violation accusations around and he always interprets policy extremely narrowly to support his views. When he finds consensus against him he posts long a accusatory talk page comments. When they are ignored he waits for a few weeks before starting again. QG has an extremely literal interpretation of policy and a declamatory way of speaking to other editors. In practice it means he will take any quote from any peer-reviewed source and restate it in an article as plain fact. He does not think editors can consider the quality of the source, the context of the source, the quality of the quote (whether it is a passing statement or a researched conclusion), the claim being made, alternative sources, or anything involving editors' discretion. He then tells other editors who disagree with them that they are violating policy; he states this as a simple fact without attempt at communication, consensus, or compromise. What particularly bothers me is his response to other editors' good faith attempts at collaboration. I recently tried to write some pseudoscience/public-health text with User:Orangemarlin and QG continued slinging accusations and criticism on OM's talk page where he was neither involved nor invited. Talk page thread (midway down and in collapsed box). This behavior has a chilling effect at articles. Simply, people don't want to deal with QG's objections and accusations when they have constructive suggestions to make, and they don't want to hear his policy declarations when he has suggestions to make. They get tired of hearing the same arguments over and over and not having their own opinions considered. QG has tired out some of the most mainstream and respected editors I've come across on the entire project with his narrow views, endless point-making, and generally uncooperative approach. Given that, I'd like to try something different to redirect his editing efforts. Perhaps a topic ban, perhaps a mentor, perhaps an agreement not to accuse editors of violating policy. I'm not sure what the community feels is best but I think some explicit guidance for QG would be helpful. Comment by JfdwolffMy only disagreement with QuackGuru has been over the phrasing of 1-2 sentences on vertebral artery dissection, an article which I brought to GA status earlier this year. I am not given to support pseudoscience-based treatments such as chiropractic, but QuackGuru's approach has found me siding with his opponents. I refer to DigitalC's statement, which shows that QuackGuru started fisking the content of vertebral artery dissection on Talk:Chiropractic. A revert war ensued, followed by the article being protected in the "wrong version". QuackGuru has not persuaded anyone that his version is any better. His almost robotic insistence on using a particular source that has demonstrable weaknesses has been mind-numbingly frustrating, and I personally can still not get used to his habit of mockingly echoing someone's response. JFW | T@lk 20:31, 14 July 2011 (UTC) Comment by QuackGuru
Comment by Hans AdlerThere is nothing much to add to QuackGuru's bizarre claim that he has "CON" on his side in all those discussions. But it's worth repeating what Becritical said above: This is not just about pseudoscience. QG behaves like this in all areas in which he is active; it's just that he is more active in pseudoscience-related areas, overall, than in others. I had a similar dispute with him 1 1/2 years ago at Talk:Citizendium#editorializing?. Then 1/2 year ago at Talk:Citizendium#Won't someone please think of the article?, you can see how QG made it clear to David Gerard and SlimVirgin that they can't rewrite the article because he owns it. A topic ban would probably channel QG's activity to non-pseudoscience topics, which is a good thing only insofar as this would lead more quickly to a full, indefinite site ban. Hans Adler 06:52, 15 July 2011 (UTC) Comment by WhatamIdoingI have waffled about posting anything. I don't have anything positive to say about this person, and Misplaced Pages is not generally made a more collegial place by publicly telling people how badly they're failing. I generally avoid QuackGuru as a hopeless waste of time unless the article turns up on a noticeboard, in which case I try to do my bit to resolve the dispute. I no longer believe that QG has the WP:COMPETENCE to be a successful editor. No amount of mentoring on Misplaced Pages is going to change that. A typical discussion with QG looks something like this:
While I'm aware that the community consensus could vest with a single individual—one good editor plus the community "outvotes" any two spammers you care to name—but it is astonishing how often QG believes that uniform opposition from multiple experienced editors, or very lopsided majorities directly opposing his plans, is somehow proof that everyone agrees with him ("consensus"). Query: If the consensus really was with QG, then why is his version almost always successfully edit-warred out of existence? Isn't "lots of people keep removing my stuff" pretty much the definition of "no consensus to include my stuff"? I'd love to have another competent anti-garbage editor. QG, unfortunately, isn't going to be that person. I think we would actually be better off without him. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:12, 16 July 2011 (UTC) Result concerning QuackGuru
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Reenem
Topic banned for 3 months. T. Canens (talk) 18:39, 21 July 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Reenem
Reenem continues to ignore WP's policy on marking edits as minor when they are in fact not minor. All the edits are typically involve changing the status of East Jerusalem from being occupied to either being "captured" or part of municipal Jerusalem. Of course, these are in no way minor edits. In fact, in a topic are so contentious as the I/P area is, it is nothing more than disruptive and sneaky editing practices.
I then continued on the same thread to further clarify with Reneem why the edits were being marked as minor -- Reneem never responded.
This user seems to have a disruptive practice of editing in the I/P area in general (as is evidenced by the numerous complaints by other users on Reneem's talk page about various subjects relating to the conflict).
Wow!! -- Yet again, Reenem makes an edit that would be viewed very controversial by many and marks it as minor. I really hope some action will be taken, I think there is no better time for a block than this. Reenem seems insistent on spitting in the face of those who wish to work by the policies of WP. (BTW, this wasn't the first time Reneem made such edits and marked them as minor with regards to the Golan Heights, see here and here). -asad (talk) 11:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Discussion concerning ReneemStatement by ReenemComments by others about the request concerning ReneemComment by ElComandanteCheReenem is a massive content contributor: 92% of his 20000+ edits are in article space. He had and still have problems with edit summaries, but these have nothing to do with the alleged disruptive editing in the P/I area. --ElComandanteChe (talk) 17:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Query by JaakobouWhy would the mountain of olives be in "East" Jerusalem?? Unlike the removal, whomever pushed this political bit into the lead made quite a provocative editorial choice. Jaakobou 16:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Comment by No More Mr Nice Guy@Ed - FWIW, in the diff you gave the law does specifically apply to Palestinian residents and not all residents. I agree that Reenem better come over here and defend himself before he finds himself smacked with a restriction completely disproportionate to what he's been doing and his history of previous sanctions. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 09:17, 15 July 2011 (UTC) Comment by ChesdoviAm I allowed to comment here under Topic ban? Chesdovi (talk) 12:37, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Comment by Peter CohenIt's about a year and a half since Reenem was last blocked and that was shortened after discussion. Rather than jumping straight to a long block or topic ban, mightn't a short block attract his/her attention, at which point you might be able to engage him/her in a discussion about the original issues raised?--Peter cohen (talk) 13:42, 15 July 2011 (UTC) Comment by jd2718I'm concerned that Reneem's editing, with few summaries and non-minor edits marked as minor, extends beyond the bounds of this arbitration decision. And he's prolific. And he tends to edit in more controversial areas. His contributions show this, and his talk page is littered with it. Get his attention (block). He needs to commit to (accurately) summarizing his edits for other editors to see. Jd2718 (talk) 01:43, 16 July 2011 (UTC) Comment by OhiostandardReenem's editing style came to my attention for the first time last month after he undertook a strongly POV 3 and 1/2 hour rewrite of one of our most contentious articles, Gaza flotilla raid. I objected and, along with other editors, tried to address his changes on the talk page; that extensive effort is very fully documented in these three sections. That AGF effort was entirely wasted with respect to Reenem: He ignored every editor who contributed to the talk page, despite the strong consensus there that he needed to discuss such sweeping changes. He didn't make even a single response to any concern raised about his desired changes, but in subsequent editing sessions simply reinstated them. Reenem does not use talk pages to work with other editors. It's my impression that he thinks it's more effective re his goals here to simply try to unilaterally rewrite the articles to suit his POV, rather than to engage in any consensual or collaborative effort. – OhioStandard (talk) 10:35, 16 July 2011 (UTC) Comment by MirokadoA lot of my time was also wasted with the incident mentioned above by Ohiostandard. Reenem is still failing to provide edit summaries for that article. (For full disclosure, I have just reverted those changes, see the edit summary). I suggest that the admin taking action address both the concerns raised in the comments here – inappropriate marking of edits as minor and lack of edit summaries – as they both make it systematically difficult for other editors to review the changes made. We need admin action to "encourage" Reenem to edit responsibly because the only practical way a normal user can deal with a succession of such edits is to revert them wholesale straight away. We would then of course hit 1RR on many of these controversial articles and might appear to be hounding Reenem or being petty. I have already provided an objective criterion which I will use when deciding to revert unexplained edits. --Mirokado (talk) 12:10, 18 July 2011 (UTC) Result concerning Reenem
Unless I missed something, diff #4 was not marked as a minor edit. T. Canens (talk) 14:09, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
This request has been open for a whole week now, and Reenem has had ample opportunity to respond, yet failed to do so. Per the consensus of uninvolved administrators above, and under the authority of WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions, Reenem (talk · contribs) is hereby banned from all articles and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all non-Talk namespaces for three months. Reenem is allowed to participate in discussions related to the topic area. Should Reenem be able to demonstrate their ability to engage with other editors, this ban may be lifted early; conversely, continued refusal to discuss with editors with good-faith concerns may result in extension of the ban, up to and including for an indefinite period. T. Canens (talk) 18:33, 21 July 2011 (UTC) |
Communicat
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Request concerning Communicat
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- HiltonLange (talk) 09:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Communicat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World_War_II#Communicat_restricted
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
User Communikat (talk · contribs), who claims on his talk page to the same user as Communicat (talk · contribs), has started editing the South Africa article. Most of his edits have been reverted or challenged by editors at that page, and he has almost immediately resorted to personal attacks and assumptions of bad faith.
- 5 July 2011 Accuses Nick-D (talk · contribs) of stalking and hounding him.
- 16 July 2011 Accuses Edward321 (talk · contribs) of vandalism after a single revert which Edward321 clearly justified with a lengthy edit description.
- 16 July 2011 Accuses Edward321 (talk · contribs) of a pattern of disruption and harassment, referring to previous interactions they have had on other articles. (Final paragraph)
- 16 July 2011 Claims that Edward321 (talk · contribs) has a history of hounding him.
- 16 July 2011 Concludes that Edward321 (talk · contribs) intentions are not to improve the article. (Final paragraph)
- 18 July 2011 Accuses me (HiltonLange (talk · contribs))of being too busy with "edit warring, disruptive point scoring, exagerated claims, importing external disputes, reviving WP:DEADHORSE, expressing WP:IDHT, painting rosy POV pictures, ignoring the warts; and all the rest.". (Final paragraph of the edit)
I have tried to read the arbitration history, but am not previously familiar with Communicat, but two other aspects concern me. He claims that he is free to use Communikat under WP:SOCK#LEGIT, but that policy specifically excludes accounts under sanctions to evade scrutiny. User Communicat is still under restriction from previous rulings. Additionally, he has revealed on his talk page that he is Stan Winer , author and publisher of http://www.truth-hertz.net. Since most of his previous conflicts seem to be around trying to get editors to accept that website as a reliable reference, and he has repeatedly used it to reference his edits, isn't that an intentional attempt to sidestep WP:OR, or even a kind of sock puppetry?
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- User was blocked 6 weeks ago for violating the same sanctions. ]
- User was blocked 1 month ago for violating the same sanctions. ]
- Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
Since multiple sanctions against the user have not changed his behavior, and he has repeatedly over the course of many months and multiple dispute resolutions continued to violate his restriction from attacking other editors, he should be blocked.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Communicat's page
Communikat's page
Discussion concerning Communicat
Statement by Communicat
I intend contesting this matter within one week, when time permits. Watch this space. Communikat (talk) 14:29, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Summary
This request should be dismissed as premature. The requesting party has not attempted properly to resolve his complaints through discussion as per WP:DR. Editors on both sides of politically charged subjects can rationally discuss their positions, find common ground, and unemotionally document their differences. Nine hours after filing his enforcement request, the filing party manifested a willingness to resolve through appropriate discussion a certain issue of contention. I declined pending withdrawal, if any, or formal conclusion of his AE request. I believe the filing by him of his AE request was impulsive; and he is using a sledgehammer to swat a fly.
The requesting party further and inappropriately resurrects immaterial issues that have already been comprehensively dealt with and attended to previously in extensive Arbcom discussion. The conduct of the requesting party is itself inappropriate and open to scrutiny.
Others named below have deliberately induced a climate of hostility by introducing tendentious references, as hereand here, to earlier Arbcom proceedings and enforcements affecting me. No matter how ostensibly “polite” the language used, it is unacceptable per WP:CIVIL “… to attack a user who ... has been subject to disciplinary action by the Arbitration Committee.”
I believe the foregoing to be a direct result of my past, present, longstanding, well-documented and continuing efforts to introduce NPOV encyclopedic content while countering systemic bias, viz., bias through omission.
- Background
The South Africa article at issue is part of a project rated “B-class, Top-importance”. The article displays an “improvement” tag dating back to 2008. Prior to commencement of my editing there, the article had been dormant and otherwise inert for at least a month, both in article space and at discussion page. The requesting party, by his own admission, had not been noticeably active at the article prior to my involvement there; and he had not been active at all in the three months period preceding my current involvement at the article. Since involving myself at this article, I have collaborated amicably and productively with one other editor, htonl (talk), Two other parties implicated by the requesting party in this matter had never worked on or shown any interest in the article prior to commencement of my editing there. For my part, I am a South African national, I live in South Africa, and I have in-depth professional knowledge, familiarity with, and understanding of the topic. The bulk of my cumulative, past 360 edits in article space, have been at the related History of South Africa article, and about 40 edits have been done at South Africa. It is true that certain South Africa article content is controversial by virtue of the article’s nature; hence the inevitability of at least some controversy arising during the course of discussion and editing. It is also true that I am not responsible for the inherently controversial nature of the topic or its subject matter, nor should I be held personally responsible for same.
Following the commencement of my efforts to improve the article, there was a sudden and predictable rush of WP:HOUNDING, producing a frenzy of reversions and/or deletions of my content edits, including in-line deletions that were not edit-summarised as reversions. The content reversions and deletions were IMHO gross violations of editing rules including especially WP:PRESERVE. This to the extent that the revision history itself eventually became so confusing it was almost impossible to follow, as corroborated by astute editor notoni with whom I was collaborating productively. Reversions and interference by Edward321 included the substitution by him of inaccurate and misleading text; to replace accurate text and refs contributed by me. (diff and revision history missing without trace). The disruptions further include reversion of accurate text and reliable refs on the grounds that the source is a “corrupted” file that allegedly could not be read. Nobody else actively editing at the time experienced the same purported “problem”, nor was the inappropriate reversion reinstated by Edward321. Earlier, Edward321 had reverted separate edits by me at History of South Africa, citing falsely my topic ban on World War II and its aftermath as “justification” for the reverts, which very clearly had absolutely nothing at all to do with topic from which I am banned. The reverts were IMO done in bad faith and they amount to acts of vandalism. I believe this to be part of a wider pattern of harassment and disruption. It is interesting to note from revision records that when I temporarily halt my editing, everyone else involved seems to cease activity as well. I assume they have nothing better to do with their time other than make editing unnecessarily difficult and unpleasant for me.
- Rebuttals
Re: (Communikat)… accuse(d) me (HiltonLange) of being too busy with "edit warring, disruptive point scoring, exagerated claims, importing external disputes, reviving WP:DEADHORSE, expressing WP:IDHT, painting rosy POV pictures, ignoring the warts; and all the rest.".
In fact, the requesting party has misread / misunderstood my “accusation”, which was in reality directed not at the requesting party (HiltonLange) but directed at user Edward321. Edward321 has not been named as a party, nor is there any evidence that Edward321 has formally been notified by the requester. Edward321 has himself not complained, neither here nor at the article discussion page or anywhere else related. The requesting party’s charge should therefore be disregarded. Note should also be taken of the requesting party’s evident propensity for misperception and misrepresentation. I would have provided detailed evidence to prove a persistent pattern of harassment, disruption and apparent vandalism on the part of Edward321, had he become formally involved here and complain accordingly. This applies equally to the five further instances of “personal attacks” and “bad faith assumptions” claimed by the requesting party. Since diffs do not provide comprehensive context, arbitrators may care to acquaint themselves with the full context of the forgoing, by reading and understanding this thread and this, and perhaps especially this.
Contrary to HiltonLange’s charge that I have "attacked" him, I am in fact the only editor who has supported him in his article improvement suggestions.
In fact also, I did apologise to him even though his perception of a personal attack on him was evidently misconstrued. My verbatim apology reads: "I'm interested only in improvement of this article, with specific reference to content, not to person. Please assume good faith and accept my sincere apologies if my comments have been perceived as otherwise." . He has evidently failed to accept my apology even though, strictly speaking, the apology to him was actually unwarranted. Moreover, his claim of a personal attack, regardless of whom it was directed, hardly falsl within the meaning of WP:NPA#WHATIS, and this too was brought to his notice in the same diff.
Alleged sockpuppetry: RE: (Communicat) … claims that he is free to use Communikat under WP:SOCK#LEGIT, but that policy specifically excludes accounts under sanctions to evade scrutiny. User Communicat is still under restriction from previous rulings. Additionally, he has revealed on his talk page that he is Stan Winer , author and publisher of http://www.truth-hertz.net. Since most of his previous conflicts seem to be around trying to get editors to accept that website as a reliable reference, and he has repeatedly used it to reference his edits, isn't that an intentional attempt to sidestep WP:OR, or even a kind of sock puppetry? The suspicion of alleged “sockpuppetry” was comprehensively interrogated, dealt with, settled and dismissed after lengthy discussion during my recent request for clarification. He is apparently attempting to undermine me by reviving a WP:DEADHORSE, with which he has apparently not even bothered to familiarize himself. Thus, while alleging “bad faith” on my part, Lange himself exhibits bad faith in extremis. He makes serious charges against me while at the same time acknowledging that he is not familiar with the background to those charges. That is hardly a convincing demonstration of his own good faith and/or integrity.
HiltonLange claims I have “repeatedly used” my website http://www.truth-hertz.net “to reference (my) edits”. Lange provides no evidence to support his false claim, nor does any such evidence exist. The small matter of truth-hertz.net relative to World War II and the Cold War was IMO resolved a long time ago, in fact nearly a year ago, after I had made some embarrassing mistakes while still learning the WP editing rules, which took some getting used to. I am not responsible for the subsequent lynchmob behaviour of those who persist in resurrecting the issue. They include Edward321, whose actions earlier drew this remark from one other editor, addressing Edward321: “Your continued attacks against Communicat are starting to look more like a personal vendetta. I suggest you stop. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 20:00, 10 September 2010 (UTC)”
HiltonLange’s claim is unfounded, it is immaterial, it is a personal attack, and it is a further instance of WP:DEADHORSE in an apparent attempt to undermine and discredit me, for whatever reason. I challenge HiltonLange to provide any evidence whatsoever to support the innuendo that my new username may be “an intentional attempt to sidestep WP:OR or a form of sock puppet” to “evade scrutiny” (as if that is at all possible). I took a new username because my former unsername was self-cancelled six months earlier, and I did not know how to reinstate it. It’s as simple as that. While alleging “bad faith” on my part, HiltonLange himself exhibits bad faith in extremis. The following sequence of events is also noteworthy:
- Sequence of events
14:28, 17 July 2011 (UTC): Communikat (talk) suggests at discussion page that all the “pretty pictures” at South Africa article page give the page an appearance of a “tourism brochure” conveying a lopsided POV of the country.
04:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC), HiltonLange objects strongly to my suggestion that the visual POV is biased. He also claims falsely that poverty among the indigenous population is ”not at all” a major problem. Citing questionablestatistics, he states South Africa ranks only “between 10th and 20th ranked” on the world scale, (out of 192 countries recognized by the United Nations), which in HiltonLange's disputed view means poverty in South Africa is “not at all” significant.
20.03 UTC, 18 July 2011, ): Communikat (talk) complains “someone here:” fact Edward321 had deleted important poverty statistics … the issue of poverty / inequality is something that someone here seems determined to underplay at best or, at worst, avoid almost entirely … I'm open to correction and/or reasoned debate.”
20:45 UTC, 18 July 2011 Communikat posts: “The apparent bias through omission, implied above, is wholly consistent with the fact that the History section of the article mentions the word "slaves" just once, merely in passing, and without any reference whatsoever; while the word "slavery" is similarly mentioned just once, (also just in passing and without citation). Whereas, in historical fact, slavery played a very substantial part in the country's history. I need convincing this article is not biased, perhaps even racist, in its omissions."
Just 12 hours later, at 09:12 UTC, 19 July 2011, HiltonLange files Arbcom enforcement request on grounds of “personal attacks” etc.,
IMHO his filing of the request was impulsive and a knee-jerk reaction to my criticism of the article's apparent racist POV bias and touristy appearance. Moreover, HiltonLange's expressed views on the subject of poverty in South Africa mirror closely / are virtually indistinguishable from a highly discredited minority POV and attitude of poverty denialism still prevalent in South Africa.
It is reasonable to suspect in terms of WP:COMMONSENSE, and given the above sequence of events, that HL’s filing of his enforcement request here (as proxy for an editor who has in fact not complained) is not genuinely motivated by the manifest reasons he has stated, but is motivated instead by latent and unstated reasons, for which the manifest reasons are intended by him to serve as a surrogate. I am open to legitimate correction in this as in everything else expressed here.
Response to Nick-d statement: This administrator, in supporting the filing party, has replicated in his statement here the content of a misplaced “motion” filed by him in recent opposition to my request for clarification. Arbcom disregarded his motion then, and should disregard as immaterial the replication of his “motion” here. It is noteworthy that when I have cited WP rules, it is construed by Nick-d as a “personal attack”. Nick-d seems unaware of the accurate meaning of WP:NPA#WHATIS,. Moreover, when I make just one reversion under the 3R rule, it is construed by him as “edit warring”. His own conduct, meanwhile, is of course beyond reproach. All the relevant diffs and links are contained in the archived record of my request for clarification.
- Response to T Canen question
Canen, citing WP:INVOLVED whatever, recused himself from my earlier request for clarification. Now he has decided paradoxically to present himself in this present matter. Previously, since my return to editing after a six-months break, Canen has blocked me twice for one-week periods at the request of Nick-d, citing infringement of editing restrictions. On the first ocassion, the block arose in part because I was unclear about the scope of my topic ban, nor did anyone care to enlighten me. On the second ocassion, in order to establish clarity on the scope of my topic ban, I attempted to engage Canen and filing party Nick-d in relevant discussion. They failed to respond. In my subsequent request to Arbcom for clarification, four parties concurred that the wording of the topic ban were unclear and warranted clarification. A lesser number of arbitrators disagreed. I also requested that the decisions and conduct of T Canen be reviewed. My request was disregarded. All the relevant links and diffs should be contained in the archived record of my request for clarification
- Incomplete record
Regretably, the record of my earlier request for clarification as referred to in some of the foregoing is incomplete; some postings have been deleted and there is no revision history of same. As already mentioned in the “Background” sub-section above, a separate diff and its edit history also seems to be missing without trace. Presumably, only administrators have the tools to remove material without the revision history remaining on record.
- Closing statement
In related discussion during my request for clarification, I asked for an interaction ban relative to Nick-d, Edward321 and myself. My request was disregarded. If Arbcom wants to grant that request now, then so be it. If Arbcom wants to dismiss as premature the current request for enforcement, then so be it. If Arbcom, in addition to topic banning me from World War II and its aftermath, wants to impose also a ban on my improvement of the South Africa topic, then so be it. If Arbcom wants to site-ban me, then so be it; it will save me the time, effort, bandwith and general unpleasantness of having to deal persistently with what has the all the characteristics of a lychmob mentality. In any event, based on past performance, it is predictable that discussion of this current matter will drag on interminably with the same, tired old arguments being resurrected tediously and refuted likewise. I have had more than enough of that. It is unlikely that I shall be responding further. I can think of more deserving causes for the voluntary donation of my time and bandwidth. Communikat (talk) 17:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Communicat
It's worth noting that this is not only a continuation of the previous article-space related conduct for which Communicat has since twice been blocked since returning to editing a few weeks ago, but also that he made similar attacks on other editors as part of the recent request for clarification (see the diffs I included at Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II#Proposed motion to extend editing restrictions on Communicat/Communikat). This is a very consistent pattern of behavior. Nick-D (talk) 10:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
It appears Comminukat is continuing his copy-pasting problem. His third sentence - "Editors on both sides of politically charged subjects can rationally discuss their positions, find common ground, and unemotionally document their differences" is lifted directly from another source without attribution. Edward321 (talk) 01:03, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Communicat
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
Can anyone tell me why an indef is not a good idea? T. Canens (talk) 14:20, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I can't. Though my reading of the enforcement motion only allows for a week long block. The rest would be on your own authority, but as far as I can tell a good call. Eluchil404 (talk) 03:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- And done. One week AE block + indef. This has gone on long enough. T. Canens (talk) 17:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
- Your action is appropriate, given that Communikat seems unable to reach consensus with others. Unless we want to *give* him all these WWII articles so he can slant them according to his personal POV, there seems no way forward. EdJohnston (talk) 18:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
NickCT
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Request concerning NickCT
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- —Biosketch (talk) 07:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- NickCT (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- WP:ARBPIA#Decorum/WP:ARBPIA#Editors_reminded
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 12 July – editor accuses me of being "a committed Israel-Palestine POV warrior," with no accompanying evidence
- 13 July – editor repeats the accusation, again with no accompanying evidence.
- 15 July – editor accuses me of concealing previous accounts, with no accompanying evidence.
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- Blocked on 21 December 2009 by Ged UK (talk · contribs) for harassment
- Notified on 2 March 2010 by PhilKnight (talk · contribs) of ARBPIA ruling
- Blocked on 27 May 2010 by PhilKnight (talk · contribs) for personal attacks
- Enforcement action requested
Topic ban for a duration of one week to one month, per escalation from previous.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
For the past month or so I've been having to put up with increasingly hostile and personally oriented rhetoric directed against me by editors in the I/P topic area. When at this very Noticeboard Tarc (talk · contribs) thrice accused me of sockpuppetry without citing a single diff as required per WP:NPA#WHATIS, I let it slide. After Nableezy (talk · contribs) attributed to me a batshit insane obsession with his edits for two edits I made, he redacted and I accepted. More recently, Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) called me an ass on his Talk page for trying to engage him in a calm one-on-one discussion; but he too struck the remark per my request and the matter has more-or-less been settled. NickCT (talk · contribs), on the other hand, not only called me "a committed Israel-Palestine POV warrior" without any evidence, but into the bargain has been repeatedly suggesting that I'm a sockpuppet or hiding previous user accounts, also without any evidence. I insisted that he withdraw his original comment or substantiate it in three different places to avoid creating a scene – but to no avail.
If people have a problem with my edits in I/P or have gotten into their heads that I'm a sockpuppet, it doesn't excuse attacks against me that violate WP:NPA and WP:ARBPIA#Decorum/WP:ARBPIA#Editors_reminded. I understand Decorum isn't as strictly enforced as other ARBIA principles are, but specifically in the case of User:NickCT, he has been sanctioned here before for his hostile interactions with editors he disagrees with in I/P, so either he genuinely doesn't understand what these policies entail, or else he's incapable of abiding by them. Either way, considering the perpetually tense atmosphere at I/P and NickCT's problematic conduct in the topic area in the past, I am requesting enforcement in this case. Every other means of reaching an understanding with this user has been exhausted in vain.
Appendix: In anticipation of the some of the comments likely to follow, I offer these preformulated responses. It isn't essential that the Admins considering my request read them.
- "This is a frivolous request, only one attack." First of all, it wasn't one attack. The first time he attacked me, I templated his remark with Template:RPA, but he removed the Template and reiterated his attack. Later, when I tried in the gentlest way possible to communicate to him the problem with his remark, his response was to attribute bad-faith motives both to my initial comment on User:Malik Shabazz's Talk page and to my comment on his own Talk page. And then, when I took the matter to WP:WQA for community input, he began with his string of allegations that I'm a sockpuppet. These aren't frivolous attacks. They are textbook personal attacks against me relating to an active-arbitration topic area, without evidence to back them up and serving only to discredit me and disrupt my interactions with other contributors. Secondly, the pattern of recurring personal attacks doesn't need to be established by my diffs alone. It is already established by his block log.
- "AEs should not be filed against editors one is in conflict with." The response to that is simple. NickCT and I weren't in conflict anywhere in the Project; indeed, as far as I know, this was only the second time he and I ever crossed paths.
- "If all these people are attacking you, maybe you're the problem and not them." I'm open to criticism relating to how I edit, as anyone who contributes regularly to I/P should be. I'm also aware of WP:BOOMERANG. If someone's convinced there's a case to be made that my edits are a problem in I/P, let them make it like through the appropriate channels. Otherwise, shifting the blame onto me and making ad hominem remarks in my regard is counterproductive and needs to be identified for what it is – a sordid red herring. This is an AE about NickCT. Any comments not directly relating to that user and his remarks toward me don't belong here.
- "This isn't within the purview of AE." The language and context of the attack make it related to the Arab-Israel conflict, broadly construed. If this were an I/P-banned editor, he would not be allowed to attack another contributor as "a committed Israel-Palestine POV warrior." Furthermore, NickCT was sanctioned at AE before for similar infractions.—Biosketch (talk) 07:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Notified at user's Talk page: "You have demonstrated to me that you either do not understand WP:NPA or do not see yourself as needing to comply with it. I have requested enforcement of ARBPIA rulings against you here."
Discussion concerning NickCT
Statement by NickCT
Not sure how seriously I should take this, so I'll just make several quick points -
- 1) People should probably review this conversation as example of the kind of complaints Biosketch seems to have a penchant for.
- 2) re "repeatedly suggesting that I'm a sockpuppet" - I never suggested Biosketch was a sock. I suggested he had an account previous to his current account, which he almost certainly has had and additionally, has made no attempt to deny. I explained the difference between those to things here. I'm not sure why he repeatedly mischaracterizes my comments.
- 3) Bio initially filed a Wikiquette complaint for the material above, which didn't seem to gather any momentum. He seems to be going to multiple places now trying to get someone to agree and act on his complaints. As such, I think AE request could justifiably be called forum shopping.
- 4) Biosketch really represents the worst of the Israel-Palestine wikilawyers. This kind of "throw some accusations around and see what sticks" tactics has got to stop. It's a waste of time, and distracts from WP's core mission. I think a clear message could be sent here with some punitive anti-wikilawyering measures.
Thanks, NickCT (talk) 12:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning NickCT
Result concerning NickCT
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
Matthead
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Request concerning Matthead
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- MyMoloboaccount (talk) 14:08, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Matthead (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Arbitration enforcement topic ban (WP:DIGWUREN) regarding editing Polish related information
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 13 July 2011 First recent edit in Polish related topic
- 20 July 2011 Deletion of information about anti-Nazi resistance of Polish minority in Germany
- Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
Warning and short block.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Matthead has been banned from editing Polish related topics due to : habitually engaging in battleground-like conduct related to nationalist issues involving Poland and Germany" from "from the topic of Poland and Poles, broadly construed. For the avoidance of doubt, the topic includes subjects which are or were only partially Polish, or whose Polishness is disputed (by you or others), and the ban includes all articles, other pages, parts of pages and discussions related to the topic"
Recently it seems Matthead started to try to edit Polish related information on Wiki. While the first edit was small(although violating the ban), the second indicated return to his old ways, by including the removal of information regarding presence of Polish minority in Germany and its anti-Nazi resistance movement during Second World War and concealing that removal in edit summary--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 14:08, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 14:11, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Matthead
Statement by Matthead
Comments by others about the request concerning Matthead
Result concerning Matthead
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
- Not entirely buying the first diff as a violation (I know zero German though), but the second diff is a pretty clear violation of the topic ban. Blocked for a week. NW (Talk) 20:46, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
- In my opinion, the first diff is also a ban violation. Józef Tusk was Polish and apparently a member of the anti-Nazi Polish resistance during WWII. Matthead's ban should not allow him to edit articles about Poles. In any case the one-week block is a reasonable response. EdJohnston (talk) 03:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC)