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The Russian version disagrees with the English version here. The Russian article says that Hitler did not call Marinesku, claims only 5300 people died, and that Marinesku was praised for the attack. The Russian article also does not talk about the controversial nature of the sinking, nor the non-military people on board. -- IlyaHaykinson 23:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Some things are fixed. Even rus artcl says military was only about 1,300. mikka (t) 21:50, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Old talk

I've removed: Alexander Marinescu (romanian transcription, as he was romanian ethnically) - added by anonymous user. Russian sources say he was Ukrainian, so we need a confirmation if he was Romanian ethnically. Besides, he was not called Marinescu, but Marinesko, even if it is true. Pibwl ←« 19:59, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I am currently reading Crabwalk by Gunter Grass, which states that his father was Romanian (by which, I guess, is meant "from Romania", and not Moldovan, Bessarabian, etc.). The "-sco" ending is a frequent trasliteration of the "-scu" one, and it was common habit at the time for a Romanian to transliterate his or her name when using it among foreigners (see Eugene Ionesco, Helene Vacaresco etc) - his father may have opted to do so himself, or authorities might have changed it for him (Grass -or rather, Grass' first person narrator- claims the latter happened, but that is just an opinon). The issue of Ukrainian in Russian sources refers to any or all of these: his Ukrainin mother, the fact that he was born in Odessa, the hostility between Romanians and Soviets, the issue of Moldovans/Romanians. I suggest inclusion in Category:People of Romanian descent pending the creation of more definite ones (if the latter is indeed possible, given the Moldovan issue in between Romanians and cats for "Romanian Russians", "Romanian Ukrainians", "Romanian Soviet citizens"...). Dahn 18:58, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

4,500 victims of Steuben

Dampfschiff General von Steuben

Xx236 15:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Disaster

This page is an absolute mess. Without additional sources on him it's REALLY hard to justify the very negative tone and allegations made by this article. If he's really as much of a shmuck as the article implies, fine, but we need sources to back it up. TallNapoleon (talk) 08:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Schmuck?! The article's implications seem to be more along the lines that he was an incompetent drunken bullshitter. Either way, more proof is needed to back up this assertion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.16.208.177 (talk) 17:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

POV mess

This is article is about a simple captain of a submarine who happened to sink a huge ship carrying mostly civilians. This should be fairly uncontroversial, this was war, he did not have any idea what he is sinking etc etc etc. There is nor reason for sentences like "supporters of Marinesco claim" and similar nonsense and wikipedia consensus is not required to retroactively approve the sinking of ships that happened during WWII. Richiez (talk) 19:39, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Source and objectivity

Most of this article is a direct translation from the Russian language Misplaced Pages entry with some selective editing. The Russian language article has source documents listed but is not footnoted to indicate which sources provide what information and many are German sources. Clearly, German sources have a bias regarding the Wilhelm Gustloff. The only likely objective treatment is to provide the view from both sides of the story.Федоров (talk) 23:07, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

The German article about the Wilhelm Gustloff looked ok the last time I looked so there should be not much bias regarding the sinking. Do you suspect that something is likely to be incorrect about the other biographic information, like alcohol and other issues? Richiez (talk) 14:09, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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