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University of Pristina

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Hello. I just wanted to tell you that i will not agree on any non neutral situation regarding this split. Only bright new, 5+ uninvloved comments will count for me. Anything else would be poor, and unsatisfying. --WhiteWriter 11:18, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand your concerns: both current propositions are neutral. Regarding my understanding of your motivation, I am pretty much surprised that you didn't feel comfortable with DS's proposal. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 12:14, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

No, current propositions are ok, i just stated this regarding votes already in the talk page. Yours/ours proposition for RfC is great, and we are waiting new editors. Well, my only problem with that DS propositions is this: When we splited the Kosovo article, main question (and problem) was only one sentence. Who gets the "Kosovo" article? And best proposition was: "No one". It was agreed that "Subject of Kosovo article cannot and shouldn't be both Republic of Kosovo and Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija" but it was also agreed that Kosovo ≠ Republic of Kosovo and Kosovo ≠ Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija. Up to some aspects, its the same here. Who gets the "University of Pristina" article? Per this logic, only same names in domestic languages is really neutral, up to the end for me... But we will see what will happened. :)) --WhiteWriter 12:28, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

P.S. I am sorry for complicating thing, but i completely lost good faith in several included editors, so i really cannot trust them to be neutral in this. We should not include ethnic profiling in this, but sometimes that is real problem. I am dealing with that problem for long years... Misplaced Pages can be strong political weapon, and only uninvolved editors will not create new weapons, but only good neutral encyclopedic article. --WhiteWriter 12:37, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

From my observations, you are pretty much wrong. Eg. ZjarriRrethues indeed tries hard to maintain the neutral point of view regarding the issue (though I won't say he's successful in his attempts, he at least deserves some respect for that), as can be seen from many articles with no hot discussions (see talk:Siege of Krujë (1466)/GA1 for example). Thus I would suggest you to stop commenting the discussion in a way revealing lack of good faith assumption on your side. Specifically given that such comments make the consensus less possible.

And I would specifically discourage referring to the "Kosovo" article split this way, as a it implies the existence pro-Serbia and pro-Kosovo camps and your participation in one of them. This, in turn, would be a good reason to disqualify your vote for possible violation WP:NPOV. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 13:50, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, and i am actually quite tired with this. I want to tell you that i withdrew from this split process, and i trust you to guide it as good as until now. Despite the Kosovo situation, i ma very sure that situation is the same here. None can assure me that, after both universities claim the same name, is the neutral for only one to have University of Pristina, while other is University of Pristina (Kosovska Mitrovica). My neutral pov is University of Pristina (Pristina), and University of Pristina (Kosovska Mitrovica). Equal to anyone. But that is me. Anyway, all best, and thanks for your fine views. --WhiteWriter 16:49, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmh

I've been in a bad mood today and yesterday, due to (among other things) my connection persistently crashing (plus there are issues with my cat's behavior, et cetera ad nauseam). So when I wrote that message, I allowed myself to conflate the disputants with the dispute.

I apologize for any offense I caused in doing so. I have modified my statement so as to more clearly distinguish between the disputants and the dispute (and I would have done so sooner, but my connection dropped as soon as I clicked "save" on the modified version, and it was several minutes before I could rejoin the network). The statement is still rather forceful, but it should be more clear that I am fed up with the situation, not the people. DS (talk) 16:23, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

As I'm suffering from the similar problems for the whole snow season (I'm in Montenegro, we have several meters of snow fall damaging power and connectivity lines), I understand your feelings.

I reverted the page to the last version of your today's initial comment to avoid others' investigations in its previous revisions. If you disagree, please revert me. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 16:31, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks, once again + Bosniak/Bosnian issue

Hi! Once again, you chimmed into one of my reviews to help out! Thanks! Might I add, since I'm a Bosniak (from Slovenia), I think that the language is "Bosnian", bur a person with Bosnian ancestry is "a Bosniak". However, on Talk:University of Pristina/RfC: split proposal it says that "Bosniak" is a language... So, could you please fix that? Thanks again, mate! --Khanassassin ☪ 14:49, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Someone added this list of languages in parenthesis without my eye catching it. It has nothing to deal with RfC at all. Once we've mentioned that, why wouldn't you vote there? — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 17:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I will :) --Khanassassin ☪ 18:21, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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3rd opinion

Could you comment more on your 3rd opinion. You seem to have commpletely ignored my imput without giving any reason. 23:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Frankly, I ignored your input because it didn't hint me any rationale for deletion of content. The proper way to address the issue would be to note that sources you cite invalidate substantial part of Bible as basis of christian ethics. This is my opinion on this question; if you are not convinced (and it seems to be the case), you might want to bring the case to Mediation Cabal, which may be a more appropriate mean of dispute resolution in this case. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 23:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)