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Hutchison effect

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I'm too late to vote, but my vote would have been "Move to Hutchison effect and improve". Hutchison is a crank, and his "effect" deserves an honest encyclopedic treatment, but now all the first Google results are crackpot sites. Ignorance wins again.  :( It makes me sad that scammers can just send an email to Wikimedia and have the truth censored like this. Is there any hope of getting the article about the effect back up? — Omegatron (talk) 22:04, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

As I said in the AFD, the redirect Hutchison effect use to be a standalone article. IMHO it had BLP issues but since it wasn't subject to an AFD (there was one from 2004 but it wasn't closed and it doesn't seem that there was a consensus to delete) there's nothing to keep you from restoring it and cleaning it up but I would recommend a new article from scratch or cleaning it up in your userspace first. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:17, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I might get around to it. — Omegatron (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

No :-(

Created to address the insincere use of such tags. Also see User:Ron_Ritzman/Retired and User:Ron_Ritzman/Semi-retired. I might do something with them next Apr 1st. Though I haven't been very active lately I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 11:45, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Good to hear that :) Wifione 03:32, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

about ISML

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There are some third-party sources about ISML:
1. from and google PR is 5
2.Final:Misaka Mikoto VS Shana from 178 and google PR is 7
3.Misaka Mikoto 1st from ] and google PR is 7
4.2011 ISML Misaka Mikoto got 1st from duowan and google PR is 7
5.ISML Final result! Misaka Mikot(form Index) got 1st from ANIARC
6.ISML Misaka Mikot won from uuu9 and google PR is 6
7.Saimoe tournament summary Japanese.
Can you change the result to keep?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yygnaf (talk • contribs) 21:42, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It was deleted over a year ago...no, it cannot be changed. If you feel you can write a draft, then go ahead, but I would check to ensure it fixes all of the problems noted in the AFD (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 21:45, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Question + Request

Third times the charm? user:Spartaz and user:Master of Puppets haven't responded to my requests , so you're number three in line.

I see you were recently involved in the deletion of Air Hawke's Bay

a. Can I create a redirect to Hastings Aerodrome, where it is mentioned?

b. Can you let me see a copy of the article, preferably by userfying it to my userspace or, less ideally, by e-mailing me a copy?

Thank You. Buddy431 (talk) 01:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

BIG thanks

I am sooooo happy you relisted Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mine Games (2012 film). Once I looked in, I realized that the template-created Find sources was absolutely useless using the parameters assigned by the AFd template. Through using more appropriate search parameters, it was easy to learn that this one passed WP:GNG and WP:NF. Many, many thanks. Schmidt, 04:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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? --Orange Mike | Talk 13:51, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about this. I was trying to click on a dif on my watchlist and hit the "rollback" link on the entry above which just happened to be your talk page. Rollback on the watchlist is EVIL :(. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:54, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh. Okeh. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Artel Walker

As someone who participated in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Artel Jarod Walker, you may be interested in the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Artel Walker. --Nat Gertler (talk) 08:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Never mind; AFD closed and article speedied. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:08, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Common sense

If there ever was a case for IAR, this was one. Toddst1 (talk) 19:28, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree that this unsourced stub was a bad article and I agree with its deletion but I would like to make a few points (I would have responded to this in the AFD but it snow closed). I actually first noticed this in another forum I participate in and looked to see if it was on wikipedia, noticed that it was deleted by PROD and checked the history. I was going to leave it be but I couldn't help but notice that RZuljani had removed the PROD tag but that removal was reverted without an edit summary, therefore I undeleted the article. I do not view this as "process wonkery". PROD is for articles that nobody gives a damn about (but that should not be the sole reason for deletion) and the fact that the PROD was removed shows that somebody does indeed "give a damn" and that someone should have been allowed to have his say in an AFD if he wished to do so. I believe that our deletion processes need not only be fair but appear to be fair and having one's objection to a PROD reverted without comment doesn't appear "fair".
Also, IMHO this article wasn't a "slam dunk" delete. It's probably too early for this subject to have an article but it is covered on Know Your Meme. I haven't looked for other supersources but that should have been enough for it to at least go to AFD and a delete decision there would have made it immune to re-creations, particularly if it went the full 7 days
As a side note, it seems to be articles that everybody but me thinks are obvious deletes that get me in trouble, see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Festivalism for another example. I removed a PROD that just said "HUH" and got roasted for it. It seems that I have a higher "WTF threshold" then many editors. See this AFD for a marginally related case. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

abdelhamidelsayed

dear sir kindly explain why you changed my own page, and i am asking this is my own page, i have not offended anyone by what is writen in it, and i have nothing to fear by citing my personal informations, so please please please kindly revert it or give me more information about your interference in my personal life best regards abd elhamid elsayed https://www.facebook.com/abdelhamidelsayed Abdelhamidelsayed (talk) 19:56, 3 January 2012 (UTC)abdelhamidelsayed Abdelhamidelsayed (talk) 19:56, 3 January 2012 (UTC)abdelhamidelsayed Abdelhamidelsayed (talk) 19:56, 3 January 2012 (UTC)abdelhamidelsayed


First request for Ultimatum (American band)

May I ask you to restore article http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Silent_Life&action=edit&redlink=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MisterFirst (talk • contribs) 14:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC) Hello, I am a Misplaced Pages viewer and use the site quite often. I am not a moderator and never edit any page, so forgive me if I am doing this incorrectly. I noticed that you deleted the Ultimatum (band) page for the American Heavy Metal Band, Ultimaum. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ultimatum_%28American_band%29 Apparently the band was taken down because, "WP:MUSIC#5 - "Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels."

Ultimatum have released records on Massacre Records, Rowe Productions and Retroactive Records. Anyone with even the remotest knowledge of the Christian metal genre which they are a part of would know that these are well known and respected labels. Retroactive Records is an active label with a roster that includes some very well known names in the CCM and Christian Metal genre. To say they are not an "important indie label" would be an ignorant judgment call.

As well, the band has a 20 year history, has toured the country and have been on many, many compilation albums on many different labels. If you are not familiar with Christian metal, then I respectfully ask that you not make judgement calls on what "important indie labels" are for that genre.

A quick search on Google under Ultimatum metal, Ultimatum Christian metal, Ultimatum heavy metal, or any similar title reveals a long list of articles and photos, including articles for the Associated Press: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=71JIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IP4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=1765,9477515&dq=scott-waters+ultimatum&hl=en

Ultimatum is included in the well known Collector's Guide to Heavy Metal by Martin Popoff, as well as just about every heavy metal website out there including Metal-Archives, BNRMetal, nolifetilmetal.com, AllMusic.com, Amazon.com, etc. Ultimatum has been featured on the cover of HM Magazine as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/Hm_magazine

Can you please restore the Ultimatum page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultmetal (talk • contribs) 02:00, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

See reply below. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:38, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Restoration of article Ultimatum (American band)

Dear Mr. Ritzman,

I am writing to you because you deleted the article "Ultimatum (American band), and I believe that deletion was not warranted. The reason for the initial request was the there was "no notability and seems like self advertising." As for seeming like self-advertising, that again is a purely speculative judgment call. The poster has no evidence that the page was self-promoting, only that it seems to be the case. I have read numerous band biographies that have been written by fans, as a I presume this article was, (including many on Misplaced Pages) and they all sound like that. So to use that as a criterion for deleting the article would mean that someone should review all similar articles and take the same action. Let me be clear that I am not advocating that course. If anything, this article and the ones like it should have been flagged for a need to be edited to include less bias.

Now, in the debate that followed, these were the reasons given for deletion: 

   Delete - I'm not convinced the band meets criterion #5. It's the important indie labels, not just ones that have articles on Misplaced Pages. -- Whpq (talk) 15:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

   Delete - Rowe Productions doesn't look like an important label. There's litle mention in Google news, books, scholar and images. Bigbird6 (talk) 00:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
   Delete - Fails WP:MUSIC, agree with above editor regarding Rowe Productions. JoshyDinda (talk) 19:06, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

First, is there an established definition of "important indie labels"? And isn't it reasonable to believe the fact that there IS a Misplaced Pages article on a label is a statement by Misplaced Pages that the label is important enough for its artists to be given the same consideration? But moving on from the argument that Rowe Productions does not constitute an "important" indie label, this is not the only label for which Ultimatum recorded. It has also recorded for Retroactive Records, which is perhaps the leading indie label for Christian metal. Retroactive is or has been home to notable Christian metal giants like Saint, Bride, and Deliverance. It has also re-released material by Guardian, Titanic, and Daniel Band. There is no one with any knowledge of the current state of Christian metal that should not be familiar with Retroactive Records, and any talk of that not being an "important indie label" would quite frankly be based in ignorance of the subject. In addition to Rowe and Retroactive, Ultimatum has also recorded for Roxx Records, which is not only a significant Christian metal indie label in its own right (albums by Holy Soldier, Eternal Ryte, Crystavox, and the all-star band Liberty N Justice), but is also a partner in Intense Millennium Records, which has acquired the rights to most of the Frontline/Intense/Alarma catalog and has been working on releasing remastered versions of some of Christian metal and rock's classic albums from the late 1980s and early 1990s. Roxx has also partnered with the Christian Metal Realm, one of the leading Internet communities for Christian metal fans, to create a two tribute albums for the bands Deliverance and Saint (in process). Beyond these labels, Ultimatum has also recorded for Massacre Records--home to artists like Saviour Machine, Fates Warning, and King Diamond. I think that list speaks for itself as to Massacre's legitimacy as an important indie label.

So, in summary, I believe that the deletion of the article "Ultimatum (American band)" was not justified and that those who argued for its removal (Basileias, Whpg, Bigbird6, and JoshyDinda) lacked the necessary familiarity with the Christian metal scene and Ultimatum to make the judgments they did. Further, it seems that the decision to delete was based around an argument that Ultimatum does not meet one of the criterion for determining "notability." The guidelines in WP:MUSIC actually say "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria," not that it will be excluded if it fails to meet one. To that end, Ultimatum:

Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself. --This would include HM Magazine and Heaven's Metal, the leading periodicals for Christian metal. It was the cover story for the March 2008 issue of Heaven's Metal

Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are notable). --This has been demonstrated above

Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Misplaced Pages standards, including verifiability. --Ultimatum is one of the premier thrash bands in Christian metal today.

Therefore, I request that the decision to delete this article be reversed and the article be restored.

Thank you for your time.

Messiaen77 (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid that the consensus to delete this article in the original AFD discussion was clear and if it wasn't deleted by me it would have been some other admin. This will have to be appealed to deletion review. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:37, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm coming here to jump in the discussion as one of the Christian Metal editors. I understand that you approved the Ultimatum (band) article for deletion, and I was wondering if you'd be willing to put the deleted article up under my user sandbox so that I can review and improve the article as necessary for resubmission at a later date. Thank you. 5minutes (talk) 18:15, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 Done User:5minutes/Ultimatum (American band). --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Muchas gracias. I'm going to work on verifying the information and plan to resubmit the article at a later date. 5minutes (talk) 01:54, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Restore FH-Complete

Dear Mr. Ritzman, I am sorry for responding so late. Because all employees have been on holidays, we have not been able to join the discussion. We kindly ask to restore the article "FH-Complete". It is difficult to provide suitable web links for a piece of free software that is currently only being used at two universities of applied sciences, even though by over 4000 students and 1000 employees. Our target group is small, but we have received numerous inquiries from various educational institutions since there are hardly any alternative programs on the market. Therefore, it is important for us to inform the public of our software package. The article already mentions our presentation of FH-Complete at the Linuxwochen in Austria last year. We will also be presenting our program there again this year. I would be happy to also provide a link on the Campus page to our partner school FH St. Pölten, in order to document the relevant number of users. So I request the article to be restored and thank you in advance for your feedback. KindlM (talk) 09:09, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you were not able to take part in the discussion and in the past I have reopened AFDs so that interested parties can have their say. However, you said 2 things yourself that were almost an argument for deletion. It is difficult to provide suitable web links for a piece of free software that is currently only being used at two universities of applied sciences. Our rules about this are clear. No independent sources, no article. You also said Therefore, it is important for us to inform the public of our software package. I'm sorry but that's not what Misplaced Pages is for. We write about things that others have already taken note of. Furthermore, per your use of "we", it's clear that you have a connection to the subject. If we are ever to have an article on this software, then it will need to be written by someone with no connection to it. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:16, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Please restore Kenta Nagata

I'm stunned Kenta Nagata got deleted. Not enough knowledgeable people showed up to comment, just mindlessly deletionist drones. 1up featured a long quote from him. WP:COMPOSER number one is met since he "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." Just look at how many things he has done. Composer is a notable enough part of a video game to be listed in the infobox for video games, he listed all over the place, for many mega-hit games. His IMDb page list his works. Most of the easily to find news coverage for the guy is in a different language of course. A proper search of only sites listed in the Video game Wikiprojects list of reliable sources shows more results, including an interview he did here Some places even review his work quite positively and mention you can buy the soundtrack of it also. Please restore this based on sources found proving his notability. Dream Focus 18:46, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

After examining the discussion closer, the only issue I see is that many of google news hits were in Spanish and it's possible that some delete !voters might not have considered that. However, at lease one of the !voters had "Spanish" as one of his babel boxes so I can only assume that he did examine them. I will concede that more participation from Spanish speakers would have been helpful but you will have to make your argument at DRV. If you decide to do that then I would strongly recommend that you do not refer to the participants in the AFD as "mindless deletionist drones". --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:12, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


Silent Life article restoration

Hello, there is a bunch of new publications on Silent Life movie, may I ask you to evaluate if now it is eligible for moving to mainspace 

(http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Article_Incubator/Silent_Life )

http://www.cinemotionlab.com/inform/1114 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/entertainment-arts-15674340 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Another-Silent-Film-Come-Out-prnews-3331690647.html http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/ef444a56-24dd-11e1-bfb3-00144feabdc0.html http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftelesite.ru%2Fnews%2F4247%2F http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1099209/ Thank you in advance --MisterFirst (talk) 20:35, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Restoration of Ultimatum (American Band)

Ron, I appreciate your restoring Ultimatum to my sandbox for improvement. Over the past couple of weeks, I've worked on improving the article, adding references, and clarifying the importance of the labels the band is on. I personally believe that the article now meets WP:MUSIC under #1 (I provided links to several genre magazines and music websites like Blabbermouth) and #5 (Massacre Records is fairly large in the really heavy metal genre and Retroactive Records has a large repertoire of artists with both original and re-release material). I've expanded upon the band's history and have worked with them to understand the importance of secondary sources instead of primary sources. While it's certainly not up to Featured Article standards, I do believe it is a start- or stub-class candidate for restoration at this time (although continued work will be done to improve the albums, etc.). If you agree, would you mind restoring the page to the main site or at least instructing me on what I need to do to get it restored? Thank you. 5minutes (talk) 17:33, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Ron, I've waited a week and you haven't responded. I've looked up the issue and I think I'm allowed to post the page to the mainspace. I am going to do so. Thank you for your help. 5minutes (talk) 00:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I haven't' had time to do much wiki stuff lately. Since it was deleted by AFD, the best course of action is to present the current draft to deletion review. Boldly moving it to mainspace would likely result in a G4 deletion or another AFD even if I moved it. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:56, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. I am resubmitting the article. Per the requirements: ==Deletion review for Ultimatum (American band)==

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ultimatum (American band). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 5minutes (talk) 01:48, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tryon Coterie

Shouldn't Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tryon Coterie count as an expired prod, not a no consensus?--GrapedApe (talk) 01:14, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Actually, treating an AFD as an expired PROD is not policy or guideline (I've actually proposed it twice and it was rejected twice) so it's something I do very rarely, mostly for BLPs. The reason I did it for Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/CeCors was because the article was an orphan and a 1 line stub that's almost a CSD A7 candidate. (and in hind site I probably should have deleted it as an "A7") However, Tryon Coterie, while unsourced, asserts significance and has 21 article space links. You are, however, free to renominate it at your convenience. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:09, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear Ron Ritzman,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Misplaced Pages administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.


So a few things about the interviews:

  • Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
  • Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
  • All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
  • All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
  • The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.


Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.


Sincerely,


Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Young June Sah --Yjune.sah (talk) 04:23, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of List of films considered the best for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of films considered the best is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of films considered the best until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Thank you, Schmidt, 01:34, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

DARE Championship

DARE Championship is a mixed martial arts event which was deleted because the page was created after only one event. They have now put on three events with a fourth taking place next month and are the only MMA promotion in Thailand and have received coverage from some notable mainstream media like CNN and MMA media like Bloody Elbow and MMA Mania. Would now be an appropriate time to restore and update the DARE Championship page? Werda66 (talk) 06:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Bobsled

Hi Ron - any idea why that essay is not in wp:space? The page history refers to a discussion at the village pump, but I can't find it. pablo 13:04, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

WP:BOLD :) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Hmm, it seems to have been the victim of a purge back in 2007. I've restored it. Maybe I'll get reverted in 2017, but what the hell, live dangerously. pablo 16:14, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

FIT delete

Ron, would you please do me the favor of userfying the "Free Independent Traveler" article that just got deleted? For right now I need some of the info in my research and perhaps I can improve it to article quality. thanks, Joe407 (talk) 04:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Joe407 (talk) 07:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of David Oberhauser

Please justify this deletion.Oakley77 (talk) 23:20, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the AFD discussion, which you participated in could not have been closed any other way as everybody but you said "delete". If it were not me then it would have been some other admin. Also, your comment that he plays for AC Ajaccio was rebutted by "Mattythewhite" who pointed out that he hasn't played a game yet. If you have a source that shows that he has then you are welcome to present it at deletion review. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:33, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

AfD Withdrawn

Hi, I plucked your name off the list of closed AfD's. I nominated this article for an an AfD: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Campaign_Against_Female_Genital_Mutilation but realized that the article could be changed to meet notability guidelines. I'm not experienced in this so I'm unsure of where to go from this point, should I just wait until an admin closes it or is there something I should be doing in the mean time? Thanks in advance! Vietminh (talk) 01:27, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid this AFd will have to run it's course due to 3 additional good faith delete !votes. While in the past I have ignored the rule for 1 "drive by" per nom delete !vote, I can't do it here. However, you can strike your nomination statement. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:44, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Kk thanks for clarifying, I have notified the users who commented in support of deletion that I was withdrawing, and the reasons why. 1 has said he supports my edits and that we should userify the article page. I am waiting for feedback from the other 2. Thanks again. Vietminh (talk) 01:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Edit: 2 of the users have now commented in support of my proposed edits to the article. Vietminh (talk) 01:59, 27 February 2012 (UTC)