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Welcome to Misplaced Pages!

Very good work on adding material to the Gododdin article . . . but the abbreviaton for Anno Domini ("in the year of the Lord") always precedes the number of the year -- it does not come afterwards. I've been told that placing it afterwards is gaining more acceptence, but no one has yet shown me an authority that gives approval to that style. -- llywrch 01:21, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!

Your comment about AD makes good sense, it being year of our lord... I cannot tell a lie, my usage was cribbed from the History of Scotland page which set me off on trying to clarify early history of south east Scotland. Chastened, I've looked at the Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (dates and numbers), and find that AD is not required. This matter will be corrected with my future edits.

Since there doesn't seem to be a Y Gododdin page I've expanded this section as well as making other edits and improving External references {focusing Votadini on earlier history to follow later. Since I'm approaching this from a Scottish viewpoint and your username looks rather Welsh, I'd be delighted to have any comments or advice on this page.

many thanks from a newbie, dave souza

Well, I'm just cranky about the proper use of AD -- & if you don't need to use it, then I'd say do without it. As for the user name, don't let the double ell's fool you: I live on the other side of the Atlantic. Learning about things during the two centuries associated with King Arthur is one of my hobbies.

As advice on things Scottish, be careful about the articles dealing with the period before Kenneth MacAlpin -- looking over the material there, some of it seems a bit suspicious, but I haven't had the time to check it. Never be embarassed in providing your sources (e.g., instead of saying "Joe Hornbeam was the most important figure in the history of Lower Slobbovia" because you read it in H.W.Q. Dingbie's History of Lower Slobbovia, write "According to H.W.Q. Dingbie, the most important figure in the history of Lower Slobbovia was Joe Hornbeam") it'll save on the wear & tear around here.

And feel free to ask questions: either of me, on my Talk page; or of anyone at one of the sites mentioned at the Community Portal. -- llywrch 02:47, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

No more ADs for me!

By happy coincidence, as you may well know, Y Gododdin the poem contains what may be the earliest reference to Arthur - but it's just indirect, and there's argument as to whether this is a later addition to the 7th century poem (for discussion, see Edinburgh).

He charged before three hundred of the finest,
He cut down both centre and wing,
He excelled in the forefront of the noblest host,
He gave gifts of horses from the herd in winter.
He fed black ravens on the rampart of a fortress
Though he was no Arthur.
Among the powerful ones in battle,
In the front rank, Gwawrddur was a palisade

Since the poem was written in Edinburgh this gives a tantalising hint of the origin of the name of Arthur's Seat, which is a rocky hill about 2 miles to the east of the castle. thanks again, dave souza

oops, my last comment was typed with more haste than judgement, as the Y Gododdin reference is well covered in the King Arthur page. I've taken the liberty of adding a link to it and to Arthur's Seat, Edinburgh to a (slightly revised) Gododdin page.

I've also expanded the Votadini entry, including reference to Coel Hen alias Old King Cole; the vagueness in those linked articles emphasises what a tricky period you've chosen for a hobby. Work on the BC part is still in progress. Thanks for the advice, dave souza 19:17, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)