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Sources

Warning: many of those are not on the internet, you will need to access a library.

  • From (select "depuis 1987" and "tri par date croissante")
    • Alain Rollat (22 Sept 1989). "Le gouvernement confronté à une tentative de déstabilisation des accords de Matignon Deux rapports sur l'agence foncière de Nouvelle-Calédonie dénoncent les passe-droits accordés à des proches du RPCR". Le Monde. p. 10. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • Alain Rollat (22 Sept 1989). "NOUVELLE CALEDONIE Deux rapports officiels consacrés aux activités de l'Agence de développement rural et d'aménagement foncier (ADRAF)". Le Monde. p. 10. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • Alain Rollat (22 Sept 1989). "Un bilan accablant". Le Monde. p. 10. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • "En Nouvelle-Calédonie " Le rapport de vérification sur l'ADRAF révèle le pillage du bien public ", souligne l'Agence kanak de presse". Le Monde. 22 Sept 1989. p. 10. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  • From
    • Claire Bommelaer (29/02/2008). "XVIIe : dans son fief,l'autre bataille de Panafieu". Le Figaro. p. 4. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • "Ces petites listes qui compliquent la donne". Le Figaro. 12 février 2008. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • "François Asselineau". Le Figaro. 20/10/04. p. 2. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • Jean Pigeot (20/10/02). "La tentation de l'UMP croit chez les élus de Pasqua". Le Figaro. p. 7. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • Sophie Huet (03/04/02). "Pasqua incertain jusqu'au bout". Le Figaro. p. 6. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • Eric Pelletier (29/01/98). "galathée : les négociations secrètes". Le Figaro. p. 10. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  • From Le Progrès de Lyon
    • "Qui gouverne la France ?". Le Progrès. 10/12/06. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • Frédéric Paillas (21/10/06). "Mais alors, qui gouverne la France ?". Le Progrès. p. 7. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  • From Le Parisien
    • M.C. (03/10/06). "Démission remarquée à l'UMP". Le Parisien. p. 2. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • Philippe Martinet (28/02/01). "Tibéri : "C'est un scandale"". Le Parisien. p. 4. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  • From La Voix du Nord

Regards, Comte0 (talk) 11:53, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for these sources. How would you suggest to use these sources to improve the article? I was thinking that using the Journal officiel would reduce general notoriety of the sources. --Lawren00 (talk) 15:29, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

The sources from the carnet of Le Monde and Les Échos are primary sources, they don't establish notability by themselves anyway. They republish the announcement with a brief biography, I suggest using the biographical part from Le Monde among with the announcement from the journal officiel. I mean, for example, something like:

François Asselineau (born 14 september 1957 in Paris) was a former chief of staff of the Minister of Tourism.

  1. "Tourisme". Le Monde. 30 May 1995.
  2. Arrêté du 1er juin 1995 portant nomination au cabinet du ministre
regards, Comte0 (talk) 00:40, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello, the sources about nomination from Le Monde and others are closer from secondary sources than the appointment notice from the journal officiel that are perfectly primary sources. I would think it would be better to keep the secondary sources. Also, would it be better to use references in the body article than in the lead since the lead is supposed to summary the body article? --Lawren00 (talk) 23:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


Notability

      • This chap and his party and very borderline notable. He (and his party) were both deleted from French[REDACTED] and this article is, to my mind, clearly being used as puff piece. Were the AfD still open, I would probably vote for delete. This article needs a BIG clean-up. OldSquiffyBat (talk) 18:53, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Usage of recent sources from TV and Radio to reshape the UPR part

Since Mr Asselineau was aired many times in the TV and Radio in 2011 to talk about his party, UPR, I was thinking that we have plenty of secondary sources that we can use instead of the link to the party website to explain about the party program. I list the sources here, the videos can be found on the UPR website or in video streaming website:

National TV

  • BFM TV in "Les Experts de l'economie" (economics experts), 16 september 2011 9h-10h

International Radio

  • Africa n° 1 in "Le Grand Debat" (The great debate), 7 september 2011 19h30-20h00
  • Africa n° 1 in "Le Grand Debat", 20 June 2011 19h30-20h00
  • Choq FM in "L'autre monde" (The other world), 14 February 2011

National Radio

  • RCF, 10 June 2011

Local Radio

  • Beur-FM in "Forum Debat", 20 september 2011 18h30-20h00
  • Tropiques FM in "Midi Dix", 19 septembre 2011
  • Beur-FM in "Forum Debat", 6 september 2011 18h15-18h30
  • Tropiques FM in "Midi Dix", 16 June 2011
  • Yvelines Radio in "Tous en politique" (All in politics), 12 April 2011
  • Generations FM in "Ca fait debat" (it creates debate), 13 March 2011 19h=20h
  • Divergence FM in "Provoscopie", 17 January 2011

--Lawren00 (talk) 05:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Here is how I see the UPR part:

François Asselineau created the UPR the 27 March 2007, exactly 50 years after the French signature of the Rome Treaty. The party is defined as neither left or right but as a rally for national freedom by withdrawing France from European Union, eurozone and NATO.

  • European Union, a creation from USA

Based on American government declassified documents revealed by The Daily Telegraph, Francois Asselineau believes the European Union was created by the intelligence services of the United States. Therefore, European Union was not created to serve the interest of Europeans but those of the United States. He thinks that their goal is to make France and other European nations as vassal state. He explains that it was done by taking over the main functions and powers of President of France and National Assembly of France deputies to the profit of European Central Bank and European commission which serves the interest of the transatlantic lobbies.

  • Proposal of UPR

To gain back its national freedom, Francois Asselineau proposes France unilateral withdrawal from the European Union by the usage of TEU Article 50. Then, he wants to re-empower the banque de France to creates money and lend without or with very low interest rate to national administrations by denunciation of the article 25 from the law n°73-7 of 3 january 1973 about the banque de France statutes. He proposes France to gain back its national defence freedom by the withdraw from the NATO. François Asselineau endeavour France to take over again its right of defending its national interest at WTO that he believes is now defended by the European commission. He proposes also the restoration of capital, goods and person flow regulation control. Francois Asselineau proposes to revert the reduction of public services and to create a national housing program.

  • UPR and Francois Asselineau as candidates for 2012 French presidential election

Francois Asselineau mentioned several times in interviews that he will run for the 2012 French presidential election. However, he said that he will announce it officially later during the autumn 2011.

  1. Ambrose Evans-Pritchard (19 september 2000). "Euro-federalists financed by US spy chiefs". The Daily Telegraph. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  2. ^ BFM TV, "Les Experts de l'economie" (The Economics Experts), 16 september 2011 9h-10h

I used mainly the interview of BFM TV. Maybe we should complete this description with what was said at Africa n° 1. But I think we should not make it too long as the deeper explanation can be extended within a main UPR article. --Lawren00 (talk) 03:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I fixed the reference. As for the UPR, the only notable reference I could find about it was which says: "un petit parti à peu près inconnu, l'Union populaire républicaine" (a small party almost unknown). That makes it unworthy of a main article IMHO, but I wouldn't mind being proven wrong... Regards, Comte0 (talk) 00:32, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for these corrections. For Sources for UPR article, you are right that strangely, there is no written reliable sources. However, in all the interviews listed above, Mr Asselineau introduced himself as president of the UPR. Thus, I was thinking that they may be used as source for the article. --Lawren00 (talk) 15:29, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. The interviews are verbatim transcriptions of Mr Asselineau's speech, they fail the "independent of the subject" clause of WP:GNG. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 09:14, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I checked carefully GNG and it says " "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by those affiliated with the subject or its creator. For example, self-publicity, advertising, self-published material by the subject, the subject's website, autobiographies, and press releases are not considered independent. " . Which exclude the usage of UPR website, the blog la Lettre volee, the conference of Mr Asselineau but not his radio/TV debates and interviews right? --Lawren00 (talk) 14:34, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages France censorship and Mr Asselineau

BTW, searching for François asselineau and wikipedia yield a few interesting results, for example and . Regards, Comte0 (talk) 00:09, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I moved it to a new part. --Lawren00 (talk) 05:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

And I think it should stay below Notability above. I mean, I've already caught an IP red handed trying to stack votes. The next time an "innocent ip" try to have this article deleted (and Mr Asselineau look like a martyr), I think I'll start assuming bad faith at AN/I. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 14:20, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes the point you are mentioning is interesting. I also found this one :

I wonder if we can make a part in the article about it. --Lawren00 (talk) 05:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I think we can.
  • David Monniaux is quite well-know as a wikimedia speaker in France, his speach at a french major computing institute is reliable.
  • enquête & débat claims to be a serious information website (see the legal mentions at the bottom of the page)
  • Using the French AfD in the article might be a conflict of interest. Maybe it would be a good idea to seek help at Talk:French Misplaced Pages?
  • I think lalettrevolée is a blog, and should not be used, although google show that a few people think he was unfairly censored on the internet.
Voilà. Comte0 (talk) 14:20, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Also, the lepost article refers to the last of the sources above from Divergence FM. I think both are reliable. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 14:32, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
I disagree on Enquete-debat which is usually the "voice" of some nationalist (the founder is fr:Jean Robin is more a nationalist polemist and not a real journalist (self called journalist while he never has been), also known for some "strange ideas" ;) really close to the same political line than François Asselineau, and was part of the UPR)... Enquete-debat is far from what we usually call "a reliable source" : not independant at all : support those thesis. And no LePost is not a reliable source in that case : it's behaving for this post as a blog : you can write your own article without any editorial check. Loreleil (talk) 23:32, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
So we all agree that David Monniaux's speech at INRIA (link 5 above) is reliable, then? And that, from[REDACTED] POV, we should talk about admissibility? Comte0 (talk) 22:20, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Rofl self source is quite a joke :[REDACTED] talk about[REDACTED] ^^ Loreleil (talk) 00:14, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, in addition to Enquete-Debat, there is now also the source from Numerama. Here is the title and text, I propose:
CENSORSHIP AGAINST FRANCOIS ASSELINEAU
(sub title) In the Media
François Asselineau had claimed to be victim of censorship by the French media. As official candidate for the French presidential election, 2012, he believes that French media are not following the recommendation advised by the Conseil supérieur de l'audiovisuelSource Tropique FM]. In an answer to François Asselineau's complain, the Conseil supérieur de l'audiovisuel recognized that François Asselineau has to be treated fairly compared with other candidates considering his online popularity Source CSA.
(sub title) In French Misplaced Pages
François Asselineau complained several times in the media about the censorship of his page on the French Misplaced Pages source Enquete & debat. According to Numerama, the page is forbidden of being created because he is considered not meeting the politicians accessing conditions due to lack of notability and for not having be elected to any French national election. Numerama "ironically" notes the existence of the English version of François Asselineau's page that they consider well furnished with information and regularly updated Source Numerama. --Lawren00 (talk) 06:43, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree that this could be used as a source (even if I think the journalist has done a poor job in understanding what is the difference between WP and the Chapter Wikimedia France...
On the element about the CSA you are misunderstanding the letter from the CSA they didn't recognize your political parti and your candidate were treated unfairly.... they just told that if they notice such problem they would react :) Did they react up to now ? no. Loreleil (talk) 18:30, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Dear Loreleil, thank you for your point of view. However, please keep your point to the content of the article and avoid indirectly accusing me of "non-neutral" point of view by labeling that it is "MY" party and "MY" candidate. Just a quick check at Misplaced Pages:Etiquette can remind you this Labeling editors or their edits with terms like "racist", "sexist", or even "poorly written" make people defensive. This makes it hard to discuss articles productively. If you must criticize, do it politely and constructively. Avoid usage of invectives, expletives and the seven words, even if the same are used without an intention to attack any editor, as these may be easily construed to be personal attacks and may not productively add to the collegial and congenial environment that the project strives to propagate.
For the CSA, I agree with you, and that is why I do not think I misunderstood their writings but I believe you misunderstood my writings since you are saying that I wrote that CSA agreed Francois Asselineau's complain which I did not. I just wrote that they recognized that François Asselineau has to be treated fairly compared with other candidates considering his online popularity . It is just a translation of the 4th paragraph of the letter. --Lawren00 (talk) 00:36, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Added --Lawren00 (talk) 15:36, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
I was clearly not OFFENSIVE in anyway, you already said in the past you were member of the party and suggesting you were supporting the candidate. Telling otherwise would be "negating evidences"... We all know that this article has specific interest for you (you don't contribute much on any other subject in any wiki). In the non neutral aspect "the Conseil supérieur de l'audiovisuel recognized that François Asselineau has to be treated fairly" shows that the CSA told that Asselineau has to be treated fairly, but no CSA doesn't tell that : they say : any candidates have to be treated fairly, by taking into account their respective existence and "representativeness" and Asselineau is no exception. Loreleil (talk) 17:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
I never said at any time that I, lawren00, is a member of the UPR. And my life out of[REDACTED] has no relevance in your argumentation. Even if you had Harry Potter's Magic wand that could reveal my real identity, let me warn you that I do not want to see my name in Misplaced Pages. If you do put my name in Misplaced Pages, or a link to it, I would have to request administrator to block you by invocation of Template:Pinfo4. Regarding my participation, I created totally 10 articles, 8 about Korea where I belong to the portal, one about a technology and Francois Asselineau. So you are lying again when you say I don't participate to other subject. 90% of my contribution are for the Korean portal. Now please read again Misplaced Pages:Harassment#Posting_of_personal_information and Misplaced Pages:No_personal_attacks, I wish I will not have to talk about that anymore. --Lawren00 (talk) 08:24, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Stop talking about asking for my block if I do X or Y, I didn't do anything that is corresponding to this fact... The rest I suggest any other one to check the contribs since 1 year :) Loreleil (talk) 17:24, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
This section is non neutral. You cannot use the word "censorship" when the sources don’t even use it, or for Misplaced Pages which is private, and can't use primary sources as unique PoV. You are doing original researches here. Schlum (talk) 23:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, thank you for your help on improving the article. Accusing us of doing PoV when everything we add is first exposed in the talk is a bit arch for a new comer on English Misplaced Pages. Regarding your point, the word "censorship" is used by Jean-Jacques Seymour, also here and there. The change you made "Media Images" does not fit at all since the section does not talk about his image in the media in general. If you would like to propose an alternative title, feel free to propose it here first, let's find a consensus, then proceed to the change. --Lawren00 (talk) 00:14, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
We cannot leave a title which is non neutral and presents a PoV ; if you think than "Media images" don’t fit the content, maybe you can find a better alternative, but using such a word representing F. Asselineau point of view (quoted by some journalists) is out of question. Schlum (talk) 17:05, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
It is not a POV but the words from Jean-Jacques Seymour and Jean Robin here. The changes you made with the new title Complaints against Media and removing the sub-part titles mentioning French Misplaced Pages and censorship in the title are ok. However, I would appreciate that you discuss it here, find a consensus, then make the changes as I advised above. --Lawren00 (talk) 08:05, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Words of J-J. Seymour and J. Robin (quoting F. Asselineau) are a PoV. Title must be neutral, and speaking about "censorship" (furthermore about a non-public space) is not for sure. Content must be neutral too, currently, it is only showing F. Asselineau’s point of view, but maybe this new source will help to balance the NPoV, explaining most of WP fr editors point of view on F. Asselineau notability ? Schlum (talk) 11:03, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
And concerning the § about CSA, this source should be mentionned to balance the NPoV too, showing the CSA’s point of view about F. Asselineau’s assertions. Schlum (talk) 11:07, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Here let me quote Enquete et Debat's article: the title says "Misplaced Pages France censure François Asselineau, pas Misplaced Pages US" and within the article "l’encyclopédie en ligne wikipedia, qui censure François Asselineau dans sa version française comme nous l’avions déjà évoqué en janvier 2011" can be read. It does not say Francois Asselineau who is claiming of being censored but it says Misplaced Pages that is censoring Francois Asselineau. Therefore it became the point of view of the journalist. For the 2 sources that you found, I agree to integrate them if it can enrich the section. Feel free to propose how you would integrate that. --Lawren00 (talk) 00:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
New source from France televisions with a paragraph about Francois Asslineau entitled "François Asselineau : le censuré de wikipedia". We have now 3 sources talking about "censorship". --Lawren00 (talk) 15:09, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Another source by Nouvel Obs mentioning his aired-time in the media = 0. This was his reason of complain to CSA.
Another source talking about Asselineau-Misplaced Pages and mentioning the wiki fr notability guideline La Voix Du Nord --Lawren00 (talk) 00:18, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

As explained, you've over interprated CSA decision about taking into account Internet : it s used to determine those who has claim to be candidate to be able to determine who should seriously be taken into account for the fairness in the media's "presence" Loreleil (talk) 17:06, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Original text:
Among materials considered to assess the capacity to express candidacy's intention, the usage of on-line communication means will be considered. Considering the assessment of Mr Asselineau's representativeness, it will be taken into account that the recent creation of the Union Popular Republican can not, as a result, exhibit any recent elections' figure.
Text in the article:
In response to Asselineau's complaint, the Conseil supérieur de l'audiovisuel confirmed that any potential candidate has to be treated fairly, and that all communication tools will be taken in account to measure the candidate's representativeness, including Internet ones
My proposal to be closer from the original text:
In response to Asselineau's complaint, the Conseil supérieur de l'audiovisuel answered that, considering the recent creation of the Union Popular Republican, result to recent election can not be taken into account to assess the representativeness of Mr Asselineau. Instead the usage of on-line communication means will be considered.
Tell me your opinion and if not agree, how you would modify. --Lawren00 (talk) 02:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to show us the complete lack of neutrality in your contribution : you have transformed the sentence to something that is completely not said by the counsil... Since nobody neutral except me is looking into this problem, I will let it as it even if we clearly are here in a case of pov pushing : nothing to do since it's completely under control of pov pusher... Loreleil (talk) 23:11, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Comment on article

I've tidied this up a bit. It has obviously been translated from French and still read pretty un-evenly in many places. I have deleted a lot of excess CV-like material and removed one or two incomprehensible sentences and claims. I'm still not sure it warrants an article on Misplaced Pages as there seems to be nothing about the man or his party on the mainstream French sites. (And I just don't buy the censorship stuff above. For a host of reasons). It needs keeping an eye on as both the article and the party seem to be getting pushed a little - and are only borderline notable. But it reads better than it did before and that's the main thing for now. OldSquiffyBat (talk) 19:22, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. Did you search using google ? Many of the sources I found when I went to the library were behind a paywall or were not on the internet. Also, the results are biased according to your country: here in France, the search return from Nord éclair, from Le Nouvel Observateur, from Numerama, among others ( isn't in the first google news results, for example). Regards, Comte0 (talk) 23:46, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Thank you for your help on improving the article. However, I see that you are a recent user therefore, I would like to advise you to read Misplaced Pages:Etiquette. We are several wikipedians contributing on this page and we always find a consensus on the Talk before proceeding changes. We would appreciate that you also do so and especially when those changes consist in deleting sources, sourced information or altering the meaning of the information (such as the change Asselineau wants to bring to Banque de France). Thank you for your understanding. --Lawren00 (talk) 00:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Lead

After coming back on the change proposed to the lead, I am thinking it would be proper for changing it according to the article content.

François Asselineau (Template:IPA-fr; born 14 September 1957) is a French politician. He belonged to the Rally for France (RPF), before creating his own political party, Popular Republican Union, (UPR), a movement known for its patriotism and Euroscepticism.

Here is my proposition:
François Asselineau (Template:IPA-fr; born 14 September 1957) is a French politician and an Inspector General. He belonged to the Rally for France (RPF), before creating his own political party, Popular Republican Union, (UPR), a movement proposing France's unilateral withdrawal from the European Union, the Eurozone and NATO. He is candidate for the 2012 French presidential election.
--Lawren00 (talk) 02:46, 9 March 2012 (UTC) Added --Lawren00 (talk) 05:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

FYI: proposed deletion of François Asselineau on the French Misplaced Pages

It might be useful to have a look at the assessment of François Asselineau's notability as per the current AfD on fr:WP, Discussion:François Asselineau/Suppression.

This AfD has been initiated following numerous requests to restore the French article from Mr Asselineau's supporters, in the context of the coming French presidential elections.

The final list of candidates is to be closed in less than a fortnight. Close to fifty politicians have announced they intend to run (among whom François Asselineau), but actual candidacies are subject to first obtaining 500 approvals ("signatures") from other political personalities (mayors of small towns, etc.). --Azurfrog (talk) 14:10, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

What French Misplaced Pages (or any other language Misplaced Pages) does is of no concern to us, nor should it be. Silverseren 17:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
You are absolutely right! So all these French editors must be dead wrong, and probably don't know a thing about notability in French politics anyway. I wonder if any of these buggers can even read a French article? --Azurfrog (talk) 18:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Oh, sure : the French most certainly can't possibly have a clear view of who is notable in their country and who is not. Should this article be kept - God forbid - it will certainly require a major cleanup. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 17:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
No doubt the editors of the French Misplaced Pages have a handle on their own notability criteria, and what subjects meet it or not. Furthermore, if the article is kept on the French Misplaced Pages, no doubt the editors there will apply the rules and guidelines prevalent there to govern cleanup of their article.

Hang on, were you two discussing this article, on this Misplaced Pages? Fair enough; are you prepared to engage in any edits of this article by the standards of the English Misplaced Pages? (And "God forbid" that it be kept? I've asked this question before, but honestly, I'm curious: what about this article bothers you so very much, to the point where you're acting as if its mere existence is an insult? Did this guy kick your cat or insult your parents?) Ravenswing 18:15, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup

Alright ... I've done some cleanup, largely on grammar, syntax, spelling errors, WP:PEACOCK violations, and WP:MOS errors: things like every instance where the subject's full name was rendered, dates not in English style, and WP:UNDUE trivia such as listing every minister under every government in which the subject worked. I've also removed a couple of poorly sourced paragraphs per WP:BLP.

That being said, Lawren00 states - here, as well as on my talk page - that all changes ought to be discussed on this talk page, and consensus obtained, before being made. Not only do I note that he has made numerous changes without obtaining anyone's permission in advance to do so, but this is not the customary practice on the English Misplaced Pages. While I'm sure that as a very inexperienced editor (he has fewer than 200 edits) he might not be aware of current policies and guidelines on the matter, consensus is only ever necessary for contentious changes, or in topic areas under discretionary sanctions. In especial, WP:BLP enjoins us to aggressively remove items which are poorly sourced on a BLP. If there are any changes which Lawren00 disputes, let's hear them. Ravenswing 02:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

FWIW, the last time I wrote here, in the "#Misplaced Pages France censorship and Mr Asselineau" section above, the title was changed to a contentious one, and the discussion lead to nowhere. I don't want to work on that article without heading to the library again to check their microfilms, and then I might be able to print some. Is anybody interested? Regards, Comte0 (talk) 07:51, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello thank you for your hard work on the article. Just to justify a bit about how I did, when I was building the article, yes I refereed few times in the talk page. Once the first satisfying version was done, I always reported my changes here, prior posting. The idea was to avoid edition war. I did the same for other articles where I participated. Now, you mentioned that we do not do this way on the English Misplaced Pages and I believe none of the[REDACTED] have ever set a rule to do like this (neither French Misplaced Pages, French admins will confirm or not). My intention was just to avoid the creation of bad atmosphere. If it is disturbing[REDACTED] to proceed this way, then I will not push. For the changes I would like to dispute, I should get a consensus before posting when other should not. I feel a bit ... discriminated? Anyway, I do not complain and I accept this way of doing. --Lawren00 (talk) 08:07, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Neither right or left

This mention was removed from the article but it was sourced by La Voix Du Nord where they write "au-dessus du clivage droite - gauche " + Dauphiné Libere. --Lawren00 (talk) 15:14, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

2004 report bearing premises of UPR

This was removed from the article "François Asselineau was openly defending an economical patriotism and criticising the institutions within the European Union that he judged too liberal.source Libération, L'état a la traque aux intrus économiques, 24 November 2004." I think it makes sense mentioning since it can be easily linked with the ideas he is defenfing for the UPR. --Lawren00 (talk) 15:33, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

UPR created 50 years after Rome treaty

Source bondy blog. Bondy Blog is not a common blog on the Internet. http://fr.wikipedia.org/Bondy_Blog In 2009 it was awarded the best political blog by challenges. Since 2006, Bondy blog is taking care of the political elections part of Yahoo France. --Lawren00 (talk) 15:45, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

UE creation of the US

Source Dauphiné Libere + bondy blog. --Lawren00 (talk) 16:19, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Article 50 of TUE

by the usage of TEU Article 50 is mentioned by La Croix. --Lawren00 (talk) 04:36, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
New version:
He believes that withdrawal from the EU and the euro by the usage of TEU Article 50 will get France out of its current crisis. --Lawren00 (talk) 02:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC) Modification added in the article. --Lawren00 (talk) 06:21, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Nationalization

UPR wants to nationalize highway, TF1, sinking banks, water management, Laposte, GDF Nord Eclair + Dauphiné Libere
New version:
He further favors the nationalization of troubled banks, TF1, La Poste, GDF, highways and water management. , .
hoping thereby to regain control over capital flows. . This part is to be developped with other sources since there is no relation with nationalization and regaining control over capital flows. --Lawren00 (talk) 02:32, 25 March 2012 (UTC) Added --Lawren00 (talk) 08:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Other things not mentioned in previous version of the article but that could be added

--Lawren00 (talk) 16:50, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

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