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Hello, Still-24-45-42-125! Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. You may benefit from following some of the links below, which will help you get the most out of Misplaced Pages. If you have any questions you can ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or by typing four tildes "~~~~"; this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you are already excited about Misplaced Pages, you might want to consider being "adopted" by a more experienced editor or joining a WikiProject to collaborate with others in creating and improving articles of your interest. Click here for a directory of all the WikiProjects. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field when making edits to pages. Happy editing! Old Al (Talk) 00:30, 22 July 2012 (UTC) Getting Started The five pillars of Misplaced Pages • Tutorial • Your first article How to: edit a page • upload an image Getting Help Frequently Asked Questions New contributors' help page Where to: ask questions • make requests Request administrator attention Policies and Guidelines Neutral point of view • Reliable sources Verifiability • Citing sources • No original research What Misplaced Pages is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The Community Community Portal • Adopt-a-user program Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • Resolving disputes Build consensus • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Things to do Be bold in editing • Help develop an article Maintenance • Peer review • Requested articles Join a WikiProject • Translating articles Cleaning up: General • Spam • Vandalism Miscellaneous Categories • Disambiguity • Stubs User pages • Talk pages Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Welcome to Misplaced Pages: check out the Teahouse!

Hello! StillStanding-247, you are invited to the Teahouse, a forum on Misplaced Pages for new editors to ask questions about editing Misplaced Pages, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us!

I, and the rest of the hosts, would be more than happy to answer any questions you have! Sarah (talk) 18:21, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

How to abuse a talk page.

In a recent post, Lionelt outlined a simple plan to get rid of me:

Guy like that are just the cost of doing business at Misplaced Pages. Once his talkpage fills up with enough warnings and blocks someone will take him to ANI. He'll get a second chance, then a mentor, then another chance, then some kind of voluntary sanctions, then a topic ban, and when he finally realizes he won't be able to push his POV he'll disappear. Going by his edit frequency, this process will take a couple months. Just be patient, always warn him on his talk when he's disruptive, and never never edit war with him. That only engenders sympathy for him.– Lionel 07:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Not coincidentally, when I cleared my talk page, the person he was writing to immediately reverted my wipe. I think it's painfully obvious what's going on here.

I have nothing to hide; I'm proud of my small achievements here and I fully expect that some people will be unhappy with them. However, this talk page is not going to serve as a sewer for these people to fill with bogus notices intended to create the illusion of a pattern of disruptive editing. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 09:02, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Please see Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Talk:Focus on the Family#Recreational drugs. Thank you. 72Dino (talk) 15:05, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, this is a legitimate notice. I may remove it at some point just to keep the page clean, but it's clearly not just an attempt to fill my page with notices. You appear to be acting in good faith, and I appreciate that. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 17:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Commenting on AGF

Feel free to remove this - it doesn't matter to me, but I think you should think about it.

WP:AGF goes both ways - suggesting that someone else is not assuming good faith implies that you are not assuming good faith, and "they did it first" isn't a valid excuse. Even if you think that they aren't, you should act in exactly the same way as if they were (because, of course, your thoughts could be wrong). In the case in question, you can't know that ViriiK wasn't objecting on principle that it hadn't been three days yet - not all reverts mean "I think your edit was bad." I think WP:AAGF ("assume the assumption of good faith") is very useful for this.

Also, please consider the strikeout I suggested. It doesn't reflect poorly on you, and it will be better for all involved. Arc de Ciel (talk) 03:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. As you'll see on the article's talk page, I've taken it. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 03:33, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

July 2012

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. I have noticed that some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to Political positions of Mitt Romney, have conflicted with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Misplaced Pages, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you to seek consensus for certain edits. Thank you. ViriiK (talk) 08:18, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

See, this is a bogus warning. The reality is that I restored some material that one editor chose to remove, and opened a line of discussion in the talk page. Unfortunately, your reaction was to revert, with the explanation "Now you object?". This is not a sensible reason; I'm allowed to object a few hours later. After I reverted, you edit-warred by reverting again, this time with a comment that made no sense at all, "There is no "consensus to remove". This is a fictional rule that you made up. Please take this to the talk page". Nobody was talking about any such thing; it's a meaningless comment. In fact, I was restoring, not removing, and I said nothing directly about consensus.

In short, you're editing disruptively. I'm going to remove this dishonest warning after I've given you time to read this response. And I'm going to direct you to please join me on the article talk page instead of here. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 08:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Please refrain from changing genres, as you did to Political positions of Mitt Romney, without providing a source and without establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first. Genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Thank you. ViriiK (talk) 08:21, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

This is likewise a bogus warning. Changing genres? What?! This doesn't even make sense. Moreover, everything I restored was well-cited and neutral. Please, this is just noise. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 08:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Political positions of Mitt Romney

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.