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Mike Evans (Journalist) - BLP Source

ARS Invitation

Hello, Roscelese. You have been invited to join the Article Rescue Squadron, a collaborative effort to rescue articles from deletion if they can be improved through regular editing. For more information, please visit the project page, where you can >> join << and help improve Misplaced Pages articles considered by others as based upon notable topics. Northamerica1000 23:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation, but I can't commit to regular cleanup; typically I do heavy source-searching and editing when it's a topic I'm particularly interested in and/or creating an article on. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Reply

I replied to you on my talk page Pass a Method talk 17:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Once in a blue moon

	Defender of social conservatism ;-)
	Once in a blue moon we see eye to eye on something. On this occasion we both jumped in to protect "socially conservative" articles from Pass a method. – Lionel 02:19, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "Focus on the Family". Thank you. --Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 03:51, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

advice

dear roscelese,

i would like your advice. there are, as far as i can see, currently 3 wiki pages about the books of bat ye'or,

Islam and Dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide,

The Decline of Eastern Christianity: From Jihad to Dhimmitude,

The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam.

i didn't manage to find any reviews of them in the jstor,

there are some reviews in reliable sources but they are less than handful, perhaps a couple dealing with the eastern christianity-book. do these books fail our notability-policy? sure, the term "dhimmitude" is indeed "notorious" but bat ye'or's books are clearly not academically notable. if you compare the 3 pages you'll notice the similarity and the want of reliable source (not a single reliable source in the main text). do these books pass our deletion criteria? if not, what about a redirect to the "dhimmitude"-page? in my opinion, bat ye'or's meagre credentials do not deserve that many pages on wikipedia.-- altetendekrabbe  10:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll see if I can take a look at sources later. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:50, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

West Wing AfDs

If you see a flaw in how I weighed the discussion, you'll have to be a lot clearer than suggesting my readings were a preferred result. Any re-opening of the discussion would lead to a re-hashing of the same two positions a) that the articles fail WP:N, and thus should be redirected, and b) that they should be kept anyways, because episodes of The West Wing are inherently notable. b) is not a very compelling argument - certainly it isn't made with a compelling case to ignore policy. If your preferred outcome is redirection - it's done, apart from the sourced one. If it's restoration of the articles - find sources, establish notability, then restore the articles with the sources. Re-opening the discussion is pretty pointless, they really couldn't have been closed any other way.

Apart from which, it should be obvious from both my comments and my actions that the discussion outcome is not the outcome I would've preferred. Personally, I'd much rather we had full articles about them. But the discussion is clear-cut; way too clear-cut for my own biases to change the outcome, beyond noting that since the redirection comes from failing WP:N, new articles that pass WP:N wouldn't be subject to the same judgement. WilyD 22:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	Thanks for keeping an eye on things, and taking bold stances. It is appreciated. Noleander (talk) 01:46, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

FYI

Please see this discussion. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 07:44, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 07:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember that. Surprised, in retrospect, that I hadn't commented on it. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:02, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Youreallycan RFC/U

You mention YRC "driving away other users"; can you give any examples? (I note that Br'er Rabbit has given one already.) Prioryman (talk) 07:53, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

If you don't mind an outsider's comment on this, I'd like to say that this case seems interesting for two things:

1) Just how obviously out of control this editor is, and how much impunity he has. When I made a comment that was misunderstood as an insult, it went straight to ANI. When I posted accurate edit-warring notices on a user's talk page, it also went to ANI. This person is continuously belligerent yet there are no consequences.

2) The cast of characters supporting him through thick and thicker. It's almost as if people who agree with him politically are willing to overlook his behavior entirely.

I'm fortunate never to have had to deal with YRC, but I can't imagine why Misplaced Pages would tolerate an overt bigot editing. I guess he would label me a "hater".

Anyhow, I'm not going to add my voice to the proceedings, but I have trouble not speaking my mind somewhere. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 03:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

lists

I absolutely didn't want the specific list to be the target. Another editor chose to headline it in the section, which is, I think, an error. BLPN was a good place to start. I don;t have the time to continue it in detail right now. I'm about to go away in a coupe of days. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 19:57, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Yup, I understand. For now, let's keep the list inclusion criteria the same, and when you have time, a larger discussion can be started. What do you think? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:04, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I propose to stay neutral now on the inclusion criteria there because I agree that a wider discussion should be held. I'm trying hard to keep it wide at BLPN right now. Does that make sense to you? I return around 18 August and all sorts of things may have changed by then. But. if you brief me then I'll be happy to play. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 20:11, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Evidence?

"BLP has until now provided a convenient cover for users who want to censor non-heterosexuality on WP"- Can you back this claim up with evidence? Cla68 (talk) 05:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry

I thought your comment was on the article, not the proposed merger paragraph. I see now it belongs in the same discussion. Sorry about that. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 00:25, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Request

Hi Roscelese. I don't believe we've ever had any contact or worked directly with each other but can i ask a request of you since i noticed you speak French? Could you watch this and note down pretty much every detail you can for me for use in the advertising section of the Citroen C3 Picasso article? I would be very grateful for this. Thanks and have a nice day/evening ツ Jenova20 11:27, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I do speak French but I'm not really in a position right now to deal with A/V media, unfortunately. Good luck finding someone to help you! –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:40, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I actually experienced a random act of kindness from another user/watcher who did it for me. I just forgot to tell you. No worries about this. Have a nice day/evening Roscelese ツ Jenova20 19:06, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

My new project - WWC

Hi Roscelese! I hope all is well. I wanted to stop by to share a new project with you that I am developing, called the WikiWomen's Collaborative. I would love your input about the project.

• You can find the project page here.
• On the talk page, you'll find a number of questions I'm seeking input on. I'm especially seeking thoughts about hosting the space off of Misplaced Pages (in the WordPress section). I hope you will join in on the conversation.
• Finally, this project will be developed with volunteers from around the world who want to engage and support bringing new women to Misplaced Pages. If you think you'd like to be involved in some capacity, that'd be awesome. We're still working on developing roles, but, you can learn more about volunteer opportunities here.

Thank you for the consideration and I hope you'll participate in developing this exciting new project to bring more women to Misplaced Pages! SarahStierch (talk) 23:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

A bit of help

First thanks for a quick answer on the notice board :D. Second, (and this maybe should be asked in the help desk), is there an alternative to inline attribution? Atm, to get good attribution, I think I need to say something like: The son said to a reporter that his father said "". All just to add to the chain of events that they stopped to pick up a injured man so to bring him to the hospital. What would you do? Belorn (talk) 17:13, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Responded on RSN. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:26, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Hagarism

I request your assistance and opinion at that article please. Please see the recent edits and the talk page. 98.227.186.203 (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Civility concern (at Maafa 21 talk page)

Hi, Roscelese.

In our conversation within the Maafa 21 talk page, if I have come across to you as being uncivil in any of my comments, I would like to apologize (WP:CIV). It has not been my intent to be uncivil. In fact, given the polemic nature of the underlying topic (i.e. abortion), I have worked hard at being decidedly civil. I admit that I have likely failed at times (hopefully as an exception and not as the rule), particularly in the area of forgetting to assume that you have been acting in good faith (WP:AGF). Hopefully, whatever uncivil comments I have made in the past can be overlooked as we move forward, particularly as we discuss the content of the Maafa 21 article.

The following are comments that I believe are questionable.

1. My opening statement (18:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC))
2. My second statement (18:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC))
3. My latest statement (11:43, 16 August 2012 (UTC))

I am willing to admit that I started off poorly and ended poorly. Hopefully, though, my many comments between came across as civil. If you have read more of my comments as being either harsh or hostile, again, I apologize and hope that you will accept that I meant no harm. God bless!

-- Beleg Strongbow (talk) 12:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

FYI: ] Don't get fooled by Mr. Santos, once holder of the broadest topic ban ever issued.... The Banner _talk 01:18, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Beleg: thanks for sharing your concerns. -- ClaudioSantos¿? 14:33, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

HELP!

Not sure what just happened: I was on the talk page for Christianity and Homosexuality. I tried to add one small comment at the end of the current discussion: Just as a point of information, I believe the verb sanction is being misused. To the best of my knowledge, to sanction something is to approve it. This is a bit antithetical to the noun sanction, which is a penalty. But that's English for ya!

For some reason, it put my comment in the wrong place, up further in the discussion instead of at the end. So I undid my edit. The preview looked good, but when I saved it, the entire talk page appeared blank! So I tried to undo that edit to restore everything. Everything shows up in preview, but when saved, everything is gone. I'm baffled. Can you look at the page and see first if there is anything there, and if not, try to undo my edits? I didn't do anything unusual or out of the ordinary, so I don't know why it acted this way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BroWCarey (talk • contribs) 15:53, 17 August 2012 (UTC)