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Please note: If I gave you a warning and reverted edits that you do not think were disruptive, leave me a note below and I'll look into it as soon as I possibly can. You might also try checking out this page, for common reasons that edits will be reverted. If I tagged your article for speedy deletion, please don't yell at me. It won't help your case. You are welcome to contest the speedy deletion nomination by clicking the appropriate link in the template notice. It will probably help if you specify a valid reason, though. With the exception of warning templates, if I've left a message on your talk page, it is already on my watchlist and I will see your reply shortly. There is no need to leave me a talkback notice in these cases. And finally, if I've done something mind-blowingly stupid, trout me!

Kuwait/IOA Total

I agree with the points you made on S&P's talk page. However, it's also bad to report information that is most likely false, even if we have no verifiable sources saying it is. Perhaps we should just leave the IOA total blank for now, with a footnote explaining the situation? Smartyllama (talk) 01:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

That sounds like a good compromise. Do we just set the athlete number parameter to "unknown"? I'm not quite sure if that might break the template, but I'll let you handle that if you like. The footnote is already in place, so we should be fine in that department. Evanh2008 01:05, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll try "unknown". If that doesn't work, I'll leave the field blank, which should work. Smartyllama (talk) 01:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

It worked with unknown. Once we figure out what the deal is, we'll replace it with the correct number. Smartyllama (talk) 01:10, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

London 2012's site has been updated; the three Kuwaitis formerly listed as independents have been moved to the Kuwaiti roster. Unfortunately, their total for that roster only comes to ten, rather than the number of eleven given by other sources. I don't think that this is a problem, however, as I'm no longer interested in citing London 2012 for information on which they have proven themselves to be unreliable. Evanh2008 04:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Something involving Rob Liefeld

Yeah, um, maybe you should lighten up? Rob Liefeld is absolutely terrible and "vandalism" doesn't really apply here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.97.104.66 (talk) 17:16, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Who said anything about vandalism? Evanh2008 19:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh, you're talking about this thing you did five months ago. Yes, that's vandalism. Don't do it again, please. Evanh2008 19:14, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

For alerting me to a BLP violation. Done. Dougweller (talk) 07:43, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Doug! I see now that there were two more that I missed, so thanks also for being thorough. Evanh2008 07:44, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

For telling me of what to know about Jaosn Russel, again, thanks. =)184.98.143.25 (talk) 09:19, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome! Evanh2008 10:23, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Reply to Note

I'm not sure what I did wrong and am hoping you can advise me. All I was trying to do was to agree with the mediators' decision about the Beatles "compromise." Did it seem like I was trying to do something else? I added my agreement under the "Your views" section on the mediation talk page. Wasn't that right? The note said I had refactored someone else's talk page. I'm not sure what that means, but, if I did a no-no, it was an accident. Thanks for any advice you can give me.Jburlinson (talk) 04:33, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

If you check the diff I posted at your talk page, you'll see that you accidentally removed two other editors' comments (and inserted one with Yeepsi's signature attached to it). If I misplaced your comment in repairing the damage, I apologize, and you can feel free to move it to wherever you think it belongs. Evanh2008 04:36, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Dude, stop templating people

The stuff on Alymustafina's page was totally uncool.

You are turning away potential contributors with your little kid mall cop antics.

TCO (talk) 04:19, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

You have a valid point. I use templates where I feel that they will be more helpful than direct engagement, but in this situation I definitely could have handled it better. I'm just trying to sort things out where edits look potentially problematic, and things certainly did look problematic in this case. Edit summaries are to prevent confusion over things like this, and when they aren't used, the edits come across as vandalism, regardless of what they are intended to be. But I overreacted. I apologize, and I thank you for calling me out on it. Evanh2008 04:28, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Having established the above, would it be possible for you to clue me in as to the purpose of the edits in question? If I know that they have a decent rationale, I can guarantee that there won't be any confusion in the future. Evanh2008 20:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

I would just like to thank you for asking Aliyamustafina (talk) to stop deleting large chunks of information for no apparent reason. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who noticed this and thought that it was destructive to the gymnast's pages. Since you warned Aliyamustafina the IP address 182.93.41.50 has been deleting the same type of information from gymnast's pages and I believe that it is the same user. I'm not sure what to do about it other than undo the edits on the pages that I follow and I would appreciate any help you can offer.Malluu12 (talk) 17:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, regardless of what the motivation is, those edits are disruptive without an explanatory summary. I noticed the IP edits last night and had intended to take a closer look at them today; I think you're right, though, as the pattern matches. At any rate, I don't think it's a whole lot to worry about. If the user doesn't explain the blankings, they can just be reverted and warned; and if it continues, they can be blocked. I've undone the edits and given the IP a level-three warning. If they start in on it later, they can be given a level-four warning and then taken to AIV. I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks for the notification! Evanh2008 21:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

60.246.242.89 now, too. Evanh2008 19:27, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Thanks, TBrandley 03:55, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Olympics page

No, I definitely wouldn't have done that on purpose. Maybe I 'selected all' and deleted the article in the editor by accident. My apologies. Stevo1000 (talk) 00:01, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

No worries! Thanks for the clarification. Evanh2008 00:20, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Led Zeppelin page

Evanh2008, I noticed a space between a letter and a period. I'm a stickler for stuff like that. When I entered the edit page, I noticed some formatted text in the location where the space was - text that didn't appear on the main page, nor added anything to the article, so I deleted it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.122.77 (talk) 01:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

That's hidden text. It is there to inform editors about certain peculiarities about the subject or the writing style where confusion is likely; that's why it doesn't show on the article, but only while editing. I had assumed your edits were in good faith, however, so no harm done. Evanh2008 02:23, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Pink Floyd

Great edits at Pink Floyd Evan! Thanks for helping out! ~ GabeMc 22:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Gabe! Haven't done much of substance yet, but I hope to get around to some more in the next few days. Great work on your part as well. Evanh2008 22:39, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Getting Wikimedians to the Olympic Games

Hi. I am part of an effort to get Wikimedians access to the 2016 Summer Olympics as accredited reporters and photographers. Part of this effort includes covering the 2012 Summer Paralympics. Two Wikimedians have credentials to attend these games as reporters through Wikimedia Australia. As English Misplaced Pages does not allow original reporting, this is largely through Wikinews with a project page found at Wikinews:Paralympic Games. If you are interested in helping to get Wikimedians to the next Summer Olympics,I'd encourage you to assist with Wikinews efforts, and also to work on all language 2012 Summer Paralympic Misplaced Pages articles before, during and after the Games to demonstrate a track record of success. Thank you. --LauraHale (talk) 04:52, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification! I'll help out as much as I can. Evanh2008 06:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

The trade mark argument as a legal threat

It occured to me that perhaps the trade mark argument for "The Beatles" is tantamount to a legal threat. Afterall, when editor "S" says, "Remember, 'The Beatles' is a registered trade mark of Apple Corps LTd." aren't they really saying, "if we don't cap all the definite articles Apple might sue wikipedia". Any thoughts. Also, I've asked our wikimedia general counsel, Geoff Brigham, to weigh-in on this issue, should be interesting. ~ GabeMc 22:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that's a completely valid way of looking at it. I don't see that the trademark argument has ever had any weight, but if the intent is to change the way Misplaced Pages does things by employing nebulous threats of litigation, I'd say that definitely falls under WP:NLT. Evanh2008 22:24, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

GabeMc, would you please provide a diff to that comment? The context is important, because if there's no more than this comment, I'd be hesitant to raise this up to the NLT level. That could be a violation of AGF. We should be cautious about doing such a thing and possibly blowing this up to more than just a comment. Maybe the comment is ill-informed, or maybe it's actually true, in which case it's informative and protective, not a negative thing. It is in the interest of Misplaced Pages and its editors to know if they are in danger of trade mark infringement. I suspect there is no danger, since fair use should cover mention. -- Brangifer (talk) 22:34, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

I hear you, but since I didn't mention an editor do I really need diffs, which would actually implicate a specific user? As far as context, that is pretty much it, and they have made the comment numerous times. I can sure dig up the diffs if you want me to, though I'm not sure what that would lead to. ~ GabeMc 22:38, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Here is a diff, there are many more where this came from. ~ GabeMc 22:43, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Interesting information, but I don't see any type of legal threat here. If there are other diffs that sound more ominous and threatening, I'd like to see them. Even if the trade mark statement is true, I don't think we'd be endangered by using the terms in text here. Only if we use it for commercial purposes would there be a problem. I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong, and I'd certainly like to be corrected if I'm wrong. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:43, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Friendly notice

Hi Evan, Firstly, I noticed you've added input at Talk:Jerusalem, as a Wiki-acquaintance I would like to make you aware that there is currently an WP:AE report against Farouk regarding his conduct towards other users. I have faced such acts by the user in the past and still to this day don't know why s/he cast racial attacks towards me when I had never even been in contact with him/her. So I thought I best let you know just in case the user comes along to your (or any other) talk page and starts posting racial threats to you too.

Secondly I'd like to thank you for the barnstar award, that was ever so kind of you, and I appreciated it so much. ProjectOlympics should design an Olympic Barnstar too. The experience volunteering at the games has been out of this world, the Olympics alone were such a buzz with everything going on. The Olympic Park is now going through the transformation ready for the Paralympics in 10 days time. I'm helping out with some of that preparations and doing shorter periods of volunteering days, until August 29 when volunteering gets into full swing again right the way through until the closing on September 9. I can truly say that if you get the opportunity to volunteer at such an event like the Olympics, Paralympics, or Commonwealth Games - that you should seize the chance, you'd really enjoy the experience it brings. Regards, Wesley Mouse 08:09, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the info on Farouk, and you are very welcome for the barnstar; keep up the great work! Hope the Paralympics go well. Evanh2008 17:50, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Garden of the Missing Soldiers

An article that you have been involved in editing, Garden of the Missing Soldiers , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Beastiepaws (talk) 07:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Gold star lesbian

You tagged Gold star lesbian as vandalism, and an administrator deleted the article. I do not think that the article was vandalism, as the term is confirmed at Urban Dictionary and this Google search. However, as a dictionary definition, it would be more appropriate at Wiktionary, and if the article had survived, I would have tagged it as {{dicdef}}. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:08, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. However, I could have just as easily tagged it under G4, since the same article was PROD'd back in 2008, and CSD'd the year before that. It also was written in a highly unencyclopedic fashion and (if my memory hasn't failed me) lacked sources, so I didn't see that it would have been of much use anywhere. Evanh2008 06:25, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

In this issue:

• Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
• Research: The most recent DR data
• Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
• Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
• DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
• Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
• Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 19:01, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Torah Study

Learned69 (talk) 02:56, 5 September 2012 (UTC)Can you explain why you considered the statement that part of the reason that Documentary Hypothesis is rejected by many is because it is contradicted by the Hebrew torah (in hebrew) the Mishneh and Talmud. You edited it to say that they believe that since its not based on evidence therefore it is false. Something not based on evidence is not proven, it is not a reason to hold that it is factually false.

You also insist that its only orthodox rabbis that reject it. 1. it is rejected by many people who are not rabbis and not orthodox at all. Polls show that the great majority of secular Israelis reject this theory. So do all Sephardic Jews. at a bare minimum do not call my revision vandalism.

I have no idea who you are so i don't know what your motive is, but it does appear that you want to make it appear that this theory is accepted by all, save orthodox rabbis, who reject it only for the illogical reason that if something is not proven then it must be false.

Since we are on the subject there is something else that i don't understand, and that is according to the Documentary Hypothesis the Torah is the ideology of a few individuals. Why is study of this work any different than, say, studying Aristotle. The idea of Torah study is that its a completely different caliber of book. You write that part of this study is to understand the society that these people live in. What is so important about those people and their writing, which may well be fiction. In addition the bulk of the Torah are commandments, ideas on how man should relate to God etc. What can archaeology teach about how to understand these teachings. Archaeology would only be of any help for the couple of stories that the Torah tells of, the majority of which there is nothing in archaeology that tells us anything.

You've made a lot of points, so let me address each of them in turn:

1. "You edited it to say..." Nope. I reverted your edits because they contravened our netural point of view policies. I've not actually authored any of the material currently in the article.

2. "You also insist..." No, I don't. See above.

3. "do not call my revision vandalism... I didn't. In fact, I make a point of not doing such things. Please don't accuse me of things I didn't do.

4. "you want to make it appear that this theory is accepted by all..." No, I don't. But your edits were not sourced and were in violation of Misplaced Pages's policies.

5. I essentially agree with the last few points you made. I don't even hold to the Documentary Hypothesis myself, so please understand that I have no intellectual axe to grind here. Despite that, our articles have to be held to a high standard of sourcing and neutrality. If you have further concerns, I would recommend you take it to the article's talk page for wider input. Evanh2008 03:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

The statement "because it is contradicted by the Hebrew torah (in hebrew) the Mishneh and Talmud" is not means as pov but that is why they reject it.

As to a source for anyone other than orthodox rabbis rejecting it. I don't see a source that says that orthodox rabbis reject it, so its not an issue of sources but commonly known fact. This is a theory held, as the article itslef says by those Jews in Europe who accepted this theory, the Reform and Consrvative movements. Sphardic Jews or israeli secular jews have nothing to do with those movements and it is well known that they don't care for the theory, if they heard of it at all. In fact zionists who are anti-orthodox, claim their right to the land of Israel because of the torah. I don't think that they mean, because the Elohist wrote it. So i think that we can expand what is commonly known beyond Rabbis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Learned69 (talk • contribs) 03:53, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I believe we had a minor misunderstanding there. I'm fine with you adding additional material to the article, and I'll go over it again to make sure everything's alright with it. We do of course prefer that you cite reliable sources for the material you add, but I think making certain that the article is both accurate and consistent with itself is also a good goal to have. Evanh2008 04:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Beatles Troll

Hello, Evanh2008! Before tagging anymore IP user pages, keep this in mind. Since IP's are recycled, we don't want to tag their user pages, but their talk pages instead. Just a heads up, and Cheers :> Doc talk 07:23, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the note. I had thought that was proper procedure, but then I saw an administrator or two creating and tagging user pages. I suspected something was wrong there, so thanks! Evanh2008 07:24, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem! Now he's in Egypt - quite the traveler... Doc talk 07:27, 9 September 2012 (UTC)