Misplaced Pages

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by SwisterTwister (talk | contribs) at 21:01, 11 October 2012 (→A piece of AfD advice: new section). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

If I left you a message on your talk page: please answer on your talk page, and drop me a brief note here to let me know you have done so. (You may do this by posting {{Talkback|your username}} on this page, or by writing your own note.) If you leave me a message here: I will answer here, unless you request otherwise, or I think there are particular reasons to do otherwise, and usually I will notify you on your talk page. Please add new sections to the bottom of this page, and new messages to the bottoms of their sections. New messages at the top of the page may be overlooked. Clicking here will open a new section at the bottom of the page for a new message. After a section has not been edited for a week it is automatically moved to the latest archive. Links to those archives are given below. However, I reserve the right to delete vandalism, trolling or other unconstructive edits without archiving them.

Archives

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80 81, 82, 83, 84

This page has archives. Sections older than 7 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 4 sections are present.

I'm really sorry, I just created my account and left it open round a friend's house! Thank you for undoing the pages! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonesyE11 (talk • contribs) 20:20, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Not following WP:ORDINAL is not vandalism?

Hello. Can you please explain this? The way I see things, WP:MOS is there to be followed rather than being disregarded. Your reply at WP:AIV sets not the best example. Cheers.--Jetstreamer  11:46, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I never said that the manual of style was to be disregarded. I merely said that disregarding it does not qualify as WP:Vandalism. There are many reasons why particular edits are unacceptable, and vandalism is just one of those many. As far as I can see, the editor in question may well sincerely think that "Of the 24 people on board, 3 were killed" is clearer than "Of the twenty-four people on board, three were killed", in which case the change is not "a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages". Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism is specifically a place for reporting vandalism, not a catch-all place for reporting any kind of editing which you think is wrong. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:53, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I have to agree with you in that my request was obviously misplaced. I apologise with you if my words sounded somewhat rude. I do find the edit in question as unnacceptable, as WP:MOS is there to be followed and to give all the articles the same aspect. Yet, I stil don't know how to proceed with the user recursively making them, despite being warned many times not to do that. Thanks for your response.--Jetstreamer  13:46, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

A thank-you note-plus

James, cheers for the great help and support. As for this I think I will simply keep you in mind for questions and perhaps a review of my editing on occasion. It sometimes feels as if I wear out my welcome, because I can be a dunderhead about so much.——Djathinkimacowboy 19:58, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Email

Heiro 20:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thoughts on this Noderaster contribs? They just popped up today, of all days. I'm sure it's someones sock, but of all of the users on that page and spa IPs, who can tell which. If they mount a campaign of harrasment, advice?Heiro 00:37, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I assumed as much, lol, thanks. Heiro 13:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Naseeb.com

Thanks for approaching Myrnahera this morning and attempting to explain the difficulties with their editing in a diplomatic and reasonable fashion. After checking for material to corroborate the article, I identified several possibilities, including Forbes, Dinar Standard, NYU, and NYT, which seem to connote sufficient coverage to warrant the removal of the deletion tag. Where secondary material substantiates claims within the article, my principal concern is that the proposed deletion might vindicate the aggrieved editor, irrespective of whether their grievances are valid. Any thoughts? Best wishes, Mephistophelian (contact) 12:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC).

I've had a quick look at the sources you link to. I'm a little doubtful about a couple of them. this one has only a passing mention of naseeb.com. I'm not sure how good a source a student site such as http://journalism.nyu.edu is. (Note that I am not saying it isn't a good source, just that I'm not sure.) Also, the content of some of the sources looks to me rather like write ups of press releases, rather than objective reporting. However, I have to go offline now, and don't have time to check the sources more thoroughly, and without such a thorough check I am really not sure. If you judge that there is enough there to contest the proposed deletion then please add references and remove the notice from the article. As for your concerns that deletion "might vindicate the aggrieved editor, irrespective of whether their grievances are valid", I completely understand what you mean, but we really should not allow considerations such as that to influence decisions. If the article qualifies for inclusion it should be kept, and if not it should be deleted, irrespective of what some particular editor may think of it. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:53, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Request for help

Hi there. Sorry about this, but our Brazilian disruptive editing friend (User:Leandro da silva pereira santos) is back once again on IP: 189.27.241.169 as per this edit. Since you're the person who has dealt with this frequently, could you please see to this IP too? Thanks Paralympiakos (talk) 13:47, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help so far. Unfortunately, we have another at 177.18.43.239 - sorry about this. It would appear that this one just doesn't give up. Paralympiakos (talk) 12:15, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Blocked. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:36, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

and another at IP: 189.27.170.123. I know it is a drastic measure, but would you consider semi-protecting some of the pages that this individual has been targeting? I know there's a lot of them, but I see it as the only option now. Paralympiakos (talk) 08:21, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Originally I was not protecting articles, as I saw an editor who jumped about to different articles all the time. However, prompted by your message, I have looked more closely, and found that, although a large number of articles are involved, the editor consistently comes back to those articles, and his/her edits are a substantial proportion of recent edits to the articles. Because of this, I have semi-protected a number of articles that the editor has recently attacked via more than one IP address. The length of the protection varies from one to three months, depending on the length of time during which I can see evidence of this editor's involvement. Let me know if you know of other articles that need to be considered, or if the problem comes back when the current semi-protection expires. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again. I know it isn't an ideal situation, but Leandro just keeps doing it. I'll let you know if anything else happens. Hopefully it doesn't though! Paralympiakos (talk) 09:47, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

User:201.68.111.198

Another Pe de Chinelo IP sock in need of blocking. He is nothing if not persistent, eh? ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 14:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Gregory1132

This editor is a self admitted schoolboy, and while his edits have been less than ideal I do not believe that any harm was meant by them. but competence is clearly an issue. Could I suggest that he be offered unblock on condition that a mentor be found for him? I would do it, but tomorrow I leave the country for a holiday and cannot help him from Bali!--Anthony Bradbury 21:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid I unblocked after checking his talk page and yours to see if you had responded to my message, but stupidly without thinking of checking here. However, I will suggest to the user that he seek a mentor, and if he doesn't then I will keep a close eye on his edits, and advise him as necessary, and if there seem to be significant problems I will strongly suggest that more formal mentoring is needed. If I had seen your message earlier I would have discussed it further before unblocking, though my experience leads me to be doubtful about the effectiveness of making mentoring a condition of unblocking. I am much inclined to agree with Misplaced Pages:Mentorship#Involuntary mentorship, which says "Involuntary mentorship has a very poor track record and is not recommended." I have also more than once seen the situation where an admin makes getting a mentor a condition of an unblock, the blocked editor agrees, but the whole process is then obstructed for the reason described at Misplaced Pages:Keep it down to earth, which says "Don't try to wish a mentor into existence where no one has stepped forward, unless you're prepared to become the mentor." At the informal level of, as I said, keeping an eye on the edits and offering advice, I am willing to be a mentor, but not to do anything more organised than that. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:15, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

thanks for that,i have a teacher at school who appantly used to be a wikieditor.Gregory1132 (talk) 18:36, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

FYI, about Maractus and Cupco

Maractus is the ED admin and GNAA associate Meepsheep. He's usually globally blocked on WMF projects on sight. He also owns the domain maract.us under a pseudonym. Cupco has had dozens of previous accounts blocked, including Selery and Nrcprm2026. He doesn't like the GNAA. Meepsheep is happy he's won this battle. Notice his edits 15 minutes apart on enwiki and ED.

References:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ASockpuppet_investigations%2FDualus&diff=515989268&oldid=515921033
encyclopediadramatica.se/index.php?title=Gay_Nigger_Association_of_America&diff=prev&oldid=430950
https://meta.wikimedia.org/Steward_requests/Global/2011-06#Global_lock_for_Meepsheep
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=meepsheep+%22maract.us%22&hl=en&prmd=ivns&filter=0
http://bgp.he.net/dns/maract.us#_whois
2605:6F00:877:0:0:0:B505:DCE6 (talk) 02:50, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Help me

I am a big fan of justin beiber, but I can't ask questions on his talk page, can you help me?75.171.2.67 (talk) 22:56, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

response

I responded to you at User_talk:24.177.122.31. Also, I needed an account on Commons to email someone, and through the magic of SUL, now I've got one on en. So FYI, you might want to block it. Throwaway Sockpuppet Account (talk) 03:00, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Supriya Maskey

Hi James. I would like your input on this please. I originally BLPPRODed this article. The user has gone to a lot of trouble to make a decent article and provide refs. However, I still don't think it's appropriate. See also the message on my talk page. Also , an IP has tried to AfD it but it was their only edit to Misplaced Pages and they made a mess of it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:38, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

• At a quick glance through, the article looks well written, and, as you say, the author has gone to quite a of of trouble. This is the sort of situation where, even if the article does not satisfy our requirements, deleting it seems very unfriendly to the author. However, the question remains, is the subject notable?

First thing that struck me was the impressive list of 17 references. However, most of them turned out to be duplicate copies of a few refs, and when I condensed them by using <ref name=... /> I found there were really only six references. One of these neither mentioned Supriya Maskey nor supported any statement in the article, as far as I could see, so I removed it, leaving five references, including two pages on one web site, so really only four separate sources. At least some of these, in my opinion, are of little or no value in establishing notability. http://models.hawamodel.com says of itself "The model profile is targeted to the modeling agencies and individuals who want to contact the model for their projects. Links to the sites to contact to get the further information are also posted along with the model profile." That reads to me as an announcement that the site is a promotion service for models, so it is not an independent source. http://nepalesecouncil.com says "Nepalese Council is an Event Management company which is involved in the promotion of Nepali Culture, Art, Music, Social Services, Events and youth wish... Nepalese council is steadfast in bringing out a world Class pageant." Again, clearly a promotional site. Two of the five references are pages on http://xnepali.net. It is less clear to me what the nature of this site is, but I notice that both the pages credit FaceBook, which causes me to doubt how reliable and independent a source it is. The absence, as far as I can see, of an "about us" page or equivalent makes it difficult to assess the site. That leaves only the page at www.myrepublica.com, which looks as though it may be a reliable source, though it is difficult to be sure. Even if it is, I don't think that we have substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources. All in all, what I see in the references is typical of what we tend to get when an inexperienced editor writes an unsourced article, finds a threat of deletion for lack of sources, and rapidly adds as many links to web pages mentioning the subject as they can, with little understanding of what sources are useful.

Another point is that her single claim to fame appears to be her participation in Little Miss World Nepal. There is no Misplaced Pages article about Little Miss World Nepal, and in a fairly quick look through the hits from a Google search I saw, apart from FaceBook, mostly things which looked very much like promotional sites and other sources of little value.

All in all, as you will have gathered by now, my impression is that the subject does not satisfy our notability guidelines. As I said above, deleting an article where the author has put so much effort in seems rather unfriendly, and I would feel somewhat uncomfortable if I found myself being the admin who assessed an AfD and found I had to delete it. However, being kind to the author is not a valid keep reason. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:21, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks James for all the hard work you put into this. It confirms exactly what I found. If you don't mind, I'll simply link the author to your explanation. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:31, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

That's fine. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks James for all your dedication to go through out the article Supriya Maskey. Thats good information to what I have learnt. Please recheck the references that i have coded for reliable source as the news here in nepal is popping out. In every papers and websites. You could go to nepalese council website and also littlewrold website to see the reference it it is reliable information or not. I would be happy if you assist me to help me how to ref the sources. Lets do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Binod.hyoju (talk • contribs) 01:49, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Milos23067

This user is well-known to us that Milos has 33 accounts that are locked and blocked at several Misplaced Pages. Warning his previous account was Milosczv2222. Greeting! --Kolega2357 (talk) 14:57, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Ekren

Ekren (talk · contribs) is back. Instead of taking some time to work manually and show that he can get it right, he simply stopped editing until two days ago, when he re-started Twinkling as fast and furiously as ever. See User talk:Ekren#Blocked again and Electric catfish's comments just above. Any ideas about conditions for unblock? I should think at least a month of active patrolling without Twinkle (not simply time off) and satisfactory accuracy. I am not optimistic about this, but it would be good if we could harness all that energy. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 23:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

You keep stating i am spamming!!!!!!!

Can i inform you that i am not spamming or trying to advertise my book, as you stated, i am informing the people that as Libera have DVDs and CD's, we also have a Book, "The Journey" it is the only book in the world that explains the who story about Libera, and is totally relevant to the "Libera music" page, and every time i use my time to help inform people on here i feel it is a complete waste of my time and effort, as you keep on deleting anything about the book ???, i also run a website for Libera and if you keep stopping me from letting people know about the Libera book i shall inform them all around the world that Misplaced Pages will only allow some information about a few subjects but not all subjects will have all the reverent information especially about Libera, the people have a right to know about this book, and that it is out there, how am i suppose to inform people about the book if i can not even call it a book??? the book took over two year of hard work to create this history of Libera from 1970 to 2012, and you still insist on not allowing people to know about it, is it that Misplaced Pages is only for the few, and not everyone? i am not impressed.

Adrian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.48.45 (talk) 21:08, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Everything you say, including "the people have a right to know about this book, and that it is out there, how am i suppose to inform people about the book if i can not even call it a book" shows clearly that you are adding information about your book because you want your book to be better known, which means that you are attempting to use Misplaced Pages to promote your book, which is against Misplaced Pages policy. You are also quite right about the fact that Misplaced Pages allows information about only some subjects not all, as we require subjects to satisfy our notability guidelines before they are considered acceptable as the topics of articles. It is, unfortunately, a very common mistake to think that "anyone can edit Misplaced Pages" means "anyone can add anything they like to Misplaced Pages". However, I feel you are probably mistaken in thinking that Misplaced Pages "allow some information about a few subjects", as we have over four million articles, which I would not call "a few". JamesBWatson (talk) 06:55, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Adrian, it is a "complete waste of your time and effort" to promote your fan based work on Misplaced Pages. This online encyclopedia does not recognize your works to LIBERA as wp:notable, that is why you are constantly being reverted/deleted. The bottom line, is that your book is not a wp:reliable source, it is basically designed to increase the fan-base. Misplaced Pages rejects such wp:promo. Thanks,   — Jason Sosa 08:44, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

You can twist it as much as you like, the thousands of Libera fans around the world will now find out that Misplaced Pages is a complete waste of time, and i will tell them that Misplaced Pages is never worth even looking at and why, i think its time you got your head out of your backsides and seen the real world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.48.45 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a fan site, so what fans think is of little importance. Making personal attacks on editors you disagree with will not further your cause, either. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:42, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Nor does Misplaced Pages care about being popular. If you want, you can write a book about it. But first you should make sure you get a good editor to capitalize your "i"s since that's considered bad grammar.  — Jason Sosa 20:19, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk

Query about value + propriety of contribution

James, I need an eagle eye for this one. I'd like to enter into the list of rings for the finger the Jewish 5 metals ring Ring (jewellery), and have a photo that is safe to utilise without copyvio - my problem is knowing whether you think this cuts the mustard as an entry on that list. I have contributed heavily to the list itself, but now I've lost confidence. Will you look this over for me?

The intended entry will include this text and a copyvio-safe image of the ring (since it is an image taken of my personal ring, but this does not violate WP:OR):

Five Metals ring is suggested by the TALMUD in order to grant additional favors to the wearer. Five metals mined from the earth (gold, silver, copper, tin and lead) are to be joined but not alloyed into a ring. It can only be manufactured once a month, "when the moon is in Jupiter", over a five-hour period from 1 p.m. to 6 p.m. This has commonly taken the form of a sterling silver ring with tablets of gold, tin, lead and copper set into the bezel. The Talmud states, "Bear upon thee, and thou shalt see miracles." From the Talmud, Sefer Refuach Va Chaim (The Book of Spirit and Life)

ThanksDjathinkimacowboy 01:36, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Changes

Your email to me: Dear Srennipsurt,

The Misplaced Pages page "User talk:Srennipsurt" has been changed on 9 October 2012 by JamesBWatson, with the edit summary: /* October 2012 */ new section

See http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Srennipsurt&diff=next&oldid=453168752 to view this change. See http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Srennipsurt&diff=0&oldid=453168752 for all changes since your last visit. See http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Srennipsurt for the current revision.

To contact the editor, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/User:JamesBWatson

My reply. I do not know exactly what is going on here. I have have my Misplaced Pages page about my invention not only hacked and altered, but sections COMPLETELY deleted! NOW I am getting warnings from you! .......Ever since the end of my patent cases in the U.S.Federal Courts I was instructed to try and keep an accurate account on Misplaced Pages for further cases, and I did my best, but I have now turned it over to my publicist, as she and her team seem to know much more about it than I. She immediately noticed the vandalism that started back in June 2012 by a Celivd or something of that name, and this is not his only vandalism. They are also creating false Facebook accounts in my name and I have also had my identity now stolen according to some associate accounts. I am now preparing to file charges and get to the bottom of this. So PLEASE stop allowing strangers that know nothing about this invention or it's Federal documented cases to vandalize this Misplaced Pages page.

As for me, I am not self-promoting anything. I have a book out I authored that there has not been one word mentioned of. I have 100 other inventions in use in over 60 countries that there is no mention of. All that has ever been done on that Wheel Spinners page is to give an "accurate" account of the events that surrounded the wheels craze phenomena, with information of the one that invented it, ME, and an accurate account of how the entire apparatus became known to the masses and the results of all the well known legal actions that took place. As for American Tru-Spinners self-promoting, it does NOT even sell products! So if it does not SELL anything, how can it PROMOTE something / anything that it doesn't possess anything to sell?-! It has NO merchandise. It is THE company that has had the patent assigned to and was found to have 'legal standing' in the Federal Courts.

So could you please explain to me what it is that you need to have this page comply with the Misplaced Pages standards? And explain how it does not at this point. This would help tremendously. It would also help if you would block the strangers from vandalizing this page. I have tried to contact Misplaced Pages themselves and think that as blatant as this vandalism has been, there should not be any reason to involve more people than it should take for one guy hacking me, especially when he has zero standing or knowledge about any of this. I await your reply and thanks for your time here.

Best regards, James J.D. Gragg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srennipsurt (talk • contribs) 05:36, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I came across this issue from another route. As an uninvolved editor I'm afraid I have to agree with JamesBWatson on this. User:Srennipsurt must understand that once created, articles are not the property of their authors; Misplaced Pages is the encyclopedia anyone can edit as governed by the policy at Misplaced Pages:Ownership of articles.

Without a complete rewrite, the section Spinner (wheel)#Modern concept is wholly inappropriate for a Misplaced Pages article. Although technically possible, inline external links are disallowed. Links to some of the pages, such as social or business networking sites are further disallowed according to our policies at WP:Reliable sources, WP:Verifiability, and WP:External links. Furthermore, several of those links are clearly spam links (per Misplaced Pages:Spam) that serve to place focus on the identity and work of James J.D. Gragg whose Misplaced Pages autobiography, James (J.D.) Gragg has already been deleted according to policy at section WP:G11 (Unambiguous advertising or promotion).

Where Gragg has identified himself as User talk:Srennipsurt, as the creator of these and other deleted articles, where I might assume good faith that the user may not be aware of our policies I do interpret parts of these pages and external links as vehicles for promotion. A major policy governing the creation and/or editing of pages by the subjects themselves or persons closely connected with them is explained in full at Conflicts of Interest, and in this respect I have issued a warning to User talk:Heather Ussery, and Ussery has also been warned for making legal threats per our policy at WP:NLT.

I will defer back to JamesBWatson to pronounce on what action should be taken based on the edits and comments of Mr Gragg . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:32, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry this reponse has been rather slow in coming. I did, in fact, start writing a fairly detailed answer yesterday, but I got called awy from the computer before I had time to finish it and post it.

• Thank you, Kudpung. I shall add a few comments of my own, which I hope will help to clarify things for James Gragg.

I'm afraid, Mr Gragg, you have misunderstood the nature of Misplaced Pages, in several ways. The kind of misunderstanding involved is, unfortunately, quite common: a lot of people think that "anyone can edit Misplaced Pages" means that anyone can use Misplaced Pages for their own purposes.

1. You say that the article has been altered, and some sections have been deleted. You refer to other editors' editing which you don't like as "vandalizing" the article, and you asked for "strangers" to be prevented from editing the article. All this indicates a fundamental misunderstanding about Misplaced Pages. A Misplaced Pages article is not the property of a person or organisation that the article is about, nor is it the property of any editor who has contributed to writing it. You have no right to dictate the contents of an article and to forbid others from editing it. Misplaced Pages is a collaborative project. We have guidelines and policies about what can be included, and when there are reasonable disagreements about how to apply them, the issue is settled by discussion and attempting to reach consensus, not by an individual who thinks he/she knows better than anyone else announcing that anyone who disagrees is a vandal and must be stopped.
2. Far from your having special rights over content that relates to you, Misplaced Pages's conflict of interest guideline strongly discourages you, or anyone working with or for you, from editing on the subject at all. Misplaced Pages articles are meant to be written from an impartial, third party, point of view, not from the point of view of an involved party.
3. You say that you were "instructed to try and keep an accurate account on Misplaced Pages for further cases". You don't say who instructed you to do so, but I'm afraid whoever it was did not understand the nature of Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages is not a free web host for you to store content for your own use unrelated to building the encyclopaedia, such as a database of information for you to use in legal cases. There are plenty of web sites where you can store such material, but Misplaced Pages is not one of them.
4. You say "As for American Tru-Spinners self-promoting, it does NOT even sell products! So if it does not SELL anything, how can it PROMOTE something / anything that it doesn't possess anything to sell?" This is a very common misunderstanding of the word "promotion". I have never been able to figure out why, but many people assume that "promotion" can refer only to commercial promotion for monetary gain. However, Misplaced Pages policy is that Misplaced Pages is not to be used for any kind of promotion, commercial or otherwise. Thus, for example, promoting a religion, or a political view, is not permitted, or promoting a person by telling us how wonderful their achievemnts are, or promoting a person's claim in a dispute with others, or, indeed, any kind of promotion, is unacceptable. JamesBWatson (talk) 07:35, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

• By the way, for clarity, I have never sent you an email. You must have your preferences set to automatically email you when your talk page is edited, and the email you refer to will be such an automatically posted one. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:24, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Wheel Spinners

So I am lead to believe that my subject Mr. Gragg, of whom I have never personally met and have only been his ebooks and app publicist, is to sit back and allow his bio and invention entire sections to be repeated deleted and thrown by the wayside as you continually allow people to come in and vandalize the Misplaced Pages page about his invention, that by the way, created an entire industry of free-spinning-spinners in the new millennium no less! This is the inaccuracy you are wanting? Is this how you handle these things? I might be wasting my time here with you, as the new changes I have seen was written by someone that thinks that "Knock-Off" spinners were "hubcaps" and optional in the early years! And further thinks that "hubcaps" were "spinners". So as you make these errors, you are attempting to delete the actually one that invented the free-spinning-spinners and yet allow this vandalism but threat Mr. Gragg because of his frustration! On a side note, there were no legal threats made towards you whatsoever! I was explaining that Mr. Gragg in going through and identity theft issue and he has worked with the FBI before for years attempting to stop the illegal pirating in the United States, which is also quite a task that has drawn much attention, and intends to find out who is doing this along with the cyber-attacks on his reputation. Please get back to me about your decisions. Thank you ~~Heather~~ PS: And whomever has written the wheel spinners correction actually "thinks" The Spinners singing group was named after a "hubcap"???You are kidding????

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heather Ussery (talk • contribs) 09:26, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

With all due respect, Ms Ussery, there is very little that can be done until you have read my post above, and followed the links to the various policies. If there is anything you don't understand, either JamesBwatson or I will be happy to explain. . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:20, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Much of what you say is covered by my reply to James Gragg above, which I suggest you read. Like him, you seem, unfortunately, to have mistaken the nature of Misplaced Pages in some ways. There are a few further points in your message, which are not covered above, so I will comment on them here.

1. If the "entire industry of free-spinning-spinners" is really significant, then there will exist substantial coverage in independent reliable sources, and on the basis of them, it will be possible to write about them. The insistence that content be based on such reliable sources is not just a whim, but is necessary. Unfortunately, in a web site which anyone can edit, it is inevitable, as you can no doubt well imagine, that we get enormous amounts of unsuitable and unreliable claims posted, for various reasons, including childish vandalism, good faith but mistaken beliefs, attempts to abuse Misplaced Pages by using it to promote one side in an external dispute, and many other reasons. It is only by requiring that content be based on neutral, third party, reliable sources, that we can seek to exclude such unhelpful content.
2. Such a significant "entire industry" will almost certainly attract the attention of some outsider, who will be able to write a neutral, third party account, without giving any impression of promotion or serving their self interest. The account will also benefit from the fact that its content will not be influenced by considerations extraneous to writing an encyclopaedia article, such as the desire to keep a record of legal background, of importance to an involved person, but of little if any interest or relevance to the general reader. It will therefore be unnecessary, as well as highly undesirable, for an account to be written by a person seeking to write an account serving the personal purposes of an involved person.
3. You dismiss, indeed I may say ridicule, the fact that someone 'thinks that "Knock-Off" spinners were "hubcaps".' A Google search produced numerous pages that link the terms together, of which here is a very small sample: . It is, therefore, not unreasonable that someone could be under that impression. If you know better, then perhaps you could explain courteously to the editor in question why they are mistaken, and suggest to them possible improvements to their writing, rather than dismiss their good-faith attempts to contribute as "vandalism".
4. You likewise ridicule the notion that "whomever has written the wheel spinners correction actually thinks The Spinners singing group was named after a hubcap". There are numerous sources that state this to be the case, such as this one, which says "The group borrows their name from the Spinners hubcap". If you have good evidence that such sources are all mistaken, then please present your evidence, and we can consider editing the article accordingly.
5. I know nothing about any "legal threat". Perhaps you would like to take that up with the editor who suggested there was one. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:19, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

See the article's history for the legal threat at one of the editors. I think this is just about wrapped up now, thanks for cleaning the section up James. I don't think we'll be hearing much more from Mr Gragg and Ms Ussery who are possibly editing from the same building. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:16, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I see it now, in this edit summary. About as clear a legal threat as I can imagine. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:25, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is a total waste of time

Misplaced Pages is a total waste of time and my readers will soon find that out as well, you try to call yourself a Encyclopedia ha ha ha ha!! i think it is time you woke up and seen reality, because your poor readers will get less i promise you that, when i have told everyone how you pretend to be what you are not, and that is not an Encyclopedia, people will understand you do not tell everything about any subject, just what you want people to know and that is it. good bye you sad people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.48.45 (talk) 19:48, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure what your purpose is in keeping on plugging the fact that you will tell others that Misplaced Pages is a waste of time. If, however, you think that doing so will be a great novel revelation, you should perhaps be aware that there are a good many people who have been thwarted in their attempts to abuse Misplaced Pages in one way or another, and have gone off in a huff and posted stuff on the internet about how evil Misplaced Pages is. In fact, there are whole web sites which exist for the sole purpose of letting such disgruntled people tell one another how dreadful Misplaced Pages is. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:59, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Goodbye Adrian Jeens, may you be successful in your positive endeavors.   — Jason Sosa 22:57, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey

Since your an admin Im am here to report IllaZilla (talk) because he is constantly warring and blanking pages. Such as Tune In, Tokyo..., International Supervideos! and a few others I gave him multiple warnings and even tried to mix ours ideas with his to prevent warring but even then he keeps reverting my changes and tries to force his work to get through over mine. BlackDragon 21:34, 10 October 2012 (UTC) Once again i have warned to stop blanking pages and he keeps removing the warning tag on his page BlackDragon 22:13, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

FYI, this dispute concerns 3 article: International Superhits!, International Supervideos!, and Tune In, Tokyo.... That latter 2 were redirected (in 2011 and 2010, respectively), and Black60dragon recently un-redirected them. I reverted, hence the accusation of "blanking pages". I did so because his changes did not address the reasons the articles were redirected in the first place, which in a nutshell is WP:NALBUMS. I was not the original redirector of either article. I have taken Tune In, Tokyo... to AfD since I strongly believe it does not pass NALBUMS. As for International Superhits!, while Black60dragon has been busy leaving me templated warnings I have taken that article from Start class to B, and intent to keep expanding it. --IllaZilla (talk) 22:36, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

• I find it striking that Black60dragon (who signs "BlackDragon") says that IllaZilla "keeps removing the warning tag on his page", and yet Black60dragon has himself/herself recently removed numerous warnings from his/her talk page. I also see that Black60dragon has given warnings for edit warring, where he/she is as much involved as anyone. IllaZilla has given cogent reasons, based on Misplaced Pages's guidelines and expressed courteously, to justify his edits. Meanwhile, Black60dragon's reasons amount to little more than "I think it should be this way", and sometimes his/her messages have been somewhat aggressive in tone. We also have here a rather unconstructive looking edit summary. (What a pity that it was too long, so we will probably never know what it was intended to say about "being man".) You may both think it worth pursuing dispute resolution, but I suggest that Black60dragon may be well advised to read WP:BOOMERANG. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

First I can sign my name however I want it doesnt make a difference and I removed them after i was banned the first time and a second time well after they were their to clean it up slightly and I didnt remove it right when its was put as he did again i stopped warring and tried to find a mid point where as he didnt. And last time when both were at fault I was the one punished. I didnt just say that and he keeps blanking pages such as those I stopped making Vidos! page but he still just blanked Tokyo before i told him he had to do a deletion for it. And that one was said right after I was editing a talk page to add a category when i thought I was editing the Tokyo... talk page but was instead BBBPP and before i realized it was I accidently hit save instead of preview and was in the middle of changing it when he instantly reverted it. So he seems to constantly look at what pages I post just to revert them. Doesnt it seem like that? And once again he blanked Tune In Tokyo even though it was supported by numerous sources that are reliable, such as VH1 and ArtistDirect and the members and production were from the booklet inside. And even though it was he blanked it because I made it even though other Pages by green day have no refs whatsoever. that is my complaint.BlackDragon 17:42, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Spinner

FYI: User talk:CZmarlin#Spinner (wheel). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:26, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Can you help me?

Greetings JamesBWatson

I appreciate your wish for anonymity but would prefer to correspond with the real you, as I am not writing under a nom de plume.

Can you help me? You have removed our post Recycling Times Media Corporation. I believe it is a notable organisation given it runs the largest consumables trade show on the planet (which can be verified by other sources), broadcasts the only imaging news in a weekly 7 minute bulletin, has just opened the first digital printing show in China.

I worked with my staff to remove any and all adjectives which might make the article appear to be promotional. We simply wanted to put the facts there.

Can you please advise me as to how we can record these historical and true facts, together with other related news developments.

Many thanks

David Gibbons 103.6.144.218 (talk) 04:18, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

1. Since you evidently have a conflict of interest, you should not be trying to create an article on this subject. If the subject is truly notable then no doubt some impartial third party editor will create an article about it.
2. Nothing in either version of the article even remotely began to indicate that the subject satisfied Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines. However, sometimes this is the case for a truly notable subject, because the article was written by a user who does not understand what sort of evidence of notability is required, so I have searched for information myself. What I saw was massive amounts of coverage in web sites owned by or affiliated to the business, business listing sites, promotional sites, etc etc, but nothing that could be regarded as coverage in reliable independent sources. This encourages me to believe that the subject probably does not satisfy the notability guidelines. In fact, what I saw looked exactly like what one sees for a business with a very large campaign to promote itself everywhere it can. That is fine, but Misplaced Pages cannot be part of that process.

JamesBWatson (talk) 09:20, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Some comic relief for you?

In light of your user page remarks, I would be quite happy calling you "Watson" henceforth. I promise not to exclaim "Elementary!" There's little point in asking you to address me as Mycroft.© Djathinkimacowboy 04:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Why not, Mycroft? I will try to remember to do so, though please forgive me if and when I forget. After all, in the books "that I wrote", I managed to even forget my own first name. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:04, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

So you did, so you did, and in fact forgot my correct heritage as well. In any case I thank you!~©Djathinkimacowboy 18:40, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I am being accused of something at WP AE

Hello JamesBWatson,

There is a user from a neighborhood country of mine who appears to hanker after having me blocked. This is a rather confused report. However, at

4. Conditional unblock for edit warring and because Nmate removed data of users that were not confirmed socks yet.

It was when you blocked me on the grounds that I reverted edits made to Misplaced Pages by a sockpuppet of Iaaasi. That is why I would like you to comment on this.--Nmate (talk) 07:33, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I have read through the case at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement that you refer to, and also many of the diffs presented there. My impression is that the whole thing is a typical example of what happens when we get infantile nationalists of different ethnic backgrounds battling against one another, each being totally blind to logic. (I say "infantile nationalists" because, in my opinion, all nationalism, of whatever kind, is infantile.) The case is a complex one, and it would take an enormous amount of time and effort to sort my way through such a morass. I don't think helping adult people sort out their childish quarrels is worth spending so much of my time on. My advice is "Forget the whole thing. Walk away from it, and find something more productive to do with your time than quarrelling over ethnicity issues." Moreover, I fully intend to take that advice myself. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:00, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I wish I was able to take your advice. However, it was not me who submitted the report; I am reported there. These types of reports may result in me being blocked that is the reason why I feel the need to defend myself there. In addition, this user already contributed in a succesfull block-shopping aimed at me last year, and I couldn't appeal it, because the appealing system does not work in Misplaced Pages in an effective way. (See: 13:30 4 October, 2011,00:07 5 October, 2011)

Most of the diffs of which have been brought up against me do not involve the reporter in any way. The reporter of this recent RFA has been watching all of my contributions to Misplaced Pages to pick a quarrel with for block shopping purposes. This user has a long history of weird obsession with myself. For example, the reporter is making demands for admin actions against me for some kind of purporated personal attacks when the users in question against whom I allegedly made personal attacks the reporter has never ever interacted with on Misplaced Pages. Also, this user is accusing me of some kind of misty bad faith acting towards 3 users he has never ever interacted with on Misplaced Pages. So that I can't avoid this user unless I quit editing Misplaced Pages. Without being watched by this user, I can neither edit articles in Misplaced Pages ,nor interact with other users, I can't make myself independent from the circumstances I get involved in.--Nmate (talk) 11:46, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, whether you are able to "take my advice" or not, I still intend to take it myself. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:52, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

your recent ip blocking

Geocraze (talk) 13:07, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

User:Geocraze/User:Nkarthik mnnit

I wondered that too, but something else puzzles me. I couldn't see a block on the IP, and I'd blocked User:Nkarthik mnnit back in July, so any autoblocks should have well expired anyway - and the IP has been active since then. Any ideas what's happening? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:10, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I too used to be puzzled by this sort of situation. However, eventually I found out that, if a blocked user comes back and tries to edit, the autoblock is re-started, even if it had been defunct for several years. That is what I was referring to when I wrote "the same IP address that he/she had attempted to edit from only a very short time before". The autoblock is dated 09:10, 11 October 2012, and so that must be when Nkarthik mnnit tried to edit, and clearly Geocraze then tried to edit from the same IP address. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:16, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Ah, that's interesting to know, thanks. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:27, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

UR A CUTE DINNER :)

Real, Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GuySmiley101 (talk • contribs) 18:12, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

how to change a snooker event from one section to another after talkpage deadlock

hi james i am writing to you for info on how to change the Premier League 2011 Snooker event from a variant event to a non ranking event.a user who i know on here wants to change the event as he believes it is in the wrong section.he was told by armbrust to start a snooker talkpage which he did.he was told by armbrust if the majority of people wanted to change the event it would be ok.the majority wanted to change only two people did not.then armbrust said he had no evidence to change the event.my friend has painstakinly contacted World Snooker and respected snooker statistician David Hendon who provides stats for bbc and eurosport both sent him emails saying the event was still non ranking instead of variant which armbrust claims.when armbrust was told about the emails and the evidence we all finally needed to put this to bed.he did not want to hear about it.i get the impression he will not listen to reason as he just does not want to change this event.the evidence is there but now we have deadlock.what can i do to change this regards shane — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.81.127.21 (talk) 14:24, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Messsage

Sorry i didnt realise i had to put in a source — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattninja (talk • contribs) 19:57, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Test Page

Since you deleted Smallia, do you think this has enough sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MicronationKing (talk • contribs) 20:10, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I deleted Smallia because it was a redirect to a non-existent page. As far as I remember I had never even seen the content of the deleted page it had once redirected to, so I don't see I am any more relevant than anyone else. However, since you ask, the number of sources is irrelevant: what matters is their quality. None of them is a reliable source. Misplaced Pages does not exist for people to publicise their games, fantasies, or made-up "micronations" that have no significance or notability. I suggest that you use a free webspace provider or a social network site to write about your imaginary kingdom, as Misplaced Pages is not the place to do so, and anything you write about it is likely to be deleted, no matter how many "sources" you waste you time creating and linking in to your Misplaced Pages page. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:21, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry

It was not intended to be a talkback, sorry MicronationKing (talk)

"Talkback" is used on Misplaced Pages to mean refer to a message on a user's talk page, telling them to look back at another user's talk page to read an answer to a message they had posted. So what I meant by "talkback" was "hey, come back to my talk page to read my answer to your message". Sorry I didn't make that clear. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:41, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Micronations

I don't think all micronations are fake, First thing, I didn't create Smallia (the micronation) nor make the sources.. Last time I forget to add the sources. I mean how many sources does my page need? MicronationKing (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:43, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

A piece of AfD advice

Regarding Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Asianet Pakistan, you mentioned that you searched with Google search engine. However, as mentioned at Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion#Nominating_article.28s.29_for_deletion section D, the best place to search for sources is Google News, Google News archives and Google Books. If the nomination is for an academic, you should search with Google Scholar. Google main search engine will rarely provide significant results but rather primary sources, social networking profiles, etc. Cheers! SwisterTwister talk 21:01, 11 October 2012 (UTC)