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Sorry to see long-term editors lying and accusing other long-term editors of false edits. But don't forget, I will get to every FLC and I will reply to comments I made on them. No need to hit me with "talkback" templates. If you're feeling particularly WP:BOLD, leave me a message here and update my to-do list!

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I hate to give other people any sort of advice, but I think your comments on Alan Liefting's talk page are probably not going to convince him soon if they haven't already. It might be worth considering just letting it go for now. I'm an uninvolved admin who separately left a note on his talk page about the "vandalism" thing. If anything else happens, you can always leave a note on my talk page and I will look into it. I don't want to get into a long discussion, I'm just commenting here to try to calm things a little. — Carl (CBM · talk) 19:38, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Liefting has no idea how to deal with other editors. He has a crusade, some kind of personal agenda he's following. What I object to the most is people who defend his behaviour when it comes to upsetting and losing new editors. I had to explain his behaviour to somebody last night and today they thanked me for me help and suggested Alan should change his attitude. Hammersoft is a Liefting apologist, most of my comments have tried to address the various issues. Calm is all very well but Liefting has been blocked for precisely this kind of misuse of Misplaced Pages in the past, currently he'll be inline for an indefinite block, and I wouldn't be surprised if a topic/site ban follows. I'm very calm, I do many other things here. Forgive me, I'm not sure we've ever conversed, but my interest lies in enriching the best articles and lists we have, not just tacitly destroying new editors' work. Thanks for your note though. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:43, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Hammersoft has made a wikicareer out of trying to defend editors who don't play well with others, such as Delta before he got blocked. Regardless of the merits of the underlying content issues, the biggest problems with these editors have been an inability or unwillingness to explain themselves or respond to complaints, and his persistent interventions on their behalf defending their actions keeps them from having to improve on this and actually learn how to understand and respect consensus. postdlf (talk) 13:47, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I quite agree. I'm afraid I simply won't sit around and watch an editor with over 100k edits and years of experience here snappishly bite new editors and, in Liefting's own words, disrupt Misplaced Pages to prove a point. I guess some people are happy to overlook a block log showing up three blocks for this kind of thing in the last six months. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:50, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Worse now seeing Hammersoft making false accusations against me on Liefting's talk page, and then refusing to remove such lies despite request. Amazing. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:46, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Templeton

There are sources in each article. I can do it.--94.65.35.192 (talk) 20:16, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Fine, you need to provide reliable sources for each and every claim of religious affiliation. Frankly, I would suggest (a) it's not worth it and (b) not relevant to the article. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:17, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, come on! It surely is relevant. If you want, you may initiate a debate at the talk page after I've done. And, anyway, I always thought that copy-paste is really fun.--94.65.35.192 (talk) 20:19, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure, bring the debate to the talkpage along with multiple reliable sources that attempt to establish the religion of the award recipients. You should do that before your addition of WP:BLP material. As for copy-paste, see WP:COPYVIO. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:21, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

What I meant was to copy tha sources from each individual article and then paste them at Templeton, silly.--94.65.35.192 (talk) 20:28, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Well make sure each and every source is reliable, and post it on the article talk page and we can move on from there. You should seek some consensus to start including people's religion. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but there is another little problem: as I know from my[REDACTED] experience, no one looks at talk pages of not really basic articles. For example, Templeton Prize's talk page had not been edited since 2010. How are going to reach a consensus with no one to discuss it?--94.65.35.192 (talk) 20:36, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Take it to relevant wikiprojects, notify the main contributors. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:38, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance, wether or not it was a bit... nervous ;)--94.65.35.192 (talk) 20:39, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Don't be nervous, be bold, but go with care and particularly with biographies of living people, for which we have WP:BLP. The Foundation needs to take special care on this sort of thing. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Something else, do we need sources for things that are considered general knowledge/truths such as: "The Pope is catholic", "Water boils at 100 C" or "Barack Obama is the US President"?--94.65.35.192 (talk) 20:53, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

See WP:BLP. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:38, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Is water a living person? Why don't you give a straight answer?--94.65.35.192 (talk) 11:11, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

No, water is not a living person, why would you think it was? And see WP:BLP, it's where you learn what you need to do to ensure claims made in biographies are referenced adequately. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:20, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Interesting revert

Rambling Man your revert on Malleus's page was an interesting revert. I understand your reasoning, however, NPA / Civility applies even on user pages. Secondly, telling someone to "blow" is not at all civil. That's why I removed it. That in mind, I'm puzzled that you think it's appropriate simply because it's his page.  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  20:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)