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Starting translation from Spanish wikipedia
--Ajrs 22:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Expanding
Like Kingdom of Castille, it would be good to see anyone who is proficient in Spanish to take up this one. Orchid Righteous 17:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I have translated the first couple of sections from the Spanish original so that there was more detailed information, please feel free to correct any translation errors - there shouldn't be as its not too hard, I didn't attempt to translate the old Castillian language quotes though! I'm not sure that the section on universities is correctly titled as the universities seem more like a side note that a causal factor! What does anybody think? Jonny1047 16:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I've added an info box while translating as the Spanish one had loads of info in! not sure if its the right one, as in if there is one specifically for historical developments of countries, so I put in the former countries one for now! Anyone please change it if there is a better one! Also I can't get the arms of Castile and León to come up - I think coz they aren't set up as arms on their respective pages! Jonny1047 17:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Jim.henderson for improving the English in my translation, another set of eyes is always appreciated - when you read your own work its hard to spot the errors! Also sometimes its hard to get out of the mind set of the other language! Jonny1047 12:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Easy for me since my Spanish is rarely good enough to set my mind. I've also helped edit articles translated from Japanese, Russian and Turkish despite a complete ignorance of those languages. Maybe it will be a little easier with a language in which my ignorance is incomplete. Incidentally I noticed that in some cases you first presented a term in both languages and then only in translation. Quite right, and perhaps you should do a little more of that, for the benefit of readers with a slight knowledge of the original language. Oh, and there's no need for every year to have a link like 1506 since we don't need to know what was happening in Russia or Egypt that year. There's an official Misplaced Pages guideline against overlinking though at the moment I am failing to find it.
- Peripheral matter, Christopher Columbus has a link to Crown of Castillo which I suspect is a completely bogus article, but my subject knowledge is insufficient to embolden me to kill it. Can you encourage me, or tell I'm wrong? Jim.henderson 21:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about the over tagging of dates, I just linked everything that was linked in the Spanish version! on your point about Columbus, in the spanish wikipedia it says: "El título de Almirante en todas las tierras que descubriese o ganase en la mar Océana, con carácter hereditario y con el mismo rango que el Almirante de Castilla." basically that he became admiral of any territories he discovered and it is similar to the title of Admiral of Castile. I can't find any info on Castillo - it means castle so it wouldn't make sense for him to be admiral of Castle! Jonny1047 16:31, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
- English Misplaced Pages as far as I see makes a more serious attempt at universality or internationality than Spanish, German or other languages, so a date link in Spanish is more likely to find a fair concentration of relevant events. In English the list will be longer and have sparse relevance. Cristopher Columbus has fortunately lost its link to the probably bogus Crown of Castillo and maybe I'll do something about removing that article. Anyway thanks for continuing to translate, and I'll continue inserting my small style dabs. Jim.henderson 14:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'm finished translating, I'm sure the english could be better written but its understandable - I'll try and tidy it up at some point! So now that its done should we remove the in translation box? I didn't want to just do it so I thought I'd put it on here first! Also can we tag any pages like that as there are a few links on the spanish version with no english equivalent that I was thinking of creating and translating! The biggest is the Crown of Aragon - although there seems to be some confusion between the spanish versions for crown and kingdom of aragon so I'll have to do a bit of research and figure that out first! Jonny1047 12:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Too many "kingdoms"
The Crown of Castile began in 1230 indeed, it began with the union of the kingdom of Castile with her "father" kingdom of León. Period. In medieval Spain there are 4 and only 4 christian kingdoms: León, Castile, Aragón and Navarre. Period. Galicia was never a proper kingdom , she was part of the Kingdom of León, the title "kingdom" was but honorary.The reason for this "mistake" here is Galician nationalist movements. We all know any nationalism needs a history (be it real or not), so there are some people very active in the net (particularly here in Misplaced Pages) that have set out to re-write history to their convenience. And everyone who knows a bit of Spanish political reality knows how radical and fanatical this nationalist movements are, which is all all right for idealist people defending their nations to be, but history is history and wikipedia users shouldn't be victims of this political fanatism.Cornelius71 (talk) 15:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cornelius71 (talk • contribs) 15:38, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
- Yes I agree with you, Nationalisms are very fanatical and radical, and the most radical and fanatical is the Spanish nationalism, no doubt.--88.24.114.134 (talk) 16:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
- There was a Kingdom of Asturias that later became a part of Leon. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 19:35, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Population
I know from past reading that the figure of over 8.2 million in 1595 is incorrect, and applies to all of Spain, including Aragon, not just of Castile. From memory the actual figure for Castile was about 6 million but I don't have a reliable source.
abolishment date
The Crown of Castile was abolished in 1715. The Crown of Aragon was already abolished in 1707. The Council of Castile, not the crown, was abolished much later. This is what the sources say. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:20, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
This seems to be part of a campaign across multiple wikipedias, to introduce information that is not supported by sources. The information in English wikipedia was first added by Santos30. Santos30 was blocked in Spanish wikipedia because he was socking to generate false support for his ideas. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
discussion in Spanish wikipedia about Santos30 inserting unsourced information and propagating it to the English wikipedia. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:42, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Also, the Indies were not proper part of the Crown until after the death of Ferdinand the Catholic, when it was all unified as Spain. This means that this map is not an accurate portrait of the Crown of Castile. --Enric Naval (talk) 19:46, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
- The question is when Americas was a part of Castile. The question is not "when it was all unified as Spain". But give references of this date please.
- What sources say that the Crown of Castile was abolished in 1715?. References please.
- Americas were a part of Crown of Castile by first time in 1506. see references here You are mistaken.
- I revert you.
--Santos30 (talk) 23:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
- First of all, the abolition in 1812 is totally incorrect: the 1812 Cadiz constitution was revoked in 1814, and the Borbons had been calling themselves Spanish kings for decades. In the Spanish wikipedia you asked for a second opinion of an expert and you were told that you were wrong. Now you are pushing the same idea again in a different wikipedia.
- Second, in 1713 the Ultrech treaty was already signed between the Crown of Spain and the Crown of Portugal, the Crown of Castile had already disappeared. What remained was the kingdom of Castile and the title of king of Castile, but there was no longer a "Crown of Castile". This means that the date of 1715/1716 is also mistaken.
- Third, in 1516 Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor was already Charles I of Spain, the first king to unite Castile and Aragon under a single crown: the Spanish Crown. This book gives 1556, the crowning of Philip II of Spain as the definitive extinction of Castile in favor of the (Spanish) Crown (Castilla "dejó de existir").http://books.google.es/books?id=18pfdBXSpcoC&pg=PA142&dq=corona+de+espa%C3%B1a+castilla&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xdSJUJbWFYbP0QW4y4GgBQ&ved=0CFgQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=corona%20de%20espa%C3%B1a%20castilla&f=false in page 142. Looking at es:Monarquía Hispánica, every author gives a different date for the start of the Spanish Crown, and there are sources for all the different dates. This is going to be difficult to source. I don't think we can simply put a date in the infobox and say that this was the exact date when it ceased existing.
- Fourth, the Indies were personal property of the kings, they were not part of any Crown of Castile. Read your source carefully instead of quoting an isolated sentence:
- "(...) the Indies were conceived as forming part of a wider grouping which was known as the Spanish monarchy, the monarquía española. In this agglomeration of territories (...) most states were equal, but some were more equal than others. Castile came to enjoy an effective predominance in the monarchy, and from the beginning the Indies stood in a special relationship to Castile. Alexander's VI9s Inter Costera of 1493 vested the government and jurisdiction of the newly found lands, not in the kings of Spain but in the kings of Castile and León. Consquently, the Indies were to be regarded as the possession of Castile and to be governed, where appropriate, in accordance with the laws and institutions of Castile." (emphasis added)
- The Indies were part of the Spanish monarchy, not part of the Crown of Castile.
- Fifth, the title of "King of Castile" was carried by the bearers of the Spanish Crown. Indeed, the current bearer of the Spanish Crown Juan Carlos I of Spain is still king of Castile, Aragon, Navarra, etc. --Enric Naval (talk) 00:20, 26 October 2012 (UTC)