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references / deletion of Ansel Faraj

Hi Mrt3366! I have added references to the article Ansel Faraj so that it would not be deleted. What else must I do to save the article...? Thank you :) Gothicfilmhistorian (talk) 19:05, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

You've already much of the fine work sir. Good Job! Mr T 07:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Although it doesn't discount the fact that you've put in a nice effort, I think the sources you've provided are not secondary reliable sources. The thing is we need multiple independent reliable sources which talk of the subject in detail and not just trivial mentions. Can you cite some of those? That would be great. Mr T 07:40, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Mike, I will try to find more independent sources. How long do I have before the article goes for deletion?

Gothicfilmhistorian (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:33, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I can't say if you have much time. However, as of now it's not nominated for deletion, it will be soon if you don't cite reliable third party sources to establish general notability. I asked in another page about the sources you've used and along other things what the reply contained was

I can see no way that any of these sources can be cited to establish that Faraj meets the notability requirements as laid down in WP:CREATIVE. We'd need evidence from reputable independent third-party sources that Faraj has "created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work", "is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors", or otherwise meets the notability requirements.

——AndyTheGrump. Mr T 07:19, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

BTW, seeing that this article may not meet the standards of requirement, I have nominated the article for deletion (← this is the link). You've some time don't panic. BUT comment on the page as soon as you can, that will raise the chances of your article being saved. Thank you. Mr T 07:46, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Advice Taken

Hi Mike, thanks for the advice to add source and citation to verify content. I have already done so. Actually, I'd intended to add them after drafting content and checking with source but you have beat me to it. Hope it's okay now - new at edit, still learning.

HVK article

Hi Mike This is regarding the decline of the article regarding HVK (en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/H._V._Kumar) Please let me know what needs to be changed because I've provided references of all credible & reliable resource to support his credibility.

Thanks RG Aarganesh (talk) 13:03, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I think you need to get familiar with the definition of reliable sources. For example, you used user-generated cites like Linkedin, Facebook (and at one point even Misplaced Pages itself) as references but they are not considered secondary reliable sources. Mr T 14:01, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Anyone can create a personal web page and then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources. Facebook, Misplaced Pages fall under the same category I'm afraid! Mr T 14:07, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Sir Did you have a chance to see the other links provided at the end? Please let me know if you're still not convinced with the credibility of the following articles, then I can scan few of the pages from real printed magazine & can send them across.

1. http://gulftoday.ae/portal/ccebff5a-dcee-4408-a7d0-37230fc88e3c.aspx
2. http://www.namadhunambikkai.com/2011/10/01/1875/
3. http://motoroids.com/features/motoroids-break-the-limca-record-for-fastest-gq-drive/
4. http://motoroids.com/features/one-india-one-drive-by-motoroids/
5. http://www.carindia.in/features/new-features/815-this-aint-about-the-money-h?start=1
6. http://www.carindia.in/features/38-other-resources/769-tax-on-highways-takes-its-toll-on-users
7. http://www.eclecticmag.com/view_ne_travel_article.php?&per_id=33
8. http://www.asianage.com/mumbai/highway-hell-276
9. http://www.mathrubhumi.com/yathra/travel_blog/pilgrimage/article/150398/index.html
10. http://www.interpv.net/market/market_view.asp?idx=96&part_code=05&page=1
11. http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/library/technical-articles/generation/solar/renewableenergyworld.com/indian-solar-loan-program-offers-access-to-light/index.shtml
12. http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2008/08/indian-solar-loan-program-offers-access-to-light-53274
13. http://www.scidev.net/en/news/indian-loan-project-gives-solar-energy-to-rural-po.html
14. http://www.unescap.org/esd/bazaar/

Thanks Aarganesh (talk) 14:23, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I saw them. And few of those I think are reliable and contain mentionable material. But there are other issues. Even if you have some reliable sources available, you cannot just publish data based on original research in any article and that won't bode well for the future of the submission.

However, I think I owe you a clearer answer. Here some of the issues which caught my eye:

1. Too many unreferenced assertions. There are section after section filled with such content. See WP:BLPSOURCES.
2. Use of unreliable sources to such an extent where reliable sources become virtually indistinguishable.
3. Not a clear indication of why the subject might be notable.
4. Last but by no means the least, too much focus on what the subject himself has said/written rather than what has been written about him by independent sources.

Get rid of these issues first and we might have a fine article. This (no. 9) source says it's a blog. We don't generally accept blogs as reliable sources even if one can vouch for their credibility. Thank you. Mr T 14:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Superb; I value your time & your suggestions; will do as you say

Ciao RG Aarganesh (talk) 14:41, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

AWB access request

You recently requested access to AutoWikiBrowser, however you've already had access for two months, see . Snowolf 12:33, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I have decided to revoke your AWB access given you have claimed not so long ago that your edits thru automated tools are not your responsability but the tool's developer's. Snowolf 12:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Sir, I don't understand, why did you revoke my access when I have not got a chance to even use it? And for your kind information, I never claimed any such thing as my edits through automated tools are not my responsibility. I think you're referring to this discussion on my talk page. Where a novice editor asked me to modify the "automated response" (automated warning messages of Stiki, not to be confused with automated edit summary) in such a way that it mentions that it's automated. In that context I merely responded, "I have not created those messages nor did I build that software, so I am really the wrong person to complain to."

I didn't say I do not take responsibility. I take responsibility for the message but if someone asks me to change the wording of twinkle warnings or Stiki warnings that I do not know how to do. Hence I wrote that I am not the guy one should be complaining to about the wording of the warning messages. Please do not take this too far. I am not a vandal or a disruptive user. I am trustworthy enough to be bestowed with such access and I know what I am doing. Please restore the access. Thank you. Mr T 13:24, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I do hereby solemnly swear to take full responsibility for the tool. And the thing is, I never said or meant that I do not take responsibility. I in fact do take responsibility for anything that comes with the tool. However, if someone asks me to change/modify the coding of the tool itself, then that I cannot do as I don't know how. Modifying the tools (e.g. STiki, Twinkle, AWB, etc) themselves is just not within the purview of my knowledge. Hence I wrote that I am not the guy one should be complaining to about the automated/default wording of the warning messages (this is different from edit summary which can be and has been customized in STiki). There has been an unfortunate misunderstanding.

I concede, I should have been more precise while saying these things in that other thread. I am sorry for all the confusion it caused. Now, please restore the access and also I didn't abuse the tool and I have never even used it since I didn't know that I had access to it. Mr T 08:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

The wording's automated nature hardly matters. What you post thru STiki, AWB or Huggle is entirely your problem, the automated nature of the message is irrelevant, and if somebody has an issue with your usage of a certain edit summary or warning or whatever, pointing to the tool's developer and saying "go complain to him" is not a valid reply. And yes, if people have concerns about what your edit summaries or warnings or whatever, you don't point them to the tool's developer, you stop using the tool, then you go yourself to the tool's developer and say "I got problem X", hope he fixes and use make manual edits in the meantime. I remain unconvinced that continued access to automated tools when in the last couple of weeks several people have raised issues with your use of another automated tool and all they got out of you is that you have no idea how to fix it and will keep going on the same is wise, let alone that access to additional automated tools be granted. Snowolf 12:17, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

What you post thru STiki, AWB or Huggle is entirely your problem - of course it is, when did I disagree?

the automated nature of the message is irrelevant - irrelevant? Okay. Then tell me if someone requested me to change the color of the default font of the automated warning (in such a way that the warning will every time display such font color) or something that is not by default accessible to the tool-user, what should I say to the requester? Should I not inform that it is not something I can do? What don't you get this simple fact. Had that editor asked me to simply change that very message on his talk, I would have gladly helped. But he was asking for something completely different that will need knowledge which I do not possess. What do you expect me to say?

and if somebody has an issue with your usage of a certain edit summary or warning or whatever, pointing to the tool's developer and saying "go complain to him" is not a valid reply - I was not using that statement as an excuse I was simply informing him the nature of STiki. Again, I didn't say "go complain to him". I repeat, he didn't complain about the fact that I warned him. He, instead, asked me to change the warning itself. I, for better or for worse, didn't entertain such demand.

But anyway, I have already told you that I almost always do take and will take full responsibility from now on for any automated tool I use on wikipedia. That's only one time where I spoke out of turn and I regret that. Besides, whatever little confusion there might have been in my mind, is all dispersed now thanks to your cogent revelations. Now, what's the problem? Please restore the access. Now that you've informed me and I know how it works, this is not an issue anymore. There is no need to further keep the access away from me. Mr T 08:10, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

if people have concerns about what your edit summaries or warnings or whatever, you don't point them to the tool's developer, you stop using the tool - You're presuming it is always I who can be in the fault, why? If I, right here, raise concerns against your usage of administrative tools should you stop using them and go to the developer and ask them to fix the tool for you? This is getting silly. I, as a matter of fact, don't have any problem with any tool I use. On the other hand, if somebody else has problems with my editing they are invited to inform me and if that discussion fails they can report me. There you have the protocol.

You're yet again misinterpreting my statements. I like such tools, and like to notify users that I reverted their edit (if any). This gives them a chance to get back to me or improve their edits or re-add the deleted data with sources.

P.S. Although I am in no position to teach you anything still arbitrarily divesting somebody of the tool he never got the chance to even use, based on your inference or construal of others' inadvertent or rather accidental comments by making these slips/gaffes the nucleus of your attention to such an extent where you don't see anything else that the user did or said, is surely not the way veteran administrators like you are expected to work. Mr T 08:44, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Suzy Lee

I've declined your A9 on that because the band does have an article. A9 is only for recordings by artists with no article. Might be the way that things are displayed in Page Curation. I've had quite a lot of wrong tags come up since that thing came in. Peridon (talk) 14:39, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation display might have played a role in that but I, nevertheless, take full responsibility and promise to be more cautious from now on. Thank you for your comment. Mr T 08:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Royal Victoria Teaching Hospital

This article needs additional citations for verification and may contain original research. (November 2012)

You added 3-5 refs after I curated the page. Still if you want some content that lacks reference I might be able to help you with that. The following is without inline citation and seemingly based on original research:

It was originally built under British colonisation of Africa in 1853. The operation of Royal Victoria Hospital (RVH) was improved with the help of the Sisters of St. Joseph of Cluny in 1903.

The Hospital's name was extended to Royal Victoria Teaching Hospital in the late 1990's, since it became part of the newly founded faculty of medicine of the University of the Gambia and therefore includes the training of medical doctors and other medical professions. The first 15 Students started schooling in November 2002 at RVTH. The Hospital is further more participation in international research-studies concerning the fight against malaria and hepatitis.

Thank you. Mr T 08:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)