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Jews in the Roman Empire

Why are you interested in the subject? Crock8 (talk) 02:42, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

You could say that. But we're currently having a bit of a disagreement over there and we need some more people chiming in.Evildoer187 (talk) 11:05, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I see only one other editor participating in editing, the rest IPs, and nothing on the talk page Crock81 (talk) 11:02, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Categorizing Category:Jews

While Jews descend from Asians, one must go back over a thousand years. According to this logic, Hispanics should be part of Europeans, and Polynesians come from Southeast Asia. In fact, all people come from Africa, if you go back far enough. ypnypn (talk)

I don't think that analogy works. Hispanics are an indigenous Amerindian group with European influences thanks to colonialism. However, Jews are primarily a Semitic/Middle Eastern population centered in Israel, and dispersed throughout the world. That's why it's called the Jewish "diaspora".Evildoer187 (talk) 01:36, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I couldn't help noticing, and having a bit of a laugh. You may consult the work of Cavalli-Sforza on the subject, but I doubt you will convince any Jews they are 'Asian' :-) Classifying "Hispanics" is even more difficult. Polynesians coming from South East Asia is a theory last I heard, but maybe something new came up. Another theory is that they were refugees from "India" c.1,800 years ago.

That "all people come from Africa" is a really big statement to make considering that too is a theory.

Many anthropologists have a problem with using Semitic as a taxonomic term because it presupposes belief in the authenticity of the Torah :-) Thing is, I doubt the Jews care much. Most would just be happy to be called by their proper identifier, Yisrael, Levi or Kohen. Crock8 (talk) 06:44, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I must admit that my overly literal interpretation of things has left a great deal of people confused, if not outright @#!*% off. As another example, I would never classify an Afrikaner or Boer as African, as they are descendents of European colonists and are thus not truly native to Africa. I apply this same principle to Jews, who are by all accounts a diaspora population from ancient Israel, which is located in Asia, hence my classification of Jews as Asian.

In fact, the only people I know who try to frame Jews as a non-Semitic group are those who are looking for an excuse to kick Jews out of the Middle East. I refuse to conform to such bigoted and historically revisionist views in my editing.Evildoer187 (talk) 10:08, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I think you completely missed my point. "People of ___ descent" refers to a few generations back, not thousands of years. Jews left Judea en masse 2000+ years ago. My examples weren't meant to be taken so percisely. -- ypnypn (talk) 00:00, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Let's just agree to disagree. I don't want to get into this debate again.Evildoer187 (talk) 00:28, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Block talk

I dont want to see you get blocked from editing - just so you know there has been some talk about the fact a few have broken the one revert rule for the List of indigenous peoples article as it falls under {{Arab-Israeli Arbitration Enforcement}}. Best to talk over editing when it comes to articles like this. We are talking about the refs but oddly the 2 that are reverting each-other are not talking. Pls come to the talk page again.Moxy (talk) 17:34, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Revision as of 13:11, 7 December 2012 here

Revision as of 05:32, 8 December 2012 here

I made the same slip of two reverts within 24 hours, as Tritomex reminded me on my page, reverting me (properly) before I could myself do that. You or someone else on your behalf are obliged to revert as a sign of good faith.

As a further point of etiquette, deeply contentious edits should not be reposted, but rather discussed until the issues between disagreeing editors are sorted out collegially on the talk page. This WP:OR construction is seriously problematical, not only in my view, and therefore should not be continually reposted in the article space until full discussion takes place.Nishidani (talk) 11:11, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Users like you are the biggest problem of Misplaced Pages

Taking over articles, adding personal political or even racial opinions using "sources", removing anything you dislike like you're owning Misplaced Pages, refusing to understand what's wrong with your POV edits (and basically almost all your edits are POV), giving warnings to anyone you feel has a different opinion, adding fringe and minority opinions about serious subjects like race, heritage and ethnicity and making them look like "facts". Go ahead, delete this if you want. I'm not going to report you, I just hope that you'll learn what's wrong with your edits, or that more users will see this and our long discussions on my talk page and understand your problematic edits. Yuvn86 (talk) 16:10, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I won't delete this. I am confident enough in my edits to let them speak for themselves. You have me erroneously pegged as some sort of neo-Nazi type (even though I'm not even white) because I categorize Jews as a Semitic/Middle Eastern group, which is wholly grounded in fact and should not be problematic to anyone who isn't motivated by politics or racial insecurities.Evildoer187 (talk) 16:32, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

An example of what I mean: you sometimes add American Jewish categories to Asian American categories. And while I'm not an expert on these matters I'm pretty sure the only American Jews registered as Asian are Asian converts to Judaism... so don't you see a problem here with such edits? Or do you know better than the American Census? Yuvn86 (talk) 21:20, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I make my edits as literal and objective as possible. Nothing more, nothing less. I have explained my reasons to you time and again, and I have no desire to repeat myself for the umpteenth time.Evildoer187 (talk) 21:30, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Editing a closed AE

Evildoer, please undo the new material which you added to the WP:AE report after it was closed. It will confuse the recordkeeping there. You can make these statements at Talk:List of indigenous peoples. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 19:34, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

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Sholem Aleichem

I saw that you also mentioned few times on the talk page Sholem Aleichem should be in the image, I started a discussion on the topic. I don't see why he's not a part of the image! Guitar hero on the roof (talk) 13:26, 16 December 2012 (UTC)