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Thank you for great copy editing. My very best wishes (talk) 14:39, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure, no problem and I'll keep an eye on it as you keep working. Be sure to DYK it. Volunteer Marek  21:20, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Then it will need more work. Thanks, My very best wishes (talk) 23:00, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Yup

Persecution by Muslims, quite right, obviously intended to push a POV. I may get to it another time, but right now I don't have the time or the spoons to deal with that AfD, given Misplaced Pages's own Muslims Are Evil machine. Dealing with the deliberate ignoring of policy becomes very tiresome. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:56, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Just wanted to note that the article I tagged is Persecution by Muslims, not "of", though it looks like the other article might have some issues as well. Volunteer Marek  13:23, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Whoops. I meant the one you tagged, typo on my part. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:26, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean OR?

The reader that can see the clarication of the text. Or it is the truth which sombody does not like to be exposed? Please live this as it was without unnecessary editor war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.104.138.176 (talk) 04:40, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

FYI

Alfred Mechtersheimer. Definitely needs more work. He was described as a "maverick" by one political scientist and his politics are not easy to peg. Tijfo098 (talk) 21:03, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Sockpuppet accusations

If you think that I am someone else's sockpuppet account, I think the correct venue for bringing it up is WP:SPI. That way the discussion on the article talk page can stay focused on content. Zeromus1 (talk) 22:49, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Battle of Gniew/Mewe

What's your opinion on this battle? Was it a Swedish victory or inconclusive? According to ALL Swedish and English sources I could find it's a "significant Swedish victory". The reason I'm asking you for help is that this guy "89.231.29.36" claims it to have been inc according to Polish historian Radosław Sikora. Also, he ignores Swedish sources on Swedish casualties which I find to be the most accurate ones (since Sweden also held the field); sources become more reliable if one side actually got the time to count bodies etc.

I opened up the talk page on "battle of Gniew" if you would like to give your opinion there. Imonoz (talk) 11:26, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Generally speaking I really dislike these arguments about battle outcomes since for vast majority of battles it's essentially a judgement call. A lot of them are "inconclusive" for some semi-reasonable definition of "inconclusive". Here, looking over the sources you've assembled I think there's enough justification to call it a "Swedish victory". Volunteer Marek  20:28, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I answered your concern according to the Battle of Wenden (1626). There's a possible source in one of the links. I feel this article needs some numbers on strenght and a little information which I may be able to add if I know there's a reliable source somewhere. Imonoz (talk) 22:59, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Replied on talk there. It looks like three battles in more or less the same area. Volunteer Marek  00:46, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Polish- Soviet War

I don't quite understand why you undid my change. Polish- Soviet war was a fight for the very existance of Poland, not about Belarus and Ukraine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.49.28.175 (talk) 08:33, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, it was actually both. It started out as a fight over where the border between newly independent Poland and newly revolutionary Russia was going to be - i.e. about the territory of present day Ukraine and Belarus. But it did develop into a "fight for the very existence of Poland". Perhaps that sentence should be modified to include both aspects. Volunteer Marek  13:54, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

The 100 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal

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Thanks!  Volunteer Marek  21:35, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

For helping out with the Stanisław Żółkiewski GA review. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:52, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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I am surprised you haven't voiced your opinion there yet :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:49, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out. Right now I have very mixed feelings about the specific proposal. Volunteer Marek  18:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

You

Are obviously being goaded and are walking into a block with open arms. I have removed your claim of outing Please calm down and go have a nice cup of tea. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:27, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

If I'm being goaded, which is probably true, then shouldn't the goader be the one getting the block? I'm gonna drop it for now, and let things settle, but this is very obviously intentional WP:HARASSMENT. Volunteer Marek  19:30, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

As that user has now posted a link to an external website I have brought the issue to ANI. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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I saw a comment on AN that you had asked me not to use your former username back in March. Is that the case, and do you have a diff for it? If it's true, then I apologise profusely - I have absolutely no recollection of that request or the context in which you made it. Prioryman (talk) 19:02, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

The diffs are out there, I don't feel like looking for them right now. Anyway, apology accepted. Thanks. Volunteer Marek  19:08, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Fahrenheit

Hey, i would like to know why you deleted the words "Dutch German-born" in the article "Fahrenheit". The "Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit" article states that he was German, and that the "Britannica" says so. So why didn't you alter "Dutch German-born" to "German-born" or just "German", but deleted it all? Regards, David Hamburger90 (talk) 12:29, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at the talk page. Most sources actually call him "Dutch-Polish" rather than German. Some anon ip's been monkeying around with the info. Volunteer Marek  14:35, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes ok, it seems to be disputed. A good solution in such cases is mentioning the language: "a German-speaking physicist, engineer and glass blower born in Gdańsk (German: Danzig), which was then part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth" for the Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit article, and "German-speaking" for the Fahrenheit article. Do you want to insert that? Hamburger90 (talk) 14:48, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The thing is, the source actually given calls him "Polish-born Dutch", with no mention of any German speaking. Yes, there are other source which call him German but even there it's generally either "Polish born German" or even "Polish Dutch German". Going into explanations of where each one of those comes from is too much detail for the lede and borders on OR. Just stick with sources.

In the Fahrenheit article I would simply omit any mention of nationality since it doesn't matter. Volunteer Marek  17:28, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

But there are other informations on the page which say something else. Actually it would be better to write "German-speaking physicist born in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth". This gives more information and is more useful than "Dutch-German-Polish". And there is no reason not to include "German-speaking physicist" in the "Fahrenheit" article. The fact that he can apparently only be described as "Dutch-German-Polish" makes the usage of the expression "German-speaking" even more useful. By simply writing that he was a "German-speaking physicist born in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth", and later mentioning that he moved to the Netherlands this "Dutch-German-Polish" thing can be omited. Hamburger90 (talk) 21:28, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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Renaming your user essays

May I suggest moving User:Volunteer Marek/gt and User:Volunteer Marek/HnH to something that looks better in the category view in user essays? Also, why did you remove links to those from your userpage, it took me a while too find them again. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 17:52, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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Fractional reserve banking protection

Hi Volunteer Marek. This is just to let you know that I removed your request at WP:RFPP, as it was duplicating a request further down the page. I've semi-protected Fractional reserve banking for one week - hopefully that should take some of the burden off. Best — Mr. Stradivarius 13:48, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, I looked at Criticism of the Federal Reserve, but I don't think it really needs protecting yet. The disruption you describe is only being caused by one IP, so it would be better dealt with by a block than by page protection. Feel free to let me know if the situation changes though. — Mr. Stradivarius 14:10, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Gleiwitz

In your wholseale revision of my edit, you are re-attributing that Hitler, in his Sep 1 speech, stated that "at the same time as the Gleiwitz attack, there were other incidents orchestrated by Germany along the Polish-German border, such as house torching in the Polish Corridor and spurious propaganda output. The entire project, dubbed Operation Himmler and comprising 21 incidents in all." This is not factual, check his speech, so re-adding that cite to support those words about Op Himmler is problematic.

Clearer - attributing the fact that the attacks were orchestrated by the Germans and the fact that Operation Himmler comprised of twenty-one incidents to Hitlers speech is obviously invalid, either the cite should be removed, or the text couched differently.

I re-ordered the two other cites as that is the order they do confirm the text.

Further - I see now that the cite I moved for the 1st September speech (on the day of the invasion) is attributing the text "For months before the 1939 invasion..." - again it should be removed, or the text couched differently.

I quoted direct from the speech as nowhere in his speech does Hitler actually use the words "defensive" or state they are using defensive actions he states clearly that they are repaying (whether true or not) Polish actions, like for like and will continue to do so.

Further - Hitler continues, stating/propagandizing that bomb will be met with by bomb, gas for gas, "until the safety of the Reich and its rights are secured". The word "defensive" used in such a way is unscholarly (employing sarcasm): Hitler's aims at expanding the Reich are clear and stated in that very speech - as he sees it "restoring German sovereignty over German territories". Another solution would be to drop the word entirely and have instead of "as justification for Germany's "defensive" action against Poland" simply "as justification for Germany's invasion of Poland."

The article is very short, these sorts of clarifications are not problematic. FYI I was formerly an admin, with two FAs and some few DYK articles to my credit, and would appreciate more than a hand wave of "the paraphrase is perfectly fine. It says 21 incidents right there" to re-insert the above stated problems in your wish not to include an actual quote rather than any paraphrase.--86.6.187.246 (talk) 21:51, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I don't think having the entire quote from Hitler there is very useful - it's better to summarize it. If your objection is to the number 21, then I've removed it. Personally I do think the word "defensive" is implied in the quote but if it really bothers you then perhaps leaving it out would be ok. The fact that the attacks were orchestrated by the Germans is pretty solid though, right?  Volunteer Marek  01:21, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

More generally I would prefer to see a secondary source here rather than either a (Wikipedian's) description of a primary source or a direct quote from a primary source. Volunteer Marek  01:24, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits to the article, that does help, though the speech cite still needlessly supports events leading up to it - second para, Context section. It'll be no great loss.

There are lots of things from various sides that could be used as quotes, choosing which ones to ex/in-clude certainly has its issues - I'm not mindful about that provided we, without any "slant", just relay the bare info from the primary sources. As to the solidity, are you asking me personally or encyclopedic-wise? There might be slightly different answers involved :) 86.6.187.246 (talk) 02:01, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Pomerelia

Hi, the article says "In 1210, king Valdemar II of Denmark invaded Pomerelia, whose princeps Mestwin I became his vassal. Pomerelia regained independence from the Danes in 1227." - I think that the sentence is erroneous. Mestwin I in May 1212 he participated in the great congress Polish dukes and the Polish episcopate in Mąkolin (according to article "Mściwój I gdański" in Polish wikipedia) and dependence on Denmark ended in 1211. What do you think about it?Kcdlp (talk) 16:22, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Borzęcin, Lesser Poland Voivodeship

On 11 November 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Borzęcin, Lesser Poland Voivodeship, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the village of Borzęcin was first mentioned in historical documents by the Polish chronicler Jan Długosz in his Liber beneficiorum? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Borzęcin, Lesser Poland Voivodeship. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Template:Did you know nominations/Apollo 11 lunar sample display, Apollo 17 lunar sample display

Responded to your concerns.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

At your convenience, could you do 2 additional article Reviews in addition to Lunar basalt 70017 Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I think the list you did is an excellent idea!--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:46, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

My understanding is that ONLY 1 article Review of a hook is required even for a multiple article hook. Is that right?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure myself actually. Also, this 30-in-1 nom is a bit unprecedented so I don't know if we can apply usual practice to it. But I think other editors have volunteered to do some reviewing to satisfy the requirement. Volunteer Marek  23:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Advice Re: admin decisions

I have only been editing for a month. I ran across the article Abstract figurative in the course of exploring visual art topics, and nominated it for speedy deletion as nonsense. This was was denied without reasonable explanation, but a suggestion that I improve the article with research. Now the article is on the AfD list. This is certainly confusing to the novice, since merely pointing out that the article was self-contradictory and unreferenced should qualify it as nonsense. I see my role as adding needed content as someone familiar with the visual arts, but does that mean not getting involved in cleanup, which is an admin function?FigureArtist (talk) 05:13, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion is for stuff that it's pretty obvious no one's gonna object to deleting. Here apparently there was some concern that someone might object. But I agree that the article is non-encyclopedic, which is why I nominated it for deletion. And even as non-admin you can express your opinion at the AfD, or even nominate articles for deletion yourself (provided the rationale is good). In fact, I'd encourage you to comment at the AfD (accessible via the big banner on top of that article), since you wanted to speedy it. Volunteer Marek  14:43, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

My initations to Rsloch

I think also Rsloch has pro-German no objective attitude. My friend entered table on article 'Silesia' and he reverting it without any argumentation. I attempt to invite him to argumentations (you can see my notices on his talk page). I am afraid he will not leasing to the invitations.--Burham (talk) 02:14, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Ostra Brama

I never know that wikipedia have a policy of delete sourced information. You can add other reliable info to counter mine, but delete my info is out of question. Don't play the censoring game in this encyclopedia. Misplaced Pages is not a propanganda machine of CIA or MI6, mate. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

You know, when you start throwing around accusations about CIA or MI6 propaganda, it's a pretty clear sign that you're POV pushing. A 1946 book entitled "Great Conspiracy: Secret War Against Russia" is simply NOT a reliable source. This is not "censorship" (a word which doesn't make sense in a context of an encyclopedia anyway), it's simply Misplaced Pages policy.

Also, you're not 'adding' info, you're completely changing the text. Volunteer Marek  18:42, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

1. First, any adding or deleting can be regarding as changing the text.
2. Second, you say it is not reliable but I say it is. In wikipedia, it is not about right or wrong, it is about verifiable.
3. Third, if you say that I am POV, then add your own reliable source to counter mine. Deleting mine is out of question.
4. Fourth, you say that I am pushing POV but I say that you and some other users are also doing the same.

Clear enough, mr "Soviet is evil" ? Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 00:59, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Refrain from calling me names.

Look, it's simply not a reliable source. Read WP:RS and WP:FRINGE. You can ask at WP:RSN as well.

 Volunteer Marek  01:32, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

• I was waiting if anyone will actually use the "The Great Conspiracy. The Secret War against Soviet Russia", and here is it!. Wow! That is one I actually read in Russian. This is like using Elders of Zion for sourcing. We are moving back in time not only to Soviet Brezhnev time propaganda, but to old time Stalinist propaganda. My very best wishes (talk) 06:44, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

You're quite correct. The truth is, though, that Brezhnev era sources are widely being used, e.g. many PRL authors here. We should discard those, too, I think. Estlandia (Miacek) (dialogue) 10:08, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

This is not Russian versus Polish sources, but WP:RS versus WP:FRINGE. Actually, the "Conspiracy" book was written by two Western conspiracy theorists to prove that victims of Stalinist show trials were real "enemy of the people". There are other books of same variety, such as "Moscow, 1938" by Lion Feuchtwanger, which is possibly a good source on ideological subversion of writers, but not about anything else. My very best wishes (talk) 13:42, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I know that it's pro-Stalinist refuse. It's available in Estonian, too :)Estlandia (Miacek) (dialogue) 13:46, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry if my words are vandalism or hurt you, but it seems to be that many enwiki users forget about how wikipedia maintains its neutrality. Misplaced Pages keeps its neutrality not by delete selected information because of Soviet this, Soviet that. It preserve that neutrality by accepting and expressing many points of view together. So if you see some articles are too POV, the only good thing to do is add verifiable sources from the other points of view to restore the balance, not by deleting the sources. Deleting like that is not making wikipedia more neutral. It is CENSORSHIP. To be frankly, I am sick of some users using the agrument "Soviet this, Soviet that" and delete the information, even if the sources are taken from reliable sources such as Russian Archive Agency (Russian, not Soviet). I used to think En.wiki is the most neutral wikipedia version because English users can be the citizens of many different countries, but now I am gradually believing that it is merely a propaganda machine of CIA and the anti-Soviet powers. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 14:01, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I think what you are talking about is anti-Soviet Soviet propaganda: Советская коммунистическая пропаганда, потеряв ориентиры, постепенно смыкается с антикоммунистической и антисоветской. Например, антисоветская пропаганда утверждает, что советским государством со времени его возникновения правили одни преступники. Советская пропаганда утверждает почти то же самое. Десятки высших руководителей государства от Троцкого до Хрущева объявлены и до сих пор считаются врагами народа, зонтами империализма и иностранных разведок, в лучшем случае, антипартийными фракционерами и волюнтаристами. И антисоветская, и советская пропаганда утверждают, что никакого социализма с человеческим лицом нет и не может быть. (see here). My very best wishes (talk) 03:26, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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Casimir Pulaski

Hey. I did a quick check on Pulaski: American Heritage, Columbia, Encarta and Oxford Dictionaries use the anglicized name (Casimir Pulaski), while Britannica, Chambers and Webster's use the native one (Kazimierz Pułaski). I didn't find entries from the other major reference works. Prolog (talk) 23:16, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire

I'd be interested in your thoughts there; I've posted mine at User:Piotrus/CERFC. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 18:05, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

David Irving

I removed "holocaust denier" from the introductory sentence of David Irving, but you (and someone else) seem to have a problem with this.

I thought that the purpose of the introductory sentence was to name them, and to list what occupation they do/did. Is this not correct? All other people seem to have their occupation there, rather than things they're known to be linked to.

Is there perhaps a guide somewhere explaining it? Thank you.

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In your recent edit to Battle of Ciudad Juárez (1911), your edit summary states "been over this several times". However, I do not find any discussion by you on the talk page. Please remember that edit summaries are not intended for communicating with other editors, only for describing your edits. Please use the article talk page for discussion, new-to-the-article editors should not have to search edit summaries for your contributions to a discussion, and are quite justified in simply ignoring any input which has been communicated in this manner, where it cannot be readily seen as part of the discussion. Thank you. Yworo (talk) 00:43, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

The only discussion on the talk page is exactly about this issue, hence I'm at a completely loss as to how you managed to miss that. And skip the lectures please, I've been here way longer than you.VolunteerMarek 04:18, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Check your e-mail. Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:38, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

VM, my point is that you did not engage in discussion, and that the discussion is about the text, not the image. And I note that you continue to use edit summaries to address people, which is simply not proper. In fact, it's quite rude. Yworo (talk) 05:43, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Is it? What makes you think so? I do it at least once a week. (Maybe I'm rude...?) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:52, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Re maps in the article on Poland.

Hello Volunteer Marek. I have noticed your activity in many of the Poland-related threads. I have put a request to add a map of the early Polish state (10th/11th cent), but it was rejected (http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Poland#Edit_request_on_10_December_2012_.28Map_of_Poland_in_10th.2F11th_century.29)

Don't you think that such map would be worth including (given the reasons outlined by myself in that edit request)?

109.76.164.113 (talk) 12:57, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Ełk Lake

Thanks for your help on the translation. Much appreciated. Rsloch (talk) 17:50, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Signature

Hi, not sure if it's a bug but your signature doesn't currently contain a link per Misplaced Pages:SIGLINK. Cheers. Hack (talk) 08:52, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for pointing it out. I think it should be good now: Volunteer Marek 21:01, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Magnates of Poland and Lithuania

What's your thought on this discussion? I might have been too harsh, but the bureaucratic argument annoyed me a bit. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 19:52, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Careless editing

Please be more careful when editing. Your reversion at Dance Moms restored a circular redirect that was previously removed and "Shepreviously" is not a word. As for primary sources, it is quite acceptable to use primary sources. Regarding the image, it is not possible to obtain a free equivalent of the cast photo. In any case, this would require turning the article into an image farm. --AussieLegend (✉) 06:43, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Even if there were minor mistakes in the previous version that does not justify the extensive WP:OR in the article. If you're bothered by the circular redirect and "Shepreviously" then remove the circular redirect and put a space between "She" and "previously", rather than doing a blanket revert. And no, primary sources are generally NOT acceptable, except in some special cases because they lead to original research. This is what's happening here.

And the image does not justify fair use for several reasons.Volunteer Marek 08:22, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

There's no OR in the section that you removed, when you added the mistakes mentioned above. I suggest you review WP:OR to find out what constitutes OR. All content is easily verifiable; television episodes are acceptable primary sources - this has been tested many times and I suggest you read WP:TVPLOT, which references WP:PSTS. Whomever added the text originally has come to the same conclusion I did when I've watched the episodes, there has been no analysis, just a clear statement of what has occurred (ad nauseam) in the episodes. As for the image, that it was "uploaded by indef banned user" is completely irrelevant. The editor was blocked only 4 days ago, the block had nothing to do with the image and he hasn't edited the article in months. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:32, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

No, that text is OR consisting of the writer's opinions and gossip. Note that I'm not the only one who noticed this, as another user tried to remove the text before but apparently gave up in the face of your obstinacy. As to the image, it fails fair use for several reasons, none of which are that it was uploaded by a banned user - though that doesn't help either.Volunteer Marek 16:34, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely incorrect. Have you ever actually watched the program? What is written is effectively a direct statement of what occurs in the program, including the "confession cam" videos provided by the mothers and dancers. There's no OR at all and you haven't demonstrated that any of it is incorrect. Everything is verifiable, in accordance with the policy on primary sources. The original version did contain some stuff that shouldn't be there because it was really irrelevant to the series and the twitter claim was unsorced but everything else is fine. That another editor claimed something doesn't prove he was right, it just proves that he hasn't bothered to verify the content, as he should have. Since we're having a dispute over content, we should be following WP:BRD and this edit is at best as, when there is a dispute over content the status quo reigns. Unfortuately, this is the status quo, not the cleaned up version. Please do not continue to edi-war over this, but instead continue to discuss it on the article's talk page. --AussieLegend (✉) 20:14, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Do not remove valid refferences

You deleted a reference to David Ames Wells (1890) from Economic growth saying it was too old. Apparently you are not a student of economic history. This is one of the most important economic works of the period and is often cited. According to your reasoning Adam Smith references shouldn't be allowed either. Please do not delete references unless you have read enough of them to know whether or not they are appropriate. Use the Talk page or use a tag calling for more references if one is inadequate.Phmoreno (talk) 13:05, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Adam Smith should not be used as a reference either, except for opinions of Adam Smith. See WP:PRIMARY. A reference from 1890, used to support a potentially controversial claim, is too old.Volunteer Marek 16:35, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Wrong. This is not a "potentially controversial claim". It is so widely accepted that a reference isn't even needed.Phmoreno (talk) 19:26, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so. The source comes from the time before the advent of quantitative methods in economic history. More recent research has quantified and revised a lot of the claims concerning where the actual productivity increases occurred. For example, way back in the 1960's already, Robert Fogel showed that the non-quantitative assessments of railroads' contribution to economic growth were very exaggerated (Robert_Fogel#Cliometrics_and_Railroads_and_American_Economic_Growth). More generally, I really dislike the phrasing '"Great sources of productivity improvement...". What exactly is a "great source" of a productivity improvement? Like a really spiffy source? At the very least shouldn't it be something like "Some sources of great productivity improvements...". That's just bad writing. Also, what exactly does the word "great" mean there? How much? 10%? 15% 1000000%? Volunteer Marek 19:53, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

And by the way, the correct insult should not be "Apparently you are not a student of economic history" but rather "Apparently you are not a student of history of economic thought".Volunteer Marek 16:38, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

According to Misplaced Pages policy:

"primary sources that have been reliably published may be used in Misplaced Pages; but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them"

This source has been reliably published (it was widely read at the time and is still available in modern reprints) and the whole point of the book is that the cited productivity changes, price decreases and improvements in living standards, which are explicitly described in the book, are the main theme of the book. This is without question. One secondary source who cites Recent Economic Changes is Carlota Perez, but I remember seeing others.Phmoreno (talk) 19:26, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

The point is that this might be a potential primary source for what people thought in 1890's. It's not really a reliable source concerning what actually happened during the Industrial Revolution since it has been potentially supplemented or revised by subsequent research. If newer research agrees with Wells, then it shouldn't be that difficult to cite modern research. If it doesn't, then it should be modern research that is used, not stuff that's more than a century old.Volunteer Marek 19:53, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Unless you have read Wells (apparently not from your uninformed comments) you have no idea how this source relates to the appropriateness of the reference. Yes there are other more modern sources, people such as Milton Friedman, Anna Schwartz, Murray Rothbard, David Landes

read sources like Wells, but none of these people are as reliable as Wells. Why? Because wells was the leading authority on technology in the U.S. at the time.Phmoreno (talk) 04:14, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

No, I haven't read Wells. That doesn't change the fact that we should not use a source from the 1890's. I don't understand your logic regarding Friedman and others, bringing them up appears to be a red herring.Volunteer Marek 05:23, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand your logic about a source being too old. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.Phmoreno (talk) 17:55, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

A red herring? What the hell? Are you into conspiracy theories? WTF is the matter with people?Phmoreno (talk) 15:38, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

So you haven't read the source but you are going to judge whether it's appropriate? I keep a list of my sources with hundreds of pages of notes on this subject and use the most appropriate ones.Phmoreno (talk)

The economists and historians only know half the story. I don't trust them for the technical part, especially because they didn't see it happening in person.Phmoreno (talk) 13:37, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Liberals love revisionist history.Phmoreno (talk) 13:41, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

The source is from 1890. We should use modern sources. I don't really care whom you trust or not and I have no idea what liberals have to do with anything. That's a strange remark.Volunteer Marek 19:25, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

If you or anyone else has modern sources then add them, but do not take out valid sources. That's rude!Phmoreno (talk) 03:00, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Rudeness has nothing to do with it. It's simply not very good practice, or very encyclopedic, to use sources more than a century old to cite facts.Volunteer Marek 08:41, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Bali ultimate

I don't understand how AE works. Is that done and dusted? --Anthonyhcole (talk) 15:46, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Sikora

To jest praca doktorska Radosława Sikory.

Pozdrawiam!Kcdlp (talk) 04:27, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

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