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Confrontation in Senkaku Islands dispute
Article: Senkaku Islands dispute (talk · history · tag) Blurb: A Japan Coast Guard ship engages a Taiwanese ship carrying activists bound for the Senkaku Islands. (Post) News source(s): Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: The Senkaku Islands dispute has heated up considerably in the past few weeks, and this is just the latest incident in a string of incidents that includes threats by both Japan and China to use military force to enforce their respective claims to the area. --Jayron32 22:11, 24 January 2013 (UTC) --Jayron32 22:11, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. I'm not convinced this minor confrontation is enough to get this ongoing dispute on ITN; only water cannons were used and no one was hurt. If there was a more intense confrontation, such as the use of arms to halt a ship or injuries, then I could see this getting posted. 331dot (talk) 22:20, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose I agree with 331dot doktorb words 23:52, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
David Headley sentenced for his role in the 2008 Mumbai attacks
Article: David Headley (talk · history · tag) Blurb: David Headley is sentenced to 35 years in prison for his role in the 2008 Mumbai attacks (Post) News source(s): Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: Major terrorist attack, conviction and sentencing of a significant player in that attack. --Jayron32 19:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose The verdict is not surprising, the principal is not that notable and certainly not at the top of his field. Hate to oppose two noms in a row by the same person, but this is just not incredible news with a high reader interest in a great article. μηδείς (talk) 20:08, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose Effectively "news in brief", this is an afterthought which has no place on our front page doktorb words 21:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. From what I gather, this individual was not the mastermind of the attack or otherwise had some sort of leadership role; he seemed to be more of a functionary figure who just scouted things out. As Doktorbuk said, essentially this is just an afterthought. 331dot (talk) 22:09, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- As I'm discussing over on WT:ITN, posting this story would be far preferable to leaving ITN un-updated (it's been four days since an update). However the arguments above are fully in line with our standard practices here. I think this shows that are current practices are in need of serious revision. LukeSurl 22:54, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Pentagon to end ban on women in front-line combat
Article: No article specified Blurb: No blurb specified (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits:
--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose this seems a little overblown (some of the coverage, not the nom). Plenty of women have been in so-called support roles. Hot Stop (Talk) 04:01, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose This is a policy issue, not a legal development, and not one that lends itself to featuring a relevant good article readers are looking for, which is the point of ITN. μηδείς (talk) 04:36, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not strictly opposed to the idea per se, this seems like a newsworthy event to me, but any relevant articles, either women in combat or women in the military by country are in pretty rough shape, and by the time they were cleaned up to anything of the standard we usually post here, it wouldn't be timely news anymore. --Jayron32 04:43, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose Nothing nominated, nothing to support doktorb words 04:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose Minor domestic policy change that has little global significance. LightGreenApple talk to me 08:56, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. As said by others above, this is just a government policy change; if it was Congress passing a law directing such a change, that might be noteworthy enough, but this is just DOD Secretary Panetta starting a policy change(which will take time to go into effect) that a future POTUS and Secretary could change back. Also no article nominated. 331dot (talk) 11:11, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose per LittleGreenApple. There is simply no major impact beyond this story. It sounds interesting and amusing indeed, but definitely not a news that bears much notability at all.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:11, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose As far as I understood, this is mostly a technicality as women have been allowed to serve even before. And anyway, there is nothing revolutionary about women in military. Cf. Israel Defense Forces, for example. --hydrox (talk) 14:59, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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- A court in Thailand sentences a magazine editor to ten years' imprisonment for publishing articles that were deemed to have insulted the monarchy. (BBC)
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DNA as information storage
Article: DNA (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Scientists successfully use DNA as a means of data storage. (Post) News source(s): , Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: Published in Nature yesterday, reported in WSJ today. Science and technology are an underrepresented topic for ITN, interesting cross-disciplinary topic. --Jayron32 19:30, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose no doubt this report belongs to Nature, but I really don't see the actual potential for actually being relevant to the public since DNA is a very un-atom-economical way to store information. Plus, a book has been encoded as DNA before. Nergaal (talk) 19:48, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Comment: how can this feat be crowbarred into DNA without being WP:RECENTISM? It's just another nanotech use for DNA. Modest Genius 20:03, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose this is somewhat interesting ("Oh, neat") from a science point of view, but has long been discussed and the actual achievement, rather than being a huge practical advance, is instead rather academic. μηδείς (talk) 20:05, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose I agree with above. It's very curious. It's not front page news doktorb words 21:06, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. This isn't a new discovery, simply a different use of one; DNA has been encoded for other purposes before(such as a book). 331dot (talk) 22:12, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
RD: Józef Glemp
Article: Józef Glemp (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Fox News Credits:
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Cardinal Glemp served as Primate of the Catholic Church in Poland for 23 28 years, including the turbulent times of Solidarity, martial law, and transition to democracy and market economy. He was one of the most influential clergymen in a country where the Catholic Church is still a powerful force. --— Kpalion 23:21, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
UK vote on withdrawal from the European Union
Article: United Kingdom withdrawal from the European Union (talk · history · tag) Blurb: British Prime Minister, David Cameron, promises a referendum on United Kingdom withdrawal from the European Union (Post) News source(s): Wall Street Journal, CBC, Guardaian, BBC Credits:
Article updated --RA (talk) 22:08, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose "Promising" a referendum is way too far away from a referendum passing. If we post this, we'd be posting the approval of the referendum as it heads to voters too. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:57, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Promising the referendum is the news event here. It is significant enough by itself, as evidienced by the news coverage of just the promise of one. --RA (talk) 22:21, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose The blurb is incorrect on numerous levels. We've not left yet, there's no referendum act, there's no discussions with the EU yet. doktorb words 22:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- The blurb doesn't say the UK has left. Or that there is a referendum act. Or that discussions with the EU have taken place. It says that David Cameron has promised a referendum on UK withdrawal from the EU.
To quote the WSJ above:"U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron Wednesday pledged to hold a referendum on whether the country should remain a member of the European Union within 2½ years of the next general election, which is due in 2015." Or the Guardian headline above: "David Cameron promises in-out EU referendum". That's what the blurb says. --RA (talk) 22:21, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose Politicians promise this and that every day. No referendum yet - no reason to post it yet. - Rex (talk) 22:12, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support - Big news, and of international import. The Cameron statement is quite notable and ITN-worthy, in my view. Jusdafax 23:27, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- How? Why? It will take a year, at least, before we know what (if anything) he will ask the EU to repatriate. It will take until 2015 to know if he is still Prime Minister. Most of your reasoning falls foul of CRYSTAL doktorb words 23:40, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. It might be noteworthy if the referendum was actually scheduled, but promising one is a long way from that. 331dot (talk) 00:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. Huge news in the UK, but nothing has actually happened yet. ITN will (would?) certainly post the referendum itself. So far Cameron has simply announced his intention to fight the next election on a manifesto which includes a promise of a referendum. That's a long way off; it may well (hopefully imo) never happen. Modest Genius 00:06, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose unless the referendum is actually being held and they do indeed withdraw. --RJFF (talk) 00:19, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. ITN shouldn't be covering campaign promises. The actual referendum itself, should it come to pass, would be a good fit, however. Resolute 00:25, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose - Not even government policy, as the PM's coalition partners are against this move. This is just a manifesto pledge for a far-off election. AlexTiefling (talk) 00:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose Great news, and we should post it when it happens. μηδείς (talk) 05:36, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. My God, I'd thought I'd somehow missed a major news story and it turns out to be mere rhetorical waffle. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 06:31, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support The Prime Minister of the UK promising a referendum on withdrawal from the EU is huge news, and a major development from the status quo. 87.63.85.30 (talk) 09:03, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose until it happens. Just politics at the moment. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:40, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose as per CalendarWatcher, this is plain misleading. LightGreenApple talk to me 09:50, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose - Honestly, I have a really hard time seeing this being actualised and as per above, this should only be posted when it it actually happens. Also, I suggest someone change the title of the nomination, at the moment it's extremely misleading. YuMaNuMa 12:51, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Said Ali al-Shihri for Recent Deaths ticker
Article: Said Ali al-Shihri (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): , . Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Update is short but sufficient given what is known. Said Ali al-Shihri was widely cited as second in command of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP). --Jayron32 20:57, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Comment This probably can not be posted until the WP:UNDUE article cleanup template has been resolved. --hydrox (talk) 21:05, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose The article is a mess. It needs to be restructured before it can be linked on the main page. In particular, the various section sub-headers should be removed and the content phased into a broader section.--WaltCip (talk) 21:50, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Israeli elections
Article: Israeli legislative election, 2013 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: X (Likud-Yisrael Beiteinu) win a plurality in the Israeli legislative election, 2013 (Post) Credits:
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: polls close in 11 hours and results will trickle in soon. Im just working on adding some stuff there (here was a citations tag on the page though, once that gets done an update with reactions can make this ready) Lihaas (talk) 08:13, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- When the article is updated, ready to post. --Tone 21:45, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Ready? even with a 2,526 byte deletion this has been expanded by over 3,000 bytes and five referenced claims in the last day. μηδείς (talk) 22:40, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Not ready, for the simple reason that the results haven't been announced yet, let alone incorporated into the article. They're due to come out on Wednesday. Modest Genius 23:57, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Technically the article is ready, and it would be nice for us once to have a link up for something before it is 36 hours old. We've got consensus that Netanyahu's current coalition has won. Given the uncontested results, the staleness of the current listings, the fact that the article is technically updated, and the lack of necessity to wait for ever single statistic to be confirmed, we don't need to lag on this. μηδείς (talk) 01:38, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Of course it's not ready. We don't know who won yet. The page says estimates are based on exit polls. There are no officially reported resultss. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:40, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Well, again, technically, the article is ready when it has been updated, which it has been as of the nomination. I am sure you understand that point. My real underlying concern is that we have an admin post this as soon as we get a one-sentence update that the Netanyahu coalition has officially won. Not a day's delay due to lack of attention, or waiting for even more of an update than just the declaration of a winner. We shouldn't be waiting on the filling in of statistics before we post this. μηδείς (talk) 01:47, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Wait until article is updated with official results. If that happens, go ahead and post this. --Jayron32 03:38, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support posting now - I heard the results announced yesterday on the radio. The article appears updated enough for a blurb to be posted. Do it now, please. Jusdafax 09:45, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
- Almost ready. There's now a results table, with references. But no prose about them. Add a few (referenced) sentences and it's there. Modest Genius 18:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
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Michael Winner
Article: Michael Winner (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Guardian, Telegraph, Daily Mail, BBC. Most papers running multiple articles (see "Related articles" sidebars). Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: High-profile, colourful figure in the UK; death has been getting heavy coverage across UK media --Jheald (talk) 13:22, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose, his significance in his field doesn't appear to be quite up to scratch for RD. Still, a colorful character nonetheless (By the way, he passed away on the 21st).--Kawaii-Soft (talk) 13:30, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. A 'colourful character' isn't really enough. No BAFTAs, no Academy Awards. I would say that Death Wish was a somewhat notable film but otherwise not particularly a notable career.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:24, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- I wonder whether that's really the right yardstick to apply, though. It seems a bit like assessing Jeremy Clarkson as just a motoring journalist, or Don King as just a boxing promoter. Winner is not some long-ago great that nobody's really thought about for years. His real talent, rather than his film directing, was in creating a larger-than-life persona and keeping it in the public eye really right up until a fortnight before he died. That's why he is being remembered so widely, and what the Sunday Times thought it was worth paying a fortune for his columns for. Jheald (talk) 15:27, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Not to be snarky, and with no disrespect toward you or your nomination, but using that yardstick, we'd include Gilbert Gottfried, Snooki, and Carrot Top in RD. The questions are notability and impact, and the answers are that he didn't have enough of them. Oppose -- Mike (Kicking222) 17:28, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose Having an effective PR team is not one of our death criteria. Not among the most important film directors (or food critics, or insurance salesmen) of his generation. Kevin McE (talk) 18:43, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support Calm down, dear, it's only a recent death. Lugnuts 20:46, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. Was not a leading figure in cinema; to a large extent his contemporary fame rests upon a catch phrase in a series of TV adverts. Not significant enough in my opinion. Modest Genius 21:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Given his standing in his field (one real movie of note) he hardly compares to dear abby. Can't speak for TV adverts, maybe someone could give a youtube link? μηδείς (talk) 22:44, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose - His TV adverts are hardly sufficient claim to fame on their own. His movies, while noteworthy, do not make him a leader in his field. He was quite a polymath, but not so outstandingly so that I think we need to include him here. AlexTiefling (talk) 23:27, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support for RD. And I'm jealous of Lugnuts for beating me to the joke. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 06:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support for ticker Has a varied and well regarded back catalogue, very well regarded career as (an often utterly self-obsessed) restaurant critic, and is a cultural touchstone for many doktorb words 14:54, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Algeria update
Operation over, time to update the hostage crisis blurb and bump.Lihaas (talk) 01:31, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Could you clarify more specifically what changes you are recommending? (Also, the item is already at the top of ITN, so I don't know what you mean by "bump"). Spencer 02:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Reactions elicited and th e Algerian govt has announced the end of operations with some 23-odd hostages dead (foreign). Key being the operations ver (and similarly to the ]]26/11]] incident)Lihaas (talk) 01:33, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Unless there are demonstrations internationally that are notable in themselves, we don't generally post public reactions to events that occur, only the events themselves. Spencer 09:03, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Rather than just saying that somebody else should write a new blurb, writing one so it is ready to post would be much more useful to the posting admin :). Thue (talk) 06:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
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Clear consensus not to post; no need to waste more effort on this nomination. Spencer 02:36, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
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Article: Second inauguration of Barack Obama (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Barack Obama is sworn in for a second term as the 44th President of the United States. (Post) News source(s): New York Times, The Olympian, ABC News Credits:
Andise1 (talk) 17:48, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Strong oppose- We posted his election. This is merely a formality, and we wouldn't post this for any other country. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 17:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose We knew when he was elected that he'd be sworn in on Jan 20. Bzweebl is right that this wouldn't be considered for any other nation. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:57, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose This would only have been ITNworthy if it hadn't happened for some reason. μηδείς (talk) 18:18, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose Procedural inevitability. Kevin McE (talk) 18:53, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Neutral we don't normally post these, but it is on the front page of bbc.co.uk, and that seems to be a highly important benchmark these days. --IP98 (talk) 19:42, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. Neutral on the actual story but it's probably overkill to have the first one on TFA and the second on ITN so quickly. GRAPPLE X 19:47, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose For the reasons allowed above. Mere administration, not for ITN doktorb words 20:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. I cannot realise any significance beyond an inauguration of a head of state, even it's the President of the United States in question.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:02, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. The election was the noteworthy event, not his being sworn in again. 331dot (talk) 02:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- support as its all thats in the news regardless are personal opinions. Plus we posted australia's elecion thirce, and canada/uk twice. Obama's actual election was in Dec too.Lihaas (talk) 01:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Wait You might have better luck getting his third inaugural posted as news. μηδείς (talk) 01:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
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- In ice hockey, a shortened 48-game (per team) 2012–13 NHL season begins today with 13 Saturday games after the end of the 119-day lockout. (NHL) (USA Today)
- In association football, FC Shakhtar Donetsk wins the 2013 Match World Cup, played this week at Zayed Sports City Stadium in Abu Dhabi, UAE. (Match World Cup)
- Olympiacos F.C. sacks coach Leonardo Jardim, despite the club sitting 10 points clear at the top of the 2012–13 Superleague Greece. (UEFA) (FIFA) (Goal.com)
- FC Barcelona loses its first match in the 2012–13 La Liga, squandering a two-goal lead in a 2–3 defeat at Real Sociedad, breaking their 23 game unbeaten run. (ESPN) (UEFA)
- Sébastien Loeb wins the 2013 Monte Carlo Rally, the first stage of the 2013 World Rally Championship season. (Reuters) (Autosport)
- The 2013 Dakar Rally ends today in Santiago, Chile. Stéphane Peterhansel wins a record 11th overall Dakar Rally, while French compatriot Cyril Despres captures a fifth motorcycling crown. (Autosport) (AFP via Google)
Article: Ahmed Dogan (talk · history · tag) Blurb: An assailant identified as Oktai Enimehmedov attempts to assassinate opposition leader Ahmed Dogan at a party congress. (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits:
--EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 11:09, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose It came, it went, it got a hypergazillion views on YouTube. This is a curiosity (shocking to watch, of course), not a front page news story doktorb words 11:34, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Weak support per precedent, the Gabrielle Giffords shooting was posted and she wasn't even the leader of her party in her legislative body as this man is. I'd support it more if he had actually been wounded, but as a matter of fairness it should be posted. 331dot (talk) 12:31, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- I've changed my mind to weak oppose. This man seems to have been the only one in danger, unlike the Giffords shooting where many were wounded and others killed. 331dot (talk) 12:36, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Vice President of Indian National Congress
Consensus not to post now; wait to see if he is PM later. Spencer 02:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
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Article: Rahul Gandhi (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Rahul Gandhi appointed vice president of the Indian National Congress (Post) News source(s): Times of India, NDTV Credits:
--Gfosankar (talk) 06:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Comments- He is the fourth generation from the Nehru–Gandhi family. He likely to be the Prime Ministerial candidate by Indian National Congress for next general election.Gfosankar (talk) 06:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. We don't usually post changes to the organizational structure of political parties. When he's prime minister, we'll deal with it then. --Jayron32 06:20, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Very Strong Opposition The incumbent minister of India was not the Vice-President of the INC. The suggestion by the nominator that he is likely to be the Prime Ministerial candidate of the INC or the UPA should be treated as the personal opinion of the nominator. Prime Ministers in India can be definitely defined only after the results of the Union elections are announced and after the alliances are forged. Besides this organizational changes are not considered as ITN candidates.Regards, theTigerKing 06:53, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose I will die laughing at this. We don't even post anything when someone is appointed as the vice president of a country. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ 06:59, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose As above. Not a notable or significant position in the context of a Misplaced Pages nomination. doktorb words 07:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Each day many people are appointed to similar or more important positions.Egeymi (talk) 10:07, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose Not many Indians really bother about it.Leave the whole world! TheStrikeΣagle 10:37, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. Interesting, but not suitable for ITN as the position is not important enough. The fact that he might be a candidate for PM doesn't make it important enough. If and when he is elected PM, that will get mentioned. 331dot (talk) 10:37, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Pile on Oppose. To be fair, this did make very big news in India, and CNN is running an analysis article on its main page. But even when we step aside from the politics, this is not ITN-worthy by a long shot. MikeLynch (talk) 16:49, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
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RD: Stan Musial
Article: Stan Musial (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Huffington Post ESPN Credits:
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: One of the greatest and most well known baseball players of all time, probably good enough for at least RD. --Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 01:27, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, but that is defunct for good reason. --IP98 (talk) 01:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support for RD - Hall of Famer, Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient, one of the all-time greats. --Bongwarrior (talk) 01:44, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support for RD per ITN/DC #2 --IP98 (talk) 01:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support for RD Meets ITN/DC #2 – Muboshgu (talk) 01:48, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support for RD I know, I'm a biased baseball fan, but this seems like a no-brainer. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 01:55, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support ticker; helps that it's an FA too. Oppose blurb but consensus seems clear on where to put him. Wizardman 03:20, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Ready The support is universal, and although it wasn't before, it is well updated now. μηδείς (talk) 03:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support - "Stan the Man" was highly notable and worth an RD at the very least. Jusdafax 04:31, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. --Jayron32 04:35, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support update to blurb, universally considered one of the greatest baseball players of all-time, one of the most beloved figures in American sports, front page news on practically every American news website, which is unheard of for any athlete, top story in the New York Times , second top story in CNN who named him "one of its greatest, most dignified ambassadors" in baseball five page obituary from the associated press, more reactions should be coming tomorrow, as this news broke during the evening. It is safe to say he was the American sports equivalent to Donald Bradman. Oh and its a FA to boot. Secret 06:50, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Instead of updating to a full blurb, what about nominating if for TFA instead? It has not yet appeared on the Main page. --Tone 20:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Probably agree with Tone, TFA is a better place to go, although it is desirable to feature FA content on ITN. However, I wouldn't quite say Musial is the US equivalent of Donald Bradman. While these apples to oranges comparisons are always complicated, Musial wasn't the very best at his sport, merely one of the very best. (note, I'm a St. Louis Cardinals fan). Among living MLB players the closest equivalent would probably be Willy Mays or Hank Aaron. Also, my feeling is that the RD ticker was created in part to allow figures like Musial who are familiar to only part of the Misplaced Pages audience to be posted with less fuss; a nomination for a full blurb in the past would have likely resulted in a bitter debate.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
RD for Earl Weaver
Article: Earl Weaver (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): ESPN Credits:
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: A Hall of Fame Manager, one of the best and most well-known in baseball history. --AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 01:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose I actually considered nominating when I heard the news. In the end I was not convinced he passed ITN/DC #2. 17 years as an MLB manager. Hall of Fame is too inclusive to give every inductee a pass. --IP98 (talk) 01:51, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- ITN/DC #2: "The deceased was widely regarded as a very important figure in his or her field." You don't think Earl Weaver was an important figure? AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 02:00, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- An important figure, but not a very important figure. He is far from one of the top 10 most important people in his sport, and that's saying a lot, since a top 10 figure in a comparably popular sport like rugby might not pass RD, though I have no precedent for that. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 02:30, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- 17 years, 1 world series, radio show, a book. Basically a run of the mill baseball manager. He wasn't a drugged up loser, but he wasn't very important either. --IP98 (talk) 02:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. Yeah, a managing career of one World Series win isn't enough really. Unlike Musial above, Weaver isn't one of the all time greats. He did have a good computer game named after him though.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. Very important manager, one of the great "characters" of the game, still not of the same league as Stan the Man above, who until he died was the greatest living baseball player; and I'm not sure you'd get much debate on that. Weaver was well known, but not "greatest at what he did" territory. --Jayron32 06:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Weaver was one of the greatest masterminds in regards to pitching, which is the main reason why he was elected to the Hall of Fame relatively fast, otherwise not among the all-time greatest managers, even with those who are still living (Cox, Torre, and a few others). Oppose Secret 06:54, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose Misplaced Pages is not an obituary service. Not significant or important enough a person for the front page (as, no doubt, will be the conclusion upon most of us editors when we pass on too) doktorb words 07:34, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
2013 Dakar Rally
Article: 2013 Dakar Rally (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Stéphane Peterhansel wins a record 11th overall Dakar Rally (Post) Alternative blurb: In auto racing, Stéphane Peterhansel wins the car category of the Dakar Rally. News source(s): , Article needs updating The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Article has an orange tag and needs a little work. --IP98 (talk) 01:07, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Didn't notice that it was ITNR. The above more-or-less still stands, though. Formerip (talk) 02:11, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Strong oppose and request to remove from ITN/R No offence, I do not get how this managed to make it into ITN/R ever. I have never seen this ever mentioned in the news, none in the history of the event, if it ever appears, it only get a tiny snippets, literally like college football. Only newsworthy to a small minority of motorsport enthusiasts. Donnie Park (talk) 04:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- my nomination is based on what I observed, events that were more deserving that was refused nomination, example the FIFA Club World Cup, which a month ago was heavily opposed, stating that it was insignificant when according an article in the Evening Standard on the 17th December, it stated that it may not be important to people in Europe but it is in South America and ask South Americans and Africans public. Donnie Park (talk) 04:17, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Before I get accused of WP:IDONTLIKEIT and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, to absolutely make it clear that I am not a football person, I tend to edit motorsport related subjects, check edit history. Donnie Park (talk) 14:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Being a top level tournament in one classification of a sport is not a pass to main page prominence. We didn't post Larysa Solovyova retaining her women's -63kg powerlifting title in Aguadilla last year. There is no call for your sarcastic closing comment. Kevin McE (talk) 13:03, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- It was a direct response to Donnie Parks remarks. To be clear, I don't care about the Dakar Rally, but it's certainly more broad in scope than "women's -63kg powerlifting". --IP98 (talk) 13:11, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Donnie's comment was that this is not significant enough, not that he didn't like it. I would agree that it is of greater scope than the womens -63kg powerlifting, but your comment was not predicated on scope, but on being top level in a classification of a sport. Kevin McE (talk) 13:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- We're way OT here but Donnie specifically linked to the 2012 FIFA Club World Cup as a "prime example". Regarding the tier, in this case it's "rally racing", not, for example "mens age 35-42 closed top 4wd rally raid". --IP98 (talk) 13:49, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- We probably ought to stop, but the top level of competition in rallying is the World Championship. This is only the top level if you chose to focus on one specific sub-category of rallying, the rally raid (power lifting rather than other forms of weightlifting in my example), but then choose to be selective among that subcategory (cars rather than bikes, quads or trucks in your text, -63 kg women in mine). Kevin McE (talk) 14:07, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- I would agree with Donnie Park that this event seems to be a niche event that is of interest to a very small number of enthusiasts. I've supported it in the past but I believe it wasn't posted last year, plus the article has several issues.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- It was placed on ITN/R with no discussion at all. That is not evidence of a considered consensus. Kevin McE (talk) 18:06, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
RD: Taihō Kōki
Article: Taihō Kōki (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): The Times of Malta, Washington Post Article needs updating Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Important figure in Sumo. 48th yokozuna and all-time leader in makuuchi (top division) championships (32). --61.245.26.4 (talk) 10:45, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- Note: I've seen even Russian, Venezuelan, Croatian and Brazilian sources picking up the news of his death. Nergaal (talk) 22:47, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- Done There's now a five-sentence update on the last stage of his life. --hydrox (talk) 12:07, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- RD support, really worried that we are still so far away from an agreed and publicised consensus on who might get a death blurb in the RD era that this can be seriously suggested for a blurb. Kevin McE (talk) 09:53, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. --Tone 20:44, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
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- Lottery winner Urooj Kahn's body is exhumed after investigators concluded he was poisoned by cyanide. (Chicago Tribune)
- An unknown assailant throws acid in the face of Sergei Filin, who is the artistic director of the Bolshoi Theatre, leaving him partially blind. The attack is attributed to the current power struggle for the famed Russian opera house. (BBC) (AP) (Reuters)
- Ray Nagin, the former Mayor of New Orleans, Louisiana, is indicted on 21 different counts including fraud, embezzlement, money laundering, bribery, and tax evasion. (BBC) (AP) (NPR)
- A cleaning woman accused of stealing an empty commuter train in Saltsjöbaden, a suburb of Stockholm, Sweden, was not to blame for the crash. (BBC) (Dagens Nyheter)
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Long March
Articles: Long March (Pakistan) (talk · history · tag) and Mohammad Tahir-ul-Qadri (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Sufi cleric Mohammad Tahir-ul-Qadri reaches an agreement with the government of Pakistan following his Long March (Post) Credits:
First article updated, second needs updatingNominator's comments: Culmination of all the Pak events, per ITNC precedence its the culmination that is ITN-worthy --Lihaas (talk) 02:53, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Before we decide, do you have any links to prominent news sources, so we can judge how prominently this is In The News? --Jayron32 14:42, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- + an al jazeera/wsj source hat i cant find now. There are some moe on the page.Lihaas (talk) 02:47, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- Comment Is there any way to compare this with other protests in Pakistan? We posted the Catalonia protests, but those were widely viewed as record-sized protests, while the press in this case is reporting 40,000 people, if I read the article right. μηδείς (talk) 03:03, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- Its the expectation and repercussions that are more important here. The Declaration made headlines. (we could link to Pakistani general election, 2013)Lihaas (talk) 06:02, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- I must weak oppose until there is evidence this event is being covered by international media in some form; discussions in the last few weeks have shown me that is an important consideration. 331dot (talk) 10:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- Opposed due to update the long march article doesn't have enough sources for the amount of prose. Specifically the reactions section is largely unsourced. Ul-Qadri's article is better, but the long march section doesn't cover enough of the event to carry it through to the MP. Agree this is a fairly major development. --IP98 (talk) 12:43, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- EVERY square inch of the page is sourced and the source is profvided. So does hat mean yu support or have another reason to oppose?
- per precedence, this has muhc more of an updae than the majority of INT ariclesLihaas (talk) 00:17, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- I count two inline sources in the entire reactions section. There are two whole huge paragraphs totally unsourced. There are direct quotes from government officials with no sources. I added some fact tags to help. --IP98 (talk) 01:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- EVERYTHING is sourced, i know, i added i. Itsoverref-fin, i feel, to ad d same ref without an intermediate diff references. The section ref includes all those quotes. You can read it.Lihaas (talk) 04:03, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
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- In Aménas hostage crisis:
- An Algerian official reports that a group of hostages has escaped from the natural gas complex that was taken over by Islamist militants. It is reported as many as 20 escaped, including Americans. (BBC) (Los Angeles Times) (Fox News)
- The Algerian Army assaults the complex with helicopter gunships, reportedly killing 15 kidnappers and as many as 34 hostages. According to local sources, at least 7 hostages remain alive and in captivity. (Al Jazeera)
- Algerian news agency ANP reports that during the Algerian Army assault 600 hostages were freed. Terrorists claim that they killed 35 hostages during the battle and that 15 terrorists were killed. (USA Today)
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- Northern Mali conflict (2012–present):
- The number of French forces in the country rises to 1,400, more than half of the planned 2,500 strong force, as its troops continue to fight insurgents in Konna and Diabaly. Chad prepares to send the first 200 troops of a 2000-strong force to assist in the military operations as part of a regional mission. The European Union votes to send 450 to 500 "non-combat" troops to Mali, half of them are trainers. (Al Jazeera)
- The first West African troops enter Mali. 100 soldiers from the Togolese military enter the country with Nigerian military due to enter shortly afterward. (Reuters)
- Iraqi insurgency (post-U.S. withdrawal):
- Two car bombs explode in the city of Dujail, Iraq, leaving at least 7 dead and 25 wounded. (Xinhua)
- A bomb detonated on a bus carrying pilgrims in Iraq. In a separate incident a roadside bomb detonated and injures two pilgrims walking to Hussein ibn Ali. Another bomb detonated at a bus stop killing 7 people and wounding 28. Also a civilian vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb leaving 2 dead. In total 33 people were killed in one of the most violent days this month. (AP via USA Today)
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Dear Abby dies
Pauline Phillips for RD. front page at BBC and other places. A syndicated author with over 100 million readers. EDIT--I changed the name to Pauline Phillips from Pauline Friedman, Phillips is her married name and the name mostly used in the media.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:51, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support. Iconic newspaper columnist. Support even though Misplaced Pages points out the rivalry with Dear Ann. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:01, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support RD or full blurb, per Susan, probably one of the most influential women journalists in history, clearly meets criteria #2 of deaths. Secret 21:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support. I must admit I am sad at her passing, her influence in her unique field cannot be overlooked. --Kawaii-Soft (talk) 21:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Question: If we do post this, what name should we use? Pauline Friedman is her birth name, but is a redirect to her married name "Pauline Phillips". However, per WP:COMMONNAME, she is universally more recognized by her nom de plume "Abigail Van Buren". I suspect almost no reader would recognize either of the Pauline names, but many would recognize Abigail Van Buren instantly. I think, if we do post this in the RD ticker, it should be under Abigail Van Buren. After all, if Martin Sheen died, we wouldn't post it as "Ramón Antonio Gerardo Estévez", even though he's never legally changed his name to Martin Sheen. What does everyone else think? --Jayron32 21:13, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- The ticker isn't super crowded, and the two Jan 11 items will likely expire off soon, I'm ok with an "aka" either "Dear Abby" or "Abigail Van Buren". Dear Abby is shorter.... --IP98 (talk) 21:28, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- On the contrary, the ticker has two items already, and we usually only put 3 names on it. Having a legal name and a pen name at the same time would make it too long. I think we should just post it as Abigail Van Buren and do it that way. --Jayron32 21:46, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- I think we should post it as "Dear Abby". It's what's best known, so much so that it's in the Hollywood Walk of Fame. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:27, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Nearly every news source I can find calls her Pauline Phillips in the title. On the other hand Dear Abby gets a lot more hits. My feeling is that as an encyclopedia we should use her accurate name, so I'd say Pauline Phillips. I don't think Abigal Van Buran is really as well known as 'Dear Abby' and 'Dear Abby' is way too unencyclopedic. We could solve this by moving to a full blurb but my feeling, and it consensus so far agrees, that this is an RD ticker item. So let's stick to Pauline Phillips and let readers learn her pseudonyms in the article.--Johnsemlak (talk) 22:52, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support for RD per ITN/DC #2. Even if her field was newspaper advice columns. --IP98 (talk) 21:26, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support for RD; widely known in her field, with tens of millions of readers. 331dot (talk) 21:45, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support for RD definitely significant enough to draw some mention. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 22:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support for RD using the common name of "Dear Abby" piped to her real name. The Hollywood walk star says "Dear Abby" – Muboshgu (talk) 22:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support for RD with the name 'Dear Abby' and a pipe-link. Probably the most influential writer in her field in the whole world. AlexTiefling (talk) 22:32, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Name We wouldn't say Reginald Dwight passed away. We should use the name--pen name or columnist--that she's known by. (Opposed, BTW) μηδείς (talk) 22:52, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Posted to RD as Pauline Phillips --Stephen 23:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Aviation regulators ground the Boeing 787
Article: Boeing 787 Dreamliner (talk · history · tag) Blurb: After a string of incidents involving overheating in their lithium ion batteries, several national aviation regulatory agencies issue orders grounding the worldwide fleet of Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft. (Post) Alternative blurb: Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft are grounded worldwide over concerns surrounding the saftey of their lithium ion batteries. News source(s): BBC, Reuters, Time, Taipei Times, Montreal Gazette, Hindustan Times Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: Significant development, a whole bunch of national aviation regulators have grounded the worldwide fleet of Boeing 787s, including Japan, Europe, India, China, and the U.S. Covered in major news sources around the world. As a nice bonus, there's a free pic to use as well. --Jayron32 16:24, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support the concept of posting this; covered worldwide, involves a new aircraft used worldwide, but suggest a shorter blurb, perhaps simply by dropping the first part of the proposed one. 331dot (talk) 16:32, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose at this time. In the US this affects 6 planes (only United had them), and I think the number worldwide is rather small since they've only started rolling the 787's out. It would be different if it were, say, the 737's which are more widely used and would be in the thousands and would have major effects on the airline industry. This at this point is effectively just a bad business break for Boeing. Now, if down the road, FAA and others say "sorry, we're not going to allow the 787's to fly again period", which would be a huge economic impact on Boeing which has invested a lot in this, that would be different. Right now, its a standard regulatory thing that's a small impact to anyone outside of Boeing. --MASEM (t) 16:33, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Noting a change from outright Oppose to Weak Oppose; WaltCip's pointer of the improved article is a factor towards including in ITN, though I still stand by the fact that the 787 fleet is tiny relative to worldwide aircraft fleet sizes, with the only major impact on Boeing and a few airlines. --MASEM (t) 17:10, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support - The number of 787's in circulation should not be a factor; it's still the latest iteration in the Boeing line, and the entire fleet being grounded would certainly be significant international news in the topic of interest. Aerospace news (save for crashes) seems to be fairly underrepresented on ITN. Also, the Boeing 787 article has been significantly updated as a result of the news, which makes it a prime candidate for being posted on the front page.--WaltCip (talk) 17:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support as expected, several other national aviation authorities issued grounding orders following the FAA. It's a big deal when a top tier manufacturer has such a significant event with such a highly engineered piece of equipment. By comparison, the Boeing_737_rudder_issues which caused multiple aircraft crashes did not result in a grounding. --IP98 (talk) 17:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support- Clearly worldwide, and there are plenty of these planes around. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 17:30, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support Boeing calls it the most technologically advanced aircraft on the planet and also for all the reasons mentioned above. But the blurb is clumsy. An alternative:Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircrafts are grounded worldwide following the risks of battery fires.Regards, theTigerKing 19:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support universal grounding of newest commercial airliner, with multiple problems on aircraft of differing ages. A serious issue, not just the batteries, but the cracked cockpit glass, the failed brakes etc., affecting aircraft one month or one year old. Multiple failures on multiple aircraft of varying flying hours. A truly notable failure for any new aircraft. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:05, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Boldly marking as ready. The alt blurb is good, the update is excellent, there is strong consensus to post. --IP98 (talk) 21:33, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Strong support, seemingly busting the myth of the "ever safer airline industry"? The major player. Quite gobsmacking. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- It's ready to go, but please ensure the blurb reflects reality, perhaps simplify to state that all 787s have been grounded pending investigation. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:49, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Posted, with a modified version of the alternate blurb to better explain reasons and to shorten the statement. Prodego 21:53, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
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