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Makhila

Hello and thank you for using my picture on your article, it’s very flattering. In answer to your question, the makhila that it depicts is about 1,05 metre, but each and every stick is unique, and made according to the size and weight of it’s future owner. I actually ordered this one from the Ainciart-Bergara workshop in Larressore (considered as the trademark makhila maker) for my dad’s 60th birthday. The delay was about 6 months, but it can be up to more than a year, with clients from all over the world (which seems surprising for such a small family business). If you have an opportunity to visit them one day, you’ll probably be surprised to see a wall covered with pictures of celebrities receiving a Makhila from their workshop (such as Ronald Reagan or John Paul IInd). It was funny how I had to « make my proofs » as a client to obtain their agreement to have a Makhila made from them, and as I conceived it (specific decorations, personal motto translated in Basque) : the manager asked me a series of questions to know who I was, what I wanted a makhila for, how I came to know them, what it meant for me etc. But it was worth it. On the D-day, I took my dad to the workshop pretending a simple visit, and he received his present from them. Such a great time. Cheers. --Jibi44 (talk) 11:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I unfortunately have no idea how height and weight is used to determine the length and diameter, I suppose that it is part of the well-kept business secret (copies & fakes do great harm to luxuary business in France). All I can say is that my dad is 1,83 m. I can remember that the manager said that most of their overseas clients are from the US (meaning that someone must be able to understand written English), but they do not accept all orders (nasty Basque character ;-). If you still wish to order, the best way is to write a letter letting them know you height, weight (using the metric system), motto, motivations for buying & specific decoration + the different materials that you wish. --Jibi44 (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Good job!

On the typologies section at CSA. -PetraSchelm (talk) 01:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

CSA page

HI Legitimus

Thanks for starting the new section, a welcome improvement to the page. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 16:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It's a bit crude, but it's a start.Legitimus (talk) 15:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello - in cleaning up from the recent disruption, I reviewed your edit but was not able to figure out what had changed, so it ended up being lost. If it's something you feel is important, please adjust the current version to include your changes. Sorry about that... --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 04:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

on pedophilia treatment

Don't be surprised if you don't get any answers to your question regarding treatment for non-offending pedophiles. People don't like to admit they exist. They find it hard to demonize someone suffering from a such a condition but they don't want to help, they just wait with bated breath for the poor sod to self-destruct so they can pull out the torches and pitchforks.

I've looked a long time for treatment, I haven't found any. You heard of any, doc? Finite (talk) 06:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Where might one go to for said treatment? Finite (talk) 07:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank You. Finite (talk) 22:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for Comment

HI Legitimus: Thanks for your input on my suggestion to add an external link on child sexual abuse. I will wait a few more days and if no negative responses will add link.

Thanks again Ginerbread (talk) 22:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

hey on the Brown topic

yeah man i see what your saying about the "active campaign against satanists but really a deliverence ministry is frontline direct spiritual warfare with satan. What happens is they basically cast the demons that oppress you away but... I really believe it doesn't do too much because what is really happening is that the "shall we say" delivence'ee gets the demons cast out but unfortunately if they do not change their lifestyle they will have the demons return sevenfold (i would tell you where this is from but i am not a bible scholar yet haha) so yeah im not sure if that helped at all or opened you eyes and also what Elaine states in her book i have seen to some extent (except for the human sacrifices and Satan in physical manifistation) but other than that i have seen it. i was once heavily involved in the occult (you see i was bathed in blood and dedicated to satan as a child and i saw demons and talked to them for as long as i can remember and yeah first hand experiences it exists it really does but the whole regional bride of statan i have never really heard of. so yeah there you go —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.165.189.182 (talk) 03:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear. Would you please remember to take your clozapine? It really does work but you need to take it on time and consistently. 150mg in the morning and the evening. Stick with it, and you'll be using capitalization and spell-check in no time at all. Legitimus (talk) 12:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Ephebophilia#Editor placing neutral point of view tag on article

Your comments on this matter would be much appreciated. Flyer22 (talk) 22:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Infobox added in Captain Alatriste

This is a stock message to a number of people who have contributed to the article on the ‘’book’’ series of Captain Alatriste as an FYI. I have added a character infobox to the article. If you have time, enter the edit function in article and fill in appropriate information after the = sign. Fill in only what you think applies, but please leave all fields there. If nothing comes after the = sign, then it won’t appear in the article. On the other hand, if someone DOES think the field applies, they can add pertinent info. I do understand that this is technically a series article and not a character article. I’ve added the info box because 1) the series does revolve around Alatriste in large part and 2) the box really does improve what little is on the article right now. If a character article is created, we can copy and paste over. IMHO (talk) 03:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Ephebophilia

Sometimes diagnosed as a disorder

Hey, Legitimus, does the second reference you provided for that new addition state ages? I'm having a difficult time believing that experts would consider a sexual preference for late teenagers, such as 17, 18, and 19-year-olds a disorder. People are confused enough on this subject. Hebephilia should be stated as sometimes being diagnosed as a disorder before ephebophilia is. We do not state Transsexualism as a disorder in the lead (it mentions diagnosis but not disorder), even though transsexualism is listed as a disorder. Well, as we know, ephebophilia is not truly listed as a disorder. I do not see what good can come out of stating that "ephebophilia can sometimes be diagnosed as a disorder"... I mean, forgive my being passionate about this, but I have dealt with enough misinformed people (not you, of course) on the subject of what pedophilia is and ephebophilia is, such as parents actually having the nerve to call a 20-year-old a pedophile just because that 20-year-old was dating their 17-year-old daughter. Or people feeling that a 30-something year old man is pedophi-lish or "sick in the head" for dating a 19-year-old. I mean, tell that to Hugh Hefner.

I feel that the lead needs to be worded in a way that it does not leave people with the sense that ephebophilia is truly a disorder. Right now, I am going to tweak the lead away from stating the specific ages (15-19) and rather to simply state mid to late adolescents solely; it leaves people with more freedom to determine what they consider late adolescents without saying, "Hey, a sexual preference for 19-year-olds could be considered a disorder. Flyer22 (talk) 21:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

User talk:James Cantor#Original research in Ephebophilia article?. You might want to weigh in on this, since it is about the paragraph you mostly constructed in that article. Flyer22 (talk) 22:36, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Adolescent age

A certain IP/editor keeps changing the age range in the Ephebophilia article, insisting on my talk page that adolescence generally ends at age 14. I am not sure where he got his information, but he cannot keeping changing the definition simply because he disagrees with it. I explained at User talk:Flyer22#Adolescent age, but this may not be the end of it. Flyer22 (talk) 21:44, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Damnatio memoriae

Hi Legitimus - I saw your comment about damnatio memoriae on another talk page, so I looked up the topic. It has an interesting history. Sort of like the Misplaced Pages version at WP:SHUN. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 21:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, didn't know about WP:SHUN. I'll remember that.Legitimus (talk) 02:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

fyi...

Hi Legitimus, you may be interested in viewing this at ANI: . --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 02:24, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Sources

Please take a look at this page history. On that topic, since it's so specialized, some sources that might not be reliable on a more general topic may be OK within that local context. But the problematic self-published source that has has been previously removed from several other articles remains unreliable on any page. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 01:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Another couple topics, another agenda-IP: Would you please take a look at these contribs? The IP is probably dynamic or a Tor/Proxy, so some contribs might not show up in that list. It would probably be a good idea to also keep an eye on all related articles. Thanks. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 18:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Fringe/undue...

Hi - your input is welcome here... Thanks. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 04:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the new info and sources, that part of the topic has much better context now. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 17:53, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

We know who it is...

...so should we report him? Or not unless he continues to do this? Flyer22 (talk) 02:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know, the troll very recently decided to send me and some others a "friendly message" on my talk page. I'm going to report this to the administrator who was involved in that discussion, and see what he does. I am beyond tired of this troll, even though I have not heard from him in months. I do not take well whatsoever to being called a pedophile or a pedophile-pusher. Flyer22 (talk) 23:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Adolescence#Image debate: Image:A boy in the mirror.jpg vs. Image:Adolescentboy.jpg.

Hey, Legitimus. I am not expecting you to agree with me simply because we sometimes work together, but I need your help on this matter. Will you respond on it? I need a sufficient number of opinions about this; I am the main person editing this article, as well as the main person keeping it free of vandalism. The talk page is not active. I have asked some other editors to respond on this matter as well, but I am not sure how many of them will show up to do so. Any assistance you can provide on this would be much appreciated by me. Flyer22 (talk) 06:52, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

I wish you the best, Legitimus. Flyer22 (talk) 17:44, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Revictimization and Rationalization

Thanks very much for your text on revictimization. It seems to tie in quite well with "Self-image of victimisation" and "Self-victimisation". If I could find a decent source I would add text on the revictimization of bully victims as well.

If you can spare the time, please can you have a look at the dispute here: Talk:Rationalization (fallacy) --Penbat (talk) 18:36, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

One of the sources I added has some material on bullying. I'll read it in more detail. For "self-victimization" I recommend working in matters related to malingering and factitious disorder (known popularly as "Münchausen syndrome"). Self-harm may warrant a look, though I'm not sure it fits with the model of the article.Legitimus (talk) 02:11, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Self-victimisation redirects to Victim playing which mentions "Münchausen syndrome" which is a type of attention seeking. Self-harm is not necessarily attention seeking but probably ought to be mentioned in victim playing. Victim playing currently has more emphasis on victim playing as a ploy used by abusers and manipulators.--Penbat (talk) 11:12, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

exaggeration

Thanks for looking at this. Bizarre that "exaggeration" had not been done before. I have changed it from "exaggeration (psychology)" to just "exaggeration". The current redirect from exaggeration to "hyperbole" was inadequate. It is a very interesting subject. I want to tighten it up in the sandbox for the whole of March before unleashing it. Feel free to contribute as you wish. --Penbat (talk) 15:55, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing. I'll be adding stuff as I find it.Legitimus (talk) 17:11, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I have just put it in mainspace as exaggeration as I think it had matured sufficiently. Please "watch" it and feel free to improve it.--Penbat (talk) 16:09, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Victims who become abusers

Another very important topic that needs covering (maybe in a Victim article and the abuse article) is the phenomina of victims turning abuser. I think this is covered in individual abuse articles but should be pulled together in 1 place. One obvious suggested mechanism for this is that for some victims the abuse may seem like normalised behaviour to them. Do you know any relevant academic terminology for "Victims who become abusers" so i can do some google searching on this? Related to this in some way is the mess here: Malignant_narcissism#Victimology. Personality disorders are obviously not contagious like an infection but in some cases, presumably through normalisation, PD traits get passed onto others.--Penbat (talk) 10:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

That's an interesting topic. While I don't know of an agreed upon catch all for this, "abused becomes the abuser" is a good string. Also "intergenerational transmission of violence/abuse" is good, as well as "cycle of violence/abuse."Legitimus (talk) 13:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. It does tie into Cycle of abuse but Cycle of abuse is another weak area of Misplaced Pages that needs sorting out as well. I have started a sandbox on this User:Penbat/intergenerational_transmission_of_abuse. No rush but pleaae add any relevant info you come across.--Penbat (talk) 13:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Nice work.

I very much liked your improved summary of Krafft-Ebing in pedophilia.
— James Cantor (talk) 23:41, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that means a lot coming from you. I don't consider myself a great "primary writer" so there are no doubt some proofreading and corrections that may be needed.Legitimus (talk) 20:03, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

DSM issues

Hi. :) If you and your copy of DSM are available at some point, SandyGeorgia has requested a review of Tic disorder at the CP listing. I hate to keep an article in limbo if there's no issues at all. --Moonriddengirl 22:51, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate your assistance, especially with those articles in which no problem existed. Shame to blank them for no reason. --Moonriddengirl 13:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Sibling abuse

Hi Legitimus

What do you think of this article -- Sibling abuse ? To me it seems like the statistics may be incorrect or incorrectly interpreted, and it's almost all from one source that's not so strong. I wonder if there is enough there for a full article, or if it might be better handled with a merge to Child-on-child sexual abuse. Whether it's merged or not, over time it would be good if we can improve the factual info and the sources. No hurry, just thought you might want to check it out. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 05:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

minimisation (psychology) and exaggeration dispute.

If you can spare the time please can you comment on the dispute at Talk:Minimisation_(psychology) "Edits by User:Jojalozzo here and in exaggeration" section

thx --Penbat (talk) 21:53, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Hebephilia#Karen Franklin

Up for weighing in on the above linked topic? Flyer22 (talk) 14:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit reviewing tool

Hi Legitimus

I hope you don't mind, I added your name to this list:

User talk:Risker#Editors who should have Autoreviewer/Edit reviewer activated ASAP

It looks like your reviewer status was activated today.

(User rights log); 16:44 . . Amalthea (talk | contribs) changed rights for User:Legitimus from (none) to Reviewers (trusted user)

The trial of the reviewing feature is just getting started. It might not apply to articles you're working on, but in case something comes up you'll have the needed tool.

More info here: Misplaced Pages:Reviewing

--Jack-A-Roe (talk) 17:38, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

intergenerational transmission of abuse

I intend spending the next couple of weeks developing this in my sandbox before unleashing as an article: User:Penbat/intergenerational transmission of abuse

Feel free to add any useful constructive material.--Penbat (talk) 09:09, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts on this. I havent made as much progress as yet as i would have liked on User:Penbat/intergenerational transmission of abuse partly because i have got sidetracked doing some other articles in my sandboxes (see User:Penbat). I do want to push forwards on User:Penbat/intergenerational transmission of abuse but am also spending time on other fascinating articles. One very interesting topic i stumbled upon is User:Penbat/social undermining. Other things i am looking at at present include: User:Penbat/professional abuse and User:Penbat/Setting up to fail.--Penbat (talk) 20:48, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Many thanksJacobisq (talk) 08:09, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again re email-still lots of neat tricks to learn!Jacobisq (talk) 03:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

intergenerational transmission of abuse v cycle of abuse

"intergenerational transmission of abuse" seems to overlap with cycle of abuse but cycle of abuse strangely currently just covers what Lenore Walker means by cycle of abuse which is cycles between individual instances of abuse which seems quite meaningless to me. Also we have cycle of violence which actually has quite a lot more google hits than cycle of abuse. Is "intergenerational transmission of abuse" the same as cycle of abuse in which case would one article cover both ?--Penbat (talk) 19:49, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

The term cycle of abuse as used in that article is popular in the US with lay-person domestic violence education. One flaw to that article I might add is that there are a lot of derivatives that do not necessarily originate from Walker. Rather the general concept is just that abusers often hit someone, then apologize and try to make up for it, only to lose control again at a later time in a cyclical fashion. A undeniably observed pattern, but as noted not all abusive relationships function in this pattern.

I feel "cycle of abuse" (or at least the meaning used by Walker and others) should remain distinct since it is a separate concept, referring to a pattern rather than transmission. "Cycle of violence" may be worthy of development and interconnection, though is a very broad term referring to many different things, and can include things as large as warfare. "Intergenerational" is fine but does imply a a child victim who grows up to adulthood before becoming an abuser. So cycle of violence may be a better place to start if you wanted cover transmitting abusive behavior as a whole concept, inclusive of intergenerational.Legitimus (talk) 20:24, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Happy Legitimus's Day!

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Barnstar

You certainly have patience to go with your erudition to put up with That Dreadful Woman. I just don't have the patience for these people anymore, but I'm sure glad that someone does. Herostratus (talk) 03:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		The Defender of the Wiki barnstar, awarded to Legitimus for tireless application of erudite scholarship and cold logic in difficult and fraught subject areas to defend the Misplaced Pages from being hustled down dark paths of danger and error. Herostratus (talk) 03:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Previous rewrite of Etymology and history

Hey, Legitimus. Do you have access to the stuff we had about Krafft-Ebing in the Etymology and history section before your rewrite? I believe that section would benefit from some of that being added back. Flyer22 (talk) 17:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean the sources? I didn't remove any during that rewrite as far as I know. In fact, there really only is one source, Psychopathia Sexualis. And it's public domain due to being over a century old.

By the way, I took Pedophilia off my watchlist temporarily for a breather.Legitimus (talk) 21:36, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

You said "re-write based on source material"...which led me to believe some of the stuff you removed isn't in Psychopathia Sexualis. I've never read that whole thing. Are you saying quotes such as "The sexual interest is toward prepubescent youths only. This interest does not extend to the first signs of pubic hair." is in Psychopathia Sexualis? I simply cannot remember if it specifies that much.

As for taking a breather, I understand. I don't even look at my watchlist anymore, haven't for quite some time. But, at the moment, it is only one editor constantly posting talk page stuff we generally disagree with. We've been through worse, LOL. As long as you don't abandon the article completely, I'm fine with your breather. Flyer22 (talk) 15:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

That quote you just used as an example is not in Psychopathia Sexualis, at least not in the translations I have read (the original is in Latin and German). Frankly I have no idea where some of the sentences that were there before my rewrite came from, which is why I removed them.

Btw, have you considered linking you account to an e-mail? Some conversations are best not left out in public and permanently recorded.Legitimus (talk) 16:08, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying; that's probably why I don't remember reading them.

My account is already linked to my email. Flyer22 (talk) 18:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Jack missing in action

Any idea where Jack is? I have never missed him so much, LOL. I would try to contact him through email, but, even as an experienced Misplaced Pages editor, I have no idea how to. I already looked at WP:Emailing users and do not see the option they mentioned...on any user page. Flyer22 (talk) 17:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Legitimus, have you gotten my emails? I'd like to talk with you about a few things. Flyer22 (talk) 19:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I only got the one copied message, but nothing else.Legitimus (talk) 01:24, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for letting me know. I only sent you two (maybe three) emails anyway. Another editor cited some kind of problem sending me a message -- BigString.com not recognizing me or something like that. I'll try and figure out what's wrong. Just be on the lookout for any emails from me; hopefully, all will make it to you. I had just figured you were more of a "read and typically remain silent unless an emergency" kind of guy, LOL. Flyer22 (talk) 19:21, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Postpartum psychosis

I noticed that this article was "radically overhauled" by a contributor who seems to have cut and pasted two other substantial articles on the same subject. Would you be able to check his contributions for copyvio? Rich Farmbrough, 00:22, 14 October 2010 (UTC).

Certainly but could you be more specific? I don't see to many major changes for a while on this article.Legitimus (talk) 20:04, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

"parental abuse by children" and "Body language cues of psychopath targets".

Hi i am steadily working through my To do list on User:Penbat. 2 very interesting subjects i need info on is:

• "parental abuse by children" ref Growing levels of concern from parents and carers experiencing aggression from their children WHEN FAMILY LIFE HURTS: Family experience of aggression in children - Parentline plus 31 October 2010 - also childhood aggression is not very good on Wikpedia.
• Towards the end of the video "I Psychopath" available on youtube, there is an interview with psychologist Angela Book who has researched the quote from Ted Bundy that he can tell that somebody has been previously abused and would make a good target by the way they tilt their head. Book set up an experiment of film clips each showing a different person walking but with 1 person who had suffered child abuse. Book noted that that 1 person tended to walk with an unconventional gait such as arms out of synch with legs. Book asked psychopaths and non-psychopaths to try to guess the person walking who had been abused and the psychopaths got a significantly higher success rate than non-psychopaths. It looks like psychopaths are often sensitive to body language cues to select victims. I think this ties in with revictimisation.

Can you find me any useful material on these ?--Penbat (talk) 19:44, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

The latter is very interesting! I will see what I can do for both.Legitimus (talk) 20:46, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Here are Angela Book's papers. I'm working on obtaining the full copy.

• Book, A.S., Quinsey, V.L., & Langford, D. (2007). Psychopathy and the perception of affect and vulnerability. Criminal Justice and Behavior, 34(4), 531-544.

  Wheeler, S., Book, A.S., & Costello, K. (2009). Psychopathic traits and perceptions of victim vulnerability. Criminal Justice and Behavior, 36(6), 635-648.

Thx. The Angela Book interview can be seen about a minute into http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhpXdpgHcMM&NR=1 Im not sure precisely what Bundy's throwaway line is - I cant hear it properly. I think something can be added to psychopathy and victimisation articles about this.--Penbat (talk) 10:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Also see How a psychopath spots a victim (talk) 13:17, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, sorry about the delay, I have been pretty busy lately. I finally got a full copy of Book's 2009 study which seems to be the most relevant and the latest in this area of research. An excellent read. Nothing new of note though that you did not mention above, except maybe that Book notes some limitations to her study.

Regarding children victimizing parents, I did find these articles . I also found a lot of research was pretty old, from "back in the day" when it was acceptable to beat the tar out of kids because they were "wayward" and "attacked" the parent first. There is a perverse irony in this antiquated stance when compared this modern article that indicates child violence towards the parent is brought about by the parent's violence towards the child in the first place.Legitimus (talk) 03:01, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Sycophancy

Thanks for your previous help. I am working my way through my "to do list" in an inconsistent manner. I will get back to the previous things you helped me with at some point.

Anyway, one thing that needs doing is a brief write up on the psychology and sociology of sycophancy. I have only found one decent sounding academic source "Clark LP A Psychological Study of Sycophancy. Psychoanalytic Review 21:15-39 (1934)". If you have access to this source or know of anything else relevant, can you write a few sentences in Sycophancy#Psychology and sociology of sycophancy ? Thanks. Incidentally there is a book called "Silbermann, Alphons & Lob, Ladislaus, Grovelling and Other Vices: The Sociology of Sycophancy (2000)" but it is unrelated garbage.--Penbat (talk) 16:23, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Adult grooming

There is no doubt that adult grooming is a valid concept. The basic psychology is the same as child grooming, just the contexts differ. Anyway, I have no refs in adult grooming. Do you know of any suitable refs I could use ? --Penbat (talk) 17:15, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Talk:Angel of Mercy (criminology)#Article title altered from "serial killer" to "criminology"

Hey, Legitimus. Good to see you again. Moments ago, I just noticed your change of this title, and came to ask you to help me understand your reason for the title change. Flyer22 (talk) 09:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Map-Ages of consent in North America

Hi. I see you've added the new map from User:Magnoliasouth. It's very good, but it has a little problem: the age of consent is 13 in the Mexican states of Yucatán and Zacatecas, see here-Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Local_laws. So the map should be modified there - these 2 states should be colored with that blue shade and the legend of the map should be modified, currently it says "13 (none at present)" so the "none at present" should be deleted. Maybe you could do this? I'm not very sure how to do it myself. Thanks.123username (talk) 22:19, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Laws regarding rape article

Legitimus, would you mind taking a look at this article and letting me know what you think of it? I feel that the lead has become problematic, as addressed in the Talk:Laws regarding rape#The lead is still problematic section (and the discussions above that). The lead doesn't even define rape right off the bat (which isn't that difficult to define, in my opinion, since a simple "sex or sexual activity without consent" will suffice), and goes into all these legal aspects that would better fit in the body of the article; for example, the lead is too long, per WP:LEAD.

I feel that it needs the eyes of other editors, besides mine and the editor whose edits for the lead I object to. I told him I would back off the lead for now, but that doesn't mean I won't ask for others' opinions on it. I've already taken the matter to some of the main associated WikiProjects, but they didn't care much to respond (at least in regards to this article; defining rape in the Rape article got decent attention, but, then again, that was mainly due to a large discussion about merging Rape and Sexual assault). WikiProjects in general haven't been much help these days anyway. Thank you for considering this, as I know you will, even if you decide to pass on weighing in. Flyer22 (talk) 14:02, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Pack of pedophiles

I notice that accounts and users claiming to be pedophiles are now pretty common at YouTube. For example 4boysonic and his 100 friends. Does this mean the disease is becoming more accepted by people and that now kids are much more at risk when they surf internet unsupervised? Rapidspacezzz (talk) 18:37, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

We know you because you are a contributor to the pages about pedophilia and are an expert on the psychology side of that. I asked the question above because there were people on a forum who were wondering if Misplaced Pages is as evil as those NAMBLA or Boychat sites, since there was little regulation on pro-pedophile content. It appears that YouTube now surpasses Misplaced Pages by over 9000 miles as a booth for pro-pedophile propaganda, as evidenced by the presence of those channels which are still live today (despite people reporting them to YouTube staff). Pointeager111 (talk) 13:25, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see; you're with them. That cool. Well, all I can tell you is here on Misplaced Pages I and several other non-admin users have been "fighting the good fight" for a few years now, and it seems ok now for the past year or so, far as I can tell. There's been relatively little interference from such people here and all the ones I know about have been banned by administrators or members the Arbitration Committee. You get the odd blowhard on a talk page here and there, but they don't fool anyone with their rhetoric and get crushed pretty easily. I suspect that the higher-ups like Jimbo were upset at some bad press WP was getting, and decided to put a policy in place behind the scenes. Misplaced Pages isn't a chat or social site, but rather the danger here is factual articles being altered in some a manner as to suit certain social agenda.

Sites that hold ideals of freedom of speech and absence of censorship like YouTube are noble, but also carry risks as you can see. I'm not a big YouTube user so I can't say if the site is just too big to manage for things like the users you mentioned, or if the policy of the site just has too many holes.Legitimus (talk) 16:35, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Sexual predator#The most ridiculous thing is.../women not sexual predators

I'm not sure what to make of this editor's opinion. And it's most definitely an opinion. Anyway, just figured I'll alert you to it...as you may have something beneficial to say on the matter. Plus, though the article is locked, you may be interested in looking after it/later expanding it Flyer22 (talk) 07:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Hebephilia#"Boys begin puberty generally at ages 12-13"

Perhaps you can help me understand the conflicting age ranges? I'm so confused about it right now, it's not even funny, LOL. Flyer22 (talk) 19:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Serial killer#Maintaining a difference between serial killers and serial murderers

I know that I've been bugging you lately, but that's because you are a good editor, I trust you, and you have resources that I don't. Maybe you have access to some of the books I mention in the section above about serial killers?

I am starting to worry about the examples of "serial killing" being added to the Serial killer article, seeing as not all individuals who have killed more than two or three people can be accurately termed "serial killers" -- at least not by the usual definition. Flyer22 (talk) 16:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Child pornography article

You still watching this article? Someone has placed a neutrality tag on it, per this discussion: Talk:Child pornography#Pornography = abuse??. I'll alert Herostratus of it as well, preferably through email (seeing as some antagonists hang out at his talk page). Flyer22 (talk) 01:05, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually I did not have it in my list. Thanks for alerting me.Legitimus (talk) 01:59, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Any opinions on the recent comments about it? You okay with this edit? Flyer22 (talk) 07:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Ewawer#Pedophilia, sexual orientation and sexual preference

Just alerting you of this discussion, in case you have anything to add and before it hits the Pedophilia talk page (if it does). Flyer22 (talk) 08:47, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

The age of consent edit warring

I don't know what to do about RJR3333 and all his edits regarding age of consent-related articles. They are erratic, sloppy, careless and generally unsourced. And Malke 2010 certainly isn't making it any easier. Perhaps you wouldn't mind weighing in at Talk:Chris Hansen#"Age of consent.", where Malke is claiming that age of consent doesn't exist in the United States and is essentially a misleading term? Flyer22 (talk) 07:06, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I know you watch the Ages of consent in North America article or occasionally do. And I have to say...this edit by RJR3333 was reckless -- removing a sourced History section discussing the history of a term simply because he doesn't like it or because his edits were removed from it -- and I told him as much on his talk page. This editor needs some serious tutoring on the ways of Misplaced Pages. But until he gets that and gets better, if he does at all, his edits will need to be watched. I'm going to make sure to keep an eye on these articles when I can...and on RJR3333's editing. Flyer22 (talk) 22:14, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Suicide by cop

Sorry to disagree, but examples in fiction for many things are also "too numerous and often not properly defined or portrayed." In Falling Down, however, a suicide by cop is clearly portrayed. 201.36.232.9 (talk) 20:02, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Hmm

I haven't been watching the Rind article very closely because.... well, because I don't want to. But regarding User:Radvo, I noticed this link on his userpage: Everything you wanted to know about The Rind Controversy MHAMic. The site doesn't load, but here's a page about MHAMic (it's a wiki and so not reliable but is still a a starting point) which then mentions something called "B4U-ACT", which has a website here, and here's a news story about that.

Hmm, this does not look like it will probably end well. That is almost certainly not an acceptable link for a userpage, but I haven't removed it or asked the user to remove it because I think that other events may supercede that. But since you said you were kicking it upstairs, just making you aware of that link on the userpage (which I suppose you're already aware of). Good luck and let me know if there's anything I can do. Herostratus (talk) 03:44, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Legitimus: Here is a starting point for the Heather Ulrich et al. article you seek. Maybe you will find this link useful until the time you get your hard copy of the same. Ulrich is an important article because it very much softens the bite of the criticisms about Rind's methodology and use of statistics, (that are overplayed IMHO in the Misplaced Pages article.) Replication in this case was not easy because she was unable to make contact with Dr. Rind et al.; but her work was certainly confirmation of the statistics. Radvo (talk) 06:31, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks but is that posted there with permission from the author? It does not seem to be, and that makes that site in violation of copyright. I'd rather get a legally obtained (and guaranteed unaltered) copy.Legitimus (talk) 11:51, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Invite

I invite you to comment here Pass a Method talk 11:17, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Comment?

Could you have a look at this section and provide an opinion? It's a sufficiently complex issue I'd like some input from other experienced editors. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 12:49, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Good lord. There's so much to slog through and it's never even in chronological order. Could you be more specific to the paragraph in question?Legitimus (talk) 21:12, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh my very, very bad. I meant this section! Very sorry. Basically I just want some input on whether it's a good idea to shorten, by a considerable margin, the criticisms made by Dallam. Essentially most, if not all, of the methodological criticisms made are baseless (so says Rind) so I see little point in including the back-and-forth. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 23:23, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment at the above. I'm not sure what can be done about COI as it is Misplaced Pages's Achilles heel, but I have been wondering about the source of the enthusiasm at that article, and your question had entered my mind. Johnuniq (talk) 01:36, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

board certified

Heh, nice little callout.

I wasn't sure, I asked my medstudent wife to verify that board certified != medical degree. I also stumbled across this list recently. Ouch. tedder (talk) 22:22, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah cool. My little bro is a resident though I have not asked him yet. This might start a little side project on media personalities with the title "Dr." and what their actual creds are.Legitimus (talk) 17:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

My sister, User:Flyer22

Thank you for supporting my sister. But I should have known that any support my sister gets would be countered by her enemies slinging mud at her.

She has spoken highly of you, and I sincerely thank you for being such a great co-worker to her. 210.51.43.82 (talk) 20:37, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I really hope she is alright. She contacted me right before privately. I know about Kim too, as I was part of that discussion. No friend to me either.Legitimus (talk) 00:54, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar for you!

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	Thanks for cleaning up the plot synopsis for Fifty Shades of Grey! It looks great!Tokyogirl79 (talk) 22:24, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

List of Defensive Gun Use Incidents

Thanks for your comment on the talk page of the new article. I agree there are definite issues with that source and its characterization of incidents, but I think it could still be a starting point for investigation into additional incidents.

In other news, the article has been nominated for deletion, and I thought you may want to comment. Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_defensive_gun_use_incidents Gaijin42 (talk) 13:23, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Dexter Holland

I wrote such a long edit summary and completely forgot to thank you for finding a source. Belated thanks. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 20:11, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Child protection#Sex Offenders

A discussion you may be interested in. 134.255.247.88 (talk) 06:58, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Female serial killers section of the Serial killer article

Hey, Legitimus. I know that you and Doc9871 probably feel that I have this under control, but any input that you think will be helpful would be greatly appreciated by me in this discussion. Flyer22 (talk) 20:29, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Second request

This is my second request for you to address the matter in my email. Jokestress (talk) 06:06, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I have never received an e-mail from you. And if it contained some kind of threat or vitriol, I don't care to see it anyway. Regardless, I have nothing further to say and will be staying away from that page entirely, and instead occupy myself elsewhere.Legitimus (talk) 11:52, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

User:Jokestress at Talk:Hebephilia, taken to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

Hey, Legitimus. I'm alerting you to this. Flyer22 (talk) 09:38, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Arbitration request notification

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests#Hebephilia and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for arbitration;
• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration guide.

Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 03:34, 30 January 2013 (UTC)