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hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.114.155 (talk) 02:34, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

1948-villages

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Re:Palestinian villages

Greetings Huldra! Yes, it's been too long. I think I fixed/added the coords for the most part (except for Sur Baher). You or someone else might want to double check them though. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:22, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Nisf Jubeil

Greetings Huldra, good to see you editing. Just wanted to thank you for expanding Nisf Jubeil. It looks like a decent article now. I went ahead and nominated it for DYK. See here. Feel free to make any changes to the hook (or completely changing it) if you like. And please stick around! I've been editing steady lately and it would be great if we could work on articles together like the good old days ;) Only if you have the time of course. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:28, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

That's good to hear. Fixed the Kitchener link and I'll try fixing those coords later today (I found a tool that could help us with accuracy). By the way if you have any info on Deir al-Balah, please add it to the article. It already passed the GA nomination, but the more the merrier. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:52, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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(edit conflict) Hello dear (and hi al ameer). Nice to see you back. Not doing too much these days myself, though User:Tiamut/Bayt Nuba is almost readyto move into mainspace. And I've recently taken a stab bring Palestinian costumes back to the evel of comprehensiveness it enjoyed before my close paraphrasing got it wiped out. Your help there is welcome as always. I see you added some stuff at Yaquq. You have been much missed. Hope your off wiki time was fulfilling and energizing. Kisses. Tiamut 19:55, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello both of you! At the moment I am "stalking" Al Ameer son ;) ...my ambition is to add all the 1596-data...I was a bit unexpected diverted the last 2-3 months on another (very rewarding!) project, so to speak. But that "project" is now mainly finished. I´ll just need someone to translate a couple of sentences for me into French, Nice seeing you both around, will try to help out on the Palestinian costumes again! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I actually came across the same picture yesterday, but I'm not sure of the copyright laws of the PA (or if they have any). You might want to drop a comment at Funkmonk's talk page. He'll probably be of help. It would be nice to include a picture. I wish we could find a free contemporary one. --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, Have done Huldra (talk) 23:57, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I think we could use it since its been over 51 years since the picture was taken. See the licensing of File:Bani Naim rebel arms.jpg. --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:14, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I saw that and added it to the DYK nom. I'll get cracking on those articles. ARIJ has a very informative profile on Salhab that we could use for contemporary stuff as well. On a separate note, do you have any info on the Hauran town of Sheikh Miskin (variations: "Maskin", "Shekh" "Shaykh")? Particularly by the Palestine Exploration Fund's SWP or Quarterly Statement? I'm trying to nominate the article for DYK but it's too small. I only got a snippet view from the SWP from google books. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:50, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, I tend to forget we have such a plethora of resources at our disposal (thanks to you). Actually I found it in the 1901 Quarterly Statement (not the SWP). If you find anything in Hutteroth that would be great ;) Also, is there anything about an-Naqura in the Ottoman tax record? --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll take a stab at Abdeen later too. As for those missing articles, please list as many as you can find. We'll flesh them out as we go while expanding the existing articles. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:05, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Started a draft page for Salhab here and added several towns and villages to the Jenin Governorate, including those that you mentioned. Also, I found a good amount of interesting info about Sheikh Miskin which is also spelled "Eshmiskin" apparently. Anyway, I'll be having a minor surgery tomorrow and may or may not be editing in the next few days depending on how I feel. I couldn't find info on al-Ammuriya (everything I found was about the one in Jordan), but if you manage to expand it more go ahead and nominate it for DYK. Same goes for Salhab. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:56, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Moved the draft to mainspace and expanded it a bit. I think it's ready for DYK, any ideas for a hook? --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:17, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Sumail

Do you have any information about Sumail or al-Sumayil, a small village the ruins of which can be seen on Ibn Gvirol St. in Tel Aviv? There seems to be a couple of Palestinian villages missing that now lie in the Tel Aviv area, Sumail being one of them. Abu Kabir has an article but is missing a destroyed villages infobox. Manshiyya, also in Jaffa area, is also missing an article. Tiamut 20:34, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

According to Khalidi, p.249, Al-Mas'udiyya was also known as Summayl. He also describes a nearby arched, steel bridge, called both Mas'udiyya and Summayl bridge. Khalidi only mentions Abu Kabir in passing, as a "Jaffa suburb". One village which is missing, however, is Atlit, under Haifa District. I don´t know why that one isn´t in the infobox? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm... too much to do, too little time. Looking forward to seeing you get Weir for Palestinian costumes. So glad to have you back. Tiamut 18:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Sanjak Nablus villages

Hey Huldra, could you add the details from the 1596 stats to the Talluza page? I already got a sliver from Zertal about the population. I think we could flesh that article out to 5x expansion for DYK. Could you also add the 1596 stats to Tubas and Tammun whenever you have the chance. I don't know how you want to tackle the task of adding the Ottoman tax records to all the villages of Palestine, but I suggest we focus on one liwa at a time like greater Nablus for example. What do you think? --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:26, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I have added what I found for Talluza, but it is not a DYK yet. (Some formatting is needed, though! + Crown -ref is missing) I guess we could add more from Robinson and Guerin (if you read French?) The direct links to the sources are now in the article.

Tubas and Tammun are on my "to do" list; I´ll get back to them. I had thought of adding the Hütteroth and Abdulfattah one page at a time; but that is really inconvenient. Now, what can be quite difficult to find is the Guerin-refs: he uses names on the villages which sometimes are spelled very differently from present-day spelling. The only (sure) way to find all the villages he writes about is "to walk" in his footsteps on the maps (eg. the SWP-maps), then add refs to him to the villages he visits on the way. So that might be one way to proceed, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:08, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Tubas: Samarie 1, 357-59: Thoubas; SWP Il. 229: (from Dauphin, location is correct). Tammun probably "Tamoun" Samarie I, 257. (didn't check much). Zero 00:45, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Nisf Jubeil

On 27 July 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nisf Jubeil, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that in 1207 the Palestinian village Nisf Jubeil was a possession of the Knights Hospitaller called "Casale Seingebis"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nisf Jubeil. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Good to see you back again. I see Eric Barbour is still his old self though.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:18, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I was supposed to be back in April, but then I got diverted ... my ambition here is to add all the 1596-daftar data to the different villages...eventually! And EB is ...EB. (I am not to happy about seeing you start all these new BLPs though.... :-/ ) Cheers, best of luck (& no more BLPs? Please?) Huldra (talk) 21:28, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Zanuta

Could you have a look at my note on Al Ameer's page, and advise there if places like Zanuta, Debir etc., could be described in a collective article on the khirbeh villages there? Thanks Huldra.Nishidani (talk) 15:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I haven´t looked into the particular khirbets yet, but if Al Ameer (or anyone else) start a page, I will (promise!) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:28, 1 August 2012 (UTC)  

Lots on Khirbet Zanuta in SWP; feel free to expand it! (Links are in article) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 01:03, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Nice finds, I'll get to work on it later tonight or tomorrow. Also, see the update at my talkpage if you haven't already regarding the other khirbehs slated for demolition. --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:42, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Salhab

On 30 July 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Salhab, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Palestinian village of Salhab is identified with "Bezeq" in the Book of Samuel where Saul gathered his army to defend Jabesh-Gilead? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Salhab. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 16:03, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Talluza

On 10 August 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Talluza, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that archaeological finds revealed that the Palestinian village Talluza was the ancient Samaritan town of Turluzeh, not the biblical-era Tirzah as identified by 19th-century scholars? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Talluza. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Khirbet Zanuta

On 11 August 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Khirbet Zanuta, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that residents of the Iron Age village of Khirbet Zanuta near Hebron achieved a revision of the planned demolition of their dwellings by the Israeli military authorities? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Khirbet Zanuta. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 08:04, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Village profiles

Just an FYI, ARIJ now has profiles on the towns and villages of the Jericho and Jerusalem Governorates in addition to Hebron, Bethlehem and Tubas. See Jerusalem Profile, Jericho Profile. And even better, there developing the village profiles for the Ramallah and al-Bireh Governorate. See Ramallah Profile (not ready yet). Also, I tried to find some info on Raba, Rama, Siris, Madama and Falamya but had little luck beyond some Biblical dictionaries and personal diaries centering on the I/P conflict. Let me know if you're ready to work on any particular place. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:19, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! That is good news, though they are not always very strong on history. I wouldn´t mind some help expanding Qarawat Bani Hassan, it could actually make a DYK..and we could use the old pictures from SWP of the monuments, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:06, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Great, I'll take a stab at it. No they're not too strong on history, very general for the most part. They're value is in everything else like the economy, demographics, education, land use and infrastructure, all major components for a GA. Also, as we're working on Qarawat Bani Hassan, do you have anything on Bani Zeid (Deir Ghassana, Beit Rima or the tribe)? --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Not much on the tribe, but both Deir Ghassana and Beit Rima were 1596 places, + both are mentioned in Dauphin =yes, lots! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I haven't found much on Bani Hassan, other than a couple of sentences about some of the effects of the I/P conflict (and of course the basic demographics stats). I doubt that we can bring it to a DYK unless you have an enormous hoard of information. Too bad since we also lost the lost opportunity with Sinjil (which now has an ARIJ profile). As for the Bani Zeid towns, that's great to hear! We could add to it now or later when ARIJ finishes the profile on it. I'm thinking with this new potential information we could have ourselves another GA in the making. Maybe al-Fasayil and Sinjil too. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:42, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey; there is an enormous hoard of information on Qarawat Bani Hassan...in the SWP links given under the "Archeology" and the "Deir ed Derb"-sections! Including drawings of the 1st century (?) Deir ed Derb-structure ...which we could use (methinks). I have just gotten to distracted by other things.... I will try to continue expanding later tonight,

Also, I would like to update places I see you have done a lot on, (like Jifna) -but are still missing their 1596-and SWP-data. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 14:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Well forgive me then I spoke too soon ;) Add what you have and I'll try to find some info myself. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:23, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, Qarawat Bani Hassan doesn´t seem to make a DYK after all....unless we fill in a lot about the I/P-conflict. Ah well, at least it makes a decent little article now, me thinks! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:57, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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Najran, Syria

Salam Huldra. I've been working on Syrian towns again and noticed you might have information on Najran, Syria. If you have time, could you add that info in. I plan on nominating it for DYK. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:46, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that I´m not completely sure that it is Najran, as I do not have accurate maps over the area. ..I´ll ask if Zero has some, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 06:26, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I have a very good feeling that its the same Najran since the Ottoman nahiya also includes Shahba and Majadil, all places that are close by. Also there's only one Najran in the area, except for Deir Najran which is next to Bosra. Let me know when you get the confirmation. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:40, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Just did! Thanks to Zero, who sent me some maps of Syria. Will add to Najran, Syria in some moment, and then I will start expanding the last pages on User:Huldra/HA (=those in Syria), Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Huldra, we have three days for Najran before DYK but I think there's enough info at the moment to at least nominate it. I'm glad so many Hauran villages are covered by Hutteroth-Abdelfattah. --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:12, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

A pleasure! I am filling in the Hauran villages in User:Huldra/HA now. Please feel free to suggest any village it is..with the maps Zero sent me, I can verify it (or not). Cheers, Huldra (talk) 01:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I suggested a few, but many don't have articles yet and have different English variations. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:27, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Please, please do suggest any you want. I will concentrate on adding the names (and grid-no.) tonight, but tomorrow, or the day after, I will start checking, with the help of my new "Levant-maps". I will concentrate on those which have an article: if I have a latitude and longitude position, then I can "confirm" (or not) if it is the correct place. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 03:48, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

(indent) Hi Huldra, Thanks a lot, that's a fantastic list. I'll help with suggesting names, and I'll put a Google Maps link to the modern locality for you to compare. Yazan (talk) 04:02, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Ok, wonderful. If I get a latitude and longitude position, then I´m "saved". Also; remember, there are lots of typos in HA; they sometime write 7- (=ie; "the place was not inhabited at the end of the British Mandate"...when in fact it was. See eg. here. I have also found several places where there is a 7+ (="the place was inhabited at the end of the British Mandate" )...when I can find no such proof of that, see p. 188. Proceed with caution! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 04:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Huldra. Thanks a lot for the list. I think it'll come quite handy. Is it possible to email me the maps though, perhaps I can help in matching the towns with modern maps that have Arabic names? also, could you check Muzayrib, I think you may have some information on it (it was an important Ottoman outpost on the Hajj caravan route). We have just about enough for DYK, but I'd like to flesh it out a bit more. Thanks a lot, again! Yazan (talk) 16:23, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Yazan: you got mail. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 01:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Tafas

On 9 September 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tafas, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that according to T. E. Lawrence, the Syrian town of Tafas was the site of an infamous massacre perpetrated by retreating Ottoman troops during World War I? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tafas. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Al-Shaykh Saad

Hi Huldra. I think you may have some information about the town Al-Shaykh Saad (mz30 Sayh Sad 7+ (247/249)). Do you mind expanding it a bit? It's a fascinating little town btw! It's my (and the rest of Syria's) ignorance of places like this which makes me almost inconsolable sometimes! Yazan (talk) 15:55, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Done. Hope you don´t mind me changing to the refs to archive.org instead of google? Btw, p. 187 has a picture which could be used. And about history: yes, not only this place, or Syria, I see the same for the history of the Palestinian villages and town....Cheer, and if there are any other place I can help with: dont hesitate to ask. Huldra (talk) 22:48, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Huldra. Added the photo you suggested. Btw, do take a look at Adwan, Syria. You might have some info on it from "mz37 Udwan 7+ (243/247)". Cheers. Yazan (talk) 07:56, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Done, Huldra (talk) 23:56, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Page needing your attention

Almost no pre-1948 history: Al-Issawiya. Hutteroth p162. Cheers. Zero 19:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC) (very very far from home at the moment)

Will do next. I have the Hutteroth-book (with the huge maps) on loan from the library for the moment. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 19:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC) PS: I hope you mean Hutteroth p122?

Oops, yes, p122. Zero 20:53, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Done, for now, anyway. Huldra (talk) 21:48, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Najran

On 13 September 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Najran, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the village of Najran in Syria was named after the Najran of South Arabia, whose inhabitants, the Balharith, fled to Syria in the 520s? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Yngvadottir (talk) 00:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Great work on the Arraba, Jenin article

Thanks Huldra for the major effort.

a)So far we have failed to have the article mention the village's history from 1947 to the present (the 1948 war, the Jordanian rule, the Israeli rule, the Palestinian Authority). You think you can help with that?

b)I am not sure in what language is ‘Arrabah supposed to mean 'a steppe' (surely not Arabic; that is unless Palmer has accepted the folk etymology of the word--namely >modern local dialect ‘a rabyeh ("on a steppe)").--What's_the_big_deal?! 18:23, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Glad you liked it! I will address the particular issues on the talk-page, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 19:12, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Al-Shaykh Saad

On 23 September 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Al-Shaykh Saad, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that al-Shaykh Saad in the Hauran region of Syria was mentioned by several Christian scholars and pilgrims, including Eusebius, Egeria and Jerome, as the town of St. Job? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Shaykh Saad. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Yngvadottir (talk) 21:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mahajjah

On 29 September 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mahajjah, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that according to local Muslim tradition, the prophet Muhammad leaned against a stone in the southern Syrian town of Mahajjah? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mahajjah. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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DYK for Deir al-Bukht

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DYK for Ghabaghib

On 4 November 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ghabaghib, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Ottoman sultan Selim I ordered construction of a tower in Ghabaghib, a stop on the hajj route from Damascus? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ghabaghib. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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DYK for Al-Qurayya

On 6 November 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Al-Qurayya, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that during the Great Syrian Revolt of 1925, al-Qurayya served as the chief meeting place for the sheikhs of local rebel clans? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Qurayya. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Ramallah-area villages

Greetings Huldra, the important contemporary and infrastructure stats for the Ramallah District villages are now available. Whenever you're ready, I say we start work on Bani Zeid (Deir Ghassaneh-Beit Rima) as it has the best potential to become a Good article as far as I can tell. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:19, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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1596 info request

Hi Huldra, I can see you haven't been active in a while, but if you drop by in the coming days could you add the 1596 information to Tasil (Tsil) for DYK. I'll also ask Zero000 if he has the Hutteroth book. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:04, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I did it. Zero 09:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to Zero who did this. Sorry, Al Ameer son, that I have not replied before. I have another project which I should be working on, but will drop by here every day or two, if you have any other requests.

I am also "walking" in the foot-steps of Victor Guérin, but have not finished yet. I will post a page (like the User:Huldra/HA-page) when I have done a bit more. It seems like every expert who has used Guerin, has made some mistakes...the only way to figure him out is to use the SWP and other maps, and the "walk" in his footsteps.

On another note, is there a way to incorporate all geographical entities into the WB templates? Eg I just missed the 1596-village Rafidia, as it was not in Template:Nablus Governorate. Could we possibly have an "other"-section at the bottom of the template? For places such as Khan Al-Ahmar and Rafidia? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 13:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Good to see you back Huldra! Even if it's just every other day or two. And good luck with Guerin. My only request for now is do you have any information on Deir Ghassaneh or Beit Rima? If so please add whenever you have the time. ARIJ has finally published the modern-day stats on Bani Zeid (a merger of the two villages) and I think we could eventually get the article to GA status. I'll try to figure something out regarding sites that are not really villages, towns or camps (Rafidia was once its own village but has since become a neighborhood of Nablus). I think I'll just write in Rafidia in parentheses i.e. Nablus (includes Rafidia). It's similar to the way we handle other towns which were the results of mergers. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:13, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Jericho is an Israeli city. I've provided a source. Lechaim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.200.146 (talk) 00:48, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback deployment

Hey Huldra; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

A nice beer to help you wash down the recent history of this page. All the best, and keep up the good work. Drmies (talk) 22:10, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Much appreciated ...(I´m getting used to Grp by now; I´m glad he is ok; its been 3 months since last he graced my talk-page; I was almost getting worried he was ill! :D ) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:21, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Village list of Socin

Hi, Do you happen to have a hard copy of the journal Zeitschrift des Deutschen Palästina-Vereins, Volume 2, 1879, anywhere near you? The text at archive.org says at the beginning that there is a map. That would very useful to have. I'm guessing it is a fold-out that follows the text. I can't find it anywhere near me. I'll ask at the resource desk if you can't get it. Zero 12:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, local library has it, & I just ordered it. No guarantee that the map is still there, though! If it is, I will upload it to commons.

One nice thing about Socin is that he (sometimes!) refers to what other writers, like Guerin, Robinson & v.d. Velde, have written, & that he (thankfully) gives full refs. :) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:42, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Hauran villages

Hey Huldra, just started al-Musayfirah and al-Sahwah, and was hoping you could add the 1596 statistics. Also, did you get the Suad Amiry book on Deir Ghassaneh? I sent it twice last week via Microsoft Outlook on two different days (it was too big for Yahoo to send) but it apparently just sat in the Outbox for hours until I left the office where I work at. I'm just hoping that it did indeed get to you and the Outbox thing was just a mistake. If not, let me know and I'll send it again. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 06:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok, al-Musayfirah and al-Sahwah done. And sorry; never got an email from you, or anything via Microsoft Outlook (which I have never used.) I use a Mac, if that is important? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 18:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the info, I'll nominate al-Sahwah later today or tomorrow. I don't think the Mac has an effect in this case and you don't need to have Outlook, I'm pretty sure. It's not sending because the desktop computer at the office I work at (which has Outlook unlike my personal computer) is outdated and simply takes an extremely long time to send large email messages (60 MB). By the time I leave work, it's still sitting there processing. Anyway, I'll get it to you one way or the other. Regards ;) --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok, btw, that "Zeitschrift des Deutschen Palästina-Vereins"-ref you dug up is great; you can "mine it" for lots of other places (like I have "mined" the Socin-ref for some time now ) It is really too bad, though, that Schumacher (unlike Socin) did not include the Arabic spelling. (The Arabic spelling of the village-names has helped me so much with Socin...even if I don´t know Arabic. Seriously! )

As to Microsoft Outlook: I am a complete illiterate.

But is the Suad Amiry thing you are trying to send me called "Sharon and my mother-in-law"? If that is the case; I can get it here (though I always love to have good books on my hard-disc!). Heh, that book is actually even translated into my local language ;) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Yea, I wonder if there's an English translation though? If not, we have to rely on google translate and more preferably, an actual German speaker. As for the Suad Amiry piece, the title is Space, Kinship and Gender: The Social Dimension of Peasant Architecture In Palestine. Bussow and Tamimi frequently cited this source for their info on the village and the Bani Zeid sheikhdom. --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:36, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, I did have three years of German (compulsory!) -decades ago; I´m a bit more familiar with German than French (which I never studied). (German is actually much closer to my native language than English, and it used to be the "first" foreign language here. But then came 1940, and some Germans came uninvited and made themselves extremely unpopular during the next 5 years. Since -45, English has become the first foreign language. But I still prefer to struggle with Schumacher to Guerin, any day! I mostly manage Schumacher without google-translate, unlike for Guerin, where I have to completely rely on them.) And that Amiry piece is not available in any library in my country; besides the "Sharon and my mother-in-law", only "The Palestinian village home" ca 1989 with Vera Tamari is available. So yeah; a copy would be very nice ;) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 13:56, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Folks, if you are having trouble sending a large file, you can use a site like wikisend.com . If you have a yahoo account, you can use the "attach large file" feature, which uses yousendit.com (which is not free to use separately but free in yahoo mail). Zero 01:44, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

"Space, Kinship and Gender" is a PhD thesis that is apparently not published. Zero 01:48, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Zero000, I'll try wikisend. I do have yahoo, but it says that yahoo classic can't send files larger than 25 MB. I would have to download yahoo messenger, which is a different venue apparently. Is the piece not published? I noticed it's been cited by a number of reliable sources, including the two I mentioned above and so I assumed it was published. Plus it's a couple hundred pages long and presents a very detailed account of Deir Ghassaneh, the Bani Zeid villages, Palestinian peasant architecture and peasant culture before the "modern era." The author is also a noted expert in Palestinian architecture. Would the Amiry source still be considered RS if it's a thesis? --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

I could only find citations to the thesis and didn't find another version mentioned. However, the author has published various books — it is pretty common to publish PhD theses under a different name or in several pieces. About RS, this is an issue that isn't really resolved. If you search the archives of WP:RSN you will find many arguments about it. Zero 06:15, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

@Huldra, Zero0000 came through, here's the link to download the file Ghassaneh Profile.pdf. Since you could read German, could you verify the information in the al-Sahwah article from Schumacher page ? I want to use that specific material for the DYK hook so it would be preferable if it correctly reflects the source.

@Zero0000, it would be unfortunate if we're not allowed to use the piece. I've already used information from it for Bani Zeid. I might have to start a new thread at the RS page. And thanks for the wikisend link ;) --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Heh, my German was never very good, but I´ll give you my translation on the talk-page. And I got the Deir Ghassaneh Profile, thanks! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Changing coordinates

Hi Huldra,

I've noticed that you've recently been changing a lot of coordinates for Israeli localities apparently to reduce the precision of the coordinates. While I don't entirely agree with the very concept, in most cases it doesn't really matter, but in certain cases I noticed that you changed coordinates that were set to the locality's city council or secretariat to new arbitrary coordinates.

It's probably best to leave the coordinates alone, but if you feel strongly that they shouldn't be as precise, please only change those that don't point to specific locations.

—Ynhockey 22:04, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I have not only changed the Israeli, but also the Palestinian ones. Among other things based on this; "we are giving the location to an accuracy of 30 centimeters north-south and 25 centimeters east-west, which is hardly meaningful". I completely agree, but if you want me to, I will not remove them from Israeli localities. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:13, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

See Talk:Ynhockey. Zero 00:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Al-Sahwah

On 18 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Al-Sahwah, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that in the late nineteenth century the residents of al-Sahwah, a Syrian village in the Hauran, paid the Druze chiefs of the area to gain access to a water canal south of the village? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Sahwah. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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