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Psychotronics

Could you please provide an explanation for this edit: . According to the Google Books search facility (which is usually accurate) the word 'psychotronics' does not appear in the book at all - it certainly doesn't appear on page 13, which you have cited. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:19, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

The page is referencing an article in the Moscow Times from 93 that I cannot find an original copy of, that article discusses the Russian psychotronics program. I'm trying to leave only cites that have available sources on the internet now. It's a little difficult when the articles I am looking for are 20 years old. This term is generically used for weapons that use radiation to modify thought processes, I have a cite from a NSA textbook now.

In the edit I linked, you are citing a book by D. V. Giri - nothing whatsoever to do with the Moscow Times. Can you explain why you appear to be citing it for something it doesn't say? AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:33, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

He sourced the Moscow Times article, I was trying to use a description published in a book that could be verified. The search doesn't work on that book, if you read through his citations (which are searchable) he sources a number of articles written about psychotronics, without using the word in the searcable book. Incidentally did you see how much that book costs?

So in other words, you cited the book for something it didn't say. Don't - this is a gross violation of basic Misplaced Pages policy. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:44, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Copyright violation.

This edit is a gross violation of Misplaced Pages policy, and a clear copyright violation. Do not ever, under any circumstances copy-paste material into articles without clearly marking it as a quotation. And note that the copying, even as a quotation, of large passages is a violation of fair use, and not permitted. If you do this again, I will report the matter. I suggest that before you edit Misplaced Pages articles further, you read Misplaced Pages:Copy-paste, along with Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources, Misplaced Pages:Citing sources etc - there is little point in making edits that are going to be reverted, and your edits to the Psychotronics article are doing little to improve it - what it needs is a clear (sourced) definition in the lede as to what exactly it is about, followed by (properly sourced) sections which refer directly to the subject matter. A rag-bag of vaguely-related material isn't going to have much credibility should it be proposed for deletion, which may well occur if we can't define the article topic properly. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

So, do you think I should just quote those pieces, or paraphrase them? They looked logical to me, i get the copyright thing. Damonthesis (talk) 04:22, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Why are you asking for advice? You show no signs of listening to it. I have already explained what needs doing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:50, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

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Something for you to read

WP:ICANTHEARYOU GDallimore (Talk) 17:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Something for you to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#WP:HARASSment_by_user_User:GDallimore

Organization of Misplaced Pages Editors Dedicated to Removing Well Sourced Material Related to Mind Control

These users:

Special:Contributions/Looie496

Special:Contributions/LuckyLouie

Special:Contributions/GDallimore

Special:Contributions/AndyTheGrump

All have been actively revert-warring on psychotronics, with the apparent "front" that they have no idea what the true meaning of psychotronics is. They have created an article which purported that the use of psychotronics was limited to a very short (5 year) period in the 60's and that interest in it had died down completely since the death of the original inventor.

Quite to the contrary, all members of this group are also all long time reverters on:

Thought_insertion

Mind_control

Directed_energy_weapons

Telepathy

Coming from a background of interest in these subjects, it clearly shows not only that they know exactly what "psychotronics" means, but that they are actively attempting to censor anything related to the Russian programs continued existence, through the use of WP:FRINGE as a shield. This is completely inappropriate in the face of sources that come directly from United States Military, Governmental and Russian MIlitary and Governmental official statements and publications. Yet they persist to revert this information nearly across the board. There is a significant problem here.

The main paragraph which has been revert-warred by these users is as follows, please note citations:

Psychotronic weapons are a technology researched during the Cold War by the U.S.S.R, relating to mind control. The class of weapons are reportedly used against the mind to modify the thought process of humans, with the use of electromagnetic radiation and the assistance of advanced computers in order to "induce hallucinations, sickness, mutations in human cells, or even death." Underlying technologies studied included VHF generators, X-rays, ultrasound, and radio waves. Russian Army Major I. Chernishev, wrote in the military journal Orienteer in February 1997, that “psy” weapons were being researched and developed all over the world. In March of 2012, Russian Defense Minister, Anatoly Serdyukov said “The development of weaponry based on new physics principles; direct-energy weapons, geophysical weapons, wave-energy weapons, genetic weapons, psychotronic weapons, etc., is part of the state arms procurement program for 2011-2020." The program came to the attention of groups such as The National Security Agency and the Joint Forces Staff College who have analyzed Russian research into this subject.

The United States appears to have taken an interest in the program in 1965, when the White House asked the Defense Department to investigate "behavioral and biological effects of low level microwaves," after discovering electromagnetic radiation being beamed into the Moscow embassy. This irradiation spanned from 1953 to 1976, after the White House Request, Project Pandora (and "Bizarre") conducted microwave research on animals and Navy personnel, achieving mixed results. This research was carried out by the psychology division within the psychiatry research section of Walter Reed Army Institute of Research.

In an article from 1998 published by the U.S. Army War College, military analyst Timothy Thomas examined psychotronic weapons, noting that up until that time most American military analysts had only looked at "simple deception" as a way to modify the enemy's rational thought. He notes that neuroscience has reliably proven that electromagnetic and energy waves, like data originating from the endogenous processes of the mind and body are subject to change in a similar manner to computers.

The citations speak for themselves, there is no way this information can be considered WP:FRINGE, nor could the reversions be done for any reason other than putting the editors personal opinion over well sourced truth.

The actions of these editors acting in unison has not been presented until they had to fight against the inclusion of these sources on the Psychotronics page; their separate histories show significant interest in the subject. A desire to suppress well sourced material seems illogical.

Check here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Psychotronic_weapons#Psychotronic_weapons

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Psychotronics

In addition, there are a number of additional editors that have shown specific interest in Psychotronics coming from the Stalking page, where they have routinely violated WP:RS in an attempt to portray mind control as the absolute result of a delusion, despite their sources not supporting that opinion.

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1. Thomas, Timothy (Spring 1998). . Parameters. pp. "82-92". {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
2. . "RIA Novosti". "March 22, 2012". {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
3. Owen Matthews (July 11, 1995). "Report: Soviets Used Top-Secret ' Psychotronic' Weapons". The Moscow Times.
4. Armistead, Leigh in conjunction with the Joint Forces Staff College and the National Security Agency. Information Operations: Warfare and the Hard Reality of Soft Power. p. 198.
5. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19760321&id=vboqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LmcEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6828,2196986
6. Sharon Weinberger (January 14, 2007). "Mind Games". Washington Post.
7. "Lynch, Zach" ("July 21, 2009"). "The Neuro Revolution: How Brain Science is Changing the World". "Macmillan". {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
8. "Lynch, Zach" ("July 21, 2009"). "The Neuro Revolution: How Brain Science is Changing the World". "Macmillan". {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
9. Thomas, Timothy (Spring 1998). "The Mind has No Firewall". Parameters. pp. 82–92.