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Talk:Professional sports league organization

Wow, I'd forgotten about that page! I cleared my watchlist a month or so ago, as it had gotten too long.

Erm, to be honest, there isn't much of an answer to your question. I'm personally not a fan of continuously sending the talk to the right hand side of the page, for the reasons that you note - as long as two comments arn't at the same indentation one after the other, it shouldn't be too confusing. There certainly isn't a given number of colons that I stop at, however, and I'm sure I could find occaisions where I have indented. Therefore, the best probable explanation is that I couldn't be bothered to type half a dozen colons before my text! --Robdurbar 18:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Welcome

Whilst I'm here, I'll give you the standard welcome message. It has a number of links detailing policies or procedures. As it says, if you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask.

Welcome!

Hello, P64, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

• The five pillars of Misplaced Pages
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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Misplaced Pages:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  --Robdurbar 18:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Archiving Talk pages

From your question at Misplaced Pages talk:Five pillars, anyone may archive old discussions and archives should not be altered. New matters related to something in the archive should be brought up on the main talk page. If you have any other questions about this or something else on Misplaced Pages, I would be happy to answer. —Centrx→talk • 20:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Centrx, Thanks for sectioning this talk and for clear instructi-suggestions on your own talk page about how to talk.

No further questions at the moment, as I did find the instructi-suggestions about archiving. --P64 01:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk pages

The way around that dilemma is to do an archive of the talk page, rather than deleting stuff, which somebody might yelp about. Wahkeenah 03:05, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Reverting Vandalism

Yes, you did absolutely fine. Bear in mind that you don't have to always enter such a full edit summary if you don't want to 'reverting vandalism by 69.115' would suffice; or even 'rv vandle to Smackbot', if you really want to save time. The reason you see such a full edit summary a lot is because administrators and some other users with fancy technology have tools that allow them to immediatly revert an edit, leaving an automated summary.

You are also correct that that was the user's only contribution. If you want, you could add a test template to his/her user talk page - these can be found at Template:TestTemplates. For an edit such as this user's - simply adding nonesense, first edit, no personal attacks etc. - then either '{{subst:Template:Verror2}}' or '{{subst:test1-n|Origins of Baseball}} ' would work best. However, there is no obligation on your part to add such a message; it does help flag up for future users that this person has already vandalised, however. --Robdurbar 21:50, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

A consideration for cross project consolidation of talk page templates

I have started a conversation here about the possibility of combining some of the United States related WikiProject Banners into {{WikiProject United States}}. It appears that you have been a regular editor at WikiProject U.S. counties and I thought that project might be interested in doing this. I am going to contact some of the other members of the project as well. If you have any comments, questions or suggestions please take a moment and let me know. --
unsigned by User:Kumioko 06:08, 29 November 2010

Official Encyclopedia of Bridge

Have made edits to spellings of names in article List of bridge books and magazines/Encyclopedic bibliographies and left message on dicussion page of Official Encyclopedia of Bridge. Thanks. Newwhist (talk) 15:38, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I like your test addition of 'location' and 'edition' parameters in the 'cite book' template. All six editions should be done likewise and should be made the universal cut and paste master in a new Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Contract bridge section. Newwhist (talk) 22:18, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Boston Red Stockings

Man, that's a whole thing, isn't it? Did they ever decide whether to split off all the former-franchise articles, or do "History of" or whatever?

Anyway, I do not know how to find all of the instances. I know I've dabbed a lot of BRS --> Braves links over the past few weeks. I'd be happy to help work a list if it can be generated. Cheers .... Woodshed (talk) 20:22, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Giants-Yankees official games for Subway Series template

Hi, I saw your post on the discussion page of the Yankees-Giants rivalry page. I brought up a related issue on the Template:Subway Series discussion page. If you could help address it I know it would help. Thanks! Arnabdas (talk) 14:43, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Signpost article on WP Board and table games

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Board and table games for a Signpost article to be published in May. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 19:35, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

My interest is in Contract bridge quite specifically so the interview is not for me. I am interested to note that Chess is excluded from Board and table games in some sense.--P64 (talk) 19:46, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

US National Archives collaboration

United States National Archives WikiProject

Would you like to help improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of topics related to the National Archives and its incredible collection? This summer, the National Archives—which houses some of America's most important historical documents—is hosting me as its Wikipedian in Residence, and I have created WP:NARA to launch these efforts. There are all sorts of tasks available for any type of editor, whether you're a writer, organizer, gnome, coder, or image guru. The National Archives is making its resources available to Misplaced Pages, so help us forge this important relationship! Please sign up and introduce yourself. Dominic·t 15:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of National Association as a major league

The article National Association as a major league has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

In the course of its five year history (ironically, the same length of time the NA itself survived) this article has attracted fewer edits than the National Association had teams (this PROD is edit #21 by my count). No salvageable content here whatsoever. Terribly written, no sources, text has absolutely nothing to do with the page title (most of the text is a semi-coherent explanation about how baseball encyclopedias, shockingly enough, collect statistics - surely a revelation for the ages), and the real kicker is that the topic is already covered much more thoroughly in the main National Association article.

While all contributions to Misplaced Pages are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Badger Drink (talk) 23:40, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkback WPCB Banner

Newwhist (talk) 00:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Contact at WBF

Newwhist (talk) 12:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

The Copyeditor's Barnstar

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		Thanks for your ongoing editing of contract bridge articles especially your recent contribs at {[tl|gcb}} and all your work at the competition articles.

Newwhist (talk) 17:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the advices

talkback (4)

I am regularly contributing in spanish wiki, where, among others, I am making all the bridge pages (around 400). As there is missing bridge material and small errors in the english version I just wanted to contribute here. Thanks for the advices for newcomers. I will introduce some new stuff from 7th edition if you are interested.

I can also make some improuvements here and there if no one objects, but I do not want to bother anybody.

Kindly, --John plaut (talk) 01:10, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Great hints

You are being very kind. I appreciate your help a lot. Will try to follow suit. --John plaut (talk) 01:13, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Missing templates

I can not find the following needed contract bridge templates

• BridgeSuitNWS
• BridgeSuitNES
• BridgeSuitWE
• BridgeSuitNWE

The use of the corresponding BridgeHand templates spend too much space.

Thanks --John plaut (talk) 15:59, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Some questions

I created the Byzantine Blackwood convention page but it does not appear in the project's contribution list. Why?

Comments: (1) Wikilinks on talk pages are useful. Beside the link for navigation, they also provide spell check. (Compare Byzantine Blackwood Convention, which is a redlink because mis-spelled.) The lowercase "c" is appropriate, and it's a correction that I made to your text when I added the wikilink.

I have added the WPCB banner. See Talk: Byzantine Blackwood convention.

"contributions list"? Do you mean the classified list of Newest Articles Created or Substantially Improved at (note the shortcut title) WP:WPCB#Articles requiring attention? That must be updated manually. Ideally the article creator does it. As far as I know, the project banner does not help track new articles systematically.

Cant use appropiately the &thsp; operator to separate suit symbols from cards. It simply remains unrecognized. Any hint?

Ask User:Newwhist. I think I recall some thin-space editorial work on my watchlist recently. He is also the most likely knowledgeable active editor regarding the templates for suits, hands, deals, and auctions, too. --P64 (talk) 22:57, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

tks --John plaut (talk) 16:04, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Dragonriders of Pern modifications

Upon seeing the various modifications you made to the various articles on the novels within the Dragonriders of Pern line, I have unfortunately made the decision to revert them. The various modifications you made, including lengthy references which seem to have nothing to do with the page, adding in HTML linebreaks (<br> tags), and placing a separation for a list of "Awards" in the lede of the page most definitely violate the various manuals of style we have set forth on this project. Rather than going through all of the articles to try to fix your massive errors, which has included omitting the title of the book from the infobox, leaving it blank, I have reverted all of your changes and restored the articles to the state they were sometime before your modifications in October. As such a long standing contributor like myself, I would think that you would have some sort of knowledge of our internal style guides.

I would request that you try to fix these massive errors in style before making any more articles resemble this.—Ryulong (竜龙) 07:57, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

In fact, several of your article modifications are highly out of line with the internal guidelines we have set forth throughout WP:Manual of style. I request that you please read them before you do massive formatting changes to articles, again.—Ryulong (竜龙) 07:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me about modifications! I'm happy to see that someone else is interested in improving the pages. I haven't made any serious modifications in several years and have only just gotten back into it. In the past, I've had to clean up what I will call "hit-and-run modifications", so I'm very happy to collaborate. I hope none of my modifications were insulting, and I won't take any offense to yours. Cheers! mccojr02 23:55, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Let me note to myself, at least, that I will get back to McCaffrey by the end of this month. --P64 (talk) 14:56, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Dragonriders of Pern books

You asked me to have a look at these following recent changes.

Ryulong and I agree that the articles need to be brought in line with conventional Misplaced Pages style. The latest versions can be the basis for these further changes, as long as they happen. I have updated Dragonflight as I think is necessary. I hope we can continue to work together to improve Anne's articles and I suggest we proceed as follows:

• you should restore the book titles to any infoboxes where they are missing
• you should normalise section heading spacing in all the articles with one blank line and no br tag before and no blank line after
• if there are other articles with awards details in the lead, please create a separate awards section (see Dragonflight)
• please take a fresh look at a few featured articles and recent changes to Anne McCaffrey and Dragonflight to familiarise yourself with Misplaced Pages's conventions regarding source and presentation.
• please familiarise yourself with Misplaced Pages Manual of Style if you have not already done so (I'm not suggesting learning it by heart, I certainly have not, but make sure you know what is covered and where to find the details if you need them).

The changes to separate article contents, notes, references and citations involve some "high technology". Since your aspiration is to include a lot of detail in the articles, you really need to learn (if I may say so) how to do this properly. If you carry on as at present, your additions must be reworked substantially and some may be removed as irrelevant or unmaintainable. So please also start reorganising the articles using Dragonflight, as it evolves, as an example. If anything is not clear, please ask. I suggest take one article at a time and we can discuss progress with it. The aim will be that you are able to add content which will survive more-or-less unaltered as the articles evolve further. I will in parallel also update other articles, also one at a time. I will probably go over all the articles with one or two "little scripts" to make some boring mechanical changes. We can do any final polishing once the main changes have been made to all the articles. --Mirokado (talk) 14:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

You mention changes that must be made to conform with style guidelines, and mention "final polishing" as if it might be imminent. What time horizon do you have in mind here? These were stubs and starts that Ryu felt moved to protect. Half of the references and external links that s/he angrily restored were home pages of complex websites (eg, pernhome.com, pern.nl) and half were URLs without linknames (http://www.blahblah...). --I exaggerate; not quite half and half

(I have noted privately that one of the Pern book articles was graded C by some project. I recall that it was Dragonflight but the record shows that I am wrong, altho it may be the one that deserved that grade.) I admit that Dragonflight deserves special attention (importance=Mid, selected for six several foreign language pedia). It may be prudent to improve this one in giant steps rather than quite so piecemeal as I have attempted but I feel bad that you are suddenly working hard here. The content probably isn't yet worth that.

Your edit summaries are super. Thanks.

P.S. I have a copy of Dragonholder again. Tomorrow I'll have it in hand. --P64 (talk) 22:40, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Glad you like the edit summaries

It is clear from what you say that you have lots more content you are intending to add or update. Good!! I think though you should mostly wait until you are reasonably confident that what you write will not have to be reorganised (as a massive extra effort rather than just in the course of normal article evolution). Otherwise a lot of what you do is a waste of your time, mine or anybody else's who works on the articles. Apart from new content, I see several dimensions of changes needed:

• easily identified, systematic changes to all the articles (removing extra br tags for example)
• changes which are best done one article at a time

Combining both means that other editors will see some progress across the board, and one article after another reaching our current quality goal. By "final polishing" I meant something like editing five articles a time in a tabbed browser and going back and forth between them until they are all really nice and consistent. No timetable for that, we will know when it is time for that sort of tidying up.

There is "no timetable" for Misplaced Pages, but I think we should try to demonstrate regular progress with these articles. I, and no doubt you, have other things to do as well but will try to devote "a few" editing sessions per week until I'm happy with them. I hope you can also do something similar, both so that you can create conventionally-styled content without anybody else looking over your shoulder and because as I have already said I don't want to "spoil your fun".

Once articles are formatted nicely I would propose generally to leave further content addition to yourself or others, although I may join in from time to time. --Mirokado (talk) 00:18, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I have more-or-less finished initial edits for Dragonflight, Dragonquest and The White Dragon. I have started with another seven, see your watchlist, more edits to come for those. --Mirokado (talk) 05:05, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Talk page for template /doc pages

Hi, very few template documentation pages have talk pages, and the few that do exist aren't watched much. Pretty much all discussion takes place on the talk page of the template itself. Accordingly, I've moved this thread from Template talk:Sfn/doc to Template talk:Sfn.

On a side issue: you may find the template {{tlx}} useful. This allows you to show how a template is used, without actually invoking the template itself. So, by using that, I can do this: {{sfn|Smith|1960|loc=Acknowledgements}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:15, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Help with a sports related page

A page recently got added into the mainspace and it is in dire, desperate need of attention. I'm not too savvy about the world of sports or some of the people who talk about it, so I thought I'd direct it to someone who is more familiar with sports in general. The page is for Alex Akita and it's currently a mess. Most of the links are from Akita's various pages and the various sections are full of non-notable and obviously not neutral material. Since a lot of the unencyclopedic edits happened by various IPs very quickly, I'm trying to get it semi-protected for the time being. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 14:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79

Hi, T.

The {{neutrality}} tag is appropriate. I have replaced {{sources}} with three tags at top, top of References, and bottom: {{blp sources}}, {{primary sources}}, {{improve categories}}. You may be interested to visit those templates and skim their documentation including "See also" sections.

I don't know about handling gross "unencyclopedic edits" except deletion, as I have done the last three paragraphs. Perhaps you can learn more about procedures.

There is something else to do about articles on living people. I don't work on that but I'll take a quick look and make a second edit if I think that it will be helpful.

I know little about sports talk radio and less about facebook. Until I read "Dawgs" in this article, I didn't know that Washington Huskies were dogs. I can't afford to watch. Good luck with that. --P64 (talk) 15:06, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello from a "talk page stalker". I have added the WP Bio template to the talk page, which is what we need for a biography, with living=Yes for a living person. --Mirokado (talk) 15:24, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks! I definitely need to brush up on my tags. I'm getting more savvy but so far I'm at a definite novice level. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 17:56, 8 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79

Jean E. Karl

See another BELOW

"Karl wrote science fictions for children and young adults". Is "science fictions" normal American usage? It is incorrect in British usage, where we would say something like "science fiction stories". --Mirokado (talk) 21:02, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

It would be unusual, spoken. I read it somewhere else and thought it clear. I doubt that it's incorrect. ("Mystery fiction" rather than mysteries would be unusual, spoken.) ... The NYT obituary does say "science-fiction novels", which is more specific hence worth saying. For some Americans, everything in NYT is correct, by definition, even preferable, but I will not use their hyphenated adjective.

Rereading that obituary after visiting Simon & Schuster online yesterday, I realize that those two sources are clear about the full name of the imprint "Atheneum B.f.Y.R." in 1961 and forty years later, so I can improve the article in another way. (but not tonight)

Thanks. --P64 (talk) 22:55, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

P.S. My barnstar should recognize "competitions articles" rather than "competition articles"! That work probably warps my judgment. -P64

Potential article on Al Gavin Jr.?

Hi! I saw this article come up on AfC, but it wasn't nearly ready enough to go to the mainspace. I was just wondering if you wanted to take a look at the article and see if there's anything here that would merit an article. I know fizz all about sports, so I'm definitely not the right person to edit it. I did notice that the person creating the article appeared to be his son (through the name of the editor), so if the guy is notable enough then someone would definitely have to help him out. I noticed that the guy hadn't come back on since October, so I'm not sure how much help he'd be. I did do a bit of searching through google, but all I found was an article about his death and a few articles stating that Gavin should be put in the Hall of Fame for boxing. Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Al Gavin, Boxing Cutman and Trainer I'm afraid that I'm just not knowledgeable enough to know if he passes WP:NSPORT or not. It looks like he might, but I'm not too familiar with all of this to know for certain.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:47, 22 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79

• I have a feeling that if there are other sources to be found, they'll probably be print sources rather than online sources.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:47, 22 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79

Hi, Toke(?)

No, I must decline. Boxing experts or enthusiasts Misplaced Pages:BOXING must attend to this one. If Al Gavin is any legitimate, even if remote, candidate for the boxing HOF, they should welcome notification.

Do articles come to your attention through WP:Sports? Or do you skim generally (such as AfC) for sports content?

Two or three generations ago, boxing and horse racing may have been national sports in USA (where I am), but no longer --three or four generations ago, if you are as young as the "girl" suggests. --P64 (talk) 00:12, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

• Generally all I do with AfC is go down through the list and pick at random. Sometimes I'll go for the ones that have the most awkward titles (like this one) because they always surprise me somehow. Either they're woefully underdone or surprisingly interesting. I'll go and recommend this to the boxing crowd- I didn't know that group existed! Thanks!Tokyogirl79 (talk) 06:12, 23 December 2011 (UTC)toyogirl79

Barnstar award

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Awarded to a conscientious editor for exemplary work on List of winners of the National Book Award. HarryZilber (talk) 19:39, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi P64, I took a quick spin on the discussion page for categories listed for renaming. I actually never read over the category naming protocols so my head's now hurting from all that metadata.... Oww! Still, the situation isn't as bad as having a new category deleted completely, which I have undergone. Best: HarryZilber (talk) 21:19, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks.

Ha ha (below): One of our automated rivals doesn't like my National Book Awards work so much. Now I need to earn this icon. --P64 (talk) 14:37, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi again P64: I saw your note on the editing of article lede/lead sections and wanted to comment on the process. A bit of caution is occasionally used when editing the lede section so as to not overwhelm it with details which should ordinarily reside in the article's main body. As noted in Misplaced Pages's Manual Of Style, the lede should normally "stand alone as a concise overview". In that context, if the most significant event in an individual's story was the person's award of a book prize, then it would be fair to include its details in his or her lede section. In the case of M. Saint-Exupery, he experienced a life chock full of highly notable occurrences, which included the winning of two major literary prizes in France (as well as a second level prize plus other minor literary awards). Listing all those details, as well as his three French medals which are probably of equal importance, would very likely overload his lede section, making it significantly too long. Since details of his French literary prizes weren't included in the lede it would only make sense to omit details of the U.S. National Book Award in that introductory section, i.m.h.o. Anyways, please keep up your good work! -its a delight to see you helping to flesh out this massive body of knowledge with incredible detail that is finely cited. Best: HarryZilber (talk) 16:51, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely. I agree with your A dSE because this book is mentioned in the article (and the award bears mention in the America section for another reason, unique to his being non-American). It was some kind of mistake by me to put the details in the lead; I try not to replicate them for anyone. --and try to put the details in one place, although AdSE makes that difficult with the book discussed here and the visit to NYC discussed there.

Some of these authors have mere Stubs, others very stale Starts. Unless s/he grabs my interest, I then try to deposit the facts and make a quick getaway. --P64 (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Earthsea Revisions

Hi there - appreciate the updates to various Earthsea novels. You have added a note to about 4 novel pages, linking to the Internet Speculative Fiction Database for detail on the Earthsea sequence and stories; however there is already a wikilink to Earthsea just prior to your note on every novel page. The Misplaced Pages Earthsea page describes everything in your note, so it seem superfluous to link to an external source. Can you think of a way to make it more apparent there is a dedicated Misplaced Pages page for the series? I am open to rewording, etc - obviously it escaped your notice so it is probably the same for other readers? Regards Npd2983 (talk) 21:17, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I am on vacation for a few days so here is a "short" reply only. In the article on a series book, I think it is always appropriate to give an outside Reference for bibliographic details about its publication history or details, or to place it briefly in the context of its series. Probably you agree that ISFDB is a good choice for that.

I think so even if we do have an article about the series whose title suggests that it must provide bibliographic information. (Such as the Dragonriders of Pern, The Chronicles of Prydain, The Chronicles of Narnia. See for example Reference at Dragongirl, a stub I created this fall. In contrast I disagree with providing no reference or note as at The Silver Chair, which I first visited just now. And even there, ISFDB is one External link.)

For LeGuin's Earthsea Cycle, as ISFDB calls it, we do not have a series article. We have a world article, akin to Pern and Narnia (world) (and several more specialized Narnia articles). For Prydain, on the other hand, we have only the series article; Prydain leads to the series article (and to Britain and Wales). Our articles on the Prydain books (see The High King, which I have edited but not heavily) do rely on a lead-sentence wikilink to the series article rather than provide any reference or note. That works better than it would for Earthsea, but I expect to change it.

Should there also be a distinct Note (as Note at Dragongirl) or a Note with some explanation in place of a Reference (as Note at The Farthest Shore)? Commonly I use Note whenever I have anything to say beyond giving a source for what is in the text, yet that material doesn't seem to belong in the text.

...

I have gone on much too long with a slow computer or slow connection and an operating system that I don't know. For how I hope this gives you something to think about and some encouragement.

P.S. Has there been much discussion or collaboration on our coverage of Earthsea? --P64 (talk) 15:24, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Authority control, etc.

TALKBACK

Thanks for your messages.

1) I don't know of any thing off the top of my head regarding the speculative fiction question.

2) Regarding authority control, I don't think people have generally been citing the authority databases in footnotes; I think it's assumed that the link is the reference, since it takes you directly to LC or DNB or whatever.

Regarding the templates: see Template:Chris Ware and Template:Art Spiegelman for other examples where the authority info is included in the template; in other words, there is precedent. --FeanorStar7 (talk) 22:32, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

California Young Reader Medal

TALKBACK

I have no preference either way about its format. Maybe a table would be nice. Thanks for taking an interest in the CYRM awards. Einbierbitte (talk) 18:48, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

EMP Museum

TALKBACK

I was specifically working on cleaning up Category:American architecture at the time, so the particular batch run I was doing at the time only looked for duplication within that particular category, and not for other categorization issues. But I've gone back and manually removed two more unnecessary categories (including the "Media museums in the US" one) just now. It's not a software issue as such, except for the fact that you can really only automate one task per batch and then have to create a new batch for the next task. Bearcat (talk) 04:32, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Links to Bermuda Bowl

TALKBACK

As discussed, I have checked all pages (articles and other pages) that link to Bermuda Bowl.

Bermuda Bowl has these anchors (the "span id" defines anchor "40th" using html):

{{anchor|1950s–1970s}}
{{anchor|1980s–2000s}}
{{anchor|zonal}}
<span id=40th> ...</span>

There are 348 pages currently linking to Bermuda Bowl, but none of them link to a section in that article! That is, there are no pages containing wikitext like ] (and none with spaces before the "#").

The article itself does use some of the anchors, with this wikitext:

• ]
• ] (twice)

I suggest you delete the unused anchors (1950s and 1980s) using an edit summary like "delete anchors because no page links to them". Or, if you want to keep them, delete the range (just call them "1950s" and "1980s"). Or, replace the dash with "to". Using a hyphen is just going to cause trouble with future people who "fix" them, and using en dashes is hopeless as anyone wanting to use them would probably not know how (a copy/paste would work, but they might try typing it). Johnuniq (talk) 09:37, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Name of Chinese bridge players

TALKBACK

Yes, I translated some English articles on bridge championships to Chinese wikipedia.

Yan Lu (盧燕 or 卢燕, first name "Yan" and last name "Lu") and Ru Yan (阎茹, first name "Ru" and last name "Yan") are different players. Please note: Chinese people always say last name (surname, family name) first and first name last.

I am living at Nonantum and hope to meet you in person. My email is Ke_Lu@yahoo.com, cell phone is 781-296-7519.--Nonantum (talk) 17:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Jean Karl

TALKBACK

See another ABOVE

I don't know anything about the Munson name. I did some quick looking in the pay version of worldcat earlier today - there are books listed under R.W. Munson, but they seem to be science, not Science Fiction. I don't think the LC Authority record has this info. I have requested a copy of an item by R W Munson that's available in my library consortium - hopefully it will give some idea. That's the only real thought I've got now for ready confirmation on it.

LazyLizaJane (talk) 21:19, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Losing Trick Count probabilities

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Sorry to get back so late. Actually, I couldn't find these probabilities anywhere online myself, so out of interest I wrote a piece of code to calculate them for me. I don't know how to cite this as a source unfortunately... I've put the code here, if that's of any help. --90.192.243.101 (talk) 15:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Donnelly, etc.

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Hi. Thanks for your message. Regarding your question about the authority control template, I do it manually (by eye).

Also, thanks for the heads up about the spacing issue; I was trying to save space on the servers; if the bot is adding spaces that's fine. I will let it all go and just focus on the content.--FeanorStar7 (talk) 23:31, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the authority control numbers: see http://en.wikipedia.org/Library_of_Congress_Control_Number

under the section Format. 2001 and later years use the four digits so for example:

n2012094994

so the number should be broken up like this:

n/2012/94994

if you do it the other way; the WorldCat link doesn't work.

Regarding the space and format issue: I refer to what I said above about content; I wasn't aware of all the complexities.--FeanorStar7 (talk) 23:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

See also navbox

Please note the most recent comment from Jack Blackbourne at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Layout#See_also_navbox. If you elect to take your suggestion to RfC then please let me know so I can add my 2 cents. (I am monitoring your talk page, so you can let me know here.) Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 11:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Replacing Dagger; and dagger;

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... archived at User talk:ChrisGualtieri/Archive 1#Replacing Dagger; and dagger;

Invitation to comment at Monty Hall problem RfC

You are invited to comment on the following probability-related RfC:

Talk:Monty Hall problem#Conditional or Simple solutions for the Monty Hall problem?

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Astrid Lindgren problem

your comments here, at Misplaced Pages talk:Categorization, about Category:Astrid Lindgren, make perfect sense to me (i put back all the relevant categories, just to cause trouble :)). Eponymous categories are ONLY useful to bibliographic nerds, and should not be a substitute for real categories, ESPECIALLY by some sort of policy of NOT categorizing categories which happen to also be articles. I hope that enough of us can get this issue cleared up. its just weird to me, to have this parallel structure, with the administrative one becoming the one that readers are expected to use. cats for Apple, IBM, GM, John Lennon, all with parent cats. this is really strange to me, especially since we have huge areas of WP where the epocat structure is not used, like for every city in the US except 3.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:28, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Sky Dragons

Hi. I have just created Sky Dragons and run around in little circles fixing matters arising. Of course you are welcome to update it... I will add a scan of the US first edition cover "soon" (it is in the post). I've also created a category Category:Novels by Todd McCaffrey. --Mirokado (talk) 02:11, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I haven't read it. During a big storm here a few days ago, I read Crystal Singer (1974) for the first time. Despite some notable flaws it grabbed me (at age 50+). I think I'll get back to AM and TM this month (November). --P64 (talk) 02:20, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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I am the cheese

The first paragraph of I Am the Cheese doesn't make any grammatical sense after your edit, and I can't figure out what you meant! Could you fix that? --70.194.80.111 (talk) 08:32, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

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This help request has been answered. If you need more help, you can ask another question on your talk page, contact the responding user(s) directly on their user talk page, or consider visiting the Teahouse.

Is it possible --at a remote Windows machine, perhaps using some tool external to wikpedia-- to search hidden comments specifically? or to search page code for specific strings?

--not using Advanced search, iiuc, for its scope is all pages as rendered, by namespace. --P64 (talk) 23:08, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, this is possible by using the Mediawiki API. Bjelleklang - talk 08:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

VIAF error reports

Hi P64,

Sorry for not replying sooner - I set your message aside to reply to and then things kept intervening! A couple of replies:

• WorldCat's "links" to Misplaced Pages aren't actually links - they just plug the author's name into the search function, which is why Robert O'Brien goes to the redirect Robert C. O'Brien and then to the disambiguation page. I don't know why they're not pulling the one out of VIAF, which does have Robert O'Brien (author).

• For your first case, Avi, it's probably best to create the Avi Wortis link as a redirect, just in case :)

• The ones we want to know about are the cases like Sorenson (two clusters not matched together) or Vanderpool (messed up VIAF-Worldcat links). It'd definitely be useful to know about these, or - especially - about any cases where the VIAF page links to the wrong Misplaced Pages entry (or vice versa). You can leave these notes at Misplaced Pages:VIAF/errors (which I am finally going to tidy up sometime soon...)

Thanks for looking into these - it's good to know that we have reliable data for a set of major authors! Andrew Gray (talk) 23:29, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

I think these are okay to leave as is; usually, the main record will contain a note of all the pseudonyms in the 500 field, but the "major" ones often have seperate entries. See here for an example of what an original record might look like. Andrew Gray (talk) 22:16, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

WP:MOSDAB

Please see WP:MOSDAB#Individual entries, specifically: "Keep the description associated with a link to a minimum, just sufficient to allow the reader to find the correct link. In many cases, the title of the article alone will be sufficient and no additional description is necessary."

It seems quite likely to me that, for example, someone who's seeking to read about the racehorse named The Trump will be able to tell by the link that says The Trump (horse) whether that's the article they're seeking. I really don't think it's necessary to include the horse's birthday. Theoldsparkle (talk) 21:11, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

My revised descriptions fit well with those illustrated at WP:MOSDAB and those on its recommended pages E (disambiguation) and Mercury (disambiguation). Several of those you restored were not. --P64 (talk) 21:25, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

You're correct that in illustrating some other points, the MOS includes examples that don't really meet this particular point. Perhaps that should be corrected. I would nevertheless argue that where the MOS offers a clear rule that specifically addresses this point, that rule would take precedence over other examples that are not addressing this point. To be more specific, when we are discussing whether a disambiguation page should use excessive description, and the MOS says "Don't use excessive description", the fact that other parts of the MOS have examples that, in talking about something completely different, happen to use excessive description, does not mean that a) we should use excessive description or b) that it is wrong to not use excessive description. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:37, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

List of winners of the National Book Award

Your Jan 31, 2013 edit to List of winners of the National Book Award added the ref names "nba1980s" and "nba1970s" but without any text for those refs. Would you please revisit the article and add the sources you intended? Thanks. - Salamurai (talk) 06:38, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I still hope for replies to my technical questions before the tag {underconstruction expires in 2-1/2 days!

They are defined in the References section and called in the body of the article. See refs 3 and 22. The question is how to call them from explanatory footnotes.

I have asked a mentor who (formerly?) visits almost daily and notified, or implicitly asked, the other frequent maintainer of the List. Now I'll expand notice to the List talk.

--P64 (talk) 16:48, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

okay, didn't see the underconstruction tag, as it was posted late in the article. I moved it to the top of the article where it will be seen. I also didn't see the "nba1970/1980" when I searched the code. It appears the real problem is the placement of <ref> code within the "efn" code, as you note above, and which I don't know how to fix offhand. I don't have much time to spend here tonight; if it hasn't been resolved by the next time I can visit I'll make sure to see what I can do to help. Thanks for your reply! - Salamurai (talk) 00:32, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

By the way, did you find this problem using a general tool or hidden category for such pages? I placed the tag where this station (my browser and user preferences) displays red notices such as Cite error: tag with name "nba1970s" defined in is not used in prior text; see the help page. --supposing that visitors would experience the problem only by reading at that point. --P64 (talk) 17:56, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I frequently visit the hidden category Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting and fix pages that have ref errors, if I can figure them out. It's good editing practice, tho the list keeps getting long (vandals, carelessness, etc). Also it's something to do if I'm not actively working on an article or project. Those "Cite error" messages are why they appear on the Category. - Salamurai (talk) 01:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

(copied from above)

... Now I'll expand notice to the List talk.

--P64 (talk) 16:48, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Done promptly and one day later, "yesterday" broadly, I crafted a long illustration of the alternative approach. Talk:List of winners of the National Book Award#Split awards

We expect a major blizzard here where I sit and i may not be back here where I write for days. --P64 (talk) 04:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

(1) Hi P64. I finally had a block of time I could use to look at the ref errors and figure them out. Another user has commented them out a couple of days ago, making them invisible, which I find to be a "sweep under the rug" approach. I'm going to see if I can actually repair them, and will report again with what worked. - Salamurai (talk) 15:12, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

(2) okay, it doens't appear to be the cite code in the EFN at all. There are supposed to be six cites for "split74" but only 3 (edit: no, it's 7, I'm looking at the wrong line.) are showing up. - Salamurai (talk) 16:17, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

(3) Inexplicably, it turns out that placing the actual notes in the {{notelist}} as one would expect, but also with <ref></ref> code, causes the code to read the citation one extra time. But sometimes the extra read doesn't work and that trips the cite error, because it's incorrectly expecting 2 but only getting 1. The only way I could prevent it is to move the EFN's out of the Notelist and place them at their occurrences. It's annoying. But, it's repaired now. - Salamurai (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Cynthia Rylant

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I've rescued it. It's too bad that people can just blank articles like that. I wonder how much information has been lost from this encyclopedia because of nasty acts like that. I hope that the bots wouldn't allow that sort of thing to happen today. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:07, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

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