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No one

None who had truly gone for years with almost nothing to eat would be dreaming of such complex, oversweet, and hard-to-digest foods as chocolate and cheesecake. +sj +

This woman is (censored). At least one of her followers won a Darwin Award by self-inflicted dehydration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.42.199 (talkcontribs)
Three people have died of breatharianism. See the article for details. — Omegatron 19:01, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Yogis in India can transmute poison and people can transmute the negative affects of coffee, chocolate and cheesecake. (censored) She believes in self mastery and self empowerment and that the only guru is within.

I'd love to see them try. 76.19.22.80 (talk) 05:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Who wrote this?

Who wrote this drivel?? I think you'd be better off deleting the whole thing and starting over. At best this person deserves a footnote mention, anyway. She failed the 60 Minutes test. I would think that 60 Minutes would get much higher ratings (and other monetary rewards) if they could prove Ellen right. They could sponsor her world tour thereafter and clean up. But she didn't pass and the story is a Australian footnote of which most of the world is unaware.

How does one transmute poison? Who verified that the what the yogi drank or ate was poison? Did you just take their word for it? How does one transmute the effects of caffeine? (A new one to me.) If she isn't a guru, than she should keep her mouth shut (and get rid of her web site)so as not to expose anymore weak-willed people to (censored) merely to (censored).

Hey, I have some property off . . .er I mean ON the coast of Florida I think you will be interested in. It's a snake oil farm. Cures everything, except gullibility.

Added tag, will delete if article doesn't improve...

This article is more of an advertisement than anything else. If it is not cleaned up within a month or two, it's a goner. Sukiari 02:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I reverted it back to its pre-advertisement form. It seems this wasn't the first time it was like that. Does anyone think this article should be locked to prevent the advertiser from rewriting it again?

Uh, what's the point? If we're going to lock a whole article just because a few vandals then we might as well just lock ALL of the articles, since many of them have persistent vandals as well. In fact, let's delete Misplaced Pages...no the WHOLE INTERNET, to support our new policy of taking it up the arse from vandals. Jeez, DON'T LOCK IT. I VOTE NO!!!! Smith Jones 22:32, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Ellen Greve is (censored). I have contributed regularly to this Wiki entry in order to ensure that the stupid vulnerable people who search her name on the net have accurate information on her activities and remarks. I've been accused of vandalism by someone who's written that I'm a man don't beleive in God. What does that have to do with anyhting! This woman is a (censored)


I taunted her into bragging that 1 billion people had heard her message, and that there are 64,000 'breathairians' in Europe, and that 'presidents and heads of militaries' have spoken to her about her plans. I succeeded in bullying her into closing her website forum, and I'm proud of that, because I think I may have saved lives. unsigned --- who is unsigned.


1) Your edits did constitute a violation of NPOV but, as they were apparently good-faith, would not constitute vandalism. Caution though: trying to re-instate them, knowing that they violate NPOV, actually would constitute vandalism.
2) The editor who reverted you was wrong to refer to your philosophical beliefs, but his statement is more nonsensical than offensive
3) I agree with everything you wrote, but it's still biased. It's biased to say the woman is preposterous in the same way that it's biased to say Hitler was a bad man. We explicitly don't allow the latter, so of course we don't allow the former. It's obvious from the article that she's preposterous. We don't make that kind of value judgment explicit, nor do we need to.
Cheers, Argyrios 05:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Argyrios, the unnamed unsigned says clearly that his ways are "bullying" living persons, what his mission statement is re Jasmuheen is. and he views those you give it a try as "stupid people" who he is to save.
I wonder, how in the world you did leave such libeleous statements, which are to be removed immediately. --Grazia11 15:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Censorship

Does anyone else find the censorship in the comments hilarious? Like the line, "If she isn't a guru, than she should keep her mouth shut (and get rid of her web site)so as not to expose anymore weak-willed people to (removed unsourced contentious material per policy) merely to (removed unsourced contentious material per policy). " I think that the censorship should either A.) stop, or B.) remove the whole line. Right now it's just ridiculous. By the way, feel free to delete this paragraph once the above censored comments are dealt with. fissionchips303 01:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

(Above was moved from top in older topic on 3 October, 2007.) - Mdbrownmsw 14:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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(Comment "not relevant to improving the article" by Comradeash deleted per Misplaced Pages:Talk_page_guidelines#Others.27_comments - Mdbrownmsw (talk) 17:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The whole point of censoring is a mere protection from libel. On the other hand, merely saying Ellen Greves is a fucking idiot is not libel, as it is expressing an opinion.Comradeash (talk) 00:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Besides, would you want some nut with access to a computer and the inclination towards trying her hoky shit looking on the internet and finding nothing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.85.210 (talkcontribs) 17:26, January 22, 2008
cosigned (with Comradeash). The replacing of words on this page with links to policies is deeply unnecessary and rather silly. tomasz. 10:50, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Jasmuheen Controversy

I ask the wikipedia team to check the source and regular changes to the article on Jasmuheen. Most of what is written and regulalry replaced is biased and comes from a few sources of people who wish to discredit her regardless of her research. The information is not balanced nor does it reflect her work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.177.95.184 (talk) 05:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

We're always looking for more material based on reliable sources. Feel free to add any you might have. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

"fluids" sentence

Greve has also - confusingly - stated that she has not yet mastered the ability to be fluid-free for more than short periods.

Firstly, this needs a cite, though given that it appears to be consistent with her reported intake of tea and such, isn't unreasonable as such. (I'm skating lightly over any possible conflict between her reported and actual intake of nourishment, obviously.) But more importantly, why 'confusingly'? It sounds like editorialisation, and I don't even understand its thesis as to why this is confusing, given said self-reporting. But I might be misreading this, or missing something. Please clarify if possible. Alai (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


Her page is hilarious. Good job whoever wrote the first few paragraphs.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.86.60 (talk) 03:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Name & Censorship

Two issues I wish to raise in contention. Firstly;

From 1992, she began to combine her experience in business and finance with meditation, selling access to workshops and seminars on the topic and, by deed poll, changed her conventional two-word name to the more exotic Jasmuheen.

Deed poll ceased to be a means to legally change ones name in 1986. Therefore this article is incorrectly named, it should be named after her legal name, with her alias mentioned in the lede. It's obviously not the first instance of clear deceptive behaviour evident given the numerous failures of this self-professed messiahs belief system so it comes as no surprise that her entire name and story of 'changing her name' is also a lie.

Secondly, this censorship idiocy is completely inappropriate. Whilst no instance of it is contemporary, I wish to point out that the policy being cited applies ONLY to the article and not to the talk page and still does not imply that it can be censored. Misplaced Pages is NOT censored.

I strongly urge 'those who have had their comments defaced by the phantom censor' (well, they're not a phantom, I just haven't checked the history because I don't want to get too involved without at least putting them on the right path first, but clearly it is either the person who the bio is about managing their PR online like a typical woo peddling psychopath, or a sycophantic fan thereof) to 'take the matter to the admin boards immediately' and ask that the account doing it be 'banned from editing this page and it's talk page' forthwith. It will probably take a warning or two from the admins before they ban them but they've done it enough (AND illustrated that they're aware of the policy they're abusing / taking out of context) it won't take much effort. BaSH PR0MPT (talk) 09:04, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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