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I can understand that people want to feel special and important and so on, but that self-obsession seems a bit pathetic somehow. Not being able to accept that you're just this collection of cells, intelligent to whatever degree, capable of feeling emotion to whatever degree, for a limited amount of time and so on, on this tiny little rock orbiting this not particularly important sun in one of just 400m galaxies, and whatever other levels of reality there might be via something like brane theory  ... really, it's not about you ... Do try to get a grip of something other than your self-obsession. How Californian. The idea that at all costs, no matter what, it always has to be all about you. Well, I think not.

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... or panic madly and freak out?
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New article - suggestion requested

Hi. Can you kindly review the article Joan Margaret Legge, created by me (to be developed) regarding (1)notability (2) quality of sources I have used, for reliability etc. Rayabhari (talk) 08:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Merge proposal Self-Realization Order & Self-Realization Fellowship

See the talk page regarding this - . Have we wanted long enough? Would like to merge the two. thanks Red Rose 13 (talk) 12:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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New York Social Diary

NYSD has been used 91 times as a source/ mentioned on Misplaced Pages, why the latest edit at Scindia? Yogesh Khandke (talk) 14:34, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I really don't give a toss, Yogesh. H. A. Rose has been used far more often and is bloody useless even though some claim it be ok, whilst NYSD is just pure puffed-up name-checking by ... well, exactly who is it by? Who is that guy? The only reason why you would descend on that AfD is because I nominated it and so you perceive systemic bias. The sooner Misplaced Pages is rid of you, the better because you clearly do not understand much about it, for all the words you type. - Sitush (talk) 14:38, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
I am sad that you make such allegations. I told the creator of Scindia above, I'm telling you here; it is unfortunate if we personalise the differences we have as editors, I'd be happy if you strike the venom off, I'm sure you don't mean to sound the way the words appear. I checked NYSD and saw its 91 appearances and then added it, if it is trusted 91 times why is it bad the 92nd time? I also checked whether others take it seriously (I mean real life media) apparently it is taken note of. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 14:51, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Yogesh, Sitush asked you to go away, as is his right on his own talk page. Please just leave him be, at least for the time being. Writ Keeper  14:54, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Yogesh, the chances of me not letting fly with some "venom", as you call it, are slim where you are concerned. Why you cannot appreciate this is beyond me - you are an anti-British, anti-colonial, historical revisionist whose understanding of policies and guidelines varies in direct proportion to how well they will suit your purpose. If you think there is any scope for me to assume good faith here then, yes, you are a better man than I am. Now, go read WP:OSE and WP:DUE ... again. That one blog-type gossip website published by, erm, somebody is not worth the screen space it appears on. And reflect on my thoughts with reference to the AfD comments. Just because some ditsy Nigel Dempster socialite column describes her as a queen doesn't make it so.

I don't mind you commenting here when you are being sensible but, alas, that is a rarity and I've been drawn into an awful lot of extremely prolonged discussions because of your tendentiousness in the past. I think I can count your "successes" in those discussions on the fingers of one hand. So, if you want to make a point then that's fine but I'm not wasting any more time with in-depth whys and wherefores. - Sitush (talk) 15:02, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I've just seen this response to one of your comments. It pretty much sums up the problem that people who do understand policy have with your apparent hit-and-miss capability to do so. - Sitush (talk) 15:06, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
I laugh when they call you anti-foo, I laugh when you call me anti-foo. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:08, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
The difference is, you have a topic ban for being anti-. Go figure. - Sitush (talk) 15:09, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
That doesn't make me stop laughing. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
I can believe that: you seem almost consistently to miss the point, so why should you be any different on this occasion? Now, this is over: you are not advancing things in the slightest & I have better things to do with my time than engage with your silly mind-games. - Sitush (talk) 15:37, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Since guys with brooms might think I'm badgering you, please reply to the NYSD matter on the article page. Though as I said earlier I'm sunk in RL issues and so I'll get back I don't know when. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:35, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

No. It is at AfD and has been referred to there. - Sitush (talk) 15:37, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Hey Sitush! I am BPositive, who used to co-ordinate INCOTM a while ago. Sadly, I am still busy and occupied as before but at the same time, I am glad that you have accepted to volunteer for the project and co-ordinate it. I wish you all the very best and hope to see some great collaborations in the coming months! Cheers mate! :-) BPositive (talk) 15:49, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Under duress! If/when you get back into the swing of things, I'll happily pass the responsibilities back in your direction. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy the strawberries. Thanks! - Sitush (talk) 15:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Neetu Chandra

According to IMDB it's her birth date.Halmstad (talk) 01:11, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

IMDB is not a great source. - Sitush (talk) 12:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for your edits in "Aam Aadami Party" Page.Thanks for standardize the Article.Cheers, Keep doing the good work..! ThinkingYouth (talk) 06:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

My take

What I fail to understand is how an article about this Gwalior woman which concentrates on genealogy for the most part and is reminiscent of Facebook stuff, giving the names of her antecedents, and even those of her children, who have achieved nothing to date, in the infobox and the article, something even obituarists (I know aomething about the subject) generally avoid when writing obituaries, has not been given the boot. The nonsensical references cited by its proponents, citing an obscure American website, not so au courant l with history, calling her a queen and a minor university in the UK calling her a maharani in the lead (a la Facebook) as 'evidence' of her so-called elevated status makes me wonder on what grounds the article has been retained. Was there really no consensus, given the facts? Surely, it amounts to a denial of history - those born after the titles became history never did have any titles. Reminds me of that historian who denies the holocaust took place. To me, the article is more Facebook than Wiki. The mind boggles!--Zananiri (talk) 18:49, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree with your thoughts about the subject matter but suspect that Bwilkins took into account the sheer number of passing mentions etc that people were able to dig up. Correctly or otherwise, she does have quite a few name-checks even if the contributors to the discussion really do not have much clue when it comes to what constitutes a reliable source etc, and some of those sources were practically WP:FRINGE given their sycophantic use of titles that do not exist. I wouldn't have made the decision that Bwilkins made but, hey, I'm involved and they are not. What does irk me is that while WP:BURDEN means verifiability must exist otherwise content can be removed from an article, it does not apply to whether consensus to keep exists - if there is no consensus then an article stays, and that has always seem wrong to me.

I could use the decision as a basis for adding articles about numerous habituées of the gossip columns (fatuous, self-serving oglers and hangers-on, as a rule, and mostly female for some reason that I've never been able to fathom) but I've got better things to do with my time than add yet more crap to this rapidly deteriorating mess of an encyclopedia. So, I suggest that the best course is one of damage limitation and then moving on to more important matters. Storage is cheap, as the inclusionists are fond of pointing out.- Sitush (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Need Correction and Proper attention.

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits at AAP Page.I notice you reverted a AGF edit and later removed the content( 3 websource) , and ,stating 404s error.If you look closely,the reverted edit had corrected the 404s error link,which you overturned/discared by saying "No need for these extra sources".Pls update the weblinks. One more thing ,Your edit comments ,, indicate something conflicting/personal going on with you regarding/context-of AAP Article page.
PS: Thanks for all editing and standardizing Misplaced Pages Articles .Cheer,Keep doing the good work..!ThinkingYouth (talk) 23:08, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

You may be correct about the timing of various removals but the statements still have two reliable sources and that is ample. I've not looked at the diffs regarding a potential conflict of interest. You'll just have to take my word for it: I have no conflict, no personal connection to India and am so apolitical that I have never even voted in the UK, where I was born and live.

I am concerned about the amount of "hoo-hah" surrounding the emergence of the AAP. This is based mainly on my general experience that political parties in India come and go at what seems to be an incredible speed, that protests are "ten-a-penny" and that the AAP is itself some sort of revitalisation of the India Against Corruption movement that didn't really last very long - to use a phrase that often appears at WP:ANI, it has been "more heat than light". Misplaced Pages exists to pass on encyclopaedic knowledge but it is neither a news organisation nor a platform for promotion of causes. I can understand that people closer to events might feel very strongly about the AAP agenda etc but this project is not the place to right great wrongs. I could list a heap of Indian politics-based articles that were started with good intentions but fizzled out and are now hopeless because they have been abandoned after the initial enthusiasm for the cause. One example might be the Cash-for-votes scandal. We really do need to get a grip on this sort of thing and I'll do my bit where I can. I'm not always right, of course! - Sitush (talk) 23:29, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Your comments were amusing (a little funny ,sarcastically),But is that allowed in WP norms to pass sarcastic opinion/judgements.Btw,I didn't implied WP:COI on you!So,No need for clarification.(Answer: He is alive ! :P ) ThinkingYouth (talk) 00:14, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
It wasn't my intention to be sarcastic. I'm well aware that articles such as this tend to attract a lot of interest and then peter out (as with the example I mentioned above). If he has gone since sometime in March without food or liquid then he is lucky to be alive, which makes me think it is more likely a symbolic act and a case of wearing a fur coat and no knickers. That's not a meaningful protest, is it? Do you think anyone involved in these various Indian protests has heard of, say, Bobby Sands? Like him or loathe him, that was a deeply-felt protest. - Sitush (talk) 00:32, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Bangalore Tamils

Hi Sitush,

This article is wriiten completely from a Tamil perspective. Can you please review this article if you find time. I am currently traveling, so do not have much of time to do the same. Thanks, — Abhishek  09:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Redirected. It seemed basically to be an unfocussed POV fork/coatrack, probably because the creator was having problems at Bangalore. - Sitush (talk) 11:57, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

AAP

Dear Sitush, so glad you could squeeze me while editing Nagercoil etc. I OTH edit coolly, under no time pressure to reach 1 million edits. Please go over my edits coolly, I'm in no hurry. News sources about AAP (or even IAC in Kejri days) are hurried affairs with each reporter scrambling to get "breaking news" into their feed and damn the quality. Which is why analysis pieces written 1 month after the fact (Revati Laul of Tehelka comes to mind), are so much better. PS: "poor edits" is WP:NPA. AcorruptionfreeIndia (talk) 17:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

No it's not. Writ Keeper  17:12, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

IAC

I disagree with your removing the image of "Manoj Pai" conversing happily with Anna Hazare, and retaining one of the other G-Sec "Karira" with his back to Anna. The article also referred to "Many of the present participants ..." so 2 images was in context. The image of Manoj Pai was previously cited by me to User:ThinkingYouth in the Talk page as an example of the camaderie between IAC and Anna, is that why it was removed ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AcorruptionfreeIndia (talkcontribs) 17:15, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Look, take all this stuff to the article talk pages and please be careful. You are getting fairly close to being blocked or even topic banned. You clearly have a huge POV and/or conflict of interest going on. - Sitush (talk) 17:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Million/lakh

There is a difference between a million and a lakh – . Also, please link to the discussion on WT:INB when reverting other users. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 18:41, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Nick, just go away please. You and I are not going to get on. Rayabhari knows me well enough and quite why you are sticking your nose in is beyond my comprehension. If you want to screw up that article like you have with the tendentious policy-wonkery at the Modi article then feel free, but don't come here with your niggling stuff. Change the thing back, go on another crusade to protect the honour of India etc and leave me out of it. - Sitush (talk) 18:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I have no interest in coming to your talk page. The page on Aam Aadmi Party has been on my watchlist, and you certainly do not own any of these articles. Please remember to comment on the content rather than the contributor. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 18:54, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Fuck off. - Sitush (talk) 19:05, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Both of your seperate...now.
  • @Nick: Once Sitush said to "go away please" that was the end of the discussion, further edits were not necessary.
  • @Sitush: "Fuck off" is just plain unnecessary and you know this.
  • @All: Both of you should steer clear of each other and if you must be in contact, I would go through a middleman (an admin). - NeutralhomerTalk23:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
It was not "plain unnecessary". I'm happy for this to go to ANI. My bet is Nick is not because there is a substantial backstory here and he could well end up losing his bit. Me? I'll just get a block but I've managed to go this long without one despite my involvement in these controversial areas, so what the heck ... - Sitush (talk) 23:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't want either of you to get blocked, I don't want to see anyone get in trouble, just want both of you to steer clear of each other. - NeutralhomerTalk00:00, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I will admit to misreading Rayabhari's edit and I apologise for that. For some reason, I thought they were editing the other "million" figure that appears in the article (10 million rupees, 1 crore). That was a massive brain fart on my part but (a) we really should not be mixing units in the article and (b) the info that Rayabhari changed was not inserted by me in the first instance. I have been trying to figure out all the problems with the article but it is not difficult to see the point where I had stopped editing and started pondering/researching. So, sorry to Rayabhari for my mistake. No apologies to Nick, who should know better and was simultaneously involved in a pathetic piece of pedantry relating to a translation, not dis-similar to the inconsistent pedantry that he has been displaying at Narendra Modi. Now, I'm off to bed and (hopefully) off to Wales tomorrow. Good night all. - Sitush (talk)
Ooh, Wales, nice! :) Have a safe trip. :) - NeutralhomerTalk01:26, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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Bangalore Tamils

see please talk on the article talk page before do the edit.Thank youEshwar.om 20:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I read your message from ‎Abhishek191288's talk page.i will consider that.Thank you.Eshwar.om 09:42, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

hi Sitush

I modified the article .Previous namely called Bangalore Tamils.i followed the neutral policies.Please could you read and give your suggestion .sandbox article.Thank you!Eshwar.om 13:12, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I will take a look soon. I'm a bit busy for the next day or two. You could always ask for comments from Abhishek, Rayabhari and others who had some concerns about the initial effort: they can probably give you some useful advice etc. - Sitush (talk) 20:34, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Kannada Brahmins

Sitush, isn't the article in the Kannada weekly Prajamata of Bangalore an acceptable citation to support the fact that Vishwanath Ayengar is a noted Kannada Brahmin? I hope you will undo your action and restore the entry made by me. Thanks. Kanchanamala (talk) 04:15, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

You are referring to this. A redlinked entry citing a relatively obscure, 40 year-old offline source is always going to raise eyebrows, in my opinion. Although WP:NLIST/WP:LISTPEOPLE do not insist that an article on the person exists, it has become a sort of de facto position for caste lists. In this instance, WP:NOENG is likely to come into play also, and WP:BLP may do if he is still alive. Basically, "if it isn't one thing then it's another": no single issue would necessarily give sufficient reason to remove but the cumulative effect is considerable. The best way to resolve this would be to write an article about the guy, test the notability that way and then add to the list. - Sitush (talk) 09:37, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

AAP again

  • I clearly said I intend to keep editing these articles (17:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)), in response to which you promptly said "Hopefully somebody else can set you straight". So your speculations are just speculations, as is the rest of your advice. I have never been taken to ARBCOM if that is what you are asking, and neither do I edit using multiple accounts or edit as an IP. The only thing you (or any editor) can hold against me is that I am extremely clued in to AAP and IAC affairs and edit only in that zone - that admittedly makes me a so-called WP:SPA and I don't hide it, but neither do I publish it. I have already stated elsewhere that I have no WP:COI for these family of articles as I am not a member of either organisation. AcorruptionfreeIndia (talk) 14:23, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
ARBCOM has nothing to do with it. Your knowledge of Misplaced Pages's policies etc, however imperfectly applied by you, is remarkable for such an inexperienced contributor. Perhaps the fact that you do not apply them correctly even when citing the things is the giveaway. Yes, your SPA status is a concern when combined with the generally poor way that you are contributing but, whatever, thanks for letting me know and let's hope that you are learning something from this mess. - Sitush (talk) 14:30, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

These edits!

Hi. Whether the series of edits made by user "AcorruptionfreeIndia" to article AAP are permitted as per Misplaced Pages policy? The history of AAP article shows that, almost all edits made by the user from 12.6.2013 to 16.3.2013 are deletions! (except three edits, out of 28 or so edits). At times, the deletes included sourced info(recently added by me). Is it appropriate for me to stay away from this particular article? I seek your suggestion. Thank you, all the best.Rayabhari (talk) 16:47, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

The contributor is going round like a bull in a china shop, lacks clue and is being generally a bit of a nuisance as a consequence. They'll be getting a topic ban if they keep this up, in my opinion. If you are finding it too difficult to handle then by all means go do something else but I don't see any policy-based reason why you should stop trying to improve the article. Just keep using the talk page to explain things that cannot easily be explained in an edit summary. - Sitush (talk) 16:53, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

RSN comment

Hi. I noticed your name at the noticeboard and was wondering if you could comment at this post. I've been getting feedback only from editors who've used the source in question in the articles they add to, so I don't think I'm getting a very impartial response. Dan56 (talk) 18:15, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Blabbermouth is a source that I've come across on a few occasions and does seem to be used here. Whether it should be is something that I'm really not in a position to comment on - music plays next to no part in my life. You started the discussion yesterday and it is a weekend, so I'd be inclined to wait for responses from the RSN regulars. Also, have you tried searching the RSN archives? - Sitush (talk) 18:19, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I've asked other regulars too, so no problem. I see the site mentioned in passing in the archives, and the only post directly for it is this short post that hardly addressed much. Dan56 (talk) 18:21, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Don't know

I see you are involved with this editor, is this strange to you or normal? Thank you, MarioNovi (talk) 18:48, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

It is strange but, for that contributor, seems pretty much par for the course. I'm not sure why you have started an RfC on a user talk page, btw, but I've just looked at some of those links and am pretty concerned about linking to potentially copyrighted works/permissions. If you have not already done so then you should raise the issue at Misplaced Pages:External links/Noticeboard. - Sitush (talk) 18:56, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I guess I don't know the right procedure, I did it here but I wlll do what you say too, thank you, MarioNovi (talk) 20:27, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I am confused because he only edited India articles and that RFC, I don't know how he discovered it. MarioNovi (talk) 20:44, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I've no idea either but it doesn't matter. - Sitush (talk) 20:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Bangalore Tamils

The first version appears to be at least partially copyvio from http://archive.deccanherald.com/Deccanherald/apr192004/metro9.asp just in case some of the content ends up somewhere else.

I won't comment on the redirect. Best wishes. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:52, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd spotted some copyvio but not that bit. I have the feeling that sorting the various problems of understanding on one will be quite time-consuming. - Sitush (talk) 06:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Ösel Tendzin

Hello,

Could you please look into this article? I note that this article seems to have gotten some controversial removal and reverting lately, but at the same time, the controversy section looks very POV too. i'm not sure if thats supported by sources too. So could you please look into it, if you can?

Thanks, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 03:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Kachwaha

I put protection on the page for one month. I already had the page on my watchlist and saw your edit summary. Next time, put in a request at WP:RFPP as a wonderful, fantastic admin probably won't have the page in their watchlist. Titodutta, how much longer do I have to be nice to Sitush? This blackmail is torture. Bgwhite (talk) 03:57, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, B. I didn't bother with RFPP because it was a week or so since the last incident. Nagercoil, otoh, is going to RFPP if the IP reverts me again. - Sitush (talk) 06:02, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Sometimes it is faster to ask an admin instead of taking it to a WP page. In my pre-admin days, I took articles to RFPP or an admin based up on need. Feel free to bug me anytime, as long as Tito is forcing me to play nice. Bgwhite (talk) 06:13, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Banaglalore Tamil

Thank you for your message on my talk Page.surely i will drop a a reminder on your talk page.Thank you.Eshwar.om 07:38, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello

I Don't Know
Hello, I don't know what was the problem with the article Hassan Khan. I am new to wikipedia and don't know how to send a message therefore am using this message of appreciation. I just want o know what was wrong with the material that I posted. I had given authentic references to every editI made. But you just came and edited out all I had done. Moreover I am from Ladakh and could write about the person as he represents Ladakh in the Indian Parliament. Please do let me know of my wrong doings (if any).

Awaiting a reply

Anwaraj (talk) 13:59, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Anwaraj, there is a consensus that we do not use Indian scripts (Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi etc) in the lead section of many articles; that is, in the opening bit before the first heading. Misplaced Pages works on the basis of consensus, which in simple terms means that decisions are made by the community and should usually be followed even if you disagree with them. There are processes for causing such decisions to be changed but they are probably best avoided until you have gained more experience.

I changed some things at Hassan Khan that involved categories. We have a message area for the Misplaced Pages India Project - see here - and there is also one for discussing categories in general. In this instance, I replaced Category:Members of the Lok Sabha with the more specific categories for Category:13th Lok Sabha members and Category:15th Lok Sabha members. All people who are listed in the two categories that I added are automatically a part of the first category, so there is no need to show that also.

I also removed an image that was "redlinked": I've no idea if the image was not showing because there was a spelling mistake or if the image simply does not exist but there is no point in showing the supposed filename of an image that we do not have.

The other big thing I did was this. It was good that you used sources but those sources must also be reliable - just because something appears on the web in a Wordpress blog, for example, does not make it suitable for use in an article. We have to be particularly careful when articles relate to biographies of living people. Some of the wording was also not neutral or involved original research/judgements; for example, His views on communal harmony is clear from his statements .... In addition, we do not generally use honorifics such as "Shri" and "Mr", and we have guidelines for how dates are shown in articles - see WP:MOSDATE.

This is a lot for you to take in, so do not become disheartened. People will help you find your way around all these policies and guidelines as long as you are contributing in good faith, which you are. You'll probably quickly learn the basic ones and if you have any doubts or queries then the best thing to do is to ask - which is why I am pleased to see you here! Hope this helps you in some way.- Sitush (talk) 15:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Jayalalithaa

Trust me i don't have any ill-intentions if that is what your implying - which i hope you aren't. But i will fight if i believe i have a point. To me adding her Brahmin caste is a part of her life and in all probability could have played a role in the person she is today - just as one wouldn't be surprised to read an article on wiki about someone in England mentioned as having been born to an aristocratic family.Fotoriety (talk) 14:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I've taken it to the article talk page. However, this is a biography of a living person and while I do appreciate that you are referring to her family, some of them also could potentially still be alive. We don't mention caste in BLPs without self-identification, period. - Sitush (talk) 14:48, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey,regarding Bahar Dutt

Sir, According to my humble opinion I think the article on Ms Bahar Dutt should be deleted.I saw you edited the page a lot so please take part in the discussion and correct me if I am wrong.Uncletomwood (talk) 17:02, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for watching my back and reverting the vandalism on my page! —Σosthenes12 17:45, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Jalebi

A jalebi for you

Here is one jalebi for you. Jalebi is a sweet popular in countries of the Indian Subcontinent, specially in India, Pakistan, Bangaldesh. Hope you'll like it.
Thank you.
TitoDutta 19:27, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks ...

.... for butting in on my talk page. I thought I was reasonably clear but apparently that wasn't the case! Equally apparently, my American sense of humor didn't go down too well :) --regentspark (comment) 19:56, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

No probs. Well, no probs to me, although it seems not to have been appreciated by A N Other. I'm getting a bit tired of the arguments of late - ANI, AfDs, BLPN, RSN, Yogesh et al at numerous articles, grindingly slow stuff at Talk:Bicycle helmets in Australia - and now Talk:Jat is kicking off again. It's not even school holidays yet but the silly season seems to have set in. - Sitush (talk) 20:09, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, it was nice to see Khandke and oranges show up to support restrictions on moi. Good to know I can always rely on those two :) Oranges, in particular, seems to have lost it completely with the arb election stuff. Still, I suppose it was silly to unblock DS - I'm a bit fed up with the culture of blocking that seems to have taken over the pedia but that's no excuse. Meanwhile school holidays are in full force here and I'm busy juggling kids and issuing ice cream bribes for good behavior! --regentspark (comment) 20:41, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Oranges, in particular, leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I predict a short shelf-life, likes Mango. (Try juggling ice cream and issuing kids as a bribe. Erm, maybe not the latter!) - Sitush (talk) 21:02, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Bacchan

The issue of mentioning caste for Bachchan and his family has been discussed on the article talk page. There is also a link at User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. Trying to get round WP:BLP by referring to his family rather than the man himself creates an inference and is not acceptable. - Sitush (talk) 14:12, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Si Tush, you obviously guard these articles like a hawk and I admire you for that. Since, you are so well versed in Misplaced Pages policies and are indeed, "Proposer" of many policies on India / Hindu related subjects, can you advice me on how to get the policy on mentioning caste of living persons changed ? After all, nothing is set in concrete, is it ? Best regards. Jonathansammy (talk) 15:00, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

It was recently discussed at WP:VPP because WP:BLP is a core policy. You are not going to get this changed any time soon. - Sitush (talk) 15:11, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Allergic to AAP?

I categorically state that i am NOT a member of ANY Political Party, specially not AAP, and I have no personal agenda/interest in promoting a person and/or political party. I am NOT operating under any pseudo-name, as most on wiki are.

An old inhabitant of this beautiful planet, I am enthused by the world wide phenomenon of citizens, specially the youth, protesting against the oppressive mis/non-governance by the elected few and thus followed India Against Corruption with great hope.

The agenda listed on the menu bar of AAP is a breakdown of the steps enunciated in the book for decentralisation - power back to the people. I think if the essence of a book is publicly acknowledged as the mission/inspiration by any political party, it should get a mention on the book page. "With Swaraj in mind, Kejriwal launches Aam Aadmi Party" http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/politics/with-swaraj-in-mind-kejriwal-launches-aam-aadmi-party/article4130337.ece

http://www.swaraj.info is a public page on different aspects of Swaraj (book) and does not "link an article to itself"

My present interest on the topic is only to help spread the news, as widely as possible to those who care, to participate in the happenings around, which in my opinion are for the good.

I had earlier contributed on Odissi, Mayadhar Raut, Madhumita Raut etc

"In your zeal to promote this anti-corruption messiah and his political party, you are overstepping a few marks and you are demonstrating the downsides that often come from someone operating as a single-purpose account." was totally uncalled for and an utterly biased statement validating the pertinent question raised in the heading. I have NO intention of getting into any war, let alone edit war, but I detest your wholesale deletion of additions rather than correcting the editorial mistakes, as you have done now. Thanks a lot. Ratanmaitra (talk) 00:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I have not checked the page, but looking at your comments even I am feeling that you want to promote something, especially when you say My present interest on the topic is only to help spread the news, as widely as possible to those who care, to participate in the happenings around, which in my opinion are for the good.. Misplaced Pages is not meant to promote causes not matter how good it is. Please read WP:NOTSOAPBOX .-sarvajna (talk) 02:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


As per OED sarvajna , 'promote' also mean "give publicity to (a product, organization, or venture) so as to increase public awareness".

Giving 'correct' information: 'My present interest on the topic is only to help spread the news', is what Misplaced Pages does, promoting awareness/knowledge/news(and not views), without hypes and/or value judgments (promotion, marketing), accessible by anyone interested from anywhere. Ratanmaitra (talk) 04:06, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, Ratanmaitra, but Misplaced Pages does not exist for the purpose of spreading news - see WP:NOTNEWS. In any event, if you wan to discuss matters relating to development of the Aam Aadmi Party or Swaraj (book) aricles then I'll hapilly do so at the relevant article talk pages. - Sitush (talk) 08:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Well Sitush, you are being pedantic now. Arab Spring, Occupy Wall Street, happenings in Brazil now, etc., all are/were 'news'! Thanks, anyway. Ratanmaitra (talk) 11:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:OSE. - Sitush (talk) 12:45, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

The cited examples were not argument of 'similarity' but illustration of ‘knowledge’ germinating from narrow definition ‘news’, though vice versa not always true. All arguments have counters, gravity depending on the context and predisposition of the evaluator, and should never be dismissed (deleted) perfunctorily; otherwise, very essence of universal collaboration gets lost, in spite of selfless work put in by many.

Sleeping on my thoughts, fearing entry into esoteric territory, decided to share it on your frequently visited page of ‘wiki-experts’. Ratanmaitra (talk) 03:11, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Similarly, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". One difficulty with articles on Misplaced Pages is keeping the things focussed and when the article concerns more-or-less current events then it gets very messy. We really, really should not have articles on such subjects and instead should allow some time to pass so that when we do write the things we do so with the benefit of hindsight and a sober review of the sources. Otherwise we end up with messes such as 2011 Indian anti-corruption movement. - Sitush (talk) 08:41, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree but leaving out contemporary issues is an easy way out, surrendering unique advantage of Misplaced Pages being on real-time. Hindsight does not provide the dynamics of an evolution, and runs the risk of 'your views vs my views', without reasonable means of checking on the 'facts', as it happened.

Sources are indeed a problem though may be overcome with a rider on its origin/interest/association regarding its accuracy, independence and reliability, and leave it to the reader to form her/his opinion. Same event written/broadcast differently, even with hindsight, is well known, 'extraneous factors' influencing 'facts'.

I agree to merger of 2011 Indian anti-corruption movement with 2012 Indian anti-corruption movement, the same movement evolving over years, but not to deletion of 90% content. I believe all sides should be suitably represented as there is really no "absolute truth", its always your (editor's) truth vs mine. Ratanmaitra (talk) 02:25, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Rahul Gandhi

Hi, can you please look into the article? I have removed material (social media "nickname", comments and opinion by Modi and BJP) that seems WP:Undue, WP:Opinion and not WP:Relevant. But, it's being added back in again and again. I have already reached the 3RR limit. Cliniic (talk) 07:55, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, apparently it was Rahul Gandhi's birthday yesterday and some think that is why the influx of edits came in. I'm tempted to think it is another strand of what is going to be a very messy few months in the run-in to next year's general elections. I know next to nothing about the man but it is possible that Modi and his BJP bully-boys (about whom I know a bit more) have figured out that Misplaced Pages is both influential and capable of manipulation. Either way, the issue of contributions to the article was raised at WT:INB and so there should be quite a few experienced people keeping an eye on things. - Sitush (talk) 08:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Well I think Indian political articles are poorly patrolled and prone to disruptive editing. A month ago, the Sonia Gandhi page made it 10 days without anyone reverting controversial edits like Nazi connections etc. I believe part of the blame lies with me, since I had taken responsibility of patrolling her page (taking a break) but its still annoying to realize that nobody else bothered to revert it before I came back. Anyway, thanks for the prompt reply! Cliniic (talk) 09:03, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

The user has reverted me again. He is citing the Narendra Modi page as a template in claiming the 'Pappu' nickname is relevant. I suppose you know what he is talking about? Cliniic (talk) 10:15, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Please read User_talk:Neo.#Rahul and continue discussion at Talk:Rahul Gandhi. I have no opinion as yet regarding the suitability of the contributions. - Sitush (talk) 10:44, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Hmm, but I reverted only once. The Legend of Zorro 23:24, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
You should not have reverted at all. It is not your draft and you should not mess around with it. If you have any constructive points to make then I am sure that there would be no problem with you mentioning them on the draft's talk page. Even then, please bear in mind that the rules for userspace differ from mainspace and indeed a user could almost always legitimately WP:OWN the drafts in their own space. To a large extent, it is one area of Misplaced Pages that defies the "anyone can edit" mantra. - Sitush (talk) 23:31, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Got it. Will Open a thread in talk page in future. Enjoy the strawberries for now. The Legend of Zorro 23:37, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Kulin Kayastha - Originally Kayastha or Shudra debate

Hello Sitush... There were n number of debates regarding the origin of Kulin Kayasthas on the related talk pages, and whether five Shudras or Kayasthas (later granted Kulina status) actually accompanied the Brahmins invited by King Adisur. Now, like reliable sources which are considered as reference(s) for this article, mention them as 'Shudra servants', similarly there are other reliable sources which mention them originally as Kayasthas. For example 'Tales of Bengal' by S.B.Banerjea (page 28, available on Google Books) mentions that Adisur invited five Kayasthas with five Brahmins. Similarly 'Bengal and Assam' (available on Google Books), actually a report on the Reconstitution of Provinces by Govt. of India, also mentions on Page 104 that five Brahmins and five Kayasthas from 'Kanouj' were invited and were settled in Bengal and formed the Kulin Brahmins and Kayasthas respectively. Similarly, we can find other sources as well. Based on the existing sources mentioned, and based on these new ones, and considering the huge debate through ages, will it not be fair to mention in the article on Kulin Kayastha, that there are both the opinions among historians. I believe this will make the article all the more neutral and make it all the more complete. Please let me know your opinion. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 11:36, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Best to post this on the article talk page and see what responses you get. I'll certainly look into it but you are unlikely to get a detailed response from me today. - Sitush (talk) 11:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your prompt reply. Anyway, I am going to post this on the relevant talk page as well. You may later on let me know your opinion as well. Ekdalian (talk) 11:45, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

INCOTM

We are approaching towards closing this month's nomination. Few days in hand. --TitoDutta 00:20, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes and, as I expected, nothing much is happening. I will be giving it a nudge but - honestly - having my name associated with it is far from being a positive. I have a certain reputation and it is not one that necessarily sits well with a role such as this. But, like I said, I'll give it a nudge. - Sitush (talk) 00:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Tito, I don't deny its past success. I've seen it even though I chose never to be involved at that time. I do not intend to be involved now: my only role will be as a co-ordinator, a postman. It would be absolutely fatal to the concept if I were to begin editing/commenting on stuff anywhere after the point where it is nominated. I just happen to think that even having my name attached to the process is, if not fatal, likely to be the kiss of death. I've said it before but you really need to appreciate that I have upset an awful lot of people with my work on India-related articles and that the manner of my editing pattern (especially the frequency of it) can tend to give the impression that I am trying to control/own things. I am well aware of the consequences of what I do and while I think that on balance they are beneficial, it should come as no surprise that a lot of people think otherwise. - Sitush (talk) 01:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Sitush, I am thankful to you for being there to save a lot of our articles from those who do not completely understand wiki policies. Also, I'll be willing to work on the INCOTM as there are plenty of articles which could be in lot better shapes. The Sino Indian war, for one, is pretty horrible from NPOV considerations. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 04:16, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

List of Kuldevatas of Goud Saraswat Brahmins

You should probably just nominate for deletion or keep up the unreferenced tag, I'm pretty sure you aren't suppose to blank it. --AshFR (talk) 05:45, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I was just trying something out and I told an admin - Regents Park - what I had done. It probably wouldn't work but it isn't exactly a core article & my intent was to self-revert in due course. No need to lecture me. - Sitush (talk) 08:50, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Playing the game!

I would like you to have a look look into the activities of this student user, who, in the past, has been blocked, created new accounts to overcome that, run multiple accounts, ostensibly retired very recently to bypass any other action that might have been taken against him, and reemerged today in his latest incarnation as The Rahul Jain, with the definite article, and a user page that is his article about himself. I have only had dealings with him at AfDs, as he has a habit of going there, instead of discussing the matter at the talk page of an article, if he disagrees about something in it. For the most part, his AfD nominations have failed and he has usually been the sole detractor. But I do think this user is playing the game, even allowing for good faith. I note another user has already mentioned this here:http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Rahuljain2307.2C_again . The Rahul Jain has deleted such comments on his talk page.Thanks.--Zananiri (talk) 11:10, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I have blocked the newest account per WP:SOCK. He can keep one account, but this bouncing from account to account is just ridiculous and disruptive. It doesn't really matter which one, so long as it's only one, and not a new one every few months. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:21, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, that's saved me some trawling through old debates etc. Ta! - Sitush (talk) 11:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)