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Image/source check requests

• Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Greed (film)/archive2 -- source spotcheck pls. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:42, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
• Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Sholay/archive1 -- source review and spotcheck pls. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:23, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Dup link tool

Is there a duplicate links tool? Does it know to ignore duplication between captions, infoboxes or references and the main text?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I see the sidebar link now. I forgot I had it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:19, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Jainism/archive4

I have removed the above nomination from the list, as it has been deleted. I am noting it here in case anyone believes that it should be restored and formally archived. No one but the nominator (who requested that the page be deleted) edited the nomination. J Milburn (talk) 18:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Tks for that. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:23, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Most FACs for a single article?

Does anyone know what the record is? (Successful or unsuccessful) —Designate (talk) 22:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what the record is but Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Juwan Howard/archive5 passed not so long ago. I have seen some 7s (don't recall if they passed), but I don't know what the highest passing number is.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:18, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

A quick search reveals Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/May Revolution/archive7 (successful) and Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Ralph Bakshi/archive9 / Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Real Madrid C.F./archive9 / Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/S&M (song)/archive9 (unsuccessful). None of the latter three have an "archive10". I cannot find an "archive8" or "archive9" apart from these three. Bencherlite 23:36, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Priyanka Chopra/archive2

Delegates requested to check any issues related to canvassing. I don't doubt that most of, if not all, of these support !votes were made without any undue influence, but I am concerned over the possibility of a tainted process. If the delegates consider my concerns to be a bit too conservative, I will strike my oppose !vote. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I have commented there, but I can't speak for Ian who might have a different opinion. Graham Colm (talk) 20:08, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Depth of reviews

I happened to read the TFA tonight and right away, several statements that looked "off" caught my eye; an examination of the sources revealed issues. I'm concerned that these sorts of issues should be picked up at FAC (Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Hiram Wesley Evans/archive1). (Thank you Crisco for the quick corrections, but my concern is that a more thorough review for accurate representation of sources should be undertaken.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

• Have checked three sources in that article, found a couple issues (one was a pagination issue) but generally accurate. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Kudos on you for getting on this so quickly and further reviewing the sources !! Could someone fix one last thing while it's still on the mainpage? There are synonyms for "damage"; can we not use it twice in one sentence in the TFA blurb? I would also like to suggest that three supports has historically been a minimum for promotion, it is not a given, and random spot checks for prose and accurate representation of sources can be helpful, particularly in an environment of declining reviewers. In this particular case, I was alarmed to find on the mainpage statements that stood out like sore thumbs as items that needed to be checked vs. the source. Thanks again Crisco for resolving this so quickly, regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:04, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Sorry I missed your post here (looks like it came at a time I was sleeping). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:47, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Can anyone please comment?

It's been two months since I nominated this article. It currently has three supports and one oppose; who has failed to revisit after s/he requested a c/e which was performed in a timely matter. I would really like to see this nomination end very soon since it already has a consensus of passing, but it needs more supports/comments from the community. Thanks, jona 00:31, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Post your concerns directly on Graham Colm's talk page. PumpkinSky talk 00:36, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I did and s/he did not replied. Best, jona 00:50, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I have replied on the FAC page. Graham Colm (talk) 06:13, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

"Who is in charge of the clattering train?" (ack. E. J. Milliken)

Further information: Misplaced Pages:Featured articles/2012 RfC on FA leadership

Can someone advise me of who is in charge of featured articles these days? The system is working well on a day-to-day basis; Ian and Graham are doing sterling service on the FAC, as is Bencherlite at TFA and, I am sure, other delegates at FAR. But they all have specified responsibilities, and cannot be expected to take on work beyond the range of their duties. However, the nominal FA director has shown no involvement or interest in the project for the past five months. I have a specific suggestion, not within the delegates' remit, which could require executive action, the sort of thing that a couple of years ago I would routinely have taken up with Raul. I see no point now in posting my query on his talk; he is not responding to any postings, not even to the gift of a pie. So what would be my most productive course of action? Brianboulton (talk) 19:08, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I would be interested in your suggestion. Perhaps here might be a good place to start? Graham Colm (talk) 20:02, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

• I agree with Graham. I think this is the place to float suggestions, and personally I don't see why consensus can't be reached here - before the train runs away, so to speak. Victoria (talk) 20:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

• OK, my general suggestion is that there should be a concerted drive to extend the current free JSTOR access available at present to selected editors. Further, as a general policy aim, we should seek to acquire access through other paywalls, such as Cambridge Journals and Oxford Journals and should begin investigating this as soon as possible. The latter suggestion may not be tenable at present, but we should have an aim and a strategy. With regard to JSTOR, I have a few specific concerns:

• The pilot scheme whereby 100 editors were given free access to the JSTOR archive expires in November 2013. Are any steps in hand to extend this? If not, it's important that there should be some speedy action in this respect. November is only four months away.
• Has any monitoring taken place to determine the extent to which this facility has been used by the editors with free access? Do we have any "sleepers" sitting on wasted accounts?
• Do we know whether any of the editors who signed up here below the 100-place mark have been given access?

• Raul654 is nominally the WP community's JSTOR contact. Whatever the future of the Featured Article Director title, someone needs to replace him in this specific role, with authority to speak on behalf of the community in any negotiations that may be necessary. Brianboulton (talk) 23:26, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, it seems that I am alone in worrying that the complimentary JSTOR access might be withdrawn in November and that there is no obvious leadership in position to renegotiate this arrangement. I'm not interested in another marathon argument about who or what should succeed Raul as FA director, but rather in who is going to take responsibility for this specific task. Brianboulton (talk) 15:37, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Brian, didn't notice your earlier comment. Yes, I am worried because I'm a slow editor, real life gets in the way at times, and I recently thought I should either go on a mass downloading spree or something, because I'll be unhappy when we lose access to JSTOR. I think that a year isn't long enough to gauge how effective it's been - bringing an article to FA takes a fair bit of time (at least for me), so I can only point to a few from this year, but all have relied on Jstor. Victoria (talk) 15:57, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I thought Stephen Walling at the WMF had actually dealt with JSTOR. He's currently no doubt stressed-out dealing with the introduction of the Visual Editor, but might be the best person to ask. Johnbod (talk) 16:42, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Brian, as John says, it was Steven Walling at the WMF who was dealing with JSTOR. My understanding at the time this was set up is that the first 100 would have access for one year, then the next 100 would. It would be great if that could be renegotiated so that lots of us, not only 100, will have continued access, but given how long the first negotiations took, trying to extend the subscriptions could be lengthy too. I'd therefore suggest that you contact Steven asap with your concerns, although he's likely to be tied up with the Visual Editor at the moment. SlimVirgin 19:38, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. Today is a holiday in the U.S. but I can answer all of Brian's questions tonight or tomorrow. (I am still in touch with our contact at JSTOR from time to time.) Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 19:46, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I've been doing a bit of reading lately on the federal judiciary in the US, so that may have influenced my opinions here. I see the role of the FA Director in two lights:

1. He or she assures the smooth functioning of the overall FA process by keeping the subprocesses (FAC, FAR, TFA) staffed with the appropriate decision makers.
2. Rarely, he or she adjudicates any controversies that rise above the level of decision making by the delegates at those subprocesses. This could involve closing FACs/FARs where the active delegates have to recuse, etc.

To keep those roles impartial, I've felt that the FA Director needed some level of independence as well as a level of accountability to the community. Serving in the role "during good behavior" and as long as the person was "willing and able" gave that independence. That the delegates' appointments were insulated from a direct popular vote also gave them the independence needed to truly decide whether or not an article merited promotion or demotion without the potential political fallout at election time. That isn't to say that the community couldn't replace the director, when circumstances warranted, or petition to have a delegate removed as needed.

At this time, I think circumstances warrant some action. I propose that the greater FA community proceed to elect a new FA Director. Interested candidates for the job should have a reasonable period to come forward with a nomination statement, and then the community should have a reasonable period to vote. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imzadi1979 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

• What about naming Graham and Ian co-directors? They seem to have been doing all the work for a while. Any thoughts about setting up an RFC to do that? Looie496 (talk) 21:07, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Nothing against that, but remember that the FA director also oversees FAR and TFA, so I don't know that this would be the best solution organizationally. --Rschen7754 23:37, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
    • I have to ask this one simple question. Why is Raul654 still listed as the FA Director when he has not shown up in 5 months? He should be removed immediately, whether or not a suitable replacement is currently available. Not to do so makes the whole concept of even having a FA Director look like a complete farce. For the time being, the current delegates can continue to go on doing what they are doing and be called delegates. Whether there is one person called a "director" at the moment is insignificant. Raul654 should be removed immediately without any further delay. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:55, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Comment

Sorry Brian for not responding earlier. A few of the other delegates and I have communicated on the JSTOR subject and I don't think we can add much to what's already been written above. I think JSTOR and the FA Director position were always separate issues, i.e. two different hats that Raul's worn, but since the question of Raul's absence as FA Director has been brought up again, let me offer a few thoughts on that at least -- my colleagues can jump in any time...

I'm in no hurry either to put someone new into the FA Director's role, or to eliminate it. Given Raul's great service to Featured Content over the years, I'd like to see him retain the title even if only in an honorary sense. The delegates were always supposed to take on all the responsibilities of the FAC Director bar appointing further delegates, and making the final decision if there was any issue about whether an article might or might not appear as TFA. Bencherlite has demonstrated that in Raul's absence he’s prepared to take – in consultation with the community -- the final decision re. controversial TFAs, so I consider that a non-issue now. I think there are also enough Featured Content delegates in total for them to consult and allocate responsibilities between themselves if there's risks to a job being performed. For instance Bencherlite is effectively running TFA single-handledly at the moment, but I understand now that Nikkimaria is prepared to make herself available to provide backup at TFA in addition to her FAR duties, which should mitigate that risk. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:06, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I endorse Ian's approach and his analysis of the limited role of the FA Director as it had become over time (i.e. to appoint the delegates to do the day-to-day work and to be the person with the final say on TFAs). I agree that the community is able to discuss the issue of controversial TFAs in a way that enables me (as the only active TFA person at present) to close such decisions based on consensus e.g. Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests/History of Gibraltar. I also agree that there are sufficient delegates available to deal with matters if there are problems at another branch of FA-land. I also agree that there is no bar as I see it to Raul retaining his title as FA Director as an honorary or emeritus position to recognise the work that he did here over many years, with no need to cast around for a successor. I welcome Nikkimaria's offer to assist at TFA, and would also note in this context that Dabomb87 has been in touch to say that he no longer feels able to be a TFA delegate given his current absence from Misplaced Pages. Bencherlite 12:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm happy to defer to the current delegates. I agree that a change of Raul's title to "FA Director Emeritus" would be acceptable, and would help to avoid any false impressions. - Dank (push to talk) 13:28, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Giving him an honorary title of "Director Emeritus" is fine, but any actual power he has should be removed in case he decides to show up a year or 2 from now and tries to retake control. The current delegates can still be called "delegates" as they are now delegates of the community rather than delegates of the FA director. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:29, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

My only concern is if new delegates need to be appointed at some point - what will happen then? --Rschen7754 07:29, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

In the past, new delegates have been appointed by Raul after consultation with current and previous delegates. As I've said above, I think the current pool of delegates should be able to cope with the tasks that need doing, one way or another, for the time being. Should a new delegate be required (as opposed to juggling responsibilities between existing delegates) then I'd hope that, in Raul's absence, the delegate pool could be entrusted to consult and appoint one. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

It's fair to say that the situation concerning Raul is unusual (and I wish him the best in the case that he's involuntarily inactive on Misplaced Pages). However, the current arrangements are clearly working well so there seems no need to appoint a new boss of the featured streams of work at present. Nick-D (talk) 08:48, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, sounds good. --Rschen7754 08:51, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

←There's lots of issues here, which seem to be working themselves out above, but I've just gone ahead and edited {{FAC-instructions}} and removed Raul from the header altogether. He clearly has no role anymore there, so there's no need to enshrine it (at least not in the instructions--a history of FA would be an interesting wiki-history if there was ever one, but that's neither here nor there.) In his absence the delegates have done an admirable job, so I think the matter of adding or replacing is best done between them and then presenting candidates to the FAC community as needed. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 12:12, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

The person who has no role here is you. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:21, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I fully support Ian's proposal and later comments. Graham Colm (talk) 12:19, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

David Fuchs, I reverted your change. The discussion is young, and the delegates are competent to install changes once consensus is defined. I will weigh in here eventually, agree with the delegate statements generally, and presume that those making intemperate and ungrateful statements about Raul/Mark are unaware of the full history of a) the FA process that he built, and b) the events leading to his absence. For now, I support the title of "Director Emeritus" for Raul654, and believe the processes to be in competent hands with the current delegates. As time allows (hopefully), I will lay out some things that the community could be doing to better help the delegates complete tasks that were done under Raul's leadership. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:26, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I re-added the change, as there's no reason to keep Raul in the instructions when he isn't around to respond to inquiries, and we don't need to wait for the delegate to make every change here (that's nothing against them personally—I like all of them). Should he return, I'd be happy to add him back myself. As for the circumstances surrounding Raul's disappearance, you are correct in saying that many of us don't know.... but we can't take into consideration what we don't know, so we have to go on what we do know, which is that he hasn't edited since February. Ed  17:33, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I am also in agreement with Ian's comments. I've also been inactive recently, especially on FAC, but I hope to get a little more active again now. Ucucha (talk) 13:28, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I would also support the director emeritus position for Raul. Since things are running well at present perhaps we should leave things as they are but have the delegates feel more free to propose changes in the processes to the community. And also to help out as needed in each others bailiwicks. I do not think there is any need to fill the position of director. When Raul took the position of director nine years ago the process was much smaller than it is now. Raul handled policy, appointments and the occasional recusal; those things can be done by the community and by other delegates.Wehwalt (talk) 14:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

My main concern is that we never reach a situation where delegates are beholden to nominators. We don't want a popularity contest, or the flip side of the coin: delegate behaviour based on fear of voter backlash. That is what has worked so well for years in the undemocratic semi-monarchical arrangement. Tony (talk) 14:17, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

That is exactly what we don't want, FA is not special as so many think. By that logic arbs should be arbs for life. PumpkinSky talk 14:31, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Raul always considered FA land his personal fiefdom and himself Director for Life. These ideas are anathema to the very idea of wiki. FA land should be run more like a project. Raul hasn't done much in over a year and his last edit was in mid Feb 2013 saying he'd post comments in a few days. He never did. He's clearly abdicated and FA tasks have been moving along just fine. The jobs are much larger than one person can reasonably handle. So I think the different tasks should stay pretty much as is with new people replacing the inactive ones on a consensus basis. For example, TFAR lists three people and Bencherlite is the only one that is active. Two more should be recruited. Nikki and Gerda have both helped them and they immediately come to mind. The FA Director title should change to FA Coordinator. Many projects have coordinators emeritus and Raul being an FA coordinator emeritus is fine but that does not mean he should be able to return and usurp his old role again. The various "delegates" should have their title changed to ""XXX Coordinator". They are not delegates, certainly not any more. The FA Coordinator selection should be done by consensus in the usual wiki ways, not left to a same group as some have suggested. Raul did a lot for FA land on wiki but he never should have done it in the manner he did, it was very unwiki, such as his comment about "This is FA related, so I can do whatever I want" (paraphrased). PumpkinSky talk 14:30, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Paraphrased indeed, and {{cn}} on your first sentence. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:36, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, to get back to Brian's original point about the expiration of JSTOR and the lack of anyone with any authority to advocate for resources that are behind a pay wall for content contributors. It's a serious concern. User:Ocaasi has done fine work in setting up access to one service and has established WP:The Misplaced Pages Library. This work should be encouraged. I'm not proposing him for featured article director I don't think anyone needs to fill that job since we've done just fine without one for quite some time. But whatever support we can throw behind him would be good.Wehwalt (talk) 17:54, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree that we might take all the power from Raul and give him an honorary title of "Director Emeritus" or whatever. Since I started nominating articles for FAC, I have never seen Raul anywhere and the process has worked just fine, thanks mostly to Graham's and Ian's endless efforts, which I appreciate a lot. This means that we don't need Raul anymore, and as such, we should just move on and leave him, and the position he held, in the past. I'm pretty confident that the current delegates are more than prepared to handle FAC just like they are doing. — ΛΧΣ 01:24, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

We already went through an RFC six months ago, which confirmed Raul as FAC director. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:37, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

And he's been directing what for the last year or so? Nothing. If anything he should be removed for not doing his job. I agree with Hac21, they system is working fine without him and we don't need to fill it, as long as we break up the tasks as they are now.PumpkinSky talk 02:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Hawkeye, I believe you mean a year and a half. And the community, whatever the merits, if any, of that RfC, was confirming a somewhat active editor, right now, we are discussing an editor who has not done so in five months. Abandoning his post. Don't they shoot you for that, in wartime?--Wehwalt (talk) 03:20, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Pumpkin: "That is exactly what we don't want"—which bit of my post were you referring to? Tony (talk) 02:08, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm saying that having one person on a project with so much power is anathema to wiki as is having a "Director for Life". Changing coordinators works fine on other projects and I see no reason it wouldn't here, but again, we don't need one overall director -- that has been proven by Raul not performing as the FA director for the last year or so. I suspect you won't agree, but you asked for clarification, so I clarified. PumpkinSky talk 02:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Where's Jimmy Wales when you need him? Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:52, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Jimmy gave up his God King status years ago. PumpkinSky talk 03:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone know if Raul is even still alive? Rreagan007 (talk) 02:50, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring

• Hi everyone, I've protected Template:FAC-instructions for three days owing to edit warring spurring from this discussion. Can we all work towards a consensus here first, please? I really don't want to have to block anyone here (which edit warring through full protection will likely warrant). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:46, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Wouldn't such edit warring lead to an automatic Arbitration Committee case? (as it would be wheel warring). Nick-D (talk) 02:55, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
    • Per WW, "usually". We can avoid it, in theory. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:57, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
      • Now that it's been full protected, only admins can edit war over it. Personally, I feel that keeping Raul's name in there is just denying reality. PumpkinSky talk 03:03, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
        • Nothing has been heard from Raul in months. He hasn't been actively involved in the FAC process in years. Nobody knows if he's ever coming back. I've also never seen anything definitely showing how he came to be the FA Director in the first place. Did he just appoint himself to the position for life? That can't be right. I understand people have a lot of respect for the things he has done in the past, but it's time to move on. Rreagan007 (talk) 03:11, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
          • Raul, to his credit, did much to set up the Featured Article process in 2004. There was discussion then, and he was given the position, which did not contain an expiration date. By the time I joined the process in 2008, Raul was a distant figure who rarely participated in discussions and never in reviewing, and sometimes closed FAC when the then-delegates had conflicts of interests. And he also selected the TFA until he appointed delegates for that, somewhat later (2011?)--Wehwalt (talk) 03:41, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
            • And what does Raul do now as FA Director? Rreagan007 (talk) 04:25, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Just to add my voice to the discussion: it's clear to me that Raul should not be listed as director on the page, regardless of what he has done in the past, due to his lack of active involvement. I also share concerns about the "director for life" status, if that's what it is. J Milburn (talk) 08:06, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

RFC on governance of the FA forums

Dear colleagues, current circumstances suggest that it's time for a structural adjustment in the governance of the three FA forums (FAC, FAR, and TFA). Two problematic issues have, inter alia, been discussed on this page: first, Raul, who has been FA director since 2004, has not edited since 11 February; and second, the director's role is not well defined and has involved little or no activity for some years.

The proposal, with minimal change in mind, is that we make three adjustments: (a) no director; (b) current "delegates" renamed as "coordinators", since their roles would no longer be delegated; and (c) the coordinators in committee—after consulting with the FA community—determine any further changes and fill vacancies.

The last is a pragmatic compromise to avoid the popularity contest that would result from voting for coordinators, while enabling the community to express its views on any proposed changes or appointments. It acknowledges that we already invest considerable trust in the FA coordinators (currently "delegates"), a trust that in my observation they have never abused.

This is the formal proposal:

1. FA director: That there no longer be a position of FA director,
2. Emeritus FA director: That the community record its profound gratitude to Raul for his creation of and service to the FA project over the past decade, and that he be asked to accept a new, honorary position of emeritus FA director, in which he might offer high-level advice in relation to the FA forums.
3. FAC coordinators. That the current three FAC delegates be renamed FAC coordinators and continue in their roles, without reference to a director.
4. FAR coordinators. That the current two FAR coordinators continue in their roles.
5. TFA coordinator. That the only active TFA delegate, Bencherlite, be renamed TFA coordinator, without reference to a director.
6. Changes and vacancies. That the FAC, FAR, and TFA coordinators in committee—after consulting with the FA community—determine any further changes and fill vacancies.

FAR is already run by coordinators, without reference to a director.
Dabomb has indicated to Bencherlite that he is no longer available for TFA duties, and Gimmetrow/Gimmetoo has not edited since January 2013. It has been noted above that FAR coordinator Nikkimara has agreed to serve as a backup TFA delegate/coordinator.

I am about to advertise this RFC at WP:VP, WP:CD, WP:CENT, and the talk pages of the other featured-content forums. I look forward to input from the community. Tony (talk) 10:53, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

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• Tony (talk) 10:53, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

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