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Suggestions?

Hello Oliver,

Thank you so much for reviewing the page I created for Khaldoun Almhanna. The tag suggested that the article may need editing, more in-depth citations, or even complete reorganization. Would you be willing to provide me with specific feedback about how I can improve the article? I'm a new editor, so I appreciate any criticism that will help me improve my wiki-writing skills. Thank you so much for considering, Jcmeberhard (talk) 15:38, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, that's a great article for a new editor!--Mishae (talk) 15:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

@Jcmeberhard: totally! Looking at the article now:

1. I'd suggest compressing a few of the paragraphs. In the opening section, for example, above the table of contents, you have a lot of one-line paragraphs; these might work better if you combined them into only one or two paragraphs.
2. We normally don't put honorifics before names in article text - so, it would just be "Almhanna was awarded" rather than "Dr. Almhanna was awarded" or whatnot.
3. Medical fields (Ontology, Hematology) normally don't tend to be capitalised in article text - we capitalise Proper Nouns.
4. Degree qualifications (M.D.) normally aren't listed after the name in the opening sentence; memberships are. So if he was a fellow of the Royal Society of Medicine then you'd list (presumably) FRSM; if he had a PhD, you wouldn't list that.

Other than that, it's a really good article; one any editor would be proud of, be they new or old :). No objection to the references - in fact, it's rare to find a new article that has such great referencing. Ironholds (talk) 15:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

I have an objection though. We have a further reading and external links section for excessive references...--Mishae (talk) 15:58, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

No, "further reading" is for things not used as references that cover the subject of the article. Ironholds (talk) 16:02, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the detailed feedback! Your points regarding writing convention standards (capitalization, titles, and order of information) are incredibly helpful because I knew I was probably off, but didn't know where to go in order to learn those conventions. Also, thanks for the positive feedback because I've had a couple articles nominated for deletion based on citation disputes, even after receiving a review from the biography and medical groups. I'm still learning about what is appropriate and expected in living persons articles, and often feel I'm failing. So, thanks for being so helpful and supportive. Hopefully I'll continue to improve, Jcmeberhard (talk) 16:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh, no problem :). Yeah, this place has...a lot of rules. The conventions can be found in WP:MOS, for example, which I worked out some time ago was longer than my thesis. I'd advocate reading things one step at a time ;p. Ironholds (talk) 16:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Mishae, are you suggesting I use a "further reading" category instead of "selected bibliography?" I do cite most of the items in the selected bib in the article, however, they are already listed in notes as references. The selected bib section was meant for medical readers who may want to easily copy the list in order to go look up the physician's work after reading the article. Jcmeberhard (talk) 16:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I wouldn't bother with that. Bibliography, in this context, would mean "works written by the subject". Further reading would be "works about the subject not already used as references". While there is inevitably going to be some overlap, they're not the same set. Ironholds (talk) 16:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Another thing that I would suggest is to cite references and wikify publishers, such as all those journals. For an example how a science biography article should look check this one: Boris Kholodenko.--Mishae (talk) 22:37, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

There should be a button that looks like two sets of curly braces in the toolbar; clicking that drops down an easy citation formatter. But it's non-urgent, so don't kill yourself trying to do it :). Ironholds (talk) 22:50, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

These are wonderful pointers, Mishaeand Oliver. Thank you so much. I'll implement over time, in this and other articles I'm editing. Thanks for the wonderful feedback! Jcmeberhard (talk) 02:51, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

You are so much welcome, feel free to ask us any more questions. We will be happy to answer them!--Mishae (talk) 02:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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Greeter

Is it OK if I become a greeter at the Misplaced Pages as well? I already greeted one person: User talk:Tekirkopek--Mishae (talk) 16:38, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

You don't need permission from any editor to do that :). I would, if I were you, internally evaluate if you will be able to answer all of the questions they might have, but the worst-case scenario is you can pass them to other users. Ironholds (talk) 16:53, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I already greeted two more. So far no one asked me anything. :)--Mishae (talk) 16:56, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, yesterday I greeted over a 100 souls, and only one of them asked me a question regarding transexualism on my talkpage. Do you know anyone who might help a new guy?--Mishae (talk) 16:04, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

It's expected that someone welcoming users will be able to answer queries themselves. Given what this user is asking for, I'd go ask the original uploaders of the maps. Ironholds (talk) 16:07, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Who could be found where?--Mishae (talk) 19:28, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Check the file history. Ironholds (talk) 21:49, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

 Done I greeted 3000 if not more users in a week!--Mishae (talk) 03:10, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Autopatrol userbox

Where can I find Autopatrol userbox for my userpage? Or it only applied to admins, recent change patrols and reverters?--Mishae (talk) 02:26, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Don't know, I'm afraid. Ironholds (talk) 02:42, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

@Mishae: I think you can find it here: Misplaced Pages:Userboxes/Wikipedia/User groups. — ΛΧΣ 03:00, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!--Mishae (talk) 03:09, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Comedians

Do you know anyone that specializes in comedians and weather a nomination worth an article?--Mishae (talk) 15:18, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

On-wiki, I'm afraid not. Ironholds (talk) 15:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)