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Partially hydrogenated coconut oil

In the Health section is a quote: ""Most of the studies involving coconut oil were done with partially hydrogenated coconut oil, which researchers used because they needed to raise the cholesterol levels of their rabbits in order to collect certain data. Virgin coconut oil, which has not been chemically treated, is a different thing in terms of a health risk perspective. And maybe it isn’t so bad for you after all."

In the table about the Composition of various oils, coconut oil is included but there is no indication if that is "partially hydrogenated coconut oil" or virgin kind that "isn’t so bad for you after all." Based on the quote, it seems this may be an important difference. Could someone add the information about both types to the table? Thanks. CBHA (talk) 18:07, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Health organizations against

An IP has removed the following piece three times: "Many health organizations advise against the consumption of high amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of saturated fat."

On my talk page, the editor explained, "coconut oil is very heathly for you give me a souce where health companies think its bad for you mma fighters n athelets eat it everyday"

I replied, "That various athletes use it does not, in any way, demonstrate that it is healthy to do so. The "Health" section cites numerous organizations (United States Food and Drug Administration, World Health Organization, International College of Nutrition, the United States Department of Health and Human Services, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association, British National Health Service, and Dietitians of Canada) saying as much. If you disagree, please discuss the issue on the article's talk page. Thanks." (As the text is in the lede summary, we typically do not cite the claim there when it is extensively sourced later in the article.)

Comments? - SummerPhD (talk) 13:56, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Although many health organizations warn against the consumption of coconut oil because of saturated fat content, consumption of coconut oil is recommended by an alternative health organization called the Weston A. Price Foundation. This recommendation is based on research of the effects of the consumption of saturated fats on cholesterol and also of specifically the consumption of coconut oil on cholesterol. One such study examined the effects of removing coconut oil from a person's diet. The effects were an increase in total and LDL cholesterol and a decrease in HDL cholesterol.
  • Mary G. Enig, PhD. "A New Look at Coconut Oil". Weston A Price Foundation. 01 January 2000 19:37. www.westonaprice.org. 25June13.
  • Prior IA, Davidson F, Salmond CE, Czochanska Z. Cholesterol, coconuts, and diet on Polynesian atolls: a natural experiment: the Pukapuka and Tokelau Island studies. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 34:1552-1561;1981
Wkemp22 (talk) 04:44, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Wkemp22
Generally when we present health information in an article, it needs to be sourced following WP:MEDRS. The sources and organization you mention above fail MEDRS. --Ronz (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
This needs to be revisited. Weston A Price is not the only source on Coconut Oil's benefits. If I could submit my own blood test results over a 3 year time span, I would, but cross research on this to offer a counterpoint would do a lot of good. 71.219.254.137 (talk) 04:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for offering to submit your own research, but, unless your research has been subjected to peer-review and published in a reputable scientific or medicinal journal, mentioning your own personal experiments would violate Misplaced Pages's policy about original research--Mr Fink (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Of course not! People on Misplaced Pages need resources to quote, so I understand, but people as a whole are being lied to about the benefits and health of Saturated Fats. But I understand why it's not common knowledge. Yet. The time will come. 71.34.128.135 (talk) 06:40, 7 August 2013 (UTC) (same as previous comment, even if my IP has changed)
THC Loadee has been indefed for disruption/personal attacks/socking. Due to IP socks, this article is semi-protected. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:18, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Composition

There used to be a detailed composition of the fatty acid profile on this oil, and it's been replaced altogether with a chart that summarizes the composition in comparison to other oils. Can someone please add back the detailed composition of this oil? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spudchick (talk • contribs) 19:08, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Changes to lead

The changes to lead violate several guidelines and policies including WP:MEDRS for sourcing, WP:LEAD, and WP:NPOV in setting up poor sourcing as superior to the medical consensus by implying the medical consensus is a "misconception". Yobol (talk) 00:29, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

More importantly, the edit misrepresented the sources by making them appear to be stating things they did not state. Or the edit had a original research problem - the edit appeared to say that organizations like LiveStrong and diabetesincontrol.com know better than the WHO, the DHHS, the ADA, and other well-respected international organizations, but the actual sources appearing on those pages don't even mention the WHO, DHHS, ADA, etc. Zad68 02:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
This article has reoccurring problems of this nature, NPOV and BATTLE problems centering around (and usually ignoring the information in) Saturated fat and cardiovascular disease controversy.
We just need to keep an eye on the article. --Ronz (talk) 03:45, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
It just goes to show you that there's no such thing as an article you can expect to be free from this sort of conflict... Zad68 04:05, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Oh come on. It's not that bad. After all, no one has suggested that the "truth" is being suppressed by a super-secret international conspiracy of doctors, health agencies and vegetable oil manufacturers. Yet. - SummerPhD (talk) 12:03, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Shhhhhh!! Zad68 12:44, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone here dispute the definition of medium and long-chain fatty acids? Does anyone here dispute that coconut oil is made up of roughly two-thirds medium-chain fatty acids? Does anyone here dispute the difference between refined coconut oil, hydrogenated coconut oil and extra virgin coconut oil? THC Loadee 20:48, 29 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by THC Loadee (talk • contribs)

I changed my sources to conform with WP:MEDRS. Yet, my edits are still being vandalized. This is ridiculous.THC Loadee 01:32, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
If, as you quoted on your talk page, "Edit warring over content is not vandalism", then your edits are not being vandalized. AutomaticStrikeout  ?  02:44, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, if no one is going to address my concerns here on the talk page then I suppose that means there is no problem with my edits. -THC Loadee 08:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by THC Loadee (talk • contribs)
Or, we could all be waiting for you to address Yobol's and Zad's concerns while you continue edit warring and mistakenly assuming argument from silence and mistaking silence for consensus.--Mr Fink (talk) 14:51, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
  • As an fyi, reverting additions to content (including in an edit-warring situation) is not a minor edit. Examples of minor edits include "typographical corrections, formatting and presentational changes, and rearrangements of text without modification of its content". I'm looking at AutomaticStrikeout and User:Apokryltaros. As far as the content, I would recommend using the strongest source, like the 2010 Dietary Guideline, and dropping older references and the dead-links (seems to be a few). Surprisingly, THC Loadee did not start with an obvious source such as "Once a Villain, Coconut Oil Charms the Health Food World" (2011, NY Times). Unfortunately, the Cornell scientist quoted in the article, Tom Brenna, does not seem to have ever published the coconut oil lit review mentioned, although he's been publishing a fair amount. The literature on coconut oil still appears very thin, with one 2012 review (Coconut Oil for Alzheimer’s Disease?; questionable publisher, but decent article) finding only 3 human studies total. II | (t - c) 07:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Clarification of the obvious

If someone reverts your edit, read the edit summary. If, upon reading the edit summary, specifically discuss the issue on the talk page. Saying your edit is now correct on the talk page is not discussing the issue. If several editors revert your edit several times and you are blocked for edit warring, do not assume that lack of discussion on the talk page means everyone has now agreed with you. Additionally, do not edit under an IP address and/or another user name during your block. Gee, thanks! - SummerPhD (talk) 16:05, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

It appears that THC Loadee is more interested in perpetuating the edit war, while simultaneously ignoring all attempts at discussion and accusing everyone who doesn't agree with him of ignoring all of his alleged attempts at discussion.--Mr Fink (talk) 19:36, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

THC Loadee has been indefed for disruption/personal attacks/socking. Due to IP socks, this article is semi-protected. - SummerPhD (talk) 23:18, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Another sock. (See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/THC_Loadee.) Watch for more, request protection as needed. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:50, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Table of composition flawed (wrong numbers according to cited source)

The numbers itself are in the wrong format. Take coconut: 91.00, 6.000 and 3.000. Either 91.00 or the others or all of them are in a wrong format, see https://en.wikipedia.org/Decimal_mark#Digit_grouping. Perhaps it is the european notation (in the english wikipedia?) and a typo so that it should be ninethousandonehundred? I don't think so.

But the numbers itself don't add up. The source cited in the table is and for "oil, coconut" and "oil, cottonseed" it shows different numbers than presented in this article. 87.139.217.27 (talk) 14:29, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

  1. http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/
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