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October 22

Can't seem to create a thumbnail! Help.

I added a photo I took last night of a celebrity, Lucie Arnaz, whose photo on[REDACTED] was small, blurry and from 1988. Trouble is I could only get the large image to show on the front page (400px) and it would not generate a thumbnail. What am I doing wrong? I hope you like the photo as much as I do. Geri Lucie Arnaz — Preceding unsigned comment added by G00dnews (talk • contribs) 00:23, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I deleted the |image size parameter, & the |thumb. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

There are 2 problems, however. Firstly you say that the picture was previously published at www.goodnewsnetwork.org, so you need to go through the process for donating copyrighted material. Secondly, your user name suggests that it represents your organization, rather than you as an individual, so you ought to read WP:CORPNAME & then choose a new user name to represent you as an individual. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:41, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

15:05, 21 October 2013 Deb (talk | contribs) deleted page Nanda Mallawaarachchi (G2: Test page)

Can we ask why this page was deleted even before review? We have abided by all copyrights and have referenced more than 20 items. Please confirm ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lankalion1 (talk • contribs) 00:58, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I think a mistake may have been made. It seems that you intended to use articles for creation, but created the page in the main article namespace. Is that correct?

I have asked User:Deb to indicate more on why it was deleted at User talk:Deb. DES 01:48, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

The formatting of the infobox template cause bad display of the article. I fixed it. -- Jreferee (talk) 02:10, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I hope the creator understands where they went wrong. If they had used the "review" facility, they would no doubt have realised. Deb (talk) 11:25, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Reflist Problem

I'm having a problem with the reflist on this article which I created: Anne D'Evergroote. It says that there is a reflist error, but I cannot find any error! Everything looks right to me! (By the way, please don't fix it for me. I want to fix it. Just tell me how to fix it. Thanks!). SuperHero2111 (talk) 01:04, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Why won't someone help me? I can't wait any longer! SuperHero2111 (talk) 01:17, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Please don't be impatient. Remember that your questions are being answered by volunteers. The fact that you hadn't had a reply within 13 minutes isn't going to cause the world to stop.

The problem is that you've got your <ref>...</ref> after your {{reflist}} rather than before it. The <ref>...</ref> should be in the body of the article, immediately after the text that you wish to support with the reference. See WP:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 01:21, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Even if this desk weren't watched by volunteers, I can't think of any forum/board/etc for tech support on any site that promises an immediate response by any of the staff of the organization. Even if they have a chat feature, there is often a line of people in front of you who are waiting to chat with a live person as well. So, in the end, the lesson of being patient applies not just here with volunteers. Dismas| 01:27, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I know. I was just joking, I wasn't really angry or impatient. I often like to joke on talk pages, and insert jokes into my edit summaries. :D SuperHero2111 (talk) 02:18, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Switzerland

There is a very strange edit at the bottom of this talk page. Is this vandalism? —Anne Delong (talk) 01:42, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

It may well be. Just i case I have hated the post instead of simply reverting. DES 01:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Reversing a redirect

I'd like to create an article on Edward Montagu, 1st Baron Montagu, who died in 1361. However there's a redirect in place which takes one from Edward Montagu, 1st Baron Montagu, to Edward Montagu, 1st Baron Montagu of Boughton, a different person who lived much later. Can I reverse the redirect so that I can create the article? NinaGreen (talk) 03:03, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Go to Edward Montagu, 1st Baron Montagu and let it take you through the redirect. Then at the top of the article you'll see where it says "Redirected from Edward Montagu, 1st Baron Montagu". It's just under the title of the article. When you click on that link, it will take you to where the redirect lives. You can then edit that page with the information that you want to post. It would be best to mention that there are two Barons of Boughton though at the top of the new article and helpfully provide a link to the Boughton article that is now in place. Dismas| 03:13, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much. It worked perfectly. Much easier than I thought it would be! NinaGreen (talk) 03:48, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Adding content to a previously deleted page.

Hi there, I was going to add some content on a page for Plumbee Ltd, a social games company in the UK, but found that the page has previously been deleted. I can't really find much information on what used to be there or why it was deleted other than:

This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.

03:30, 12 August 2013 Amatulic (talk | contribs) deleted page Plumbee (G5: Creation by a blocked or banned user in violation of block or ban)

I have created a page within my own sandbox, here: User:Grepus/Plumbee

Is there any reason not to publish this yet? I have cited relevant sources where possible, etc.

Best regards

Grepus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grepus (talk • contribs) 10:29, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

As long as the topic passes the notability guidelines, then there shouldn't be much of an issue. If you are unsure, submit it at articles for creation, and the editors there will decide if it's ready to go live.  drewmunn  talk  10:31, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, the reason why the article was deleted is that it was evidently originally created by a sockpuppet. (A blocked user should not be able to edit, but can evade the block by unregistered editing, which is considered sockpuppetry, or by creating an alternate account, a sockpuppet. A banned user should also be blocked, but can evade the block by unregistered editing or by creating an alternate account.) The deletion of articles created by sockpuppets of blocked or banned users is not mandatory, but is a necessary enforcement mechanism. As mentioned above, if the reliable sources back up the company's notability, you can either create the article in article space, create it in user space and move it to article space, or submit it at Articles for Creation. The last has the advantage of getting feedback, but the disadvantage of requiring a wait for review. If you create it in article space, be sure to include your references in the first version, or someone may attempt to speedy-delete it. If you create it in article space or move it into article space, there may be a deletion discussion, but if your sources are reliable evidence of notability, the consensus will be either Keep (which keeps it) or No Consensus (which does nothing and so keeps it).

Pajala-Ylläs Airport

Change the title from Pajala-Ylläs Airport to Pajala Airport — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.196.35.53 (talk) 13:33, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Can you provide one or more reliable sources that confirm this is the proper name for Pajala–Ylläs Airport? The official site linked to from the current article seems to agree with your suggestion, but it is in Swedish (I presume) and I can not be sure of its content. DES 14:05, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

In any case this would be better taken to the talk page of the article concerned. Britmax (talk) 14:09, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

 Done Quite true. I have copied the above to the talk page, and asked for assistance from the relevant Wikiproject. DES 15:08, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Typeface Size

The tiny type size is hard on the eye. How can the reader enlarge this for downloads? digger - s— Preceding unsigned comment added by Diggerer (talk • contribs) 14:37, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

The size of text is usually determined by your browser, not Misplaced Pages. In most browsers "Ctrl +" or "Ctrl and roll mouse wheel forwards" will make text bigger, "Ctrl -" or "Ctrl roll mouse wheel back" makes it smaller and "Ctrl 0" returns it to normal. If you mean database downloads rather than normal Misplaced Pages pages, these are viewed in browsers as well. Arjayay (talk) 15:44, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Brackets Around Reference

When a person places brackets around each end of a reference (e.g. <ref></ref>) what is this called? It alters the way the reference appears on the article page, it sort of "collapses" the reference, but I'm not sure what you would call it. What is something a user could use in an edit summary when doing this to a reference? Also what's the purpose of doing it? 24.90.159.87 (talk) 15:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

The <ref> tags make it a footnote, often used as a citation, and often called a "ref" from the somewhat confusing name of the tag (because a reference is different from a citation.) Ptting a url into brackets is often called an "external link", (which can be done outside a ref tag) and a citation with just a URL (with or without brackets) and no additional data is often called a "bare URL". In any case it is much better style and practice to supply the title and source of the page the link goes to, and the author, date and other information as available. One can use templates such as {{cite web}} to format these in a consistent way, but this is not required. See Referencing for beginners and then WP:CITE for more information about this. DES 15:22, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

It's called wrong. You should only do that if you are going to add a descriptor after the URL, viz: <ref></ref>, which prevents the "collapsing" of the reference.--ukexpat (talk) 15:23, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

defining custom constants in a wiki page

I would like to define a custom constant in a wiki page, to be only used in that page.
In the case in mind it is to be used to replace the page name of a link that appears many times in the page, to both save space and reduce typing errors. But if available it could be used for non-links as well.

I have tried redirect shortcuts, which works but displays unintelligible links in the status lines of browser. It is probably not very efficiant for Misplaced Pages either.
I have thought of using a template containing only the text required, but it like redirects seems overkill to solve the problem that only concerns a single page.
As well, a constant defined in the page can be made shorter, as there would be no ambiguity or potential conflict.

It would be very convenient if I could use something like {{MP}}="my arbitrary text" at the top of the page in question, and then use {{MP}} in place of the text.
So my question is : is there a way of defining a constant in a page that will only be used in that page ?

You could create and transclude a sub-page, as if it wore a template. If you wanted to do this on User:Example/Test Page you could create User:Example/Test Page/MP and place the desired text on it, and then use {{/MP}} on the page, which treats the sub-page like a template, if I am not mistaken. Whether this would be overkill you would have to determine. DES 15:33, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that will work. Except in article space where subpages are not enabled and any slash is part of the title. --  Gadget850 17:20, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

It looks like subpages as templates will solve my problem. I should have thought of that, I've used/created both subpages (for testing) and templates.

And no, I don't consider it overkill since it is effectively private templates (without risk of conflict), to me a nice clean solution. Although being able to define constants directly would be somewhat better.

I'm now considering converting some existing templates to more compact subpages

Thanks for the suggestion :) André437 (talk) 18:26, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Out of (extremely idle) curiosity, given WP:Overlink, why do you need to "replace the page name of a link that appears many times in the page"? Arjayay (talk) 18:33, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

New article, but the page with the same name already exists

I would like to ask the following question: I'm ready to make "live" a new Misplaced Pages article regarding the trance music label Avatar Records. My problem is that an article with the same name exists, as Avatar Records is also an American rap music label. How can I solve this issue? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petrols (talk • contribs) 15:38, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

The guideline is located here. Short version: Perhaps name it Avatar Records (Trance music) or something like that. Jarkeld (talk) 15:49, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

You might want to take a look at WP:INCITE as well re: your citations. Jarkeld (talk) 15:52, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Your draft is not ready to go live. You need to read WP:Referencing for beginners, and then ensure that the statements in the text are specifically verifiable by references to published reliable sources independent of the subject. You need to ensure that by that means you can demonstrate that the subject is notable in Misplaced Pages's terms, & specifically WP:Notability (music). When you have done that, there is a link in the box at the top of your draft which you can click to submit the draft for review. If the draft is accepted, the reviewer will sort out the disambiguation by adding clarification to the title of each article. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Need help with a figure file

Hi, I created Neural Plasticity (journal) and took an image of the cover from the journal homepage. However, when I uploaded it here (see article infobox), the (red printed) text on the image that is visible on their website does not display here. I have no clue why, any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 14:27, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I tried to upload a new version, but it showed the same symptoms that yours did, so I'm as confused as you are. :-( - David Biddulph (talk) 17:29, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

It's probably a colour space problem - I'll take a look.--ukexpat (talk) 18:07, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, to me it seems fine now! Don't know what David did different from what I did, but it works (at least for me)... --Randykitty (talk) 18:09, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

The image on the publisher's web page is actually an svg file, so this probably has something to do with fonts. Figuring it out would probably require knowing the exact details of the download process, the browser, etc. -- but it probably isn't worth the trouble. Looie496 (talk) 18:17, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Interesting that my version looks OK now, though it didn't when I first uploaded it; perhaps a caching problem? - David Biddulph (talk) 18:46, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps. To avoid such things, I have my cache defined at 0 Kb. (But I have a rather fast connection). --Randykitty (talk) 18:48, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I found an svg version of the cover and uploaded that - looks better I think.--ukexpat (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

It does, many thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 18:25, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

The entire Commons has disappeared (or seems like it)

I've just tried to go into some of the commons tags that I've added (and some that I didn't), but instead they all keep going to a Wikimedia Foundation page claiming that "There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs, but you do not have permission to create this page." This had better be a glitch, and one that doesn't require uploading everything all over again. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 17:27, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

UPDATE - Okay, I just found out that I was still able to get into the commons, but some commons tags still lead to that message for some stupid reason. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 17:38, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Same problem here. I guess that the developers deployed an update to the MediaWiki software and it got things messed up. I hope that they fix it soon. --NaBUru38 (talk) 17:42, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I used a bookmark to go to my watchlist and got to the login page, but was told that my userid does not exist. However, when I went to an image here that is hosted on commons and clicked "see the page there", I got into commons fine, was still logged in, and could click and see my watchlist. Far as I can see, that URL was the same as my bookmark, so beats me why the bookmark doesn't work... --Randykitty (talk) 18:02, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

It has something to do with https. My bookmark is simply to http, when I added the "s", it worked fine... --Randykitty (talk) 18:06, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

This is now being discussed over on WP:VPT, probably a more likely place for a solution. DES 18:38, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Creating an article

Can you create an article from scratch or do you need permission to do so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.19.185 (talk) 18:52, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

to create a new article pare a user needs to be "auto-confirmed", that is, a user must have an account, it must have been created at least 4 days ago, and have made at least 10 edits. Users who do not log in or are not auto-confirmed can use Articles for Creation, where experienced editors review drafts. This process is also a good idea for relatively new editors, even if they are technically able to create articles. See also My First Article. DES 19:02, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

According to Misplaced Pages:User access levels#New users, the 4 days/10 edits limits don't apply in this case - you could create an article with your very first edit after registering an account. But you are much more likely to be successful if you first read the My First Article page or use the Articles for Creation process. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:02, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

And of course follow the advice.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:37, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Unclear question

Awareness of statistics and data manipulation see harpers ixsnay on #1 147 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.233.48.100 (talk) 19:03, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Would you care to explain that, please? DES 19:07, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Is there a rule concerning the deletion of quotes?

Long quotes of respected wp:rs were deleted for no reason. The diff page.

In my opinion long quotes are useful to reduce the clutter in the article, since it stays at the bottom , and the interested reader can read it when the cursor is hovering above the tag. It increase the article loading time, but I do not think it is important, especially since it might be used to move text from the article to the long quotes (explanatory footnotes).

Is there a rule concerning the deletion of the quotes? Ykantor (talk) 20:37, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

update: I have just seen a deletion explanation in the talk page. I do not accept this explanation. Ykantor (talk) 20:48, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you say you have just seen it, since you have been involved in that discussion for quite some time. Continue the discussion on the article's talk page, and if you can't reach a consensus then follow the guidance at WP:DR. RudolfRed (talk) 21:08, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

There were 11 minutes only before I updated. Does that worth such a negative response? . Can I undestand that there is no such a rule?

It is even more important than usual to avoid edit-warring, because the article is under discretionary sanctions. You may mention that status on the article talk page if the other editor continues deleting your quotes. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:35, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I understand the edit-warring problem, and I am not engaged in such a situation. I will follow your advice but I am not optimistic since it is not his first time to delete references and I have told him. Anyway, is there a written rule against deleting references for no reason or a bizarre reason? thanks Ykantor (talk) 17:39, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

For some unknown reason, no volunteer has stepped forward to assist us in solving the dispute on the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine . When will I be able to resume editing the article? Trahelliven (talk) 18:16, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Table with different number of rows in each column?

How does one create a table with 3 entries in one row like this:

Name	A	B
1902
	Rontgen	Neutron
	Electron	Current
		Proton

Where instead of the Rontgen+Electron cell allocated space isn't 1/3 and 2/3 in row height:

Name	A	B
1902
	Rontgen	Neutron
	Electron	Current
		Proton

But rather 3/2 ie divided equally ..?
(to be expanded to other variations too ie 5/3 etc)
Electron9 (talk) 21:11, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Try setting the height of particular cells.

Name	A	B
1902
	Rontgen	Neutron
	Electron	Current
	Proton

Warning: this technique is fragile since it depends on setting absolute pixel heights. percentages apparently don't work in this situation. You could also use a nested table. see Help:Table for lots more detail DES 22:08, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Any technique that is independent of neighboring cells?, ie split 5/4, 4/3 etc of row height. Electron9 (talk) 22:30, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Wiki page edits

Hello,

I have recently created a page and much of the information I provided (picture included) has been deleted. On top of this, there are gramatical errors that are being made during the editing process through Misplaced Pages.

I went back in and corrected a few things but then it was immediately changed again. Is there any reason why the page would be shortened and littered is mis-edits?

I hope this can be resolved.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxwell J Berlin (talk • contribs) 21:25, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

It appears that you are referring to Spencer Proffer. This is really best discussed on Talk:Spencer Proffer, but a few notes here:

• The image File:Spencer Proffer picture.jpg was deleted on the grounds that File:Spener Proffer.jpg was a better image showing the same thing. The latter should probably be inserted into the article.
• Phrases like " The Entertainment Industry Council's Annual S.E.T. Awards are presented to productions for inspiring and impactful entertainment ..." and " It is the first film to explore how one extraordinary song has changed people’s lives" seem like unjustified puffery and editorializing unless they are direct quotes from cites sources, and they are not so marked.
• Many other changes look like formatting changes and improvements in referencing, and seem on a short examination to be perfectly reasonable. DES 21:47, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

The unsourced text that was removed was horribly promotional and unencyclopaedic in tone. I have to say some of the stuff that remains is not great either. One consolation - I have fixed the typo that was inadvertently reintroduced with the revert. - Karenjc (talk) 23:46, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll start some work on the article. Shooting peacocks, mainly Yintan  12:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

XOWA

Hello! Not even sure this is the right section for my question....anyway.

I just found out that I can edit Misplaced Pages articles offline using XOWA which is INSANELY COOL for me :D

One question though....after I'm done editing one or more articles,how do I upload them to the website? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Dark Philosopher (talk • contribs) 22:13, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I looked up what XOWA is, and found this link. If I have understood it correctly, XOWA allows you to download content from the web, and then edit your local copy. But I doubt that, in the case of Misplaced Pages, it downloads the source files which the Misplaced Pages web server uses to generate Misplaced Pages articles. So, I think the answer must be, you can't upload the results of your edits. Maproom (talk) 07:06, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Andrew Lloyd Webber

Please take a look at the sources used to support the heading for Andrew Lloyd Webber and discussed on its talk page and weigh in. An editor there questions reliable sources. 107.214.30.15 (talk) 23:17, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

It's probably best not to try to use the Help desk as a replacement for dispute resolution processes such as WP:3O and WP:RFC. The volunteers here are here primarily to answer questions, not to jump into disputes. Also, if the issue is truly what is a reliable source and what is not, the best place to get expert opinion is WT:RS. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:05, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Speed of signup

Assuming someone picks a unique username at registration, can he or she then immediately login with those credentials, or is there a waiting period, i.e. a confirmation email? My registration involved an SUL conflict, so it was atypical. Alex Kyrios (talk) 23:26, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

You can immediately log in. It's optional to give an email address. If you want to use email features in your account then you must first click a link in a confirmation email, but you can log in and edit before doing that. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:32, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

October 23

creating an new article with unique page name

How do i create a new article with a unique page(article) name? i do not want the article page name to be identified as "user:kwilliams99", rather than to the unique article or bio name itself on top of the article page.

Karen Williams — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwilliams99 (talk • contribs) 00:17, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Try this link, User:Kwilliams99/Unique article name or User:Kwilliams99/Stephen Clark Electron9 (talk) 00:45, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I think the user wants to change User:Kwilliams99 to something like Stephen Clark (engineer). If that's the case, on the page, go to the drop arrow at the top and hit "move". Be sure on the next page to change the drop down to "article". CTF83! 00:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

that would be a tricky option since they created it on their user page and would need to be careful not to take their user talk with the article! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

The draft is on your user page at the moment. This is not what a user page is for, so you do need to move it elsewhere. If you are the only person who has contributed to this draft, you can cut and paste the entire content from your user page into a new article in mainspace, or do the same via the WP:AFC route and then hit "submit". However, I would suggest you don't do this yet, because the article is not ready. It has no references to reliable sources to back up any of the assertions in it, and as Mr Clark is a living person, it is a condition of publication that at least one such reference is included, if you would like it moved to a user sandbox so you can continue to improve it, click on one of the links Electron provided above, create the sandbox, then cut and paste your content into it. . Karenjc (talk) 10:05, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I have moved the draft to User:Kwilliams99/Sandbox.--ukexpat (talk) 12:57, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Profanity

Where do we stand on the use of profanity, specifically on talk pages during contentious debates or within edit summaries? I understand WP is not censored, and it is appropriate to have "fuck" and "shit", etc. in articles about those words, or used in quotes for other articles. But when one user is basically telling another user off, is it acceptable to use foul language? Does this not reduce the quality and stature of the project? Could this not be offensive to people who simply don't care for that kind of language? - and potentially drive them away? One might say "Hey, we're all big people here!", but really... we're not. Plenty of young people, even children use this site. And, when one editor refers to another's contributions as "bullshit", or state they are "tired of their shit", or claim they "don't give a fuck" about what another editor thinks, or exclaim "for fuck sake!" in a response... doesn't this not just trigger the questions I just asked, but also serve to inflame a situation? (that may already be too inflamed). I know it may difficult to police this sort of thing, but can't we have a policy prohibiting profanity in these circumstances? Allow for immediate removal, issue warnings to repeat offenders, and especially prohibit admins from using this language? (they really should setting an example after all)

I tried looking this issue up, but didn't find much. If I'm missing something, please enlighten me, or otherwise, feel to leave feedback, I would like to see some opinions on this. Thanks - thewolfchild 04:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

We have WP:CIVIL. There is no list of "banned words" in communication between editors, and not should (or could) there be, IMO, bearing in mind the wide variety of expressions to which people may choose, or choose not, to take offence, and the nuances of meaning which any word can take on. Nor do we (or should we) expect any special standards of conduct from admins, other than not to abuse their tools - there is absolutely nothing as far as I know that requires them to "set an example". They are volunteer janitors, not role models. It's all about usage and intention. If people overtly insult and denigrate others when they are editing we can call them out under WP:CIVIL, but we have no specific ban on any word, because, as you say, Misplaced Pages is not censored. I would 100% oppose any policy on banning so-called "profanity"' because it would be undefinable, unenforceable and unnecessary. -Karenjc (talk) 07:14, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

This becomes all the more important when some people are easily offended by pretty much anything. The other end of the spectrum is the people who shrug these things off or are not at all offended by swearing and minor insults. Any discussion on banning words would quickly offend more people than it meant to protect anyway, especially with WP:NOTCENSORED, which is a good deterrent. Thanks ツ Jenova20 09:59, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

The original poster expresses the concern that the use of profanity on talk pages during contentious debates reduces the quality and stature of the product, and drives some (not all) editors away. I agree. As Karenjc says, there is a policy of civility. It is not consistently enforced, but it is a policy. Anyway, the comment, "Hey, we're all big people here" misses the point. We should be big enough people to be civil. Also, sometimes incivility crossing the line into personal attacks, and those are likely to result in blocks. I don't think that we should have a policy prohibiting all profanity, but we already have a policy that strongly discourages profanity, the civility policy. Repeat offenses, especially when they are personal attacks, do result in warnings. In extreme cases, grossly offensive material can be redacted (see WP:REVDEL). Also, offensive edit summaries, especially edit summaries attacking another editor, are particularly likely to be redacted, even more than material on talk pages. I disagree that profanity should be removed from talk page discussion, unless it qualifies for redaction as grossly offensive and having no value, because in general the removal of comments by other editors from talk pages is strongly discouraged. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

One must always consider why an editor may call another editor's contribution bullshit. You see, it may well be bullshit. We have many trolls here, along with some editors pushing very biased POVs. While the swearing may not be ideal, the bullshit also needs to be policed. Those provoking others to profanity are just as big a problem, if not worse. HiLo48 (talk) 00:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

BTW, the comment that "we're all big people here" is simply not true - there is no age limit on any Misplaced Pages page, nor is there any requirement for users to reveal their age. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Need to create a topic in Misplaced Pages

Hi Team ,

I like to create a topic on my company name as like the others . Kindly provide me and guide me the procedures to do it . Myself and my company will be very much delighted , if you were guiding me to execute this .

Regards, Lazar T — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imlazart (talk • contribs) 06:23, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

See My First Article. But you should not create an article on a company you are associated with, see conflict of interest. And for an article to be accepted, someone will need to establish that its subject is notable. Maproom (talk) 07:16, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Correction of an article written on our company

Hi there,

There are factual inaccuracies in this article - please can you let me know how i can amend? Quintessentially Group

Thanks, Lara — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.45.115.9 (talk) 08:14, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

The best practice option for someone with a conflict of interest such as yourself would be for you to post an explanation of the errors on the article Talk page and also provide acceptable sources for the correct information. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:49, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

This article has been a magnet for spam - I have just reverted a couple of new paragraphs for that reason.--ukexpat (talk) 13:13, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Help with my signature.

Hello, currently my signature looks like this:

09:25, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that the time + date is under my name.

My signature code looks like this: div style="width:90px;height:25px;border:6px solid aqua;" User:Acalycine|Acalycine small sup User talk:Acalycine|talk sup small div

(I've removed the <, >, .)

How do I fix this so the time + date is next to the name?

09:25, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Try using <span> tags instead of <div> tags -- John of Reading 09:45, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Acalycine 09:48, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Saarang

Sir,

I represent the publicity and student relations team of Saarang IIT Madras. We appreciate the fact that you have given due importance to the fact that ours is a completely student organised festival. on those lines we would like you to include our Core Team's Photo ( as has been done on Mood Indigo page).

Please let us know what formalities are required for the same. We can get the same approved by director's office of IIT Madras. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.160.229 (talk) 09:29, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello. In order for Misplaced Pages to be able to use a photo, it must be released under a free license (released into Public Domain, CC-BY, or CC-BY-SA licenses). You can do this on your own if you own the rights of the picture (e.g. if you took the picture yourself). Please note that images released under these licenses can be used freely by anyone from then on. Even for commercial use. And please do not upload the images if you do not own the rights for it.

You can upload your image in the Upload Wizard in Wikimedia Commons. In order to use it in the Saarang article page, please see Misplaced Pages:Picture tutorial. If you need help with it, please come back here and ask.

And unrelated to your question, I would strongly recommend you rewrite the use of colloquial language in the Saarang article. Please use formal language. Do not use phrases like "kicks with", "out to chill", etc. And please do remember that Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a PR platform or a brochure. We strictly adhere to the neutral point-of-view. Avoid usage of overly flattering language like "eminent", "talented", or "eagerly", unless such characterizations can be widely sourced. Basically, write as if you are writing for an encyclopedia and stick to just the facts. -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 10:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Professor Jonathan Shepherd

Prof Shepeherd is an acclaimed academic with very many notable awards, deserving of an article. Unfortunately I couldn't find a category to associate him with. He works in Emergency medicine and has made notable changes to the approach to reducing violent incidents. I searched for Emergency med and violence without success. I'm happy to have a go at creating an article if you can sort the category for me please. http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/dentl/contactsandpeople/academicstaff/p-t/shepherd-jonathan-prof-overview_new.html

Gerry Leeds UK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.105.141 (talk) 10:08, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:Notability (academics) first. Articles which fail to meet the notability standards will be deleted. So to spare you the work, make sure he meets the criteria for notability for academics.

If you do decide to write an article on him, please read Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living people and Misplaced Pages:Your first article. Ensure that the text is neutral and formal in tone and that all of it is properly sourced (especially important as this is about a living person). Don't worry about categories, they can be added afterwards (probably in Category:British academics). -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 11:26, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I would also urge that you use the Articles for Creation process. this is not required, but it provides for articles to be reviewed by an experienced editor before it "goes live" and is subject to possible deletion for failing to meet Notability and other policies. Such a reviewer can be very helpful. DES 15:17, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

British Chambers of Commerce

Hi,

I have been asked to message you on behalf of the British Chambers of Commerce due to wanting our Misplaced Pages page heavily updated.

There are a lot of errors on the page and if myself or someone would be able to update the information and add one of our own photographs that would be great. I am not sure how to go about this so if I could be advised on what to do that would be very helpful.

The name of the article is: British Chambers of Commerce and the web address is: British Chambers of Commerce

Errors on the page include: Chamber names, incorrect number figures and facts.

Thank you very much

Ayla Uzunhasan, British Chambers of Commerce — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aylaeve (talk • contribs) 10:23, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

It seems that the article has not been significantly updated since 2011 (if then). I'm not affiliated with the organisation in any way and am happy to help. It would not be a good idea for anyone from the organisation to edit the article because of our conflict of interest guidelines. The best way forward, Ayla, would be if you could add a section at the article talk page here setting out, in general terms, the sections of the article in particular need of updating, and I will take a look at it. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:43, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

article

Hi-

I am an architectural lighting designer in NY. I have received 4 lighting awards and have been in 5 magazines about my lighting design.

How do I get into Misplaced Pages?

If need I will write my own article and provide photographs.

Bonny Whitehouse — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.231.102 (talk) 12:54, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

You "get in", in other words have an article written about you, when someone (not you) writes an article that demonstrates that you meet the notability guidelines at WP:BIO. Awards and magazine articles do not necessarily confer notability. See also WP:RS and WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY.--ukexpat (talk) 13:23, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello! Thanks for asking first, that will probably save you (and others) some work. You should not try to create an article about yourself, it will very very likely be deleted. However. If you think there is enough independent in-depth material about you for a WP-article, you can suggest that one is created. Start by reading WP:YOURSELF, it´s not that long. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:38, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Pilling's Lock Marina

Paul Lillie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pillingslock (talk • contribs) 13:22, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

A commercial marina such as you describe is almost certainly not notable enough to justify a[REDACTED] article about it. Your draft article does nothing to persuade me otherwise. Maproom (talk) 13:32, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Credits on the page about Lone Wolf (gamebooks series)

Hello,

my name's Alberto Dal Lago. Reading the page about Lone Wolf (gamebooks series) at: Lone Wolf (gamebooks) it occurred to me that the information at Chapter "Republication and expansion" was not correct.

At the second paragraph, you can read:

This new edition of the gamebooks features new internal artwork by Richard Longmore (books 1 to 12 and 17), Nathan Furman (books 13 and 18) and Pascal Quidault (books 14 to 16).

I've been working as cover artist on that series for three years, so you should correct that paragraph with:

This new edition of the gamebooks features new internal artwork by Alberto Dal Lago (cover artist books 1 to 12), Richard Longmore (books 1 to 12 and 17), Nathan Furman (books 13 and 18) and Pascal Quidault (books 14 to 16).

You can contact the author himself (Joe Dever) and ask him to confirm I've been working on it.

Thank you in advance,

Alberto Dal Lago — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albe77 (talk • contribs) 14:03, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

It seems to me that the information in the article is correct, as "internal artwork" does not include the artwork on the cover. Maproom (talk) 14:23, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

@Albe77: The question isn't whether something can be confirmed via email (Misplaced Pages has no such process for that); it's whether there is a reliable source that has been published that contains the information proposed to be added to the article. If you can find such a source, I suggest you post your recommended change in wording, plus the source, at the article talk page: Talk:Lone Wolf (gamebooks), and let another editor handle it, because you have a conflict of interest. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:20, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

I have been trying to add links to our web-site

I am the Executive Director with the GBS-CIDP Foundation International. Our website has material that explains many of the diseases that we deal with. (GBS, CIDP, MMN, Miller Fisher, etc...) I have been trying to add links to our web-site. We are the only international organization that handles these diseases. Some of the information is published articles and some are for the site in general.

Can you advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktsingle (talk • contribs) 14:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Please see Advice for editors who may have a conflict of interest. Mlpearc (powwow) 15:09, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

About an edit I have made

Dear Sir/Madam

I have just made an edit to Wiki "Yawning".

What do I need to do next?

Will you review it or verify it or do I need to offer names of Reviewers?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.80.66.254 (talk) 14:50, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

The edit seems very "experienced", much more than your query. Mlpearc (powwow) 15:02, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

To tackle an easy part, I have corrected an unmatched bracket. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:14, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

No approval or review is needed, edits go live at once. However, that means they are subject to correction or revision at once if another editor thinks the edit can be improved or is unhelpful. DES 15:20, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Foundations, Institutions and paid advocacy

Dear editors: Once again I am confused. Today there is a new Afc submission Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Frick Collection and Frick Art Reference Library WikiProject. I am pretty sure that a single person can't start a Wikiproject, but I also thought that Misplaced Pages doesn't promote organizations, and especially if the promoter is an employee of the organization as is the case here. But now I see that this isn't true, since there is Misplaced Pages:GLAM/Smithsonian Institution, which appears to be a similar subject. Is there a policy that specifies what topics are and are not appropriate for Wikiprojects? I'd like to give the submitter some specific information. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:59, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

since AfC is Articles for creation, I wouldn't think it an appropriate way to start a new wikiproject. Ultimately any page, including a Wikiproject page, must be started by a single user, but a Wikiproject will do little good unless multiple users are interested and active. I see less harm done by a user with a COI starting or contributing to a Wikiproject page than to an actual article, I would view this as similar to posting on an article talk page, it is after all merely advice to editors. (Of course that is only my opinion.) I would reach out to the user involved and try to discuss what the user has in mind and how to achieve it. DES 15:25, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject discusses this, and advises reading Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Council/Guide and esp Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Council/Guide#Creating a WikiProject, and then starting with a proposal. Using AfC instead strikes me as ill-advised. DES 15:31, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I have declined the submission and left some information on the editor's talk page. Now to start that "Wikproject Anne's Organic Knitting Patterns".... —Anne Delong (talk) 19:44, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

User needs help retrieving deleted article from sandbox

Hi there. I'm working with Henloe at a local edit-a-thon and we are unable to solve a problem that I'm hoping someone might be able to help on. She created a long and detailed article that was sitting in her sandbox but she didn't know there was a time limit for editing it, and now it's gone. She would like to retrieve/undelete the stuff that was in her sandbox so she can keep working on it. If this is possible, could someone please post for me how I can help her do that? Thanks Girona7 (talk) 18:07, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

@Girona7:I assume you are referring to Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/New Words Bookstore. See WP:REFUND/G13 for instructions on how to have it restored. --Mdann52talk to me! 18:17, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

 Done I assume you refer to Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/New Words Bookstore. I have restored this. The 6-month limit on AfC drafts applies only to drafts with no activity at all for a 6-month period. DES 18:20, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

There is also a draft at User:Henloe/sandbox.--ukexpat (talk) 18:22, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Moved to User:Henloe/sandbox, where Henloe will have more time to turn it into an article. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:23, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I think that is a serious mistake, Orangemike. Use of the AfC mechanism is generally preferable to user space sandboxes, in my view, esp when the article was started under AfC. The AfC 6-month clock restarts with each edit to the page, and if a page gets no edits at all in such a period, even in a user sandbox, it could be subject to deletion under the policy that wikipedia is not a free web host. I urge you to move it back. I nwould do this myself but don't want to move war or wheel-war over such a matter. DES 18:30, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Were it not that both Gerona and Henloe have clearly shown an intention to work on it, I would agree with you DES; as it is, I don't think it will turn out to be too problematic. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:39, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I can see that moving it back as they work might cause confusion. But I don't understand why you moved it within minutes of the restoration and as the link to the restored page was being provided here. I urge not doing that in future, unless I have failed to understand your reasons. DES 18:43, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Really appreciate your speedy reply and action. Cheers. Girona7 (talk) 18:26, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Change Logo

I work at Sqrrl Inc, a startup in Boston has just had a rebranding. I am having trouble uploading an image to[REDACTED] and am trying to upload a new image to show the new logo on the company page.

Here is the website to show you the new logo:

http://sqrrl.com/

If someone could please help me upload this it would be very much appreciated!

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeganSqrrl (talk • contribs) 18:53, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Please make your request at files for upload.--ukexpat (talk) 19:50, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I have uploaded the correct logo and added it to the article.--ukexpat (talk) 12:48, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Compromised account?

In my notifications, it says that one of my edits had been reverted. However, I did not make this edit. The only thing that I can figure out is that there's a bug in the Misplaced Pages software and it's confusing different accounts, or my account has been compromised. Glancing at my last 50 edits, this is the only one I don't recognize. So if my account was compromised, it's a bit weird that whoever it was, they only made a single edit. Anyway, I've since changed my password. I'm not sure if there's anything else I should do. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:08, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Do you have one-click rollback links showing on your watchlist? I've read that it is easy to click those by mistake. -- John of Reading (talk) (not a rollbacker) 19:19, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The edit was a rollback, I notice, so it'd be interesting to know if you perhaps had that page in your watchlist and accidentally clicked Rollback without realising. Similarly, if you view the Recent Changes, you could have done the same there. Either way, it seems likely to me that you may have performed it accidentally. The other possibility is that you left your account logged in on a public terminal (unlikely, but there we go), and another user viewed a Misplaced Pages page, and used the rollback feature without realising they were logged in as you. Either way, it's not something to be worried about.  drewmunn  talk  19:20, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I have rollbacks on my watch list. Maybe I clicked on it by accident? But I'm usually pretty good about that sort of thing. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:29, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

It happens to the best of us! If you notice it, self-revert. If not, I usually thank the person who catches it.  drewmunn  talk  19:36, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Here's a script (not mine) I've used to remove those links, but I use Twinkle which has the Rollback links at the top of the page. Just add it to your .css page.

.page-Special_RecentChanges .mw-rollback-link {display:none;}

.page-Special_Watchlist .mw-rollback-link {display:none;}

.page-Special_Contributions .mw-rollback-link {display:none;}

Mlpearc (powwow) 22:24, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I've done that before (Fat fingers and touch screens don't mix well.) Anyway, there's probably a script somewhere that will prompt you for a confirmation before rollback. ~HueSatLum 22:49, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I was immediately reverted with an edit-summary of "Undoing disruptive revert". A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

There's probably already one written somewhere, but I wrote this one, if you want. It adds a confirmation dialog to the "rollback" links only on the watchlist. Other pages can be added, if desired. To install, just add importScript("User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/rollbackConfirm.js"); to your common.js page (or whatever other .js page you prefer). Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 00:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: Thanks, but it doesn't appear to be working for me. Here's my common.js. What am I doing wrong? Feel free to be bold and modify my common.js. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm, that looks right. did you remember to bypass your browser cache? I think it's CTRL+F5 for most browsers, but that linked page will have more detailed instructions. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 01:43, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: OK, I cleared out my browser cache and I am now getting the confirmation dialog. However, if I click Cancel in the dialog, the rollback is still performed. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Really? Might be a browser thing; damn event bubbling. Works on mine. Might want to uninstall it then; I'll work on it. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 02:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: Which browser are you using? I'm using IE10. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:18, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Firefox. I might've guessed it was IE10. I'll see what I can do. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 02:20, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: It doesn't work from FF either. For FF, the dialog appears and then automatically rejects the edit without me even clicking on a button. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Huh. That's really weird. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 02:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Excessively pinging you just for kicks Not to be one of those guys who links to Stack Overflow for everything, but..."Intercept click event on a button, ask for confirmation, then proceed" (see Edit). Why reinvent the wheel? This can be simplified a fair bit, but I'm sure you get the jist (Interception! Tackle! Field goal! I don't watch football and I'm totally winging this play off of "interception" that's not even especially funny!). Theopolisme (talk) 02:42, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

That's what I'm doing already, though. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 02:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Reverting page name change

With this edit on September 17, 2013, a user arbitrarily redirected the page Ohel (Chabad) to Ohel (Chabad-Lubavitch). Two editors (including myself) asked for clarification on the user's talk page ( and ), but the user has not replied for more than a month. Since the name change does not appear in any published source, I would like to know if an administrator can revert the change. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 21:14, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

It would be best to start a discussion at Talk:Ohel (Chabad-Lubavitch). If there is a consensus for a move back, any admin should be willing, or you could use the Requested move process. DES 21:58, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Yoninah (talk) 22:17, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Is this person notable?

I have some sources on a possible notable person in my sandbox: User:HtownCat/sandbox. I'd like an opinion on whether or not this person is notable. I've been mistaken about the strength of my references in the past and I'm trying to be more careful. Thanks, HtownCat (talk) 21:16, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I'd suggest not. The first source is about the business more than the individual, and most of the remaining sources only mention him in passing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:23, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

As it stands, weak to non-notable in my opinion. The Monroe Monitor is probably the best, but is still more about the business and seems to be local. But there might be more sources available. Ideally you want a source that devotes at least several paragraphs to the person, not just his business. The last link you have, that just gives a picture and a tag line, shouldn't even be used in a Misplaced Pages article. It is too trivial to be worth while, unless the tag line is the only support for some specific fact in the article. I wouldn't pass an AfC submission with no more than these sources. DES 22:09, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Re-naming a Misplaced Pages page?

Hello, I am in charge of editing a couple of Misplaced Pages pages, both of which are companies who have gone through a recent rebranding or official name change. I see a few options such as "submitting a redirect" and "making a move." I know that it probably won't be submitting a redirect, because I am not trying to redirect one page to another existing one. Rather, if a visitor visits the Misplaced Pages page with the old name, I just want the name of the Misplaced Pages to automatically change to the new one.

What are the detailed steps for this, and how long does it take to get approved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.168.186.178 (talk) 21:32, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

The first thing is that no one is "in charge" of editing a Misplaced Pages page. If you are an employee or an assocaite of the company, or of a PR or marketing firm that has the company for a client, please read our conflict of interest guideline before editing. Due to recent events people are getting much stricter about this guideline.

The second thing is that a move can only be done by a user who is logged in and has been "autoconfirmed". For other users, or for complex or controversial cases, use Requested moves. Or you can simply post on the talk pages of the articles involved. DES 21:48, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

What DES said. You are indeed looking for a redirect from the old name to the new, and if you would like to submit information about the requested change, together with a reliable source to substantiate the name change, either here or at the article's talk page, someone will be happy to help. But you are most emphatically not "in charge" of any page belonging to Misplaced Pages. - Karenjc (talk) 21:55, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I should have been clearer above. A "move" changes the title of an existing page, usually leaving a redirect behind. A "redirect" is a page that automatically sends a reader to a different page. It is common to have redirects from alternate names of a subject. For example International Business Machines is a redirect to IBM. DES 22:19, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Non-English sources

What happens if an editor adds a text supported by a non-English source, is asked on the talk page to provide the translation, but he doesn't return to offer the requested translation? Is there a procedure for getting other editors speaking the respective language to check the source? 79.117.166.143 (talk) 21:43, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

See WP:NOENG. Accepting the user's translation is just as reasonable as allowing the citation without it. I would suggest attempting to use Google Translate, or maybe even consider asking someone who speaks the language in question (see WP:LOCEMB). Scarce2 (talk) 23:49, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

How to remove and add a photo in wikipedia?

Can you pleaes help me remove and add a photo to Washington State Fair wikipedia? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.146.53.149 (talk) 22:05, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

There seem to be four images in the Washington State Fair article at the moment. All look reasonable at a quick glance. What exactly do you want to do and why? Remember that in general, photos and other images must be freely licensed (or public domain), so that anyone may use them for any purpose, to be acceptable here, with some limited exceptions. DES 22:13, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit Warring

Hello !

I am a new user in Wiki editing, beginners' luck; I faced edit warring at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Pharmaceutical_marketing&action=history

I would like to ask if a site at the external links was sponsored by a beneficiary institute, then they withdrew this sponsorship.

Is it possible to keep it back again at external links? noting that they did not mention or promote any product or service through this link or even do not add an external link at this site to the ex-sponsor.

There is a fight their and I do not know if I am right or wrong at this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pharmarketer (talk • contribs) 22:51, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't know either, but it looks dubious to me. My advice: read our guideline on external links and especially its subsection our guideline about external links to avoid and then if you think the link belongs, suggest it on Talk:Pharmaceutical marketing with your reasons. DES 00:26, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I would add that your user name Pharmarketer and the fact that you also inserted a link to a blog suggest a Conflict of Interest. I urge you to read that guideline also. DES 00:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

FWIW, it might be a reputable organization. The National Center for Biotechnology Information apparently published an article co-written by this site's founder. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:46, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Just as a point of order, that article was not published by the NCBI, it was published in the British Medical Journal and archived in Pubmed Central, a biomedical literature repository run by the NCBI. It doesn't make any difference really in this case but I thought I'd point it out in case anyone follows the link and wants to cite the article. Equisetum (talk | contributions) 16:51, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

October 24

Interaction ban

How does one go about requesting an interaction ban between themselves and another user? No guesses or assumptions please. Would appreciate reply from an admin or senior editor with actual policies or guidance. Thanks - thewolfchild 02:16, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Answers here usually come from editors that are somewhat experienced with Misplaced Pages, I don't understand what types of answers you're specifically trying to avoid. I suggest you post on WP:ANB, where admins are far more likely to lurk. Scarce2 (talk) 03:09, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I assume input from those without the necessary 24,000 edits, automated or otherwise, is also welcome? Guidance on how bans are discussed and implemented is at WP:CBAN and the paragraph immediately above it. Community bans may be requested either at WP:AN or WP:ANI, depending on the previous history. Here, for example, is an archived community ban request discussion from ANI, and here's one that was discussed at AN. This talk page thread directly addresses the question of selecting which of the two venues to post such a request. Hope this helps. - Karenjc (talk) 10:45, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

All bans are "imposed by community consensus, by the Arbitration Committee or, in certain topic areas, by administrators". Although briefly discussed at WP:IBAN, formal requests for interaction bans are made at AN or ANI, ensuring that one provides appropriate proof as to why it needs to be a 2-way ban, in lieu of 1-way. Note the exceptions to IBAN's reach, as per the WP:BAN page as a whole ES&L 21:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Citing Personal Correspondence?

Can personal correspondence, such as letters of recommendation, be cited on Misplaced Pages if an image of it has been scanned and uploaded to the internet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BryantL90 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Generally no, see WP:OR. Scarce2 (talk) 03:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

The letter would need to have been published by a reliable source, not simply posted to an arbitrary web page. Basically the letter should be published in a mainstream news source, magazine, journal or a book from a reputable publisher. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:18, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Multiple Personal Sandboxes?

Hi,

New to editing wikipedia. I want to work on multiple projects at a time, all the while making the changes in my sandbox. Is it possible to have multiple sandboxes, each displaying a different article that I've worked on?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaidis11 (talk • contribs) 04:10, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

You can make as many subpages of your username as you like, using the structure User:Zaidis11/Whatever you want the page to be named. They will all be visible as links at https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:PrefixIndex/User:Zaidis11/ . Here is a list of my subpages for instance: link. - Purplewowies (talk) 04:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

However, I would advise against using a sandbox for editing existing articles (they're fine for developing new articles). When you copy your edited text back you risk inadvertently throwing away anybody else's change, or else have a difficult task to merge your changes and theirs. And it can also cause difficulty in attributions, which Misplaced Pages regards as important. Better, usually, to work on the live article, but do it bit by bit if possible, rather than a huge single change. --ColinFine (talk) 14:02, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Hateful Content on a Page

Hello,

I just noticed that someone posted hateful information on the Junipero Serra High School (Gardena CA) page. The content is totally false and inappropriate. Please remove this listing until someone from the school can provide factual information.

Thank You,

Tony Oreabean Serra Alumni 1993 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.117.238.192 (talk) 04:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. Rwessel (talk) 05:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

"Somebody from the school" is welcome to suggest factual improvements to the article on its talk page, but they are strongly discouraged from editing the article itself because of their conflict of interest. - Karenjc (talk) 10:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Sometimes an editor requests that an article be "taken down" or "removed" because it has been vandalized. That is not the way that Misplaced Pages works. Since anyone can edit Misplaced Pages, vandalism can be reverted. There is an occasional myth among inexperienced editors that an article that "contains hateful information" or "contains errors" should be "taken down" by the "person in charge" until it can be fixed. Fix it, or ask someone to fix it on the talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

As the IP committing the vandalism geolocates to Pico Rivera - about 15 miles from the school - this is probably inter-school rivalry, or a disaffected pupil. Arjayay (talk) 14:35, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Edits for the page on the Economy of Cyprus

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am Anita Orphanidou and the Marketing Communications Officer of the Cyprus Investment Promotion Agency. It has come to our attention that the following page Economy of Cyprus features the following text:

The 2012–13 Cypriot financial crisis, part of the wider Eurozone crisis, has dominated the country's economic affairs in recent times. In March 2013, the Cypriot government reached an agreement with its Eurogroup partners to split the country's second biggest bank, the Cyprus Popular Bank (also known as Laiki Bank), into a "bad" bank which would be wound down over time and a "good" bank which would be absorbed by the larger Bank of Cyprus. In return for a €10 billion bailout from the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund, the Cypriot government would be required to impose a significant haircut on uninsured deposits, a large proportion of which were held by wealthy Russians who used Cyprus as a tax haven. Insured deposits of €100,000 or less would not be affected

We would like to note that Cyprus is not a tax heaven destination but rather an EU country with a strong business and financial center. Plus, the haircut affected more than wealthy Russians.

We kindly ask you to relook at the text and revise if possible.

Thank you and let me know if you have questions. I can be reached at: XXX

Regards,

Anita Orphanidou — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.7.194.26 (talk) 05:59, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I've removed your email address for your privacy. As the tax haven assertion was not explicitly made by the quoted sources, I've deleted it. Rojomoke (talk) 06:26, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

And I have restored it, with a reference. Further references can easily be found. Maproom (talk) 07:43, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

To clarify, for Anita Orphanidou: if reliable sources say something, and the consensus among Misplaced Pages editors is that the matter is important enough to appear in an article) then it will appear in the article, whether the subject would like it to be there or not. You are welcome to suggest changes to the article on its talk page, Talk:Economy of Cyprus, but it is up to other editors to decide how far your suggestions should be incorporated into the article. --ColinFine (talk) 14:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

1. "Cyprus Rescue: The Destruction of a Tax Haven". Time. 25 March 2013. Retrieved 24 October 2013.

Linguistic issues

Where can I address linguistic issues? I am not sure if a phrase is correctly formulated in English language and I need a confirmation. Thanks in advance for the answer 79.117.173.188 (talk) 07:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

You could try the Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Language. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot 79.117.173.188 (talk) 07:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Quote request

Can you please tell me how much time has to pass before removing a text followed by and unanswered "Request quotation" template. I assume that we can't wait forever for a quote to be given 79.117.173.188 (talk) 07:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried to source it?

If the content violates WP:BLP immediate removal is ALWAYS appropriate.

Otherwise, how busy is the page and how potentially valid is the uncited statement? If the page is busy with many active editors and yet no one has addressed the tag, a month would be long enough, ( and if the content was meaningful, one of them would be able to notice the removal and provide a source to restore the content). Although it would be better form to post a note on the talk page about your concerns and wait a few additional days.

On low activity articles waiting 6-9 months is generally considered appropriate grace period.

The more trivial, off topic, WP:NPOV violating or unlikely to be true the unsourced statement is, the less time you need to wait.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:33, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

The template in question is the one from the lead of Kingdom of Hungary 79.117.161.193 (talk) 12:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

oh, that is very different. Where a full source citation has been made and what you are requesting is merely a courtesy translation, then it should stay. WP:NOENG we dont require sources to be in English. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Also, per WP:LEADCITE, the lead section of non-controversial subjects is less likely to be challenged and less likely to require a source since leads are usually written at a greater level of generality than the body. If the "Kingdom of Hungary was ... at various points ... regarded as one of the cultural centers of Europe" helps define the topic and/or summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight, then and requests should be removed from the lead of Kingdom of Hungary. If it does not help define the topic and/or summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight, then the text itself should not be in the lead and its removal should be discuss on the article talk page. Either way, I think the the and requests should be removed from the article lead and, if needed, posted in the article body. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:42, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Are you saying that a quote is not necessary? How do we know that the text from the source is not denaturated?

That idea is not expanded in the article. The only reference is the one existing in the lead. Consequently, I think we can talk about undue weight 79.117.168.27 (talk) 15:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

What is Talk?

Can you explain the meaning and usage of function Talk in Misplaced Pages? Sincerely, Mirek — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.250.187.186 (talk) 12:11, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Every article has an associated Talk page where the editors can collaborate to improve the content of that article. For the article Dog, it is Talk:Dog. see WP:TPG for how a talk page is to be used.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:40, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikilinks

Is there a guide about when to use them? I found at Kingdom_of_Hungary#Hunyadi_family links to Matthias Corvinus article in the "Main articles" template, in the paragraph and in photo descriptions (total: 3 times). Isn't 1 time enough? 79.117.161.193 (talk) 12:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

WP:REPEATLINK notes "Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." -- Jreferee (talk) 13:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Organization Chart

What is the process/format for creating an organization chart in Misplaced Pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.3.138.234 (talk) 12:35, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

There's Misplaced Pages:Graphs and charts and Misplaced Pages:Family trees (I'm assuming that the text in the Family trees can be revised to reflect an organization). I think it depends on how you want the organization chart to appear. -- Jreferee (talk) 12:59, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

The Scouting project uses {{chart}} for history where a number of entities have merged. See Bay-Lakes Council for example. --  Gadget850 18:23, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Copyright

Dear Sir,

Myself Vishnu Ghimire and regarding the contents which I wrote about Tara Ghimire .

The site http://www.pranathashram.org/ belongs to Tara Ghimire and I am the web admin for same. The content about Tara Ghimire is written entirely by myself and no copyrights has been violated.

The link for the content is: http://www.pranathashram.org/about/staff/tara-gurumaa

Please see below link about web admin: http://www.pranathashram.org/about/staff-directory

Thank you.

--Ghimirevishnu (talk) 13:06, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

You did not state a request. However, Misplaced Pages articles typically are footnoted summaries of Misplaced Pages reliable sources (think newspapers, magazines, books, etc.) that are independent of the topic. The information on Tara Ghimire is not footnoted. Also, if the information at tara-gurumaa is a summary of your personal knowledge of her and/or a summary of sources that were published by Tara Ghimire, the Prannath Ashram, or someone else who is not independent of the Tara Ghimire topic, then it may not be viable information for a Misplaced Pages article on Tara Ghimire. Also see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tara Ghimire. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:25, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

There also is a problem with how her name is presented. The pranathashram.org website shows her name as Tara Gurumaa, Tara Guruma, Tara Ghimire, and Guruaama Tara Ghimire. This makes it very difficult for Misplaced Pages editors to find independent source information on her from which to write the biography. I looked for independent information on Prannath Ashram, Prannath Anath Sewa Ashram, Shree Prannath Anath Sewa Ashram, and Shree Prannath Anath Sewa Ashram - Devghat, but did not find any. Again, without knowing what name the media uses to write about the orphanage for children who have lost their parents, it is very difficult to find source information on the topic. Also, if the source material is not in English, it will be hard for English Misplaced Pages editors to find the information. You may want to ask editors at Nepal Bhasa Misplaced Pages to help you develop Misplaced Pages articles on Tara Gurumaa and the orphanage and that Nepal Bhasa Misplaced Pages then can be brought into English Misplaced Pages via a request at Misplaced Pages:Translation. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:00, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

First off, text copied from another source is highly unlikely to conform to Misplaced Pages's policies. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and as such it is required that the text be neutral (dispassionate) and formal in tone. Text from a self-published source tends to be non-neutral and promotional. Thus even if it is your own text, it is still unacceptable. Misplaced Pages is not a PR platform, a brochure, or a means to gain publicity.

Secondly, like Jreferee said, we need the sources to be reliable. Especially for a biography of a living person. As such, while primary sources (sources published by the subject or people closely related to the subject) are acceptable in certain uncontroversial cases, we do still need secondary sources (sources independent of the subject) to confirm that her account is true and most importantly to confirm that she is notable enough to deserve a page in Misplaced Pages. If you can not prove notability, I'm afraid the page will be deleted.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 13:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

An additional point is that even if the material previously published on another website were sufficiently neutral to be used, it couldn't be used without the copyright problem being addressed through the processes for donating copyrighted material; it isn't enough for you to state here that no copyright has been violated. There are links to that process, & other useful links, on Tara ghimire. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Article star rating feedback system where is it ?

For about 2 years up to about last January we had a useful star rating feedback system at the bottom of every article. Since about January it has vanished. I understand that in theory it is to be replaced by a better feedback system but there is no sign of this and anyway i cant see any excuse for having nothing for about the last 9 months, the old system although imperfect was useful. --Penbat (talk) 15:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Article Feedback Tool, which links to this RfC, which noted on 28 February 2013, "No to full roll-out but there is a large enough minority to support continued experimentation if the foundation wants to do that." -- Jreferee (talk) 15:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I'm glad it's gone. All we need is another toy for goofy kids to play with. You know, you can't be sure whether people are expressing their true opinion, if they even have one, when they rate an article. Good riddance, I say. Kelisi (talk) 16:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

The correct Bulembu description

Hi

Can you please assist on searching of "Bulembu". The description is not complete your only naming a town but not explaining what/who is "Bulembu".

Im the grandchild of the "bulembu" clan.One of my ancestors ended up in swaziland in the mines that is why they have a town that is called Bulembu.

Can you please assist me by telling me where can i submiitt the correct descrioption what/who is "bulembu" cause we are born with certain gifts that you passed on to your children.We are not just called "bulembu" we are Bulembu for a reason, "bulembu is the gift.

I need assistance where can i submitt the correct description.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thobeka Bulembu (talk • contribs) 16:26, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

You should post on Talk:Bulembu. It would be very helpful if you can cite a published reliable source that confirms your statements. DES 17:15, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Copyright question

While footling about on the internet I came across . I'm here interested the lower left image. Because I very recently found , which seems to be the same image. Point is, the latter website says that rights to the image belong to Airbus: surely if the image has been previously published before a certain date this image is in the public domain?? (the website has a number of images which are described as rights expired)TheLongTone (talk) 16:33, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

For items published in the US by US nationals the date is 1923. For items published elsewhere the rules vary by country. One would need to know who took the photo or who employed the photographer to be able to determine its copyright status. But there are many invalid copyright claims to old images and text on the web. DES 16:45, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Published in the UK. The photo was taken by for the Bristol & Colonial Aircraft Company, and rights have ended up with Airbus. I've misunderstood the PD-1923 tag, I took it to mean that if the image had been made freely available in the US, ie including publications originating outside the US but likely to have been available there, as would have been the case with Flight. The second website is operated by a local government body, so is unlikely to be trying to pull a fast one.TheLongTone (talk) 16:58, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

The UK uses a "Life of the author plus 70 years" standard, but I don't know their standard on "works made fore hire" that is where the creator (photographer here) was an employee acting within the job, and so the company is considered the "author" for copyright purposes. The US has a 99 year term for such cases for current works, but did not apply this retroactively. The UK, like many other countries, but unlike the US, retroactively extended or restored copyright when they amended their law to adopt the Life+ terms. Under the Uruguay Round Agreements Act the US honors such adjustments and extends copyright to items that were free in the US but not in their source countries on January 1, 1996 as if they had not fallen into the public domain. It does not simply adopt the other country's term, but applies a modified US term. This can apply to works published in the US where one of the authors was a non-US national.

It isn't so much places "trying to pull a fast one" as people being careless with the rather complex rules about copyright, although dishonest claims do occur. DES 17:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

>Bad interwiki linksBad_interwiki_links-October_24-2013-10-24T16:38:00.000Z">

The en:WP article Horbach, Bad Kreuznach is mislinked to the de:WP article "Horbach (Pfalz)", when it should be linked to the de:WP article "Horbach (bei Simmertal)". It is apparently a confusion of two places not too far from each other named Horbach. The facility at WikiData won't let me make the adjustment. Can someone tell me how I avoid the error message "An error occurred while trying to perform save and because of this, your changes could not be completed.", or make the adjustment for me? Thanks. Kelisi (talk) 16:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)Bad_interwiki_links"> Bad_interwiki_links">

The problem seems to be that Wikidata has two pages—Q1023864 and Q705187—for the same place. The links at Q1023864 (a page which also has the wrong coordinates) need to be merged to Q705187, and then Q1023864 needs to be deleted. I'm not familiar enough with the procedures at Wikidata to do that myself; hopefully, someone will come along here who is. Deor (talk) 19:40, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The issue seems to be that the de version of the article is in fact already linked to a WikiData:Q705187, and it can't be linked to more than one place. The WikiData entry on which the en version is listed needs to be merged with 705187, so I've gone ahead and done that.  drewmunn  talk  19:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

New formatting of "IP editors"?

I'm returning to Misplaced Pages after a years-long layoff, and I've been seeing more and more anon accounts with a "name" like 2602:304:AAB5:659:8125:B46A:37E:57B5. Is this some new form of IP formatting (IPV6, maybe?) or a MAC address? The first time I saw one in an article history I thought some-one'd picked the worst username in history. --Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Its the format of the newer IPv6. Werieth (talk) 17:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Dang, it's ungainly, though. --Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree that they are ungainly looking, much longer than IPv4 addresses.. Maybe the ugliness of IPv6 addresses could be an incentive to anonymous editors on networks that have upgraded to IPv6 to register. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:10, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

SOROTI UNIVERSITY

DEAR Misplaced Pages

this is to request you to update information on Soroti University. Please see the official website at www.sun.ac.ug

James Gregory Okello academic Registrar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.202.240.2 (talk) 18:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I would advise you to post on Talk:Soroti University with specific changes or corrections that should be made, and specific sources for them. Independent reliable sources would be nice, but for uncontroversial facts primary sources are OK. DES 18:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Creating an article

I'd like to write an original article for Wikipediai. I tried to make a few starts, but the instructions that I could find on the Misplaced Pages website seemed extremely complicated. Is it really that hard? Can someone explain the process to me? Mqodm2 (talk) 19:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:YFA and consider using the articles for creation process.--ukexpat (talk) 19:25, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

It is somewhat involved, but if you want to get something posted to where others can improve on it:

1. Gather all the independent reliable sources about your topic that you want to summarize into one article. Don't proceed until this step is done. Avoid websites and press releases for now. Try just using newspaper articles, magazine articles, and books to source your article.

2. Create a Template:Citation for each source.

3. This writing the body of the article step depends on the topic. If its a biography, basically summarize the sources chronologically. There is more to it, but that is a start. If it is some other type of article - corporation, product, movie, school, etc., you can check out a few Misplaced Pages:Featured articles in that area to see how the articled may be structured. As you write each sentence, add one of the Template:Citation to the end of the sentence.

4. Write the WP:LEAD of the article from what you wrote for the article body.

5. Add things like an infobox, see also section, reference section, external links section, and categories.

6. If you do the above, you should have enough of an article ready to post.

7. Create the article talk page by adding appropriate WikiProject banners. You can get an idea of which ones to use from WikiProject banners posted on the talk pages of the links in the article you just wrote.

The only real way to figure this out is to just try it. Once you get a few articles under your belt, you have a general idea of what to do. If you have a particular topic in mind and would like some help, let me know. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:43, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

What does a proper sandbox look like

I am currently working on two articles in need of updating ] and ] but I'm worried that I do not know what the proper formatting of updating an article in my sandbox should look like. Could someone please help me out?

Natliout93 (talk) 19:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually you should never work in a sandbox if the article already exists. You need to edit the article directly. You can discuss your proposed edits on the article talk pages if you would like input from others before changing the "live" article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:24, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

The only exception I'd suggest to that is when an article is essentially being rewritten entirely. That way, other editors can be invited to contribute or discuss the new version, and the content can be moved (an actual page move rather than a cut-and-copy) to the target article when it's ready.  drewmunn  talk  19:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

No, not even then - moving a new version over an old version loses the history and attribution of everything that existed before the move. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Good point, although I've always assumed it to be covered by "It is an article that has been created as a subpage of a Wikipedian's user or user talk space for development purposes and it is ready to be posted to the mainspace". How would you suggest rewrites are undertaken (I'm thinking those especially where there's not enough time in one day to make the content ready for inclusion, and not putting it somewhere would mean losing it)? I suppose an alternative would be offline (in TextEdit or the likes), but then it wouldn't be open to collaboration.  drewmunn  talk  19:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

If the rewrite is equivalent to a "delete and start over" then a sandbox may be used. A "draft" page is often used with the draft text being inserted into the actual article in a single edit. This is OK if there is only one editor who edits the draft but takes suggestions from others, or if the draft page is preserved for attribution (with a note on the talk page), or if a history merge is done. In a number of cases a draft page is used for convenience and no one worries about the loss of attribution for the detailed edits on the draft. Technically a copyvio, but if none of the editors of the draft care, it may not matter much. I've seen it done several times. DES 20:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Cheers, that clears things up.  drewmunn  talk  21:11, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Not showing up in category

I created a page about a Swedish architect and added it to the appropriate category for that, but it can't be seen in the list there. Shouldn't it be? I have tried to reload the page. Please answer at Category talk:Swedish architects. Boot Blues (talk) 19:37, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Now, that's strange. Now he is there! Boot Blues (talk) 19:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Display of category membership can run behind. DES 20:16, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

medication and low blood pressure

For several weeks I have had low blood pressure example 96/50 or less and am concerned the medication I am taking for mental health issues may be a possible reason for this. Need advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.159.119 (talk) 19:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages does not respond to requests for medical advice. Seek such advice from a medical professional. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Can this new category be created?

Kind of "Inductees of the Canada's Walk of Fame" or something like that. Someone of English-native language can give me a better grammar for such a category? Thank you. Japanesehelper (talk) 23:56, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

There is List of inductees of Canada's Walk of Fame. A category could be something like Category:Canada's Walk of Fame inductees similar to Category:Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees. However, List of stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame does not have an associated category, so there may be no need for a Category:Canada's Walk of Fame inductees. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:18, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

October 25

Sappi Fine Paper

Update for the SAPPI article; In 1995 SAPPI purchased 4 mills from SD Warren . Muskegon, Mich; Mobile, Ala; Somerset, Maine and Westbrook, Maine. In 2002 SAPPI purchased the Cloquet, Minnesota pulp and paper mill from Potlatch Corp.

I worked for Potlatch, Sappi for 38 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.7.235.66 (talk) 00:06, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Firstly please post this information to the Sappi talk page, and second, even if you worked for them, your information needs to be verifiable with a reliable source. If you have one for this info then post it on the previously mentioned talk page :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samwalton9 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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