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December 18

Category:Harry Weese structures

• Propose merging Category:Harry Weese structures to Category:Harry Weese buildings

Nominator's rationale: This is an X of Y thing. I created the target category without realizing that a structures cat already existed, or I would have taken to speedy renaming. We do use "buildings," as you can see by the parent categories. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:07, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• Speedy merge. WP:C2C per the "Foo buildings" convention of Category:Buildings and structures by American architects. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:46, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:Pet arthropods

• Propose deleting Category:Pet arthropods - Template:Lc1
  
• Propose deleting Category:Pet arachnids
• Propose deleting Category:Pet crustaceans
• Propose deleting Category:Pet insects (upmerge Crickets as pets to Category:Animals kept as pets)

Nominator's rationale: I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of ants live their lives without ever being a companion animal. The same probably applies to pinktoe tarantulas, hermit crabs etc. That a few may have been kept as pets does not make being a pet a WP:DEFINING characteristic of the species. For info: An example of a CFD for a similar category is Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_December_8#Category:Pet_molluscs. DexDor (talk) 19:28, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• Delete all per nominator. These species not defined by the fact that a few specimens have been kept as pets. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:08, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
• delete all I don't think being a pet defines these species. No problem to listify.Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:09, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:Crnomelj geography stubs

• Propose deleting Category:Crnomelj geography stubs - Template:Lc1
  

Nominator's rationale: Delete. I would have proposed a rename, but there is already a Category:Črnomelj geography stubs. Both the main article and the permanent category use the Črnomelj spelling. Propose deleting the Crnomelj stub category. Make template {{Crnomelj-geo-stub}} a redirect to {{Črnomelj-geo-stub}}. Dawynn (talk) 19:10, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• Speedy rename per WP:C2D. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:09, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:Films released posthumously

• Propose renaming Category:Films released posthumously to Category:Films released after death of director

Nominator's rationale: "Films released posthumously" is too vague; one should be able to know that the "posthumously" refers to the director on first glance. I'm aware my chosen target is not fantastic; other suggestions are welcome. Taylor Trescott - + _{my edits} 17:01, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• Delete. I have checked a few of the articles in the category, and I can't figure out what it is supposed to be for. The Fly was released a few days after the director's death, but the director of Once Upon a Time in Springfield is still alive, as are the 3 directors of The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency. One of the actors in Foolish Wives died during filming, but the director lived for many years after its release.
  So maybe it is intended as a category of "films where one of the cast or crew died before the film was released"? If so, that seems to be a long way from a WP:DEFINING characteristic. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:34, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:People who found out later in life that they are of Jewish descent

• Propose deleting Category:People who found out later in life that they are of Jewish descent - Template:Lc1
  

Nominator's rationale: Why, just why? How is this useful at all? KTC (talk) 13:55, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• Delete; a very contrived category of no obvious import or value. Significant numbers of people are of Jewish descent in some way or other, so it should be of no surprise. The scope of this category is at the same time very large and also extremely subjective. And at a glance appears suspiciously like it is being used as some sort of attack/pejorative. --Errant 14:48, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
• Delete. People often discover things about themselves later in life, but the fact of later discovery is rarely defining. I do know someone who would fit this category, and while it was personally very significant for him, it is not a factor in his public profile, and hence is not defining. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:13, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
• delete along with the related sibling cats, Category:People who discovered they have a rich, distant bachelor uncle and Category:People who found out late in life that their parents weren't married when they were conceived.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:07, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
• Keep The article "Wesley Clark´s Jewish roots" describes how "Raised a Southern Baptist who later converted to Roman Catholicism, Gen. Wesley Clark knew just what to say when he strode into a Brooklyn yeshiva in 1999, ostensibly to discuss his leadership of NATO´s victory in Yugoslavia. 'I feel a tremendous amount in common with you,' the uniformed four-star general told the stunned roomful of students." "A long obscured branch on John Kerry’s family tree; More Jewish forebears, more tragedy", from The Boston Globe about John Kerry, while "Former Secretary of State Albright recounts discovery of Jewish heritage during visit to Bay Area", in the San Jose Mercury News in which Madeline Albright describes in rather specific terms how discovering her Jewish roots was a defining aspect of her life. The book Suddenly Jewish: Jews Raised as Gentiles Discover Their Jewish Roots discussed Albright's experience as a model for the phenomenon of people discovering their Jewish roots. I know that sources count for nothing in CfD world and that lack of awareness of a topic never stopped a delete vote, but the characteristic is covered at book level as a defining characteristic, and multiple members of this category have been described in articles and at the personal level how the discovery of their Jewish roots impacted their lives. Alansohn (talk) 03:04, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Alan, there are lots of things that impact someone's life, but upon which we should not categorize. For example, getting married or having children is a rather dramatic life change, but we don't categorize based on these events. Losing a parent when you are young is also a major life event; but again, no such category. I could go on and on. This category as listed is inherently subjective - what are the criteria for inclusion? Is it just the fact that you learned that great grandma was a jew? Or do you have to write a tell-all book about it and tell everyone what a big impact it had? what is "later in life"? What if you found out at age 20? age 18? Age 12? And what is so special about finding out you have jewish blood? If such a category remains, in order to be NPOV, we'd have to create "People who found out they had Catholic ancestors" and "People who found out their forefathers were Buddhists" and "White people who discovered they had black ancestors" and so on... it's really endless. No one is disputing that in some cases such discoveries may have a big impact on peoples lives, but we shouldn't create categories just based on that.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 07:12, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

• It certainly was (re)defining for Csanád Szegedi,--who was just recently turned away from Canada, from a planned speaking engagement in my hometown, in fact. But I wonder if this could not simply be a list rather than a category? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:23, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
• Delete This doesn't seem like a useful way of classifying people, especially given the broad wording of the category. Nick-D (talk) 07:56, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:Government in Slovenia

• Propose merging Category:Government in Slovenia to Category:Government of Slovenia

Nominator's rationale: Most of the members of this category be part of Category:Government of Slovenia as per most of the other categories of governments of countries; this is effectively a duplicate category. Green Giant (talk) 13:14, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Merge per nominator....William 13:37, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• Keep, but possibly rename. The two category names are similar enough to cause confusion, but the distinction is important. The Government of Slovenia is the cabinet that excersises executive authority, but this category has a broader scope, covering the other bodies with legal authority in the country.
  This distinction applies in other countries too, and we need some broader solution to distinguish the cabinet-and-executive structure usually called "Government of Foo" from the wider legal authorities. I see that we have a similar split wrt the US: Category:Government of the United States (the Federal Executive) is a subcat of Category:Government in the United States. The latter includes state govts, county govts, etc.
  Would "Governance of Foo" be workable for the broader category? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:23, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Politics has been notified. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:29, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:Sauces of the mayonnaise family

• Propose renaming Category:Sauces of the mayonnaise family to Category:Mayonnaise-based sauces

Nominator's rationale: Rename. An odd, contrived name when a large number of the articles begin "XXX Sauce is based on mayonnaise with...". Calling them "mayonnaise sauces" seems wrong but the implication that there is a "mayonnaise family" is strange; we dont say there is a "bechamel family", after all. Seyasirt (talk) 13:09, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• Rename per nominator. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
• oppose more research needed, to see if hollandaise and mayonnaise are regularly grouped. They probably are, but hollandaise doesn't have any mayonnaise in it, they are both based on egg yolk emulsions, so you can't call it mayonnaise-based. There are many sauces made from mayonnaise, but also many sauces that are derivatives of hollandaise like bernaise and all it's derivatives. Perhaps egg yolk emulsion-based sauces would work? Need to see what the literature calls this...--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:03, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:Fish sauce

• Propose renaming Category:Fish sauce to Category:Fish sauces

Nominator's rationale: The category contains articles about different types of fish sauces. In this context, sauce is a countable noun. Paul_012 (talk) 09:14, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• rename All the other "type of sauce" categories are in the plural, and it makes sense that this should be so too. Seyasirt (talk) 13:02, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
• Speedy rename WP:C2C per convention of set categories (see WP:NCCAT#General_conventions). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:32, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
• rename per nom.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 00:57, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:Australia navigational boxes

• Propose merging Category:Australian navigational boxes to Category:Australia navigational boxes

Nominator's rationale: Merge. Seem to be for the exact same content. Cycn (talk) 09:00, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• Merge per the non-adjectival convention of parents Category:Australia templates and Category:Country navigational boxes, and of the wider Category:Country templates. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:19, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:Jochen Rindt Memorial Trophy

• Propose deleting Category:Jochen Rindt Memorial Trophy - Template:Lc1
  

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT DexDor (talk) 06:28, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Delete per nominator....William 13:13, 18 December 2013 (UTC)