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Lightsaber combat

  • delete nn-not-real-sport-cruft— Milkandwookiees 16:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep Per this. Definite bad faith nom. Yanksox 16:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, agree w/ Yanksox. This article could be pared down considerably, but there is no basis for deletion. Kafziel 16:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep - the article contains a lot of detailed information which should not simply be deleted. It is of great interest to people such as myself, and is the sort of thing wikipedia is made for. Also, per Yanksox. --Tim 17:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Bad faith or otherwise, this is pure fancruft. Delete and good riddance. Take it to Wookieepedia. -- GWO
  • Delete per nom.--Brownlee 17:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep, it is a large article made by star wars fans (obviously), it appears to be quite good and shouldn't be deleted without a good reason, "nn-not-real-sport-cruft" doesn't fit with me as a valid reason to delete such an article.--Andeh 17:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment user currently has 5 edits and may have afded this in bad faith, per Tim.--Andeh 17:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. I think this is probably of enough interest not to be deleted as 'fancruft'. Trebor 18:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong delete, textbook definition of non-notable fancruft... or to be more specific: very large obsessively and scarily detailed fancruft. It's not remotely suitable for Misplaced Pages. As GWO noted, take it wookieepedia. Or possible turn it into a Wikibook so all the wannabe Jedi Knights can learn their stuff... and you won't have the same extreme problems of trying to justify its existence in an encylopedia. - Motor (talk) 19:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • No vote - Just wanted to say that the cruft level of this article is an embarrassment. While I'm not sure whether or not this should be here, it should certainly be trimmed to something readable at least... Wickethewok 19:26, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I've removed the "speedy" from my "keep" since it certainly doesn't apply anymore, but since this was nom'd w/o discussion and is more than a year old, with many different editors having contributed to it, I think it deserves a chance to be cut down (by a lot) rather than being completely erased out of hand. Real-life content is possible; I assume the actors (if there were any real actors in the prequels) performing the stunts did have to learn all that stuff. If the fan fiction stuff can be reduced to a minimum and replaced with reality, it could have a place here. The rest can move to Wookieepedia. Kafziel 19:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree strongly as well. This is utterly terrifying in its degree of absorption in its subject, and I find myself hoping that somehow a compromise can be found in which I, when reading it, am reminded at least every few pages that the whole thing's fictional. Cruft-smanship doesnt even begin to cover this. Hornplease 05:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually, forget the "weak" part. There's almost no discussion on the talk page about the need for improvements. This really should have been discussed first before taking it to AfD. BryanG 01:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Very Strong Keep. This is an excellent Article and contains comprehensive information that is used by many people. That data compiled into this article contains much information that is generally not available in a single article elsewhere. Master Mor El Kesav 19:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Question- Why are the articles on lightsaber combat in Wookieepedia and Misplaced Pages so different? They have different types of information. Bibliomaniac15
    • Wookieepedia and Misplaced Pages are different wikis, not copies of each other. Different editors wrote the article here and the article there. Also, since Wookieepedia is devoted to Star Wars, they obviously can go into more detail than is usually accepted here. BryanG 22:55, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete or merge to light saber. Star Wars is a very notable phenomenon, and it's great that Misplaced Pages has articles about it, but the level of detail in this article is too deep to be of interest to anyone except hard-core fans. It is approaching fancruft. JIP | Talk 09:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
    • The more I read the article, the less hope I see for all those fancrufty detailed explanations. They're not even verifiable. I'm therefore strenghtening my vote. JIP | Talk 10:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete There's enough info at lightsaber to suffice. All of this is unencyclopedic overkill. GassyGuy 13:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. NN fancruft. LotLE×talk 20:27, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep If you guys don't like it don't read it pretty simple eh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.6.17 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
    • This, and "it doesn't do any harm", are useless arguments. With this logic, we would speedily keep articles about lint found in people's pockets. JIP | Talk 12:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep and Cleanup as per Voice of Treason and BryanG (Though I must agree with user JIP | Talk in the above comment...)
  • Keep and cleanup In my opinion, it's one of the best Star Wars articles on wikipedia. Siyavash 23:38, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep It is interesting. I didn't know lightsaber combat had great depth. --Dark Tichondrias
  • Keep and Cite This is an informative and in-depth article about a very specific, and quite possibly nerdy, area of a fictional universe. So are Klingon language and Morgoth. This is the beauty of Misplaced Pages. I remember being amazed that in one place I could find a list of politicians on The West Wing 'and' a detailed explanation of aortic dissection. This article just needs citations, and it would be a loss to delete it.Nscheffey 09:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and Cite as per Nscheffey. This page is extremely useful to my Star Wars: Jedi Academy clan, it's no worse than some other sci-fi entries, it just needs citations! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.85.149 (talk • contribs) 20:26, June 14, 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep -- This is a great article on the Star Wars extpanded universe. As for all the lack of citations, I guess people just missed all those "according to the MMRPG..." and "____ novel clearly states..." The sources of some statements could be clarified, but it's really a wonderful article! Also, what happened to Form III??? Did someone already try to take that part down?????? -interested reader, wcdeich 14, June 2006 Wcdeich 20:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep -- This article does have citations as stated above and most of the information available here is not available elsewhere, It would be a shame to lose such an informative article that is used regularily. Metroidragon Wednesday, 2006-06-14 23:00 UTC
  • Keep and Cite as per Nscheffey. Barnas 23:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and Cite also. There's a treasure trove of information here, and from the descriptions of lightsaber combat I know from games and several books, a lot of it is accurate. It just needs citations. The page reminds me of how the Force Powers page used to look, but the Force Powers page is pretty clean now ever since we started enforcing citation. We just need to work at it. There is no need to throw out the entire article. -- Solberg 07:43, 15 June 2006 (UTC)Solberg