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I Dream of Genie

FYI, I'm holding off on more copyediting until content contribution has settled down. Can't concentrate with all the construction going on! EEng (talk) 05:49, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Wonderfully said ...

Hi there Blade. I can't say I really understand all that went on, but I did read a really great comment you made about our all having "Misplaced Pages" as an "armor" .. I don't have the diff right at the moment, but I thought it was an absolutely wonderful sentiment. Kudos to you for such sage thoughts in what was apparently a real mess. All my best to you and yours through the rest of the season. ... and thank you for always being a voice of kindness and reason. Ched :  ?  17:15, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks; I happened to be listening to a song called Armor and Sword, and I thought the analogy would work pretty well (most of it is about relationships). As is fairly obvious above, I've been kinda in the zone on one article, but I happened to check AN to make sure my name hadn't been mentioned somewhere and saw all that... what a mess. Can't feel all that horrible about it (I have the article I'm working on for that), but it's still not good to see. I hope things eventually clear up one way or another. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:22, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh my - I just read through the Genie article. (some very nice work by the way). Reading something like that certainly does tend to put things into perspective. That would be a tough subject to devote time to. — Ched :  ?  18:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Shields up, Mr. Sulu. Yellow alert!

Call Norad! Go to Arbcom 4! EEng (talk) 05:28, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Topic ban vio?

Do you consider this edit to be a violation of Maurice07's topic ban? Thanks, Athenean (talk) 07:24, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

For the record, my 2 cents was dropped on my talkpage. Also there is a thread at Heim's talk about this. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 07:30, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

FYI Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:26, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks; I'll drop in there at some point. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Still in reclusion?

I gather your "Do Not Disturb" sign is meant to be down now, maybe? If not send me somewhere else, but since I know you have a tender place in your heart for those whom life has dealt bad hands, I wonder if you can take a look at . My concern is (a) that no one seems to have followed up on the actual deletion, which is inevitable, and (b) that when that happens, it be done with a bit more gentleness than has been manifest to date. EEng (talk) 14:21, 19 January 2013 (UTC) P.S. Can I copyedit now? Huh? Huh? Can I can I can I?

Well, I did leave the sign up intentionally, but I'm more than happy to help out with that situation; it's not total isolation. As for the copyediting, have at it; I'm not going to be able to do anything really substantial on the article for several hours, so it's all yours. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:22, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Speaking of macrons....

...whatever they are, I thought you might be interested in , though Í've not the foggiest idea what they're talking about. EEng (talk) 23:30, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

A macron is the horizontal line over letters; o without, ō with. They're used in Japanese romaji to indicate a vowel with two morae; for instance, chizu means map but chīzu means cheese. The other common way to indicate two morae is to write two vowels; chiizu would also be fine for cheese (for e and o, you'd do this as ei and ou, hence wasei-eigo). I'll look into the discussion later. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:38, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

I thought it was something like:

Captain: But Spock -- how is that possible?

Spock: It appears, Captain, to be a macron-based life form unlike any with which I am familiar. However, on Beta Antares 4 there have been reports of --"

Captain: Oh, shut up, will you for once, Spock?

EEng (talk) 23:18, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Parenthetically speaking—dash it all!

Just so there's no misunderstanding, while I may push back a little I believe that the sum of my slash-burn-relentlessly-boil-down approach plus the tempering instincts of someone less expositorily bloodthirsty such as yourself, works well. Because I trust you I don't always review everything you do, which means that sometimes I will reintroduce a change you backed out, because I might not recall whether I actually /did/ something, versus just thought about doing it. If that happens and you feel strongly, just re-revise. If I still don't get the point, better Talk me.

I do love my dashes and parentheses—I'm told people (most of them, anyway) eventualy get used to them.

I think this is going quite nicely, don't you? EEng (talk) 21:31, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'm finding the process rather engaging. I have no problem with you removing anything, I can always readd it if necessary; if anything, your removals have helped a lot, as an outside view will sometimes catch things that either should be removed or need clarification on why it's useful information. Absolutely nothing being taken personally, your editing has been enormously helpful. I'm somewhat prone to overusing parentheses myself, so I'm perhaps a bit oversensitive to trying to cut them out, and no objections to your dashes. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:06, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Good, gooood! My plan is working perrrfectly. EEng (talk) 23:22, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Heh. The line which seems to be giving us the most trouble now had never caught my attention, as it was there before I was, so I'll see if I can work it out. I think I've finally parsed why the book notes it (if it was worded any more ambiguously I never would have understood it, and compounding the problem is that I'm from a state in which everything is run by the state; there is no county-level organization), and your wording seems as good as anything I'm likely to come up with. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:40, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Also, to save you a bit of work the Early life, Second foster home, Debate, and Related studies sections were worked over by someone else, so you probably won't have to worry too much about those. Slp1 and David in DC seem to be a lot better at understanding the virtues of brevity than I am... honestly, at least part of what captivates me is the fact that, apart from our mutual difficulties with certain types of facial recognition, Genie is my diametric opposite. To compensate for my total ineptitude at non-verbal communication (thank you PDD-NOS...), I've developed an extremely large vocabulary and a proclivity to use it to excess, so this gives me some insight into the other extreme end of communication difficulty. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 00:21, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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Topic ban violation by Maurice

Hello, I wanted to let you know that Maurice is violating his topic ban with this edit , which in addition is entirely unexplained, petty, and bordering on mean-spirited. He is now edit-warring over it, without even providing any justification for his actions, just personal attacks . He has already been blocked once for violating his topic ban . Any help in dealing with this disruption would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Athenean (talk) 00:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, those are really bad. Blocked for a week. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

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FYI Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for the assistance in squashing vandals!

I owe you thanks for helping to squish vandals on my userspace. You should be rewarded for being diligent, swift, and helpful to users. Thanks again! --Thomas (The Lord of Time) (talk) 20:42, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

ANI

What protection level did you apply to ANI? I'd never seen it before, is it different from semi-protection? Ryan Vesey 23:36, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

It's standard semiprotection; not sure why the message was different, but it's just regular semiprotection. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:47, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

WP:ARBMAC Violation

Hi Blade. I would like to inform you that User:Slovenski Volk violated WP:ARBMAC ban on Macedonian language (and I think on Bulgars and South Slavs as well), while at the same time called me an idiot in this edit summary when I reverted his edit (he of course apologised to me when I asked him for the reason of that edit summary). Macedonian (talk) 08:32, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

RfA: thank you for your support

Blade, thank your for kind words and late-breaking support during my recent RfA. Your willingness to commit your support during the sound and fury in the final hours meant a great deal to me. Warm regards, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:59, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

I would like to talk to you about Misplaced Pages development in India at the NYC event. I hope to see you there and look forward to meeting you. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Venting: What cannot be said in article space

(No need to read this. I'm just annoyed and taking you up on your invitation. Nothing to do with you or anything you've edited.)

Consider what these two sentences have in common:

1. Use of Ezra Pound's Parable of the Sunfish is rare in scientific publications.
2. The Prabhat Samgiita is performed rarely, if at all, outside of RAWA-sponsored events.

Neither statement can be sourced reliably—not surprising as no one has been interested sufficiently in either topic to write about articles that fail to contain an anecdote or performances that have never been scheduled. Yet any competent editor could sit down and, after some amount of research, conclude that both sentences are likely accurate. There is no mechanism for getting this information back to the reader.

And why does this matter? "Parable" cites all the scientific papers that quote it, and "Sangriita" will no doubt list every RAWA-sponsored performance. This leaves the impression on the reader that these examples are drawn from a larger population when the editors well know this is not at all the case.

And yet... this state of affiars prevents creationists from claiming "There is no evidence the Ichthus Heliodiplodokus evolved." Of course this is true (and not only because the fish never existed), but this is not the entire story: the same human impulse to write only what is considered important means the fact of evolution is not notarized in peer-reviewed journals for every species discovered. The cure here is far worse than the disease.

Thanks for the opportunity to vent. It helped. Delete this at your leisure.

Garamond Lethet
c 07:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I've looked it over, and all I can say is wow. I feel your pain on both fronts, if there's anything I can do to assist you on either one I'm more than happy to step in. It's hard to believe either one of those could go on like that... glad you got your frustrations out here, I mean it when I say this is a fine place to vent. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:06, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Lightning talk

Hi Blade. There is a (low!) possibility that I can swing by for an hour in the afternoon on Saturday. Any idea when you'll give your talk on Indian castes? --regentspark (comment) 16:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Not entirely sure, I think we did it early afternoon last time, around 1. That'd be awesome if you could make it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:49, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

I'll try to be there at 1. Might have to drag a seven year old along (not easy!). --regentspark (comment) 17:00, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Good luck with that; as the oldest of 4 siblings, I have some idea of what that can be like. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:16, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

I just rechecked the schedule; it says they're doing it at 2:30, though somehow I get the sense it's going to start a little earlier than that. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:36, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

That pushes it back a bit. But I'll try. I will be downtown anyway, just gotta make it work somehow with the kids. --regentspark (comment) 02:13, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Good luck with it, and I hope to see you there. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 06:28, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Stuck uptown. Enjoy! --regentspark (comment) 16:16, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a transcript, Blade? Or is it all done ad lib? - Sitush (talk) 16:36, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

(ec) A video version perhaps? --regentspark (comment) 16:37, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, yeah, There's the systemic bias again. <g> What we need is an audio-visual version: either both a transcript and a vid, or a vid with subtitles. In every language, of course. But do we really want to see what Blade looks like? In fact, does Blade really want people to see what they look like? To have an identifiable image circulating the web when dealing with caste stuff? I've had death threats just for the written version! More seriously, anything would be better than nothing - "owt is better than nowt", as people around my environs say. You have my email addy if that is preferable. - Sitush (talk) 01:42, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I have a transcript, I'll send it to both of you tomorrow after I get off work. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:00, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

A Barnstar especially for your work on Genie

		All Around Amazing Barnstar
		Great job! I am One of Many (talk) 19:22, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Maurice07 evading AE topic ban on Greek-related topics through IP

Hi Blade. IP 188.3.111.74 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is Maurice07 (talk · contribs) evading his AE-imposed ban on Greece-related topics. Please note: the IP is continuing the edit-warring on Echinos for which the master got blocked in the first place. Here the IP is removing information about Cyprus in Mediteranean Sea in an edit the master had introduced in the past. Also see stylistic similarities in edit-summaries: Latest revision as of 18:32, 26 February 2013 188.3.111.74 (Hatay is no longer disputed between Turkey and Syria!) and Maurice07: Maurice07 (See talk page!). Many of the IP edits are also onomatological edit-warring of exactly the same type Maurice07 got blocked for and banned from. And of course the IP is edit-warring trying to add Turkey's dimplomatic missions to Europe rather than Asia, a personal favourite of Maurice07 when he massively edit-warred in the past about the same issue and got his first block on that account. Best regards. Δρ.Κ.  20:28, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh, fun. Looks pretty damn obvious to me, so blocked. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:44, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Blade. All the best. Δρ.Κ.  20:49, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi again Blade. This is a comment regarding Maurice's current unblock request. The IP 188.3.111.74 gets blocked on Misplaced Pages at 16:44 UTC on 26 February. Then at 19:05, on the same day, the same IP goes to Commons and, out of millions of files at Commons, alters one of Maurice's files by removing the Greek name of the file. Note that this is the only edit the IP has made to Commons. And Maurice07 wants to present this IP edit at Commons, in his unblock request, as proof that the IP is not him. The timing and location of the IP single edit at Commons and Maurice's use of the same IP edit in his subsequent unblock request is quite a coincidence and that is above and beyond the rest of the flock of evidence. Δρ.Κ.  20:34, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

David Reimer

Hi Blade, I think you might find the case of David Reimer interesting if you have not already heard about it. Here is the youtube documentary (first of five parts): A boy who became a girl. --I am One of Many (talk) 23:52, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I heard of that story many years ago, but I couldn't remember the name; thanks for that! It certainly didn't hit me quite the way Genie has (at the risk of sounding really strange, I can safely say I was much less rattled after watching video of Auschwitz and Buchenwald than I was after the NOVA documentary; I'm still carrying around a lot of very visceral feelings even now, that's what keeps me so zoned in on it), but it's another very interesting case. Perhaps I'll do some work on that sometime, if I ever do finish the work on Genie and the people around her. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:27, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

The parallels are striking though. It is another example of a "forbidden experiment" gone wrong. Also, you are clearly bringing Genie to a feature level article, which is certainly deserves.--I am One of Many (talk) 23:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Indeed; that's another really awful story, and one which should be well-documented. It's a little further out from what I usually do, but certainly something I could handle. As to Genie, I don't personally care about having an FA myself, but enough other people wanted me to let it through that I acquiesced. It's hard, as I have a lot of very strongly held opinions- among others, I seem to be a lot more sympathetic to the scientists at the center of the case than many of the sources, and I have no great love for the horribly misguided actions Genie's mother took; bluntly put, she had her chance and look what happened, the scientists were the people she should have begged- but I think I've managed so far. And while you're here, thanks for copyediting. I have a tendency to produce William Faulkner-esque sentences (ironic, given I'm much more inclined towards reading Hemingway), and cutting those down is very much appreciated. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 00:05, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I think you are doing it just right. The thing that really screams out is the foster care system in California, at least at that time. I think the scientists involved were well-intended and Genie did improve early on substantially. If I were conducting the research, I would have focused first on the long-term plan for rehabilitation and then conducted less obtrusive observations to assess progress over time. In the case of David Reimer, there is more of a case for scientific misconduct, but I think there is likely much more to the story that we may never know. I also agree that creating an FA for its own sake is not particularly interesting, but creating high quality one is a great goal and you have done an especially good job of explaining the science.--I am One of Many (talk) 08:35, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I remember from the program I watched on Reimer some of the descriptions of the "treatment" Money gave him; what we know is bad enough, but as you say we're probably not going to know everything. Between there being far fewer people at the center of that case and many of those people already being dead, there's probably a lot we'll never know. Honestly, I hope it stays that way, as I think the people around Reimer have been through quite enough already and the details we already have speak for themselves.

Same basic thing with Genie; I honestly hope the next time we hear about her is if Susan Curtiss is able to reconnect with her and decides to make a public statement (although who knows, she may have already and decided not to say anything; I really desperately hope that's it). I tend to think the scientists did the best they could in the case, and if they'd had their way things would most likely have turned out much better. The state foster care system is, as you say, what really what made this so much worse than it had to be, although they wouldn't have been involved if Genie's mother had taken honest stock of her role in Genie's condition and not listened to Ruch (at least Ruch got what was coming to her, though; you couldn't come up with better irony than seeing her rendered aphasic). Honestly, I question the wisdom of even allowing her back into Genie's life, given that her brother wanted nothing to do with his mother after he was 18 and Genie didn't seem to care much about her mother when she was first freed. Back on topic, though, I added another source to the article yesterday out of necessity, as I needed to give some other third-party analysis of Curtiss' dissertation in the Debate section. However, I thought the parts of that source that didn't critique Curtiss' dissertation were unnecessary nastiness towards the scientists, and backed up its assertions with some pretty blatant quote mining to boot; fortunately, though, using sources like that is what I do best (my specialty is the Ainu people, and just about everything written on them is overtly racist and very slanted), so I was able to flesh the good parts of it out. I sincerely thank you for the feedback; I was a little concerned about whether I was giving everything the right amount of weight, and I was unsure how well I presented the more technical linguistic material, so it's good to hear I seem to be doing both well. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 21:36, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I think you have been tying everything together fantastically well. This type of encyclopedic article that ties it all together is well overdue! If you think it would help, I'll do a search on academic reviews of Curtiss' dissertation--and if I'm recalling correct, subsequent publication as a book--and get back to you with the results.--I am One of Many (talk) 23:28, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

I think it would help a lot; I've been over much of Curtiss' dissertation, but another set of eyes would almost certainly find something I missed. I have one academic review from Susan Goldin-Meadow (whose voluminous works I've started reading through when I'm not either researching Genie or reading Zhuangzi and Gongsun Longzi), more would be really helpful if you can find any. And by the way, completely by chance TLC was running the episode on David Reimer this afternoon, so I was able to refresh my memory of that. If I ever do finish my work on Genie and the people around her (I'm perfectly content to take as long as is necessary), I'll start some work on that as well; looks like that article has more than Genie's when I first started working on it, but I'm sure that'll turn into a huge project of its own. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:45, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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Topic Ban appeal

Hi Blade,

please note that I would like to appeal the topic ban:

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--POVbrigand (talk) 11:39, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Sandstein explained to me that I should have discussed my appeal with you first User_talk:Sandstein#My_ban_appeal. I wasn't aware of that. --POVbrigand (talk) 12:11, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Hahc21

Hello, do you happen to have Hahc21's email address. I really need to talk to him regarding WP:GA as he has left unexpectedly. If you do, it would be great to email me it through my talk page toolbox.--Dom497 (talk) 23:53, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

You Rock!

Hello, my friend. You're doing astonishingly good and important work. Thank you. This edit summary troubles me. While the work you're doing is astonishingly good and important (which I may have already mentioned,) you are more so. So, speaking as a guy nearly twice your age who has grown fond of you: please put yourself first. There is no deadline on this article. Perhaps the summary is the product of momentary revulsion at a single edit, which has no additional significance. If so, I'm taking the proverbial mole hill and doing with it what hysterics proverbially do with such a proverbial hill. But I figure that's a better approach than ignoring a slight tingle in my spider sense. If appropriate, please consider a short breather. If I've misinterpreted, please excuse my presumption.

Best,

David in DC (talk) 10:45, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Ah, yes; it was slight hyperbole, but only slight. I think I have a somewhat different way of experiencing emotions, which seems to be fairly common among my kind, and instead of breaking me down it's driven me (those who know me personally might say to madness, but I'm pretty sure I got there years ago). If I really started to lose it, I'd know enough to take a break, but I haven't yet. There are definitely a couple sections of the article which are hard to stomach, that being one of them, and the information in that edit especially was not fun to read or write about. I do appreciate your concern; if there was more of this on Misplaced Pages I think it would be a much nicer place all around. And before I go, thank you very much for your work; it hasn't gone unnoticed, and it's been very helpful. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:49, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Your work on Genie

... is incredible. I just came across it, and I don't ever remember being so utterly absorbed in an article. A sad, difficult and enlightening topic. You've done wonders. ~ Riana ⁂ 20:05, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't know how you found it, but I myself originally ended up at the article completely by accident; if I remember correctly, I think I was looking for an instance where it actually made sense to leave out someone's real name. The topic drew me in the same way, although what really did it for me was the NOVA documentary; aside from the very tragic nature of the subject, Genie remains the only person whose face and body language I can read. Everyone who knew her said she had/has some way of drawing emotions out of people, and the video of her certainly got me too—only very rarely does anything do that to me. I can only imagine what it'd be like to actually get to meet with her in person. Thank you very much for your feedback; I'm more a historian than a linguist, so this has been one hell of a ride putting it together. One of these days I might just finish it, but in the meantime I'm perfectly happy to ride it out as long as necessary. I frequently find myself wishing I could do more for her than simply writing about her on Misplaced Pages, but I can't, so I figure I might as well do what I can do as best as possible. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:16, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Maurice-7, yet again

He has again violated his topic ban . Athenean (talk) 15:41, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Took me a minute to see what the violation was, but yeah that was an obvious one. Will deal with it now. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Advice Polack (again)

You may recall restoring this page in December -- check the log, you'll remember. Now it's been deleted again (again under G10, which it certainly is not), right in the middle of AfD and, more importantly, when a discussion among 4 or 5 editors on the article's talk had begun literally an hour earlier, re the reliability of sources (at least one editor familiar with Polish culture and media countering VolunteerMarek's insistence that all the sources are unreliable.) Can you restore again? There seems to be a complete misunderstanding of BLP here.

Don't be confused by VolunteerMarek's version, which is stripped down under his belief that all the sources are unreliable -- see, if it helps, this earlier version -- of course the whole edit history would be restored. Sorry to trouble you -- again! EEng (talk) 20:29, 29 March 2013 (UTC) PS Great work on Genie -- you're like the Energizer Bunny.

"at least one editor familiar with Polish culture and media countering VolunteerMarek's insistence that all the sources are unreliable" - this isn't really true AFAICT, and neither is belief that all the sources are unreliable. TVN is a reliable source. All other ones are indeed unreliable though. Unfortunately the TVN source was/is a very very very minor part of the article.Volunteer Marek 20:36, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

User:Piotrus apparently brought Polish_culture_during_World_War_II to FA so his bona fides are obvious. His evaluation was

Reliable sources: NIE, TVN24, Fakt (if you count tabloits as reliable), perhaps EGI and naTemat, through would have to look at them further. Only TVN24 is a mainstream newspaper outlet here.

I was looking forward to you and he discussing this.

Anyway, the article cannot possibly be characterized as G10. Pages that disparage, threaten, intimidate or harass their subject or some other entity, and serve no other purpose.. It's absurd. Now stop shopping for forums. After the article is restored give reasons for your belief that various sources are unreliable.

EEng (talk) 20:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Did you just accuse me of forum shopping, AFTER you've been busy posting to everyone and their dog's talk page about this ? Really? Replying to YOUR attempts at forum shopping is not forum shopping.Volunteer Marek 20:58, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

"Inviting everyone and their dog" isn't forum shopping (or even canvassing, which I think is what you might have meant) -- it's getting as many points of view as possible. I invited everyone who posted to the AfD (without regard to whether they had supported delete or supported keep) plus recent editors of the article, plus its original creator, to participate at Talk:Advice Polack on the question of source reliability. Now that it's been, improperly, deleted as G10 I'm asking that it be restored so the discussion, at the original Talk forum, can continue. You, on the other hand, are advocating that the deletion stand (otherwise what are you doing here?) -- in other words, if you can keep it deleted, you won't have to face actual discussion in the original forum, the Talk page.

To summarize, I'm here to ask that the original discussion, now aborted, can continue, while you're here to ask that the original discussion remain aborted, since that leads to the outcome you want -- deletion. That's what you might call preemptive forum shopping.

Anyway, the only question before us here is whether the article qualified as G10. Blade? (I don't know what the last version looked like, but if there's any question be sure to examine the version I linked earlier, which certainly isn't G10)

EEng (talk) 21:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Objecting to your false characterization of discussion, that's what I'm doing here. Look, I agree that the page shouldn't have been speedy deleted this time around, since the AfD was ongoing. I am not here to "ask" anything - where did I "ask" for anything? You're the one doing all the asking. You're attributing things to me which just aren't true. And you've accused me of forum shopping without any basis or reason.Volunteer Marek 21:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

In all our interactions it's the same thing -- you reply to things people didn't say. What I said was

You, on the other hand, are advocating that the deletion stand (otherwise what are you doing here?)

Since you didn't say you support restoration, instead went to the trouble of claiming I misrepresented you, one draws the obvious conclusion that you were opposing what I was requesting -- restoration.

Why didn't you fucking just say you support restoration -- or just say nothing here, and let restoration happen -- then pick up any issues between us back on the article Talk where they belong. Why stir up all this dust?

So, Blade, since my friend here and I seem to be in violent agreement, can you confirm no G10, and then restore? (I just noticed this , which implies some hot evidence compelling deletion was on the article's Talk, so better be sure to check that -- though I still think we're surrounded by people who don't understand G10. When I contacted you I thought this would be a straightforward restoral -- sorry. Um, this seems to be the "evidence' referred to -- what BS.)

EEng (talk) 22:17, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Indeed I will, and if you need me to do anything else let me know. Seems pretty straightforward to me. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:11, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I have declined a further G10 nomination, and reopened the AfD which was closed after Merovingian's G10 deletion. JohnCD (talk) 23:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Rev-del (or oversight, or whatever)

This article is the gift that keeps on giving. I forget which is the right process -- revdel or oversight -- but the very person who was requesting G10 posted the real-life name of the person involved, plus a link to his work webpage. Can you swiftly revdel/oversight the material added here ? EEng (talk) 23:41, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Sigh, that's not a "link to his work webpage" that's a link to one of these crappy sources from the article. Seriously, if you have no idea of what you're talking about, why get into an argument? Volunteer Marek 23:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

The post providing the link said it was to the individual's work webpage. I took him at his word. EEng (talk) 04:03, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) And I got to say, it's... "ironic", that here you're attacking the editor who G10 nommed it for "linking to his photo", yet this is one of the very sources you're trying to CRAM into this article. BLP, BLP and one more time, BLP.Volunteer Marek 23:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Rev-deleted. Posting this name and picture are absolutely contrary to WP:BLP. JohnCD (talk) 23:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Dude. This is one of the "sources" that EEng and others are trying to add to this article! If putting it on the talk page (in order to illustrate BLP problems) is contrary to BLP, then sure as hell putting it IN THE ARTICLE is contrary to BLP.Volunteer Marek 23:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

You're mixed up as (it can now be said with confidence) usual. I haven't added any sources to the article, merely copyedited it, and asked for discussion on which sources are reliable. I don't know what's in them in detail, so I'm not surprised to hear one of them is the same as the one being revdel-ed here. You're turning the fact that I didn't realize that two sources are the same into some kind of demonstration of hypocrisy. Please discuss this on the article's Talk and leave poor Blade be. EEng (talk) 00:21, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Nope, not mixed up . You were (re) adding this source to the article, but somehow have a problem with a link to it being placed on the talk page. I don't know if it's hypocrisy, but it's something.Volunteer Marek 00:50, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

It is in the nature of mixed-up people to not realize it -- see Dunning–Kruger effect. Any experienced editor looking at the link you provided understands what I was doing. Please take this to the article's Talk, where I've set up a subsection for each source so as to group together various editors' opinions on that source. Blade, I'm sorry I got you involved -- thought it would be a straightforward restore. EEng (talk) 03:58, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

It is in the nature of mixed-up people to not realize it -- see Dunning–Kruger effect - is this like when you compared me to Hitler and then accused ME of violating Godwin's Law? You might want to pause once in awhile and reflect on whether the advice you're so ready to dish out to others just might not apply to yourself.Volunteer Marek 04:14, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Can't I even get up to go to the bathroom without a renewal of this mischegas?

No, what I said (long ago) was that Hitler was a striking illustration of how dangerous autodidacts can be; then I said "but I rush to mention, as well, Godwin's Law" (or something like that); that is, by pointing self-consciously to the tendency for nasty comparisons to be invoked, I was explicitly disavowing the idea that I might be making such a comparison in this case (beyond the point about autodidacts). I've already explained this to you at least once and you still don't get it?

As for "accusing of violating Godwin's Law" -- Crikey, where to begin? Godwin's "Law" states that all discussions sooner or later degenerate into Nazi namecalling. Accusing you of "violating Godwin's Law" would mean,... um,... saying something to you along the lines of, "Hey, you're violating the rule that says sooner or later you have to call someone a Nazi! Get with the program, will you? You can start by calling me Hermann Goering!" What an idiotic concept.

As to your suggestion that I unknowingly suffer from Dunning-Kruger: I take substantial reassurance from the low incidence of multiple editors simultaneously asking me to please put a sock in it. That mode of reassurance not being available to you, I assume you've found some interpretation of events which salves your ego during those hard times.

Now for the nth time, I don't enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself -- well, maybe just a bit, but still it's not a very productive use of my time -- so will you please stop embarrassing yourself in these hopeless attempts to one-up me, and get over to Talk:Advice Polack with some substantive comments on source reliability.

Blade, always good to see you. Your work on Genie has been FA-ntastic. EEng (talk) 04:57, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Now I remember why I ended the conversation with you last time. Given enough time your comments degenerate into incomprehensible babble. So once again, I'm done talking to you.Volunteer Marek 05:20, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

I will have a good, thorough look at this tomorrow when I get home from work; should be about 12 hours from now. I'm not ignoring this, I just wasn't in the right frame of mind to deal with it tonight (nothing really to do with Misplaced Pages). Oh, and if you want incomprehensible babble, go to the article EEng references above; I rather think EEng is more comprehensible than Genie or Chelsea. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:27, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Blade, I hope you didn't think there was any implied rebuke on my part for "ignoring this." But if you are so foolhardy as to venture in... remember, this is my copyedited version of the page -- the current one is a stub which Marek keeps substituting. I want to be clear that I know nothing of the sources -- all I did was copyedit -- but it was the venerable John Vandenberg that largely built the article, and naturally I trust him. EEng (talk) 12:37, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

No, nothing of the sort taken. All right, I've looked at everything here and I'm really not seeing anything requiring admin tools. There's no BLP violation that I'm picking up on, and I'm not familiar enough with the subject to say anything about weight and sources. John Vandenberg seems like the person who Volunteer Marek should be after, so if you have a problem go there; EEng pretty much looks like just a copyeditor on the article. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:06, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Belated thanks. EEng (talk) 03:11, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Account creation

Just so you know, the stewards just locked the AFD account you created... they didn't think it was funny. --Rschen7754 03:40, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

The thing is that there were two other accounts created minutes before this one that were locally blocked. It appeared to me that this was just another vandal account. Just like happens every day, with a similar name pattern. We don't check log of creation before locking. It is now unlocked anyway. Regards.—Teles «Talk to me˱_{M @ C S}˲» 04:18, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Any big plans for this one?  7  05:26, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

That's the one that was just unlocked. Ryan Vesey 05:32, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

No, no worries; I could have been a little more descriptive in my account creation. Wasn't thinking of doing anything specific, just trying to unwind a little bit. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 13:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Edits

Dude. What part of "April Fools" do you not understand? Harmless pranking is a tradition around here on April 1. Ten Pound Hammer • 18:33, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

• Wow, my eyesight really is shot. Ten Pound Hammer • 18:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Rumiton's topic ban

Hello. I have appealed against your topic banning of me from Prem Rawat articles at Arbitration Enforcement. Rumiton (talk) 05:37, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Darius Dhlomo Drive

Hello. You are invited to join Darius Dhlomo Drive, a project which aims to cleanup and resolve one of the oldest copyright investigations on the site. We hope that you will join and help to clean what's left of the copyright violations. You are getting this invitation because you have helped out previously, and I am inviting you back to hopefully wrap this up. Wizardman 01:39, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Co-nominating my RfA

While I was intending to wait for you, others have already made the Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Piotrus 2 live. In either case, thank you for your offer. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:02, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem; sorry I totally spaced last night. I'll swing by when I'm back from work in a couple hours. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 12:52, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for going through with the conomination. While this relates to the edit by the other nominator, since you endorsed it as a co-nom, please note that at least one other editor has major issues with it. As my nom is already spiraling down in a flame of death, I do not wish to drag others with me. I will not hold it against you if you decide to withdraw your conomination to avoid being involved in any dramu. Cheers, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:31, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I think the reality of the situation lies in between Malik's and Nick-D's statement; it doesn't affect my conom statement. I can see it's been rough for you, but I really hope you don't get discouraged. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:37, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

What doesn't kill me... Cheers, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

You know, I am actually finding a lot of the comments quite constructive. Always look on the bright side, huh? What's your take on the discussion? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Apart from a few isolated comments it seems to be mostly devoid of invective, which is good. You're definitely getting a lot of feedback, and most of it seems to be the constructive type; that's about all one can ask for at a controversial RfA. It's obvious you've picked up on some good tips, and I'm glad it wasn't accompanied with the nastiness that so frequently plagues such discussions. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

You mean it tends to get worse? :D Btw, are co-nominators not allowed/expected to vote? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:18, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

No, that was just a mistake on my part; let me resolve that now. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Maurice07 redux

Hi Blade. For background please see the section on your talk: Maurice07 evading AE topic ban on Greek-related topics through IP where Maurice was evading his Greek topics ban through 188.3.111.74 (talk · contribs). Fast forward to today: Maurice07 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) goes to Anthony Appleyard to request a move back of Soumela Monastery, clearly a Greek topic, an obvious breach of his ban on Greek topics and specifically on onomatology. Also see his edit here about the name of the Greek monastery at RM: But this is only the tip of the iceberg. Guess who botched the move of the monastery article in the first place. You guessed it: 188.3.37.83 (talk · contribs). A clear sock of IP188.3.111.74 from above and for which Maurice got a one-month block. Just in case anyone had any doubts, at talk Soumela monastery IP 188.3.37.83 comments about the move supplying two of the four sources Maurice07 gave to Anthony. I will not mention his insults and removing of referenced information from Armenian topics and calling referenced edits from there "vandalic". Please see also DQ's talk for additional problems under AA2. Thank you for your time. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  00:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll have a look. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:06, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Blade. Δρ.Κ.  02:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to let DeltaQuad make the ultimate determination here, as he's the CU and can run a check if he so desires, but that sure looks like Maurice07 to me. I'll tell him as much. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:44, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Blade. But apart from the socking, isn't his involvement in the move request for the Greek monastery a violation of his editing ban on Greek-Turkish relations, per this decision? Δρ.Κ.  02:54, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

This is an interesting gray area... its connection to Greek-Turkish relations is historical more than anything else, so it's a bit tenuous. I personally think yes, it is, but I'd like a 3rd opinion on that. I recently had a rough time at AE for a similarly hazy case, and although it worked out in my favor it's made me a little wary. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:59, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

If you need a third opinion, there is no problem. Thank you again Blade for taking the time. All the best. Δρ.Κ.  03:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Blade, how about filing an AE request to let other admins weigh in on the matter? Please advise. Thanks, Athenean (talk) 05:58, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm sick of you Dr.K's and Athenean's personal attacks against me. I strongly reject this baseless and unsubstantiated claims. To see this, do not need to be a scholar,enough to look at his contributions. So far, I have not done any editing on Sumela Monastery.. I know, I'm greek topic banned and have explained it talk page of Anthony Appleyard . If you pay attention, I sent a request to talk page of administrator. Here, there is not a violation of the ban! In addition,it does not change the fact that user Athenan's illegal and destructive edit. . Two greek user can not be neutral in AA2 to me. I trust admins Blade and DeltaQuad about about it. -- Maurice (talk) 09:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

• Blade, this user is topic-banned from Greek-Turkish relations broadly interpreted. This wording is already written on his talkpage by DQ. Look at the fight and the personal attacks he is bringing forward for a clearly Turkish-Greek-related onomatological dispute. He got banned at AE from Greek onomatological disputes specifically because it was demonstrated there that he is hardwired trying to advance the Turkish version of names even when not warranted by COMMONNAME. He wreaked onomatological havoc on Xanthi, Thesaloniki, Imia/Kardak and other articles, by himself and through his sockpuppets, and now he is doing the same with Soumela Monastery. Look at his vehement effort and personal attacks for a bunch of diacritics. If the expression broadly construed, in his Greek-Turkish relations ban, is to mean anything he should be blocked for violating it on the monastery issue. As we speak and despite acknowledging that he is topic banned from this issue he is raising a royal crapstorm on the talkpage of Soumela while his sock IPs are sitting in the gallery cheering. He feels empowered because he hasn't been blocked yet and he is making a mockery of his AE sanctions. I didn't want to pressure you yesterday given your choice not to act on it but I had to intervene now that Maurice07 feels empowered enough for personal attacks and is not stopping his involvement with the Soumela onomatological dispute despite acknowledging that he is banned from it: I know, I'm greek topic banned and have explained it talk page of Anthony Appleyard . If you pay attention, I sent a request to talk page of administrator.. He has to be made to understand that if he is topic banned as he acknowledges he is not supposed to get involved with it. Broadly interpreted is just the icing on the cake just in case anyone had any qualms about blocking. Thank you for your consideration. Best regards. Δρ.Κ.  13:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Convincing enough for me; maybe it's the coffee I had this morning, but this looks very clear-cut to me. Accordingly dealt with. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:31, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much Blade. I guess it was the coffee for me too, especially after I saw the renewed attacks in the morning. :) It just brought it together for me. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  16:43, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Blade. He is evading his block !voting on Soumela with an IP geolocating to the same building as the other two. He also uses the same bad grammar as the master. The IPsock has also been blocked before for removing names from Greek and Armenian topics. He removed the Greek name of Fethiye today as he did on 11 April calling it "greekification". Δρ.Κ.  14:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks like him to me all right; block extended. If DeltaQuad wants to do something else, he can go ahead. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 21:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Blade. I was thinking of opening a formal SPI but you gave me a bit more time to organise the evidence. I'll inform DQ just in case he can spare me the effort of a formal investigation. Best regards and thanks again. Δρ.Κ.  22:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Δρ.Κ. I suggest you do open an SPI report, just so that this is recorded in a central location and there is an easy to get to record of the IPs later if they are needed. Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:40, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much Callanecc for your kind advice. You know, I agree completely with you. There is no better place than a central SPI location. Except for one thing. I have had it up to here with writing about this guy. I am just tired of this case. I need time to recover from that. :) Take care. Δρ.Κ.  01:47, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Done. Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Maurice07. Δρ.Κ.  02:40, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:AE#Maurice07

Please see this report at AE, which asks for sanctions of Maurice07 under ARBAA2. Since you've recently issued a one-month AE block of Maurice07, it is unclear that anything more needs to be done. So far he is topic-banned from Greek-Turkish relations under ARBMAC but is not restricted yet under ARBAA2. Unless you want to issue more sanctions, you might consider closing the AE report and logging your recent block in whichever case you think appropriate. Otherwise a different admin might close it just to keep the board tidy but may not be aware of your entire rationale. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:23, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about that; I'll shut it down and log it accordingly. When I blocked I wasn't sure whether DeltaQuad was going to do something else, but it doesn't look that way, so I'll clean everything up. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:28, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

End of topic ban request

It is nearly six months since you topic banned me. Rather than having to go through the convoluted process of trying to find an impartial audience to end my topic ban, I'm asking you to do it. Thanks. MOMENTO 08:20, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

DJ Hoppa

As the deleter of DJ Hoppa, could you restore it to User:Launchballer/DJ Hoppa? Seven links to it (to my mind) says it's notable, and I'd like something to work from. Thank you.--Launchballer 13:12, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and have some pierogi!

	Pierogi Award
	Thanks for your support of my RfA. It didn't succeed this time, but that's no reason not to have some nice pierogi. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:26, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Page move collateral damage

Not as fearsome as the title suggests. Where I've been porting userspace drafts into mainspace, there are redirects everywhere. Please delete the following redirects:

• User:Launchballer/Alvin Risk
• User:Launchballer/DJ Hoppa
• Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Alvin Risk
• User:Launchballer/Teen Beat (song)
• User:Launchballer/Give It Up
• User talk:Launchballer/Give It Up

Thank you.--Launchballer 21:25, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

I have mentioned you at ArbCom

in the evidence section of an ArbCom case. I am sending you this notice solely as a courtesy. -- # _ 00:17, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Fallout: Equestria

Someone's recreated the article in the past week or so. As you were the one to delete the article when it was at AFD last year (which I did not discover until "2nd nomination" appeared in the Twinkle dialog), could you examine the current article to see if it fits under the CSD#G4 criteria so we don't have to go through a Brony-infused AFD again?—Ryulong (琉竜) 07:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you ...

... for clearing out that summary. Would you mind getting the other inappropriate remark about that editor when you get a chance?  davidiad { t } 04:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC) ... and thanks again.  davidiad { t } 22:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Your article submission Ngaik

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Hi

Could you please take a look at Ip 87.232.1.48 latest edits after being unblocked. We had a long edit dispute before his 3 months block and now I have a feeling the IP is kind of Wikihounding me by following me around on Misplaced Pages. Doing edits on Jodi Arias film article Jodi Arias: Dirty Little Secret and the AfD of that article and also on Miss World Sweden reverting my edit and on Yohios talk page. All articles that I have edit recently, and all of those edits from the IP has been made today. I am assuming good faith but I feel it is better for both of us to move on but for that to happen the IP can not follow my edits and edit the exact same articles so obvious. if you got the time please check it out. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 02:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time. I just want to be left alone from the IP and be productive. Thank you again!--BabbaQ (talk) 02:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

No problem, was pretty straightforward hounding to me. Let me know if it keeps going and I'll handle it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:52, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

If he tries anymore hounding or rude tactics I will report them to you instantly. Thank you.--BabbaQ (talk) 03:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

If you could take a look at user EricaL2003 ' on Paris Hilton, I have tried to be very nice and reasonable with the user for a long time and the user continues to do massive changes to the article. The changes often appears to be of "gossip magazine" tone. I have warned the user that it might get blocked once again if it change its way to edit but no change in sight. Regards, --BabbaQ (talk) 19:31, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

The IP still doesnt get your point about hounding. Continued hounding unfortunatly today. All I am asking for is to be left alone for a while from the IP instead it seems the IP is more interested in wanting a reaction from me then actually edit on Misplaced Pages. All of the IPs latest edits has been reverted by different users. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 16:35, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you again. Let's hope that I will not have to come back to you with new developments. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 11:09, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of DJ Hoppa for deletion

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NYC Wiki-Picnic: Saturday June 22

	Great American Wiknic NYC at Prospect Park
	You are invited to the Great American Wiknic NYC in Brooklyn's green and lovely Prospect Park, on this Saturday June 22! We would love to see you there, so sign up and bring something fun for the potluck :) -- User:Pharos (talk)

Warning: Potential neutron article

This is a warning that Genie_(feral_child) is approaching the size 300,000 bytes, at which point (according to some cosmologists) its gravitation may cause it to collapse on itself, leaving it a smoldering superdense wikiremnant. Editors working on the article when that happens may be unable to escape its event horizon. You have been warned!

Current article size: 128,883 bytes.

EEng (talk) 00:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Heh. I've been cutting out some of the unnecessary bytes of text the last few days, and if I can figure out how to better cite books in footnotes that'd take out about 15K at least. I'm also going to rework the lead a little bit more so people who only want the basic idea can get it. However, it's still not as large as the United Kingdom article, so it's not too huge just yet. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:14, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

...And it would seem I've figured it out. Funny, I did the same thing a couple weeks ago and it didn't work at all, but glad it does now. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:33, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I should also mention that once you get to zz , adding just one more use of that same cite could create a rift in the time-space-citation continuum, the consequences of which are predicted by Einstein's Theory of Wikitivity. EEng (talk) 03:33, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism report

Hello there. I'm not sure if you remember me, you helped me out last year by blocking an IP user due to persistent vandalism? Well, 69.247.190.207 (talk) has been disruptively editing Misplaced Pages basically since their last block expired in September 2012. They have received countless warnings and explanations from me and other users on their editing and yet they continue to do it. Reverting their vandalism has become very tedious and it is annoying how the warnings posted on their talk page do nothing. I was wondering if you could please block them? If you are unable to do so for whatever the reason may be, could you please tell me where else I can report this? Thank you very much. Regards, Creativity97 15:02, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

adminship

Hi Blade. As a former contributor to this, you may wish to take a look at this. If you do, please read it carefully in order not to miss the explicit objective. Comments on its talk page. Cheers, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:06, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

An interesting proposal, and I'll certainly look it over some later today. Hopefully I'll have something useful to say about it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:15, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Collapsed section at WP:NFCR

Hi Blade. I have concerns about your collapsing several nominations at WP:NFCR. First, the image File:Theophilus C Abbot.jpg does appear to be PD, and should be re-templated as such. Second, all the images in the collapsed section have templates on their file description pages that need to be removed if these nominations are being withdrawn. And third, the page is maintained by a bot. If the sections are not closed using the templates provided, the bot will never move them to the archive. Regards, -- Diannaa (talk) 18:34, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I did that at the behest of Sfan00 IMG, I'm not familiar with the NFCR procedures. I'm not sure what the best way to fix that is, I'll look at the instructions and see what I'm supposed to do; if you know what you're doing, feel free to correct it if I haven't already. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Return of Banned user

Greetings. Last year you banned one user (here is the report ) for sock puppetry and edit warring. I believe he has returned. The last edits in El Clásico article are the same and the language (including the threat to always come back) are also the same used by this anonymous editor in the subject/headline. I don't know how to proceed. Any help would be welcome. Thanks.--Coquidragon (talk) 12:52, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Looks pretty obvious to me; IP blocked for a while, and if there are further attempts I'll semiprotect the page. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:52, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Having seen the number of various disruptive edits from several users and IPs over the last month I would be inclined to protect it anyway, especially in the light of will every now and then come back here and delete the 11-1-result. Sometimes it might take a month or more, but i will always come back. So you will never really win this, you can never relax. It will go on like this forever. And that satifies me . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:05, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Probably a good idea; I'll hit it for a few months, if it keeps going after that I'll upgrade it to indef. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. Sorry for my part in the edit warring!--Coquidragon (talk) 13:39, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

It seems that, since you protected the article, User:Enkonga100 is back in action with his disruptive editing.--Coquidragon (talk) 20:38, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Because you didn't ask for recognition

		The Invisible Barnstar
		For your incredible and extensive contributions to Genie (feral child). I don't think I've ever seen anyone solo an article into such a good state like that. MezzoMezzo (talk) 07:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch! It hasn't been quite solo—David in DC, EEng, and I Am One Of Many have all done great copyediting, and Slp1 was hugely helpful in piecing together the Early history section—but it's been one hell of a ride. I've given up trying to figure out when I'll ever be done with it, however long is necessary is just fine with me; it's what happens when you get the right combination of interests. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I didn't ask for recognition either, so shouldn't I get an Invisible Barnstar too? EEng (talk) 04:13, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I rather think you do; anyone willing to slog through my attempts at prose deserves one. Will get you all set in a little bit. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Prem Rawat

You will be aware that Francis Schonken has made 50+ edits to the Prem Rawat article in the last week without so much as one post on the talk page. Apart from removing large amounts of sourced material, he's is making obvious grammatical errors. If you are not prepared to step in, please lift my ban so I can argue the merits of his edits with him.MOMENTO 22:00, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I've taken a preliminary look, and I think some action is warranted. I'm not in the state of mind right now to handle it, but I'll have a look later today and deal with it. Thanks for alerting me to it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 15:58, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I presume to eliminate any suggestion of bias in your activities you will treat Francis Schonken in the same way you treated Rainer. That is, no warning, an indefinite topic ban and revert all edits to the stable version.MOMENTO 00:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

A time is coming soon when you will be asked to explain why you gave Rainer, who made one edit to the Prem Rawat article in 12 months, an indefinite topic ban without warning for "battleground behaviour", when Francis Schonken, who makes 50+ undiscussed edits that removed sourced material and adds grammatical errors, gets a suggestion from you that he retrospectively "bring them up on the talk page" to "head off a tremendous amount of conflict". Too late Blade, he's already done it. And, too late, you've already provided us with an excellent demonstration of how you use your admin powers. Will Beback went on for years doing this sort of stuff but he'll never edit Misplaced Pages again.MOMENTO 07:08, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Look, I really don't have much time for this now, but I will say that your view of things is rather... slanted. If you want me to give a detailed explanation I can, but right now my on-wiki time is very limited and my focus when I am on is elsewhere. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:13, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Don't lose any sleep fretting about this, Blade. Everyone sees what's going on here . EEng (talk) 11:18, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Have you considered that the slanted one might be you? Francis Schonken's edits were to remove positive material on the benefits of meditation, insert ancient controversies into the lead and make a total dog's breakfast of the article's prose, and you said "it's not to say you did anything wrong." If he had worked to highlight the achievements and recognition of Prem Rawat and made the article easier to read, would you have written that? And as for saying he should discuss future edits to "head off a tremendous amount of conflict", is that a joke? He's already done his damage and totally gotten away with it. There was no conflict involved at all, and I think you made sure of that. Rumiton (talk) 05:11, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I suggest you find time to explain why you have banned some Rawat contributors and not others.MOMENTO 09:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I know I'm probably fanning the flames here, but for anyone who stumbles across this; unlike Momento and Rumiton, Francis Schonken was not a party named in the two arbitration cases on Prem Rawat and has never been topic banned from the subject or even notified of the outstanding discretionary sanctions before. It's also disingenuous to say that I only banned people who support Rawat, as I also banned the most vocal Rawat detractor because he was also being disruptive; I really, really don't have an opinion on Rawat and his work, as my Indian philosophy of choice is Carvaka. Now, as I have indicated twice further up on this page and (with some help from EEng) in the editnotice which shows up every time you go to edit this page, I'm not interested in carrying this or anything else on here. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:11, 24 July 2013 (UTC) By the way, Momento, if you want your signature to be in all caps, enter ] (without the nowiki tags) and it should show up right).

Francis Schonken not named? Not notified of the outstanding discretionary sanctions before? FS was named in both PR Requests for Arbitration, he's been admonished and blocked over his PR editing. He knows all about the discretionary sanctions but a quick look at how you treated Rainer let's him know where your allegiance lies.

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat (18 March 2008) - Francis Schonken (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log).
• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat 2 (20 February 2009) - Users admonished - 3.2) Francis Schonken (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log).
• Francis Schonken(talk · contribs) blocked 48 hours per Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement#Momento_edit-warring_over_criticism_section_at_Prem_Rawat — Rlevse • Talk • 14:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC).

Unlike the completely innocent Rainer, who you indefinitely topic banned.MOMENTO (talk) 07:02, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

And the completely innocent Rumiton. Do not forget Rumiton. Rumiton (talk) 08:51, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

BTW, I had never heard of Carvaka, but looking at the link I find its philosophy very close to what Prem Rawat has always asserted. That's just BTW. Rumiton (talk) 09:01, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I am traveling and have big family issues to deal with but this is not a good or fair situation. While admins can make mistakes and I have no problem with that-they are people too- they have to be able to see the mistakes and the courage to deal with and correct them which shows dignity and integrity. Editors on PR with one exception were banned with no evidence. I am so sorry about all of this. This is a bad situation all around and and needs to be corrected. Sorry for the general nature of this post, time online is short for me.(olive (talk) 15:02, 25 July 2013 (UTC))

I realized this sounds like an attack on Blade which was not my intent so I apologize for that. What i intended was to ask that he consider these points and of they refer to him or could refer to him that he consider that too. Reviewing and even modifying past actions is not a weakness but a strength(olive (talk) 16:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC))

I'm willing to review my actions regarding Francis, I've been severely pressed for time of late and not really in the mood when I have it. If something more is warranted, then I'll do it; I didn't realize he was a named party, I was going on my memory which is usually extremely reliable. Not sure when I'll be able to look it over, I'm on borrowed time already here, but I will. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:49, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

IP edits

I'm sorry about reverting your edits last night. I read the first edits and viewed the previous edits as better written, so I did a good faith revert. I then saw in subsequent edits that the IP new the subject well. However, I didn't know that it was you. Also, in the next few weeks, I would be happy to give Genie a careful read if you think that would be helpful. Cheers. --I am One of Many (talk) 18:48, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about it; I'd have reverted me if I was paying closer attention. Shouldn't try to edit at 2 in the morning, it was my bad. Anything you're willing to do would be supremely appreciated, I've always had a problem with, to quote a neuropsych from when I was 9, "being oddly verbose". The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:58, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Maurice07 redux

Hi Blade. On 15 July I warned Maurice07 about his evasion of his Greek topics related AE ban. Today I noticed that on 20 July he also used IP 78.191.228.109 to add the Turkish name of Xanthi at the lead of the article, an edit the master, Maurice07, has edit-warred over in the past to add to Xanthi and also used other IP socks to do the same as shown here by IP 188.3.111.74 and here by the same IP, a known Maurice sock as shown also at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Maurice07. As with all the other IP socks of Maurice, IP 78.191.228.109 (talk · contribs) geolocates in the same building on the same street of Istanbul, as seen also in Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Maurice07. Thank you for your consideration. Δρ.Κ.  21:00, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Blade, I know you are busy but FYI, I opened a new investigation. Best regards. Δρ.Κ.  18:00, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey, sorry I missed your message earlier; I agree those are dead ringers for Maurice07. I may pop over to the SPI if I can contribute anything useful. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:25, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

No problem at all Blade and thank you. I know how busy you are and my apologies for adding to your work load. :) Take care. Δρ.Κ.  21:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Northern, Now, I'm aware of the Dr's last claims and accusations. I absolutely don't accept. It has become a personal revenge for user Dr.K. My explanation and defense here Talk page of DeltaQuad Thanx. Maurice (talk) 02:38, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Please don't spread personal attacks and false accusations about me. If it were "personal revenge" why on Earth would I be so nice to warn you about your blatant and repeated violation of your Greek topics-related ARBMAC ban, when you edit-warred and removed the picture of a Greek Church twice from Albania on 15 July and using deceptive edit-summaries, instead of taking you straight to WP:AE? It is when you started your usual IP sock disruption at Xanthi and continued reverting in other articles when I decided to open an SPI about you based on behavioural evidence and evidence presented in the past SPI about you. There is nothing personal in my actions. Just a firm belief that these are your IP socks based on your past record as reflected in your SPI casepage. Δρ.Κ.  03:01, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes,I edited twice article of Albania , but I didn't do it intentionally. I didn't know that photograph a Greek Orthodox church. Because, File:Labova e Kryqit3.jpg there is no definition in the picture in this regard and likewise caption of picture on the article. Already, a user who has the sanction ARBMAC, why intentionally do? When you send a message about it, I understand it and didn't do any more a new edit. Of course I can not deny this chancing but all other IP addresses, a campaign of slander and calumniation. I strongly reject them. Dr,as you say,"Just a firm belief" and just you believe it. They are nothing more than a "claim", without any concrete proof a claim! Maurice (talk) 10:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk page categories

Hello,

I was just looking at the category listings of Misplaced Pages admins (Category:Misplaced Pages administers-T and Category:Misplaced Pages administrators willing to make difficult blocks) and noticed that your Talk Page/archived Talk Pages (specifically, User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights, User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights/Archive 9 and User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights/Archive 10) had Admin categories placed on them.

So, on the Admin Category pages, amid the long list of Usernames, appears your Talk Page and Talk Page Archives. It's appropriate that the Administrator category is applied to your main User page but probably not your individual Talk Pages...but it's just a suggestion. Thanks! 69.125.134.86 (talk) 14:59, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Agh, not sure why that's happening. I'll fix it; thanks for letting me know. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

The Wild Child showing tonight

Not that WP is a social media site or anything, but I thought you might be interested to know that Turner Classic Movies is showing The Wild Child 21 minutes from now (1159pm Eastern). Just noticed. EEng (talk) 03:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

AfC

Hi Blade. I know you are probably sick and tired of hearing about ACTRIAL, but you may not be aware of the current discussion about AfC which is heading the same way. I've listed some diffs which may include comments of yours, so you may wish to chime in. You'll preferably need to read the entire RfC to get up to speed. Cheers, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:07, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Mentioned

Please see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Second arbitration enforcement action appeal by TheShadowCrow. This is about a topic ban that you originally issued on 2 July, 2012 according to the WP:ARBAA2 log. The ban was later extended or interpreted by other admins. At this point it is kind of murky whether the ban still has an 'owner' though you might be it. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:20, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

BLOCKING THREATS

If you have come here to post a long, profane rant about either me or some aspect of Misplaced Pages, I have no objections, as I think it's helpful to vent sometimes. I ask that you only 1. refrain from making personal attacks about other editors (besides me) and 2. avoid posting anything that might be construed as outing. Other than that, you may freely tell me that some guideline is a "fucking pain in the goddamned ass", or that my work was "a fucking pile of goddamn shit" - personal attacks don't bother me

Good. Cos your fucking threats on my fucking page about fucking blocking me are beginning to fuck me right off. Now, stay off my page.

BFD 87.232.1.48 (talk) 19:42, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for proving my point; I can understand why BabbaQ found you such a pain. Tell your coworkers they have my deepest sympathies. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 00:26, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

I came here to ask you something but was totally surprised too see that you got a piece of the IPs wrath. I do apologize for dragging you into this mess.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:37, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Satpal Maharaj

Another chance for you to prove yourself.MOMENTO (talk) 23:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Blade, in this case momento is right, somebody is "whitewashing" Satpal Maharajs article, deleting material and reinstating his view of the subject, without commenting on the talkpage, though he was asked to do so on his IP talkpage. 87.123.97.214 (talk) 05:44, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC Reviewer permission

You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC Reviewer permission. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:19, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Asaram Bapu

The article Asaram Bapu is facing series of issues. There are many threads at Asaram Bapu talk page. You have at least once shown your experience with WikiProject India disputes. See if you can do something here (I mean the talk page posts). --Tito☸Dutta 04:27, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Block needed

See the end of this of the right column of this , then (if you like) that editor's contribs and Talk. He needs another block longer than the 6 months he got last time. EEng (talk) 05:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. Blocked for a year. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 11:15, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Good. Now back to the salt mines with you. EEng (talk) 13:14, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Takes Brooklyn! Saturday September 7

Please join Misplaced Pages Takes Brooklyn scavenger hunt on September 7, 2013! Everyone gather at the Brooklyn Public Library to further Misplaced Pages's coverage of— photos and articles related to Brooklyn, its neighborhoods and the local landmarks. --EdwardsBot (talk)

Gage again

Not too long back I asked for your help with Phineas Gage, but you misunderstood what I was asking for. What I knew would happen sooner or later is this, and I could really use an unbiased eye to comment -- someone who doesn't object to something just because it's different from what's usually seen, or based on mindless application of MOS. Of course, you may very well object (or endorse) on the merits of the thing itself, in which case by all means say so. This will take some time on your part, and I know you're busy, but I keep trying to get others involved but can't. So if you could find it in your heart... EEng (talk) 03:04, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey, sorry I haven't been responsive; very pressed for time of late. I'll have a look over it tomorrow, when I know I'll have some time. Hope I can be of some use. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:10, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Every two years, as best I can tell, the powers that be list the article in On this day for Sept. 13 (the anniversary of the accident). In 2009 there were 23,000 views, in 2011 55,000. With all that exposure at least a few MOS hawks and layout knowitalls are bound to latch on. I don't expect you to enter the fray if you don't want, but I'd like to know, in advance, how your fresh eyes see things, and fix things if I can, or at least know what someone other than me thinks. EEng (talk) 09:23, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

The Wonderman

Could you perhaps restore The Wonderman, this time as a redirect to Count of St. Germain? JMK (talk) 11:11, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Alexis_Reich#Requested_move_16_September_2013

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Alexis_Reich#Requested_move_16_September_2013. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:23, 16 September 2013 (UTC)Template:Z48

Wikimedia NYC Meetup! Saturday October 5

Please join the Wikimedia NYC Meetup on October 5, 2013! Everyone gather at Jefferson Market Library to further Misplaced Pages's local outreach for education, museums, libraries and planning WikiConference USA. --Pharos (talk) 21:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Kana

Hello, I am writing to ask about certain wording that you added (e.g. 1 and 2) to the intro paragraphs of the five articles on the R-series kana (Ra, Ri, Ru, Re, Ro). Is there any reason to say "In the Ainu language, Japanese linguists invented/developed a small katakana … that is used to represent…" instead of "The Ainu language uses a small katakana … to represent…"? Specifically, do you know any source for the "Japanese linguists invented" part? If that fact is true, is there a reason to state it in the article as opposed to the latter wording, which is shorter and sounds better to me? Just curious. Thanks in advance. Hftf (talk) 02:38, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

It's been a while since I've edited those articles, but as I recall I came up with the shorter wording because the longer sounded really verbose; I must have forgotten to clean up after myself, as that was around the same time I started running into the kana vandal. You can change it as you see fit. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:42, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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