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Biography
Does anyone else think the "Biography" is a bit much? I mean, The Simpsons has never put much effort into continuity until lately, so most of the references to his past are in blatant contradiction of each other. For instance, how could he have been America's "richest and therefore most trustworthy citizen" at the end of WWII in the one where he steals the trillion dollar bill, and yet, not long before, desire to become "rich as Nazis" in the one with the Flying Hellfish? elvenscout742
Well, it's been well established that Mr. Burns got his fortune from inheriting it from the loveless billionaire who raised him. He could well have served in WWII, got caught up in the excitement of the moment with regard to the treasure, and shortly after the discovery of the loot by the Flying Hellfish but before the end of the war that Billionaire died leaving him the Burns Business Empire. His line about building shells for the Nazis probably therefore referred not to his personal actions, but to the business he inherited and in later years sees it as all the same. The only real problem with this is that Mr. Burns would have been 53 during the fall of Nazi Germany (going by the 1892 estimated date of birth), and that would have made him a little old to be a frontline infantryman, one would imagine that Monty Burns's war would have been World War I, which he would have only been 22 at the outbreak of the war, although references to that war wouldn't carry anywhere near the entertainment value to a modern audience. --Wingsandsword 16:22, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
What the article needs to be more explicit about is the change in Burns' character as the seasons went by. In the early days he was the typical ruthless autocrat, but the modern Burns is more of a senile buffoon, with the humnour coming from his outdated attitudes and pratfalls. This explains such inconsistencies as: "Burns also played golf with Nixon, who moaned to Burns about the Watergate scandal being exposed and fretted about going to prison. This suggests that Mr. Burns can pay close attention to modern events, but only if they interest him." -Again this was from Burns' 'smart era'. Magic Pickle 18:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
- Actually he got "bumped down to private" remeber Bart was curios as to why he was an Infranty himeself.
Name change
This article's name is blatantly incorrect. It should be at either Montgomery Burns or Charles Montgomery Burns. I'd prefer the former. I'm doing a poll to figure out where it should. Do not add new poll options
Poll
- I think this article should be moved to Montgomery Burns
- →Raul654 03:50, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC)
- Not that it matters much, since I assume we'll keep all three redirects. Meelar 03:52, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- I think this article should be moved to Charles Montgomery Burns
- He's called "C. Montgomery Burns" on the show. I guess he's one of those people who doesn't like his first name. (elvenscout742 He's actually called "Mr. Burns". It should be changed to that.)
- He is almost always known as "Mr Burns". That should be the title, according to Misplaced Pages convention. Rd232 20:43, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Burns apperance...
Does anyone else think Burns resembles John D. Rockefeller? This became evident to me when I say a movie with Rockefeller dress up in an old flying suit (goggles, scarf, etc). I want to get a general consensus on this before I add it.
New Mexico
I'm fairly certain it was Homer who was surprised to learn of the New Mexico. It was th'episode where Bart joins the junior campers, and th'only map Homer has is the Krustyburger location map. Looking at it, he announces "ooOOoo, there's a New Mexico." I used t'have the .wav file on my computer, and it's definitely Homer. Still, the Simpsons have recycled jokes ("Call him Poochy, but more proactive!" "So, Poochy good for everyone?" / "We'll call it 'Love Day' except more " "Happy Love Day everyone!") so I can believe Mr. Burns said it too; does someone have an episode whence this notion comes?
- I can't remember the episode, but I can distinctly remember Mr. Burns saying "There's a New Mexico?" in his questioning and accusatory voice. Sahasrahla 10:31, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
- Burns said it in Homer's Odyssey. Rd232 20:45, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Excuse me, but Burns said "There's a New Mexico?" in Homer vs. Dignity. Homer's Odyssey is from the first season.- B-101 14:48, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
- My mistake - I was rushing and thought the article title on that link was the episode name. Rd232 22:40, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Burns' Age
In the episode "Future-Drama" he is 114 years old. Since the characters are still the same age from their 1989 start, that would mean 24 years have passed. Thus with simple math that makes Charles Montgomery Burns 90 years old. My defense for "the episode is non-canon" attack is that while the story may not be canon, time is and no matter how great Mr. Groening is he can't stop time and basic math.--User:71.240.172.121
In regards to his four digit PIN number, it's more likely that the PIN is only three digits, with the fourth entry being 'OK' or 'Enter'. Just my 100,000 cents. --User:206.172.224.137
- Actually, did you not think of the PIN starting with "0" or "00"? ☺ The pathetic APclark Be nice not nasty 18:47, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
On Burns' Age...
ok... let's do this properly, anyone that has a reference for Burns' age, please cite it below... that way we can figure out what to put in the infobox... - Adolphus79 22:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- "Episode title" - age
- "Future-Drama" - 90
Burns' office
In "Homer the Smithers", Burns orders Homer to rotate his office so the window faces the hills. I thought that that line perfectly showed Burns' request for the impossible.- B-101 14:45, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Ahoy-hoy
Not significant enough to go into the article, but I know a number of people who, no doubt influenced by Mr Burns, have started answering the phone in this way. PeteVerdon 14:47, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
- It was, I believe, Alexander Graham Bell's preferred way of doing so. He didn't like the word "hello". But, yes, CMB is doubtless responsible for the renaissance.
Yes, I'd heard that. But I doubt my friends (age 19-24ish) have. PeteVerdon 22:58, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Scottish?
This article is in Category:Fictional Scots. Is Burns Scottish? Any sources for this? Or is it just based on his name? Vclaw 23:18, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
- Apart from his Scottish names (both Montgomery and Burns are famous Scots names) and that he is an obvious caricature of Andrew Carnegie (like Scrooge McDuck), there have been several references in various episodes to Burns' Scottish background, eg pictures of ancestors in kilts in his mansion.--Mais oui! 21:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
- So he has some Scottish ancestry, that doesn't necessarily make him Scottish. Still, you might want to add to add some of the references of his background to the article. And maybe add Carnegie to the "Real life models" section? Vclaw 10:56, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
- I removed it because the category was noticed on a Simpsons forum, and everyone agreed that he wasn't Scottish. As Vclaw says above, he may have Scottish ancestry, but he isn't Scottish himself, and his parents didn't show any signs of being Scottish in a flashback. BillyH 15:17, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
- I think the charge of vandalism may have been because your edit was mistaken for one by a regular vandal who likes to say that a British character actor voices Monty Burns. I've reverted the categorization again because I haven't seen anything to support it: Burns is as much a cariacature of William Randolph Hearst and Howard Hughes as he is of Carnegie and a kilt in the background here or there is insufficient. We've never seen anything unambiguously Scottish in any episode that discusses his backstory(ies); he didn't mention it when he visited Scotland ... there's nothing to merit the categorization. Ben-w 21:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Disambiguation header required?
User:Fred Bradstadt has removed the disambiguation notice:
- For other characters named Burns, see Burns (disambiguation).
He used the rather un-Wikipedian Edit summary: "I don't see the need for a "Burns disambiguation" link on the "Montgomery Burns" page." (Is Misplaced Pages not supposed to be more of a "we" kind of place, rather than an "I" place?)
Anyway, do other editors support this removal, or is a standard disambiguation header a good idea?--Mais oui! 09:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
- Hi Mais oui!
- Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation#When to disambiguate tells us: "Do not disambiguate, or add a link to a disambiguation page, if there is no risk of confusion. Ask yourself: When a reader enters this term and pushes "Go", what article would they realistically be expecting to view as a result? Disambiguation pages are not search indices;". I should have referred here instead of writing the "I don't see..." thing, I guess :-)
- Though there are many ways to end up at this page (redirects Mr. Burns, Mr.Burns, Mr Burns, CM Burns, C M Burns, C. M. Burns, C. Montgomery Burns, C.Montgomery Burns, Charles Montgomery Burns, Monty Burns and disambig page Charles Burns), I still don't find the disambiguation link relevant. I think people who typed "Montgomery Burns" or any of the redirects really wanted to see this page. --Fred Bradstadt 10:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
- Agree with Fred. If someone as looking for a different Burns, they would exlpitly search for that different name. A disambiguation link would only be required if there ere other articles about other people called Montgomery Burns (or the redirects).
- I see nothing wrong in his edit summary. It's accurately descriptive, and civil. The JPS 11:23, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Davros??
Burns tents his fingers simlarly to Davros, eh? Since Davros has (had) only one arm, this is clearly a mistaken analogy and it's got to go. Darcyj 12:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Birthplace
In episode #1706, when asked for his place of birth by the panic room door, Burns enters Pangaea on a keypad... --Wulf 01:14, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I believe he said "Tangiers" to the voice prompt during 1706 but Pangea was already up on this site from months ago so these are two competing birthplaces.
Major Cleanup Required
I think the time has come to create individual pages for the more unwieldy parts of this article, specifically, Mr. Burns' state of mind. This is a running list that clogs up the middle of the article. I propose the new article Montgomery Burns (state of mind) be used to document the list in its entirety, and the section of this main article that was formerly dedicated to this purpose be used in a general way for the casual reader. As Simpsons fans, we should attempt to make Misplaced Pages articles on Simpsons characters general, leaving the more specific information to be expounded upon in separate articles. takethemud 18:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)takethemud
I think something similar to the above suggestion should be carried out for the "Biography" section. It is long and unwieldy and would make an excellent article in-itself. Please see Montgomery Burns (biography) for the new article. Right now it is a duplicate of the Biography section of this article. It would be good, in my opinion, to cut down this biography section to make it readable, coherent, and more concise; then, the new article could be jam packed with every conceivably relevant piece of information on Burns' life. takethemud 18:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)takethemud
- You shouldn't split of sections of a specific aspect of a character. That just makes a mess out of the situation. They aren't all that long and an article can go over the 30kb recommendation without being a problem. Instead, think about reducing the level of detail to shrink the article down. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Real life models
"...with notable similarities to Howard Hughes (for example, during a particular bout of eccentricity, he became paranoid about germs, wore tissue boxes on his feet, collected his urine in jars, and built a model plane which he dubbed the Spruce Moose)..."
Is this not a confusion with the Spruce Goose, the famous (very large and real) aircraft that Hughes built? Tamino 09:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Cuba
He didn't know wwhat had happened in Cuba he completley missed the revolution and the the capitalists were still in charge should we mention this?
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