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Template:Edit warring Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:13, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

April 2014

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Russell Targ. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Recent edit to Russell Targ

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Sources

I noticed your post on BLP about getting your full background posted. Do you have a list of the sources for your laser work, or any sort of record of how much the CIA paid you for your ESP program? If so, I'd be happy to try to add in those citations and see if we can't make your bio more balanced. Anything even remotely related to WP:FRINGE gets WP editors very agitated (something I found out the hard way), but the supremacy of neutral sources will out, in my opinion. Let me know if I can help. The Cap'n (talk) 12:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

Someone insists on putting the very judgmental word "pseudoscience" on the first line of my Wiki bio-page. I do not think this is appropriate. No doubt some people consider anything to do with psychic abilities as pseudoscience, the Parapsychology Association is a full member of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, AAAS. And remote viewing research has been replicated world-wide. Although our work has been criticized by some, it was strongly supported by many branches of the US government for 23 years. Russell Targ, May 10, 2014 <russ at targ dot co>

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There are some potential references listed in the discussions above. Please place proposal on talk page. I hope the article on Russell Targ can be improved. - - MrBill3 (talk) 01:53, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I am attaching some of my laser and electro-optics papers. Papers 1-6 comprise very early early laser papers and key papers later in my laser career.

The ESP program at Stanford Research Institute ran from 1972 to 1995 at a total support level of $25 million.

SELECTED PUBLICATIONS OF RUSSELL TARG

Plasmas, Lasers and Electro-Optics

M. Ettinberg and R. Targ, “Observations of Plasma and Cyclotron Oscillations,” Proc. Symposium on Electronic Waveguides, Polytechnic Institute of Brooklyn, (April, 1958).

R. Targ and L.P. Levine, “Backward Microwave Oscillations in a System Composed of an Enectron beam and Hydrogen Gas,” Journal of Applied Physics, 32, 4, pp. 731-737, (April 1961).

1. P. Rabinowitz, S. Jacobs and R. Targ, "Homodyne Detection of Phase-Modulated Light," Proc. IRE, Vol. 50, No. 11 (November 1962).

2. R. Targ, "Optical Heterodyne Detection of Microwave Modulated Light," Proc. IEEE Correspondence, pp. 303-304 (March 1964).

R. Targ and W.B. Tiffany, "Gain and Saturation on Transverse Flowing He, N2, CO2 Mixtures," Appl. Phys. Letters, Vol. 15, No. 9 (1 November 1969).

W.B. Tiffany and R. Targ, "The Gas-Transport Laser: A New Class of High-Power Electro-Optic Devices," Laser Focus, (September 1969).

3. W.B. Tiffany, J.D. Foster and R. Targ, "Kilowatt CO2 Gas-Transport Laser,"Appl. Phys. Letters, Vol. 15, No. 3 (1969).

R. Targ and M.W. Sasnett, "Xenon-Helium Laser at High Pressure and High Repetition Rate," Appl. Phys. Letters, Vol. 19, No. 12, (15 December 1971).

Fahlen and R. Targ, "High Average Power Xenon Laser," IEEE J. Quant. Elect, Vol. QE-9, No. 6 (1973).

R. Targ, "Pulsed Nitrogen Laser at High Repetition Rate," IEEE J. Quant. Elect.Vol. QE-8, pp. 726-728, (August 1972).

R. Targ and M.W. Sasnett, "High Repetition Rate Xenon Laser with Transverse Excitation," IEEE J. Quant. Elect, Vol. QE-8, pp. 166-169, (February 1972).

4. Russell Targ, Roland Bowles, Michael Kavaya, and R. Milton Huffaker, "Coherent Lidar Airborne Windshear Sensor: Performance Evaluation," APPLIED OPTICS, 20 May 1991. (Cover).

5. James G. Hawley, Russell Targ, Michael Kavaya, Sammy Henderson, and Daniel Moerder, "Coherent Launch-Site Atmospheric Wind Sounder: Theory and Experiment, APPLIED OPTICS, August 21, 1993. (Cover).

6. Russell Targ, Bruce C. Steakley, James G. Hawley, Lawrence L. Ames, Paul Forney, David Swanson, Richard Stone, Robert G. Otto, Vassilis Zarifis, Philip Brockman, Raymond A. Calloway, Paul A. Robinson, and Sarah R. Harrell, "Coherent lidar airborne wind sensor II: flight test results at 2 µm and 10 µm," APPLIED OPTICS, 20 December 1996. (Cover). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.68.105.17 (talk) 04:09, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestions. Some of these papers are now in the article. When I get a chance I will look into the others. What I am looking for is support for their notability. As I am not an expert in the subject so I am not qualified to judge what makes a highly cited paper. It seems that over 75 citations may be a good guideline for papers in the field. Does that sound appropriate? I will see if other editors have some knowledge. I think citations in major textbooks, reviews of the subject or a description when cited that such and such paper is important or similar support inclusion in the article. It would be great if there were a book or article that describes the development of laser/laser research that explicitly describes Targ's contributions/role. I'd like to personally apologize for aggressive editing on the article, let me assure you it was based on advocacy of WP policy. I hope the article is substantially improved giving a fair description of Targ's work. - - MrBill3 (talk) 05:44, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Torgownik I recommend you sign in instead of using your IP 108.68.105.17. Do you have any reliable secondary sources that discuss your laser work i.e. books or papers not published by you. Do any physics textbooks discuss your laser work? If so can you list them? That's the sort of thing which can be used on your article to cite your laser work. So far you have not listed any. We are all well aware that you have published papers on lasers and nobody is trying to suppress this information but the problem is that it has been hard to find sources outside of your own papers that discuss your work in that field. Perhaps you can compile a list on the talk-page of the article. Goblin Face (talk) 20:27, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

May 2014

Your recent editing history at Russell Targ shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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I am not in an edit war. I am responding to an anonymous skeptical reviewer who is thrilled to be able to ignorantly insult and degrade my life's work. How dare he or she put "pseudoscience" on the lead on my Misplaced Pages bio page. Am I in an edit war if I don't agree that reviewers are omnipotently able to write whatever nonsense they want to put under my name? Misplaced Pages is supposed to be an encyclopedia not a soapbox.

Russell Targ. <russtarg at gmail.com.>

I was asked by Wiki for some published ESP references. Because of my very poor vision, I laboriously added them in this morning. Now they have been edited out. I will not do that again. My bio page was on wiki for at least two years without "pseudoscience" Why did that insult and libel become necessary? If you don't like my references, I can tell you what else we were doing. Though I gather you have no interest in facts with regard to what SRI did for our twenty years. Since I see you always delete the fact that we had a 23 year program. Wouldn't a reader find that interesting? its a fact. Here is how we paid the rent: The kind of tasks that kept us in business for twenty-three years are the following: SRI psychics found a downed Russian bomber in Africa, confirmed in a public lecture by Jimmy Carter; reported on the health of American hostages in Iran; described Soviet weapons factories in Siberia; located a kidnapped US general in Italy; and accurately forecasted the failure of a Chinese atomic-bomb test three days before it occurred, etc. When San Francisco heiress Patricia Hearst was abducted from her home in Berkeley, a psychic with the SRI team was the first to identify the kidnapper by name and then accurately describe and locate the kidnap car. We received a commendation from the Berkeley Police Dept. But I realize that if you are convinced that remote viewing doesn't exist, nothing I say could make any difference. Misplaced Pages's bias is becoming inceasinglywell known. You can obviously print anything at all that meets your prejudices. I have no control over that. But as you continue your biased editing, Misplaced Pages will become synonymous with FOX news and other other untrustworthy surces. You get to choose.

Misplaced Pages has a rule against subjects of biographies editing against the editors who are interested in the biography. You have been doing exactly this under your Torgownik account and also under the IP address 108.68.105.17. Many of the edits you have been making are reversions of the edits others have made; this is what Misplaced Pages calls edit warring. I count five instances today:

Revision as of 04:53, May 10, 2014, UTC. Torgownik changed "pseudoscience" to "controversial field".
Revision as of 16:41, May 10, 2014, UTC. Torgownik changed "pseudoscience" to "contentious area".
Revision as of 18:14, May 10, 2014, UTC. 108.68.105.17 changed "pseudoscience" to "considered a the pseudoscience by those who have not read the published papers".
Revision as of 20:46, May 10, 2014, UTC. 108.68.105.17 changed "pseudoscience" to "controversial research area".
Revision as of 23:26, May 10, 2014, UTC. Torgownik changed "pseudoscience" to "highly controversial".

A friendly "talk" comment says (on 5/10) the reason that the page is called "Pseudoscience" is because there are "no scientific references". How about the following which are on the page, plus Robert Jahn from Princeton?. On remote viewing -—; Puthoff, H. (18 October 1974). "Information transfer under conditions of sensory shielding". Letters to Nature. Nature 251: 602–7. doi:10.1038/251602a0.

--;   Puthoff, H.E.; — (March 1976). "A perceptual channel for information transfer over kilometer distances: Historical perspective and recent research". Proceedings of the IEEE 64 (3): 329–54. doi:10.1109/PROC.1976.10113.

--; Rauscher, E.A.; — (20–22 June 2006). "Investigation of a complex space-time metric to describe precognition of the future". AIP Conference Proceedings. Frontiers of Time: Retrocausation - Experiment and Theory 863. San Diego, CA. pp. 121–46. doi:10.1063/1.2388752. and: Robert G. Jahn, "THE PERSISTENT PARADOX OF PSYCHIC PHENOMENA: AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE"

Proc. IEEE,Vol. 70, No. 2, pp. 136-170, February 1982.

If you take a minute or two and glance at the edit-warring noticeboard, you will see that a lot of editors have been blocked for reverting four times in a 24-hour period. If you are blocked you will only be able to edit this user talk page for the account Torgownik, and only for the purpose of asking to be unblocked. You will not be able to edit the page Russell Targ or the talk page Talk:Russell Targ. Of course that is not what you want, so please stick to arguing your case at Talk:Russell Targ rather than changing the word "pseudoscience" one more time against consensus, which will definitely get you blocked. Binksternet (talk) 03:55, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

So, I have to assume that you are not all crazy. If I understand Mr. Binksternet correctly, the Misplaced Pages organization is telling me as the subject of your bio-page, you can say anything whatsoever on my Wiki bio-page, whether it is true or not, or in between. And if I try to change it, then you will block me for engaging in an "edit war." I am asserting that calling my life's work a "pseudoscience" is untrue, libelous, and degrading, especially on the lead line on my biography. Why is that not an obvious, malicious libelous public defamation of my character? Russell Targ. <russtarg at gmail.com.> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.68.105.17 (talk) 04:23, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I find that your definition of pseudoscience exactly corresponds to my understanding of Misplaced Pages's general feeling toward all of parapsychology. Your def. attached to my lead, on the Russell Targ page reads: "The term pseudoscience is often considered inherently pejorative, because it suggests something is being inaccurately or even deceptively portrayed as science." THAT IS WHY I AM REMOVING IT. If you are actually an encyclopedia and not a soap box, you should not be insulting the subject of a bio-page on the lead of the article. That is why it is a libelous accusation. Do you understand? If you are not prepared to Prove that my forty years of work is a deception, which it of course is not, then I suggest you delete your "pseudoscience". Russell Targ. russtarg at gmail.com

Letters to Nature. Nature 251: 602–7. doi:10.1038/251602a0.

-—; Puthoff, H.E.; — (March 1976). "A perceptual channel for information transfer over

kilometer distances: Historical perspective and recent research". Proceedings of the IEEE 64 (3): 329–54. doi:10.1109/PROC.1976.10113.

-—; Rauscher, E.A.; — (20–22 June 2006). "Investigation of a complex space-time metric to describe precognition of the future". AIP Conference Proceedings. Frontiers of Time: Retrocausation - Experiment and Theory 863. San Diego, CA. pp. 121–46. doi:10.1063/1.2388752.

-—; Robert G. Jahn, "THE PERSISTENT PARADOX OF PSYCHIC PHENOMENA: AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE" Proc. IEEE,Vol. 70, No. 2, pp. 136-170, February 1982. Russell Targ. <russtarg at gmail.con.

Wiki asked me to add in some of my published remote viewing references. I did that this morning, at great pain, since I have very poor vision. Within an hour they were entirely edited out. Why would you do that? If refs. are of no interest, I am attaching a brief list of some of the operational remote viewing that paid our rent. The kind of tasks that kept us in business for twenty-three years are the following: And why do you keep editing out the fact that were at SRI for 23 years. Wouldn't a reader find that fact interesting. Or is that too much against the NO ESP grain for you? SRI psychics found a downed Russian bomber in Africa; Confirmed by Jimmy Carter in a public lecture at Emory University, we reported on the health of American hostages in Iran; described Soviet weapons factories in Siberia; located a kidnapped US general in Italy; and accurately forecasted the failure of a Chinese atomic-bomb test three days before it occurred, etc. When San Francisco heiress Patricia Hearst was abducted from her home in Berkeley, a psychic with the SRI team was the first to identify the kidnapper by name and then accurately describe and locate the kidnap car. I was in the police station when Pat Price did that. We received a commendation from the Berkeley police for that work. After two years on Misplaced Pages, who decided that I had to be branded as a pseudo-scientist. Does that help your brand as totally anti parapsychology. Misplaced Pages is getting a reputation for its various biases, and will be up there with FOX news as entertainment rather than information. The world of humanistic psychology and parapsychology can help you accomplish that. You have demonstrated that you have absolute control over Misplaced Pages. I understand that you can put any kind of libelous accusations all over my bio-page, and I have no appeal. But you do not control the rest of the Internet. And I understand that it's not "my" biopage it belongs to the editors who hate ESP. So I surrender to the anonymous editors. Torgownik (talk) 19:17, 11 May 2014 (UTC)Russell Targ. russtarg at gmail.com

I was asked to add remote viewing references. I added them,and they were then erased. Could someone please explain that to me? Torgownik (talk) 20:44, 11 May 2014 (UTC)Russell Targ| russtarg at gmail.com