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Move discussion in progress on 1981 Irish hunger strike

A discussion is taking place in whether the article currently entitled 1981 Irish hunger strike should be renamed.

The discussion is at Talk:1981 Irish hunger strike#Requested_move, where your input will be welcome. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:25, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

The Irish in Boston

Hello. I created an article on the History of the Irish in Boston. It needs to be expanded a lot, but I'm not the most knowledgeable about the subject. Is there anyone who would be interested in improving the article? Thank you. Solar-Wind (talk) 08:51, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Gordan Gallagher

More input would be great for discussing this article Murder of Gordan Gallagher. Fergananim (talk) 21:17, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

GA article being reassessed: Belfast

Belfast was reviewed and listed as a Good Article in March 2007, and last reassessed in Sept 2007. It has been tagged with sourcing concerns since August 2008. I have done a GAR, and I feel that the article doesn't meet current GA criteria. The main contributors have been notified, though are unavailable or not able to do the work at the moment, and there has been no progress. Following the guidelines at Misplaced Pages:Good article reassessment, interested WikiProjects are being contacted as editing assistance may be needed to prevent the article being delisted. See Talk:Belfast/GA1 for more details. SilkTork 21:56, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Several citations are dead and additional citations are needed as well as updating dated statements. I've done some citation work but doubt it is enough, so if you have the time or knowledge, please assist. ww2censor (talk) 14:34, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Request

I've made a very basic start with John Bowe (Irish financier) but would welcome help from any editor more familiar with the business. Is mise, Fergananim (talk) 14:10, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

RfC on Ian Gow

Please direct your attention to Talk:Ian_Gow#The_fully-protected_car_.28or_its_absence.29, where the question is whether the make of Ian Gow's car (the one he got blown up in) is relevant enough to warrant inclusion in the article. There's an ongoing dispute, going on for over three years, and an RfC (that is, you) might could help settle that. Thanks in advance, Drmies (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

"Republic of Ireland" de-capitalisation in running text

Editors are invited to participate in a discussion taking place at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration#.22Republic of Ireland.22 de-capitalisation in running text. All input welcome. Thank you. victor falk 16:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Category:Irish Sinn Féin politicians

Category:Irish Sinn Féin politicians, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for renaming to Category:Sinn Féin politicians (1905–1926). If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:51, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 30/05

Draft:Guerin Report. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 17:37, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Personally, I think that this, John Wilson (Garda), Maurice McCabe and Martin Callinan should all be merged into a single article, named 2014 Garda Síochána controversy or some such. The affair is too small in the general scheme of things to merit four articles. Scolaire (talk) 09:57, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree, merge and redirect the rest. Snappy (talk) 09:48, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

• Merge Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:17, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Ok, whatever seems best for the Project. I guess I should decline and you'll go ahead with the merge? Thanks, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:10, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Is it in order for me to move that article into mainspace, change the title, and then merge the others into it? I don't want to mess with the AfC process. If it's easier, you could just create the article and leave us to do the merging. Scolaire (talk) 08:38, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Oppose. This is an inaccurate use of the merge procedure, coming under the "should be avoided" criterion. Is it possible that all these could have been merged because one person says it's "too small"? Martin Callinan, for instance, was a Garda Commissioner (just like Fachtna Murphy and the others) whose page is much better developed than the rest of them, and includes mention of his long career before 2014. John Wilson has appeared independently on TV, been the subject of documentaries and has had separate involvement/interest in politics to give some examples, all of which covers at least half his page, with virtually no mention of McCabe or Callinan. The only one that could possibly be merged is Guerin Report into Maurice McCabe. The rest are loosely connected at best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.76.150 (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

"Just like Fachtna Murphy and the others" is a tad misleading. There is only a handful of articles on Garda Commissioners, the majority of them on early commissioners, such as Eoin O'Duffy, Eamon Broy and Michael Staines, who were notable for things other than merely being commissioners. The Callinan article was only created when the whistle-blowing affair hit the headlines. Merely being involved in some high-profile cases does not make him otherwise notable. John Wilson is notable only for his involvement in the affair. That RTÉ did a programme on him does not alter that fact. Every one of the four articles owe their existence to the one affair, and none of them would have been created but for it. The affair is big news in Ireland right now, but not internationally, and it will be forgotten in a few years time. It just about merits one article; the others can be trimmed to the relevant bits and merged in. Scolaire (talk) 23:03, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Fachtna Murphy's predecessor Noel Conroy was not an early commissioner either. All three mentioned here pass GNG. A large proportion of Wilson isn't even directly about the "affair" and Callinan was commissioner for years before 2014 so how can he be merged into an article about a 2014 event? As for "not internationally" this and this show some international interest. "It will be forgotten in a few years time" is speculation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.76.150 (talk) 21:27, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Noel Conroy has a tag saying "The topic of this article may not meet Misplaced Pages's general notability guideline" – the very first edit after the article was created in 2009! I don't know who you think you're fooling: we can see these things with a single mouse click. Murphy's article is not so tagged...yet. I think it ought to be. Before Conroy, how many articles on post-1940 commissioners can you count?

A large part of Wilson's article and a large part of Callinan's article are not about the affair, and those large parts are mostly unencylopaedic. What is relevant can be retained when they are merged.

I didn't say that there was no interest in Britain or elsewhere, I said it is not big news there. And if you want to quote policy, WP:RECENTISM is far more relevant than WP:CRYSTAL. After all, I'm not proposing to say in any article whether it will still be news in a few years' time.

And please learn to sign your posts by putting four tildes (~~~~) at the end. Scolaire (talk) 23:16, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

• I'd expect such a Merge would result in a single 33,069 or so byte article which seems entirely reasonable to me. — {{U|Technical 13}} 20:59, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Move of Shoot-to-kill policy in Northern Ireland to Alleged Shoot-to-kill policy in Northern Ireland

This move is being discussed at the relevant talkpage. Murry1975 (talk) 22:34, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia Ireland

Folks,

Just to let you know, there is renewed energy in Wikimedia Ireland following the success of the Battle of Clontarf editathon. We are planning to take part in the Wiki Loves Monuments competition and are on the look out opportunities for a few more editathons.

The medium term plan organisationally is to set up as a Wikimedia Foundation recognised user group. That will give access to funding.

More info here. --Tóraí (talk) 22:38, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

If the mrs lets me ;) Murry1975 (talk) 22:42, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Encourage her to get involved. This is very much about raising the profile of Misplaced Pages and the associated projects in Ireland and getting new editors on board. RashersTierney (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Alas poor North Tipperary! I knew him well Horatio.

We have categories for entities that expired many centuries ago: empires, countries, provinces. North Tipperary, of blessed memory, is not yet cold in the grave when it has been consigned to the oblivion that is re-direct. Mr. ODEA has been busy de-populating and redirecting articles and categories away from North Tipperary. Is this in order? Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:31, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

To confess, I too have been doing my bit to bury North Tipperary; mostly references to locations of towns but I think O'Dea goes too far. For example, he redirected the 'Local councillors in North Tipperary' to 'Local councillors in County Tipperary', and did the same with South Tipp. The North Tipp councillors category is a historic one, a record of those who served on North Tipp County Council, and it should be restored. Category:Councillors of Dublin County Council is an example of a category for members of a former local government entity. On the other hand, many other North Tipperary categories like Rivers, Lakes, Mountains, Strip clubs etc., that you created LL, will get my vote to be upmerged. Snappy (talk) 22:54, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

It would have been good manners if Laurel Lodged had done me the courtesy of alerting me to the fact that my actions were being discussed; I stumbled upon this discussion by accident. And why "mister"? I have never declared a gender. I merged the north and south counties following the coming-into-effect of legislation on 3 June 2014 amalgamating the two counties, which no longer exist. It was a large, repetitive job of about 680 edits (you're welcome) but I can correct any mistakes brought to my attention. Further, even more tedious, work remains to be done fixing references in articles to the former counties, as alluded to by Snappy. That is an even bigger task, unless we can find someone who can write a script to do it. I was thinking since yesterday of writing a note here to inquire if anyone knows how to find one of these coders. Does anyone know? — O'Dea (talk) 14:53, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Forgive my discourtesy O'Dea, though it's rather mild by comparison to the ravaging of NT and ST at your hands. Snappy is right - though his interpretation is at the very mildest end of the scale in my view. All of NT is now historic but that's no reason to hide its brief but glorious flowering. Thehunt for a coder may be a god idea, though not to continue the de-population but instead to undo the devastation. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:45, 5 June 2014 (UTC)