Misplaced Pages

User talk:Zambelo

Article snapshot taken from Wikipedia with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Milliongoldcoinpoint (talk | contribs) at 15:49, 28 June 2014 (→You removed a sourced edit without explanation: new section). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Revision as of 15:49, 28 June 2014 by Milliongoldcoinpoint (talk | contribs) (→You removed a sourced edit without explanation: new section)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)

Automatic invitation to visit WP:Teahouse sent by HostBot

Teahouse logo

Hi Zambelo! Thanks for contributing to Misplaced Pages.
Be our guest at the Teahouse! The Teahouse is a friendly space where new editors can ask questions about contributing to Misplaced Pages and get help from peers and experienced editors. I hope to see you there! SarahStierch (I'm a Teahouse host)

Visit the TeahouseThis message was delivered automatically by your robot friend, HostBot (talk) 20:40, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hello, Zambelo, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions.

I notice that one of the first articles you edited appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

To reduce the chances of your contributions being undone, you might like to draft your revised article before submission, and then ask me or any other editor to proofread it. See our help page on userspace drafts for more details. If the page you created has already been deleted from Misplaced Pages, but you want to save the content from it to use for that draft, don't hesitate to ask anyone from this list and they will copy it to your user page.

One firm rule we do have in connection with conflicts of interest is that accounts used by more than one person will unfortunately be blocked from editing. Misplaced Pages generally does not allow editors to have usernames which imply that the account belongs to a company or corporation. If you have a username like this, you should request a change of username or create a new account. (A name that identifies the user as an individual within a given organization may be OK.)

Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Misplaced Pages:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{help me}} before the question. Again, welcome! Coffeepusher (talk) 16:04, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Coffeepusher, and thanks for the welcome - I don't have a conflict of interest, just an interest in maintaining and representing both sides of the issue; I hadn't paid close attention to what you were reverting (poorly referenced material), so I reverted, looking closer those paragraphs definitely don't belong.

Zambelo (talk) 22:05, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Criticism edit on Steven Hassan

Howdy Zambelo. I had to revert your edit to Steven Hassan because the source fails wikipedia's sourcing guidelines. Especially in biographies of living persons we have to be careful that anything critical of the individual is properly sourced and would stand up to scrutiny. While I do understand that the criticism came from a certified counselor, the sourcing guidelines require that it comes from a peer/editor reviewed source and blogs/self published web pages don't qualify. I'm sorry for the confusion. Cheers! Coffeepusher (talk) 22:18, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for November 18

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Misplaced Pages appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Union nationale des associations de défense des familles et de l'individu, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages The Family and CCMM (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:23, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Your vandalism in Jim Jones article

Why you removed link to O'Connor?. Stop it please.190.79.153.106 (talk) 14:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

forgive the intrusion Zambelo, but your friend has incorrectly identified your edit as vandalism, and I think the mistake should be noted. Your friend should be careful not to call something vandalism which is obviously not vandalism. I agree that the source identified, O'Connor (2009) doesn't contain the quote, so your friend should probably find a better source for the statement. Cheers! Coffeepusher (talk) 15:25, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Blanking of cited material

Please stop blanking cited statements in articles. You have not demonstrated consensus for amending or excluding cited information prior to unilaterally removing. Including referenced material is much more constructive than blanking properly cited statements, whichis seen as tendentious. Your absolute distaste for Hassan is abundantly clear, however, that need not color your edits or behavior. • Astynax 21:31, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Army report debunks brainwashing of American POW

Hi, Zambelo. The mind control article currently has a section dedicated to an Army report that supposedly debunks the idea that American POWs were brainwashed. I've never been able to verify the existence of this report. I was wondering if you have ever come across it in your research. Thanks, -Nietzsche123 (talk) 22:41, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Nietzsche123, I hadn't, but I do now have access to it, so I can verify it exists. Zambelo (talk) 23:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

I just added below an invitation to Zambello to comment on a quote he took from the report, and noticed this. The paper version of the report can be found in federal depository libraries; the one I read came from the University of Virginia law library. Pleased that Zambello found an online version. In future perhaps questions about citations may best be addressed on the talk page for the article in question? ElijahBosley 20:46, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for December 17

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Misplaced Pages appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Cult Awareness Network, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Patricia Ryan (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:24, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Mind control talk page

I added a question about some text I believe you may have added to the mind control page, regarding a quote out of an army report. I left the text in the article, despite my reservations about whether it breaks up the flow of the paragraphs where it has been interjected. I thought you might first like to weigh in.ElijahBosley 20:40, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Merge?

Hi Zambelo. I've suggested merging Exit counseling into Deprogramming since it seems to be mainly notable as a sub-type of that. You are one of the few people still involved with the article. Kitfoxxe (talk) 05:10, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 7

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Misplaced Pages appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Exit counseling, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page David Clark (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Category:Cult related terms and concepts

Hi Zambelo. I would appreciate your input as a concerned editor at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 January 6#Category:Cult related terms and concepts. HelenOnline 18:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder

I will not dispute your objection to "suspect" (although a mere say-so on a hostile website hardly balances out a research paper), but in any event I moved the material back to the footnote because it duplicates something already mentioned in the section and there is consensus for the section to be pruned. Thanks Ridiculus mus (talk) 01:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

February 2014

Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that your edit to Galen Kelly may have broken the syntax by modifying 1 ""s. If you have, don't worry: just edit the page again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on my operator's talk page.

List of unpaired brackets remaining on the page:
  • ''Galen Kelley'' in newspaper articles) is a ] and ]-associated<ref>Davis, D. and B. Hankins. 2003. New Religious Movements and Religious Liberty in
  • CO0593AB.TXT Cleared once, man faces second kidnapping charge], Washington Times, March 6, 1993]</ref>

Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 07:59, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Formal mediation has been requested

The Mediation Committee has received a request for formal mediation of the dispute relating to "Waco siege". As an editor concerned in this dispute, you are invited to participate in the mediation. Mediation is a voluntary process which resolves a dispute over article content by facilitation, consensus-building, and compromise among the involved editors. After reviewing the request page, the formal mediation policy, and the guide to formal mediation, please indicate in the "party agreement" section whether you agree to participate. Because requests must be responded to by the Mediation Committee within seven days, please respond to the request by 28 February 2014.

Discussion relating to the mediation request is welcome at the case talk page. Thank you.
Message delivered by MediationBot (talk) on behalf of the Mediation Committee. 02:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Request for mediation rejected

The request for formal mediation concerning Waco siege, to which you were listed as a party, has been declined. To read an explanation by the Mediation Committee for the rejection of this request, see the mediation request page, which will be deleted by an administrator after a reasonable time. Please direct questions relating to this request to the Chairman of the Committee, or to the mailing list. For more information on forms of dispute resolution, other than formal mediation, that are available, see Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution.

For the Mediation Committee, User:Sunray (talk) 21:35, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
(Delivered by MediationBot, on behalf of the Mediation Committee.)

Disambiguation link notification for March 10

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Misplaced Pages appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Recovery from Cults, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages David Clark and William Goldberg (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:07, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Your RfC

Your RfC about the Waco siege failed. It wasn't even formatted properly. Your request for mediation failed. There was no consensus for this version you keep trying to force into the article. Who else supports the version you're putting in? You're clearly not being honest with yourself. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

The RFC was more in regards to your behaviour, mischaracterisations and general lack of good faith. It failed because I hadn't formatted it correctly, and it therefore lacked visibility. The content has been changed since the original implementation, and has also moved to another section. You have yet to bring a valid reason for the content not to be in the article, despite it being relevant and referenced with high quality references. If you want to content gone, the onus is on you to prove that it has no place in the article. Until then, academic, media and state sources say otherwise. Zambelo; talk 01:06, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

  • And there is your problem. RfC aren't for that purpose. I will ask one more time: Who else is supporting this version? Be specific. You claim there is support. Who is it? Niteshift36 (talk) 01:25, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

The references speak for themselves. The onus is on you to disprove the content. Zambelo; talk 01:38, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

  • No, you've claimed that you have consensus and that "others" have assisted in creating this version. I will ask for the last time who else agreed to this version. And yes, your refusal (inability) to provide that answer will be used at the appropriate noticeboard. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:23, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Look at the article history. Good luck with the appropriate noticeboard. Zambelo; talk 07:27, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

  • The edit history doesn't establish a consensus. The matter was discussed. A couple of people expressed a position that possibly a sentence or two could be included. Some not at all. Nobody supported all the material you're forcing in. Nobody. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:18, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Well certainly not you. The fact is the RFC failed because of visibility. More input is needed - but the fact remains that the content is relevant, is referenced, and if you want to dispute it you should really provide a real reason, which you have failed time and time again to provide. The responsibility lies with you to discover why, if at all, the content doesn't belong in the article. If you really want the content gone, then please do post this to the appropriate noticeboard, I would love to see this resolved, one way or the other. In the meantime, the content stays. Zambelo; talk 01:43, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

  • No, challenged content doesn't "stay in the meantime". The fact that you say more input is needed is evidence that there is no consensus. Don't link to essays about ownership when you are exhibiting ownership issues in your edits. I can show editors that do NOT agree with the version you're forcing into the article. You can't show anyone supporting it. Guess who is trying playing the ownership game friend? Niteshift36 (talk) 12:08, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

More input is needed, because you have refused to give any reasonable reason for verifiable, referenced and relevant content to be removed. You in fact offered no input on how it could be improved, and immediately sought to have the content removed. Again, the onus is on you to show the content doesn't belong. Zambelo; talk 12:34, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

The only input given was that the content didn't belong in the prelude. Guess what? It is no longer in the prelude. Earlier input saying the content was too long was also implemented. It seems only you have refused input, aggressively and sarcastically dismissing the input from Woodshed, and refusing mediation. This while still not giving any reason for the content to be removed. Zambelo; talk 20:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

May 2014

Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that your edit to United Methodist Church may have broken the syntax by modifying 2 "{}"s. If you have, don't worry: just edit the page again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on my operator's talk page.

List of unpaired brackets remaining on the page:
  • *Opening Prayer}}
  • *The Lessons (Old Testament / The Psalm / The Epistle / The Gospel

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 02:50, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, have a bubble tea on me!

MrBill3 (talk) has given you a bubble tea! Bubble teas promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a bubble tea, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy drinking!

Thank you for your contributions to Sahaja Yoga. I appreciate your collaboration, it can be difficult to work together when editors have different opinions. You have engaged on the talk page in a collaborative manner with thoughtful and WP:CIVIL contributions. Your courtesy and respect are appreciated. I hope my posts have been well received, while I am an ardent advocate of my stance I do strive to be civil and constructive. I want to acknowledge not only your engagement on the talk page but also your extensive work on the article. I know thoughtful editing on WP takes a great deal of work and you have put in quite a bit. The article is much better thanks to your contributions.

Spread the awesomeness of bubble teas by adding {{Bubble tea}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message!

- - MrBill3 (talk) 09:48, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for May 28

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Misplaced Pages appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Evangelical Ministries to New Religions, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Gordon Lewis (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:00, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

June 2014

Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that your edit to Steven Hassan may have broken the syntax by modifying 1 "<>"s. If you have, don't worry: just edit the page again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on my operator's talk page.

List of unpaired brackets remaining on the page(Click show ⇨)
  • | spouse = Aureet Bar-Yam -->
  • com/stevehassan/presskit/articles/barker.htm Church Times] (UK) 23 November 1990 p. 13]</ref> She expressed several concerns but nevertheless recommended the book. The book has been
  • recommended the book. The book has been reviewed in the ''American Journal of Psychiatry''{{fact}}} and in the ''The Lancet''{{fact}} and has been favorably reviewed by ]{{fact}}

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that your edit to Albion may have broken the syntax by modifying 2 ""s. If you have, don't worry: just edit the page again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on my operator's talk page.

List of unpaired brackets remaining on the page:
  • [[File:William Blake - Albion Rose - from A Large Book of Designs 1793-6.jpg|thumb|right|In [[William

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 06:34, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mike Kropveld

The article Mike Kropveld has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Misplaced Pages policy, this newly created biography of a living person will be deleted unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. — ASCII-002 I Online 11:14, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for June 16

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Misplaced Pages appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Mind control, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page David Bromley (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 08:56, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Mind control ref edit

Hi Zambelo. You seem to have added a 'malformed' ref. See the diff here and look at the Lingua Franca ref, № 39 in the references section. You gave no edit summary to describe what you did at all.
  • The ref you added had no title. It also had "title={{cite web |url= |title=", that's an extraneous "{{cite web", "|url=" and "|title =".
  • Archived sources also require some extra fields such as 'archivedate=', and 'archiveurl=', as well as the standard 'url='.
The full ref now, looks like this:
<ref name="linfran">{{cite web |last1=Allen |first1=Charlotte |title=BRAINWASHED! SCHOLARS OF CULTS ACCUSE EACH OTHER OF BAD FAITH |url=http://linguafranca.com/9812/allen.html |archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20001203192600/ http://linguafranca.com/9812/allen.html |website=Lingua Franca |archivedate=2000-12-03 |date=December 1998 |publisher=linguafranca.com |accessdate=2014-06-16}}</ref>
This diff here (past Line 44:) shows the changes required for the ref to 'work' properly. Just FYI. :-) --220 of 13:33, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Men's rights movement probation sanctions notice

Information icon Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia! In case you are not already aware, an article to which you have recently contributed, Men's rights movement, is on article probation. A detailed description of the terms of article probation may be found at Talk:Men's rights movement/Article probation. Also note that the terms of some article probations extend to related articles and their associated talk pages.

The above is a templated message. Please accept it as a routine friendly notice, not as a claim that there is necessarily any problem with your edits. Thank you. -- Bbb23 (talk) 15:28, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 22 June

Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that an edit performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. It is as follows:

Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:27, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Please respond at WP:BNA

Hey, I left a question for you at BNA, Sadads (talk) 15:53, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

You removed a sourced edit without explanation

Hello, you removed this edit without explanation. This can be seen as vandalism. Please explain on the talk pages and in the edit summary next time. Milliongoldcoinpoint (talk) 15:49, 28 June 2014 (UTC)