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Proposed deletion of The Hunt (1963 film)

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Tokyo Story edit

I reverted your edit because it doesn't make sense, and I cannot see what you meant to say clearly enough to rewrite it, in particular this part: "Stanley Kaufman Ozu's direction, stating that ..." If you want to put it back it would be OK, but please proofread that statement since it doesn't make sense as it stands. JoshuSasori (talk) 00:36, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	Thanks for your contributions in helping Greed (film) to become a Good Article. I notice you still have a redlinked user page. Maybe this will give you a proper start to filling it in! Khazar2 (talk) 02:49, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

L'Atalante

I've started a discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Film#Cast in foreign films. I'm puzzled. How is "the peddler" more of a proper name than "le camelot"? Clarityfiend (talk) 00:23, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

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Season's tidings!

To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:02, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Bibliographic rules

Thanks for your note: Nearly all bibliographic and citation style guides employed in creating citations use a standard format in their "tracings" or line entries. In general, the abbreviations that are used include: p. or pp. which stand for "page" and "pages, multiple pages or range of pages", respectively. Note: pg. is the abbreviation for "paragraph" and pp without the period is used by editors for revisions or correcting text and stands for "use the standard verb form". If you cite sources in APA, Chicago, Harvard or MLA format, the specific requirements are to write "pp." for "pages". If you would like to learn more about their formats just search on google.com for APA format or MLA format, the two most common style guides in "the outside world".

As to the reasoning behind the use of bibliographic protocols, Misplaced Pages is mainly created by the efforts of countless editors worldwide. One of the first concerns was that in order to maintain professional standards in writing and research, assistance had to be provided to editors who did not have a background in academic or research writing. The "templates" were offered as a means of helping non-professionals in complex tasks. Citations in bibliographic format are difficult to cite for most editors in Misplaced Pages and the templates offer a solution. They are guides not policy and are useful up to a point but even now, there are many errors in their format and the use of templates brings in a question as to which style guide is being followed. As an author and a 30-year+ librarian, I have been exposed to many differing styles and formats. Most publishing style guides utilize the MLA (The Modern Language Association) Style for identifying research sources. The very simple form of this style is the tried and true: "Author. 'Title.' Place of publication: Publisher, Date. ISBN: (optional)." The academic or scientific citation style that you have adopted is not generally used in school, public and other libraries. See the following website (one of countless digital aids available) for a primer on this bibliographic standard: <style guides> Many of the Wiki templates are written in a APA (American Psychological Association) style guide which is a simplified format that often is used in university and scholarly works although it is not as widely accepted as the MLA guide.

This is the reference guide you may wish to use: "Formatting of a Misplaced Pages article reference list is a secondary detail, and there is currently no consensus on a precise prescribed citation format in Misplaced Pages." MLA style is the most widely accepted style in the world and certainly is accepted in Misplaced Pages. Since I do Misplaced Pages editing as a diversion from my other work, I tend to spend little time and give articles only a cursory examination. If there is a very minor error such as a misplaced comma, I "tweak" the article and I don't usually elaborate on the change since it will show up in the history note on the article. As for citations, I rely on the MLA (Modern Language Association) style which is the world's most common bibliographic style and one that is accepted by Misplaced Pages. I have been utilizing this citation style in my own writing and in the cataloging that I carried out in my other life as a librarian. I know that the standard today for library cataloging is to simply download an entire MARC (MAchine Readable Cataloging) record from an established library but I continued to be a curmudgeon and relied on "scratch" editing which I still apply to Misplaced Pages work today. Basically it follows the old format of: Author. Title. Place of Publication: Publisher, Date of publication (with variations to satisfy ordering and researching stipulations, usually ended by including an ISBN (international standard book number) and at times, page references). There are some subtle variations of the MLA style to facilitate multiple authors, articles, multimedia and other questions. Sorry for being verbose but I will make a point of stopping to clarify some of my edits but when it's merely a spelling, sentence or grammatical error, I will still give it a "tweak."

Let me further explain my use of references. I am a former librarian with 33 years experience in cataloguing reference materials, and I tend to revert to use "scratch" cataloging whenever I am working in Misplaced Pages. The format chosen for the majority of templates for citations and bibliographies is the American Psychiatric Association (APA) style guide which is one of the most used formats for research works. The most commonly used style guide in editing, however, is the Modern Language Association (MLA) which is the style guide I tend to use.

Templates are not mandated in Misplaced Pages and many editors use full edit cataloging or scratch cataloging since it does away with the variances in some of the templates extant. As a matter of form, a number of articles have also utilized the Harvard Citation style guide as a link to the bibliographical reference. The actual format that I have used is to provide full cataloging in MLA style for a citation if it only appears once in the text as a quote or note and if more than one instance, then Harvard Citation is placed inline and a full bibliographical MLA record is provided in "References." The references area is kind of a catch-all in that it can often incorporate endnotes and footnotes if there are only a few citations. Many editors prefer to provide a "Notes" and "References" section. It is presumed that if entries are made in the references list that the reference source is used for corroboration in writing the article. In some instances wherein an editor identifies a useful source of information that was not part of the research, then a "Further Reading" section can be established. In most Wiki articles I edit, any instances of two different citation styles were reconciled by the use of Harvard Citation style while all other sources were set forth in MLA style in the references section. There is no need to re-do an MLA entry into a APA style, in fact, it is most often preferable not to mix formats or style guides for consistency and readability.

I know that your eyes have probably glazed over long ago, but that is the rationale behind my editing. The "true style" is actually to use one consistent style guide (I choose the MLA as it is the standard worldwide for research articles) and adapt it when needed. As to the exact citation in question, it should have been written in the traditional "Author. "Title". Place of publication: Publisher, year." convention but being adapted to an electronic/digital source of information. The following entries are written in both full-text and citation templates in MLA format:

• Cook, David A. The History of Narrative Film. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, Third Edition, 1996. ISBN 978-0-39395-553-8.
• Wakeman, John. World Film Directors, Volume 1, 1890–1945. New York: The H. W. Wilson Company, 1987. ISBN 978-0-82420-757-1.

(Note the placement of author, title, publication information and the juxtaposition of the date in order to site date of publication with the publisher.) The same enties written in APA format:

• Cook, David A. (1996). The History of Narrative Film Third Edition. New York: W.W. Norton & Company. ISBN 978-0-39395-553-8.
• Wakeman, John (1987). World Film Directors, Volume 1, 1890–1945. New York: The H. W. Wilson Company. ISBN 978-0-82420-757-1.

(Note the placement of author, title, publication information and the juxtaposition of the date in order to site date of publication with the author. This is one of the failings of the citation templates as they do not allow proper output of second and other authors, cannot accommodate multiple years of publication or allow any incidental notes such as separate section authors as in anthologies.) FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:02, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

After taking a cursory look at Greed (film), you might want to ask some more questions on other aspects of bibliographic notations, as there are some standard rules that are found in all style guides, that you may not be familiar with (sorry for the tortured syntax). FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:17, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Greed

Hello Deoliveirafan, i have had another look at the article. Some additional points and suggestions to consider:

• The plot description seems too detailed, both in the lead and the main article body. For the lead aim for a very broad, general summary - just 1-2 sentences to describe the movie's topic and main plot should suffice. Try to trim the main plot section a little bit more. Especially check every detail and side-event of the story - does the reader need this detail to understand the overall plot? If not, that detail should probably be trimmed or even removed, if it adds nothing essential.
• Avoid too emotional terms like "holy grail" and "hate", replace them with more encyclopedic, neutral terms.
• "bête humaine" - could this term be explained, maybe in parentheses, for the ignorant reader (like me)?
• Quotes and possibly contentious statements need immediate citation, even in the lead., for example:
  • "Greed is unique due to its original, unreleased version being as famous (if not more so) than the existing released version." - strong, somewhat subjective statement could use a citation. Who makes this judgement?
  • "Von Stroheim called Greed his most fully realized work and was hurt both professionally and personally by the film's re-editing." needs citation (especially the "personal" part).
• "Thalberg and von Stroheim had fought over the production of Merry-Go-Round a few years earlier at Universal Pictures, which had resulted in the unprecedented decision of Thalberg to fire von Stroheim—asserting the authority of the producer over the director for the first time in Hollywood culture." is far too detailed and slightly out of focus for the lead. Briefly mention, that the two had some "history" in the past, but leave the details to the main article body.
• In section "Editing" the detailed "reel" explanation as separate box is distracting (and not really part of the main text). Suggestion: use the template:efn to create an explanatory footnote (which are usually placed before the list of citations).

I am not really that knowledgable about cinematic history, but hopefully those points will be helpful. You might want to contact WP:WikiProject Film and start a peer review. There is already a lot of great content in the article and you had some very helpful suggestions on talk, but i think the article could use even more input from other subject experts to progress before FA. Nice work so far, i enjoyed reading the article. GermanJoe (talk) 15:34, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Peer review on Ugetsu

I've submitted Ugetsu for peer review in hopes of improving the article. Hope to see you there. JoshuSasori (talk) 04:28, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

• I rented the Criterion DVD last week (before I even noticed all the recent edits) and have been planning on adding content from it soon. Its a tough one though and the one biography of Mizoguchi that I had at my disposal was scarce on info about the actual production.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 17:50, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Manoel de Oliveira

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Stanley Donen

I've begun the review for Stanley Donen; it looks quite strong overall, but I listed a few concerns at the review page. Thanks for your work on this, and I'll look forward to your thoughts. -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:15, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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		For your hard work to bring Stanley Donen to Good Article status. Thanks for all that you do! -- Khazar2 (talk) 20:34, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

On Greed

I wonder why the FAC is not generating response (of any kind)! The article is quite interesting. Did you notify the film wikiproject?--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:20, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I hadn't and now its archived. I'm not sure what that means.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 02:12, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

That probably means it is archived with no results due to lack of reviewers. I think you can probably renominate very soon in such cases. You can ask the fac delegate.--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:55, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

again I think you should notify on the talk page of wikiproject film.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:02, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Bringing Up Baby

Hello, Deoliveirafan. This is a courtesy notice that the copy edit you requested for Bringing Up Baby at the Guild of Copy Editors requests page is now complete. All feedback welcome! Miniapolis 23:36, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Chimes at Midnight

Hi Deoliveirafan, I'm beginning the copy-edit of the above article you requested at the GOCE Requests page. Please feel free to contact me, or to correct or revert my edits if necessary. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

• Great, thank you. I'm not sure how much farther it can go until Simon Callow releases his final biographical volume in 2015, but I thought it would be nice to make sure it was in great shape in the meantime.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 04:10, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

No worries. I'm not sure the material in the section "Welles and Falstaff" is appropriate for the article, but it's possible that some of the material could form part of a Characters section. Don't forget that this article is about the film, rather than Welles' biography. You might like to read WP:COATRACK—which has advice on keeping the article on topic, and Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Film— which has guidelines about film articles. I hope you find them useful. That said, the copy-edit is done—feel free to contact me about any issues arising from the copy-edit, and good luck with your planned FA nomination (though I'd recommend seeking a WP:Peer review before nominating). Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:25, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Great job. Thank you very much. I'm just going to fix those two "By whom?" tags then I think I'm done with this article for a while. Also, you may have a point about the Welles and Falstaff section, but in my opinion its the most interesting aspect of the film. The entire 30-year project was very personal to Welles and although the film can stand alone without the connections to Welles' personal life, I think its much more interesting with that information in mind.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 00:30, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I'm not a reviewer so I won't argue with you about that section. if the info is relevant that's fine.:-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:45, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Bringing Up Baby copyediting request

Did you submit Bringing Up Baby to the Guild of Copy Editors' Requests page, from an IP address? If so, please see the note I placed there in response. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:24, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Bringing Up Baby

Hi, this has long been on my list to promote to GA. Thanks for the work you put into it, made it much easier for myself to prepare. I see you've opened a peer review. I've given it an edit and trimmed the lead and was about to nominate it was GA before I saw your peer review. I think it's fine for GA now, GA doesn't need masses of critical commentary. OK by you if I nom? I have somebody in mind to review it. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:06, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, sure go ahead. I was just trying to get it yo B standards at the moment but if you think its up to GA all the better. I'd love to see it promoted as well. --Deoliveirafan (talk) 00:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

It should pass GA as it is. Themes and new content from your books would take it towards FA quality. BTW Greed (film) is a great article which offhand looks like we could get it to FA.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:08, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Great. Good luck.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 01:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Do you have access to "According to Robert Chapman's Dictionary of American Slang, the adjective "gay" was used by homosexuals among themselves since at least 1920." I've added the book but can't access the page number.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:46, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

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Re:Greed...

...I would be interested, yes. I'd like to add some more things, though, if that's all right with you; just a few more pictures (one of Gibson Gowland from Blind Husbands, and one of Frank Norris himself), and... well, let me have another look at the article. :-) Stolengood (talk) 02:59, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

L'Atalante

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I was going to leave you my customary {{FA congrats}}, but I see you've added Greed to the pending list already. Good work x 2! Bencherlite 22:53, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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Featured Article Greed To Deoliveirafan Congratulations on gaining FA status for Greed A great job!!♦ ♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:13, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

You do realize...

...how totally absurd it is to accuse me of trying to own The Rules of the Game, when you've made a bazillion serious edits to it lately? In fact, you have made 237 edits to it (37.1% of all edits), while I have made only 66 (10.3%). Looking at it another way, you've added 56,619 bytes to the article (65.4%), while I have added only 1,528 bytes (a mere 1.7%). Given this, for you to accuse me of trying to "own" the article is totally ridiculous, and your attempts to prevent me from editing it my reverting my edit only shows that you are the one with ownership issues.

So, if you ever accuse me of trying to own the article again, I will not respond to you, I will not go to an admin, I will take your attempted ownership of the article directly to AN/I. That's both a warning, and a promise.

So, back off. BMK (talk) 06:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)