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Arabic Habasha is not "modern Arabic" as it is the Classical Arabic name for Ethiopia. It is now not used diplomaticaly or journalisticaly after a systematic campaign by the Ethiopian government in the 1070's to erase all cognates of that word in various languages when refering to the country. I have heard various reasons for this, but the most rational argument is that it refers to the Semitic speakers only. Habashat was the name of a South Arabian tribe. Support for this argument may be found in Encyclopaedia of Islam II. Unfortunately, I do not have a reference supporting my contention, deriving from memory of the event in a newspaper, that there was such a campaign by the Ethiopian government.

Ybgursey (talk) 06:28, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Did you mean 1970's? — አቤል ዳዊት(Janweh64) (talk) 01:29, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

The name Habesha is Amharic (and Tigrinya), and is not offensive. It refers collectively to Ethiopian Semitic speakers. Should be no confusion or uncertainty there now about what it refers to, right? Until 1930 most other countries in their languages had called Ethiopia by cognates of Habesha, such as Abyssinia in English. From the 1930s, Emperor Haile Selassie I argued that what was already the native official name for the country since at least ca. 300, Ethiopia, would also be more appropriate for international usage than the cognates of Habesha, because the name Ethiopia is inclusive of non-Habesha Ethiopians. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 15:34, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

It would be useful to know what the 'indigenous' people(s) called their country. All the names given in the article have been attached from outside. Ancient Egypt, for example, had several different names, but the only name that those who lived in the country gave themselves seems to have been 'people' (rmt). Pamour (talk) 11:41, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

'Useful' to what purpose? What exactly would this information be 'useful' to you for? Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 15:17, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Updating population statistics

The article uses several sources that offer quite different and confusing population statistics, some of which are very hard to verify. Others seem to be estimates and projections. The English-language rolling summary on the Ethiopian Govt's own website, for example, seems to give a total figure from 2007. Overall, such variations are likely to confuse readers. No point in claiming source consistency if there's none, but it's a major article and in this respect at least, could do with a thorough clean-up. I'd offer, but I'm somewhat disadvantaged by my complete ignorance of the Ethiopian script and language... Amharic, I guess... my ignorance is boundless, alas. Haploidavey (talk) 09:22, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Leprosy camp near Mota

In a Hungarian book, there's a report from the year 2000 about a leprosy camp called LC2 (Leprosy Camp 2) "near the lake Tana, above Mota". By that time, it was attempted to be kept secret, guarded by the military. It consisted of three sections, where the patients were sorted according to the progress of their disease. The second section, with more advanced cases was somewhat apart, and the third, with the "faceless people" (final stages), approx. 6-8Km (3,7-4,9Mi) apart from the first, in a depression on a mountain, accessible through a very narrow passage. In the 1990 there were about 2800 patients, in 2000 about 7000. That's all info to be found. Does anyone know about it, or have spotted it on satellite images? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.68.122 (talk) 22:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

The phrase "known to scientists" in the lead

There's a discussion about the phrase "known to scientists" going on Misplaced Pages:NPOVN#Attribution_issue_at_Ethiopia_-_do_we_need_to_say_.22known_to_scientists.22.3F. Comments are welcome –Jérôme (talk) 13:27, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

An incredible argument, indeed. "Known" is surely the stronger term, as "known to scientists" may carry an implication that some non-scientists know something different. Cheers. Collect (talk) 14:58, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Thanks. I don't know why Til decided to pick this to edit war about, maybe it was simply because it was me reverting him, which I did simply because it was so obviously wrong (and pov, although he seems to think he was the one following NPOV). Dougweller (talk) 15:06, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Was Ethiopia previously landlocked?

I don't know all that much about Eritrea, but I know it was considered part of Ethiopia for a while. Now that Eritrea is independent, we know that Ethiopia is definitely a landlocked country, but was it landlocked BEFORE Eritrea became part of Ethiopia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 20:56, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

In general, yes. The Red Sea coastal regions, right down to Somalia, were part of the Ottoman Empire from the 16th century onwards (to at least the mid-19th century I think). Not sure exactly when that ended, but at any rate Ethiopia certainly didn't have any kind of effective control over any area near the coast in the late 19th/early 20th century. 83.254.159.43 (talk) 05:18, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Coordinate error

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—168.187.28.120 (talk) 18:07, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

You haven't explained what you think is erroneous, but I've tweaked the coordinates in the infobox slightly. If you still think that the coordinates need to be corrected, please post a clear explantion of the problem below, including the {{geodata-check}} template, and someone will be along to address your concerns. Deor (talk) 10:17, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Dictatorship, one-party state or an authoritarian democracy

Is Ethiopia a dictatorship, a de facto one-party state or an authoritarian democracy (in the mold of Russia)? --TIAYN (talk) 20:40, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Rastafarianism

Rastafarianism is not a religion of Ethiopia, nor are Rastafarians one of Ethiopia's recognized populations. They are therefore WP:OFFTOPIC in the lede. See the Israel wikipage for the similar Hebrew Israelites, who by contrast do have a notable presence in that country. Middayexpress (talk) 21:55, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Nonsense, there is a significant Rastafari presence in Ethiopia, do not try to sound like an authority on things you are clearly not Binghi Dad (talk) 22:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, and there's a tourist presence too. Neither is sizable or one of the Ethiopian government's recognized local populations. Also, kindly refrain from using anonymous ips. Middayexpress (talk) 22:44, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

It is obvious that you have issues. However wikipedia does not care what your issues are or if you consider Rastafarians (not -ism) something like a tourist movement in your esteemed opinion. Ethiopia is significant as a spiritual homeland to the Rastafari movement and this fact should not be unilaterally and repeatedly censored from the lede by you. Binghi Dad (talk) 22:51, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm aware that Rastafarians claim Ethiopia as their spiritual homeland, just as the Hebrew Israelites claim Jerusalem as their spiritual homeland. That doesn't change the fact that Rastafarians similarly are not one of Ethiopia's officially recognized populations nor is Rastafarianism one of Ethiopia's major religions. Neither have roots in the country, so mentioning them in the lede when not even Ethiopia's own actual populations are is undue. Ironically, you also simultaneously removed historical material on the Kingdom of Aksum (an actual Ethiopian entity) from the Book of Aksum. Middayexpress (talk) 23:22, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

"Nonsense, there is a significant Rastafari presence in Ethiopia", you must be joking. If this community was "significant" as you claim why did you not provide a source? Seeing how "significant" they are it would have been quite easy for you to find one. I would also like to point out how you removed sourced content without a legitimate reason. There is absolutely no reason for such act on Misplaced Pages. AcidSnow (talk)

You must be joking, it is absurdly easy to verify that the Rastafari presence in Ethiopia is significant - and even includes non-immigrants, are you saying you did not know this without a source? That is only why I disputed the edit, nothing to do with Aksum. Binghi Dad (talk) 23:36, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

You have completely missed the point if this discussion. You might want to see WP:VERIFY and WP:UNDUE. As for this, "That is only why I disputed the edit, nothing to do with Aksum", there is no reason to take a dispute out on Misplaced Pages. That is a complete violation of Wikipedias policies. AcidSnow (talk) 23:44, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

The WP:BURDEN is not on us to disprove the allegedly "significant" presence of Rastafarians in Ethiopia, but rather for you to prove it. Regardless of whether or not it was a mistake on your part, you also removed the historical testimony on the Kingdom of Aksum's first capital and builder. Middayexpress (talk) 23:50, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

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