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Robin Williams

Why does Robin Williams' death get a headline, whereas other people who "recently die" do not, and are reserved in the "recent deaths" area at the bottom? JDiala (talk) 07:11, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

The relevant decisions are made at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Candidates. HiLo48 (talk) 07:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

(ec) There was a consensus for a blurb at WP:ITN/C. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:17, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

JDiala - To translate, what you called a headline is what The Rambling Man described as a blurb. HiLo48 (talk) 08:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

JDiala generally those at ITNC decide that based on the level of news coverage, attention, and other factors. Recent deaths is generally for posting the deaths of notable people, while a blurb is given to notable deaths(where the death itself is an event as opposed to just a famous person dying of old age or illness). 331dot (talk) 09:11, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

In Williams case the manor of death received significant attention far beyond simply the fact that he was dead.--67.68.22.129 (talk) 04:25, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, it was big house, but I wouldn't go that far... Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:06, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

This is English Misplaced Pages and it tends to prioritize topics from English speaking areas, including deaths of notable US actors. We posted the death of Philip Seymour Hoffman as a full blurb but we didn't post Paco de Lucia despite massive global coverage. You may call it systemic bias but it's quite logical and above all, it's a matter of consensus. Not a big deal. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 07:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Basically if you're an American and kill yourself, you'll get the full blurb. Lugnuts 06:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Not if you're black and a cop kills you. :p –HTD 17:33, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Touché! --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 06:47, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Maybe, but it was 11 days ago. I'm just a little confused as to why news from 11 days ago is on the main page. That day and the next day, sure. It's not news any longer. Enigma 17:25, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

If you're confused, please engage with the community at WP:ITN where this sort of thing is discussed. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:03, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

As a layout, the juxtaposition of the picture to the blurb at the immediate left looks disjointed. Over the past several days it looks like Williams is either a) part of the Bank of America Settlement, b) victim of a Japanese landslide, or c) really good at chess. Also - what was the math woman's picture taken down and Williams' put back up? Not "celebrity" enough? That'll teach her!

No, her picture was deleted as it was considered a copyright violation. But why let the truth get in the way of a good cynical reaction? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

why is his death still up there? it's been over two weeks now, it's hardly 'news' anymore.

Ferguson riots

Why do not we see Ferguson riots on the main page? Cencorship?212.156.67.30 (talk) 06:05, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Nobody cares? Lugnuts 06:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

It's being discussed here. CaptRik (talk) 07:04, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Regardless of your decision on this, I think the Chess Olympiad has certainly overstayed its run as main item. The championship was held 1–14 August 2014 and today its 21 August, seven days past the event. How is it still staying as our main choice amazes me. Actually nothing significant happened from 14 to now to overtake this chess item in Misplaced Pages? werldwayd (talk) 12:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

News items are placed in chronological order. There is no 'main choice'. If you would like to nominate more recent stories, or comment on which ones should be listed, please go to WP:ITN/C. Modest Genius 15:36, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Heh. The German and French ITNs have this story. The English ITN, presumably the language in Ferguson, doesn't. How on earth. –HTD 15:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well that's because we don't consider the level of coverage of a topic, or how good the article is or isn't, or how much it is in the news anywhere. The only thing that matters is "Is it happening in, or related to, the U.S. in any significant way" If the answer to that question is ever "yes", we're not allowed to post it. It's the unwritten rule of ITN. --Jayron32 03:08, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Where exactly was Robin Williams from, then? Or Lauren Bacall, for that matter. Neljack (talk) 08:24, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Let's just say it'll be much easier to post a 1993 Super Bowl championship from a Los Angeles NFL team to ITN than the 1992 Los Angeles riots. –HTD 13:07, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Being over 20 years old, I doubt either would meet ITN's 'newer than the current oldest item' criterion. Modest Genius 13:30, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Heh. I was going to make a St. Louis Rams example but they suck. A Los Angeles NFL team winning this season's Super Bowl, a sure ITN shoo-in, has a higher chance of happening than that from St. Louis. –HTD 14:28, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

You wrote 1993 Super Bowl, not 2015 Super Bowl. --anon. 71.183.139.60 (talk) 20:20, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I was going to reference the 2015 Super Bowl, but the St. Louis Rams suck. So I used another example of an NFL team in a city where people rioted. I was implying that the 1993 Super Bowl would be easier to post to the English Misplaced Pages ITN now than the events in Ferguson because that's how bad ITN is. People have been ranting elsewhere that there are no ITN events, and Robin Williams stuck too long. Well, they skipped this one and they're still ranting. –HTD 20:38, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, so you should have written Had Misplaced Pages existed in 1992 and a team from Los Angeles won the Super Bowl in 1993... But doesn't a blurb about the Super Bowl appear in ITN every year regardless of which teams played in it? --anon. 71.183.139.60 (talk) 23:55, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm talking about now. Can you imagine how massive it would be if the result of any of the Super Bowls was overturned or vacated? It will be nuts. And yes, it doesn't make sense that the Super Bowl has a free pass while stories like this are shot down. –HTD 03:11, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

☉_☉ --anon. 71.183.139.60 (talk) 08:15, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm too surprised, this was one of the most discussed topics (along with Ukraine, Ebola and Gaza) in the news media in my country in the past week. I was even more surprised when I noticed the disapproving reaction of editors at WP:ITNC and then I found the article What is Ferguson doing on Europe's front pages? by The Economist. The US-centric or Euro-centric attitude plays its role I would say. The Ferguson sad story seems to be stale for WP:ITN now. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:21, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Considering the whole event has been a storm in a teacup, there's little wonder it wasn't posted here, and more of a negative for the other Wikipedias who posted it that let the bright lights of American media "outrage" blur their vision. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:01, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

ಠ_ಠ --anon. 71.183.139.60 (talk) 01:19, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

The biggest problem with ITN is clearly simply the lack of variety - so much so that it's hard to be sure how it's biased, except "a few stories the regulars want to keep up there for half a month or more." Anyone want to start an AfD to get rid of it completely? It fails WP:NOTNEWS (obviously) and it's too depressing to keep arguing in circles about it. Wnt (talk) 02:29, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

The biggest problem really is how small that number of ITN regulars has become. HiLo48 (talk) 03:13, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree completely, HiLo48. I participated in the discussions in the past but I was discouraged by the cumbersomeness of the process. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 09:19, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Azadi March & Inqilab March of Pakistan

Azadi March & Inqilab March of Pakistan both very important in the history of Politics of Pakistan must be added to the front page in Ongoing section Curent Events as both the events are very important from historical point of view of the country. Dr. Shahid Alam(Talk to Me) 19:54, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:ITNC. --Th4n3r (talk) 20:30, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Get ready for some asscrack

According to Template:Did you know/Queue/4, the next DYK update is going to feature an image of a minor child's butt crack as they stoop over to take a dump. Surely nothing bad could possibly come from that wise decision. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:33, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

As the person who took that picture, I can assure the boy was not about to defecate. If you think he was, you have a dirtier mind than I. Daniel Case (talk) 04:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ --anon. 71.183.139.60 (talk) 00:46, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• And it didn't happen. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:52, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

This is an outrage! Nothing bad ever came from a butt crack. Let me rephrase that. Never mind. Anyway, it is such a nice article. Oh, and the hypocrisy (see #8)! I'm so sorry, Daniel. I know what you put into that article. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, this is a fine article. There's a reason the image was removed, however: a lack of consensus for something so likely to be controversial. Also, the Signpost screw up is completely unrelated. Why even bring it up? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't see how a toddler's bum could be controversial. I didn't know the Signpost image was a screw-up. I already said why I brought it up. Anyway, I'm glad to see the article at DYK in the end. It is a good topic. The image being omitted is not the end of the world. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, can somebody please explain, in clear terms, what's wrong with the image? This is a serious request. HiLo48 (talk) 12:14, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

"Lack of consensus"? How do we know that. There was no discussion at WT:DYK over whether this was likely to be controversial, just how quickly it could be removed. Nor were other options, such as replacing the hook entirely while a discussion could be held pending later use, even considered. Process was short-circuited. Daniel Case (talk) 15:43, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Where is the discussion about this going on? By my recollection the article was crotchless pants or something like that. This is ridiculous. We have a whorehouse as the most viewed DYK of all-time. How can this be worse than whorehouse?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:37, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• The article was not in question. The image which accompanied it was. The brothel was run with its facade as the image. This would have been run with naked buttocks hanging out, had it gone through without the image being removed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:57, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

And the problem with that is? HiLo48 (talk) 00:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Take a look at the image as it would have appeared and tell me with a straight face that "naked buttocks hanging out" is an accurate description. Daniel Case (talk) 01:58, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Good question. We are talking about what, 8 x 8 pixels of butt? And it is not hanging out. It is just showing. For an encyclopedia that is not censored, that is a big act of censorship for something so small. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:39, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

"Dog Fart Rollercoaster"

So, a tiny triangle of a common sight on the streets of China has to be pulled out of DYK, but "Dog Fart Rollercoaster" is OK? Shouldn't we pull that, too, if we're don't want to lose the PG-13 rating? Daniel Case (talk) 05:05, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and it goes on: "... takes riders past a statue of a defecat­ing dog and "gives new meaning to the phrase 'the wind in my face'"?" What makes this any different? Why does this hook get special treatment? Daniel Case (talk) 05:27, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm confused. Is a defecating dog offensive? HiLo48 (talk) 07:00, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

See the section above. Daniel is annoyed that File:Chinese boy with open rear pants closeup.jpg was pulled from DYK before it got to the main page. Jenks24 (talk) 10:46, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

So am I. Do the conservatives who forced that removal care about Muslims being offended by images of Muhammad? HiLo48 (talk) 12:13, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I am neither a conservative nor a prude. I have no problem whatsoever with either of these articles being on the main page and I have no intention to propose the image in question be deleted or anything like that. I just don't think it should be used on the main page if there are other alternatives that do not involve an ass crack.

Daniel, I think you are taking this far to personally. It is not about you, I think you are fine person and I am well aware that you are one of the hardest working people at DYK. However, I believe that sometimes in the zeal to get something on to the main page people involved in the DYK process fail to think things through. As far as I am concerned the matter is resolved and I won't be responding to your various innuendos about me here and elsewhere. I apologize for your hurt feelings in this matter but I think this result is what is best for WP. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment. I did not call you either a conservative or a prude—HiLo implied that.

As for alternatives, there was a picture of the pants unworn in the article (right) that could have been used instead. Why wasn't this considered? Daniel Case (talk) 21:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

We would only an alternative if there was something wrong with a kid's slightly exposed bum in a context where such a thing is perfectly normal. Is there something wrong with it? I hope we're not judging one culture's standards by those of another. HiLo48 (talk)

• Daniel, as has been mentioned elsewhere there was very little time to decide what the 100% best course of action would have been. 15 minutes to MP when I got online, read the ping, and had to make a decision. I knew that once the article was there making a big change would have been much more controversial (especially moving the hook back to preps), and if it was left in the image slot there was a possibility that it could be pulled summarily (see the discussions cited below, as well as previous discussion related to File:Hermaphrodite genitalia restoration.jpg (NSFW)). I know how much people who write DYKs don't want their hooks pulled, and there was already a very nice image attached to another article, so I chose to switch the two's position in the queue. Very few other edits had to be made, and thus we didn't have to worry about DYK running late or accidentally running with the image (and thus possibly causing controversy). Had I had more time, I could probably have come up with switching to the image of the non-worn pants, or delaying the promotion of the one hook, but the world looks quite different with a 15 minute deadline. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:16, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

The question should be, at this point, why there was very little time. There was time to have the discussion when the hook was awaiting review. It was reviewed without this issue being raised at that time. Someone else could have considered it when they went through all the promoted hooks to put a set together. They didn't. And yet suddenly with 15 minutes to go this becomes an issue.

It is disingenuous to argue that there was no time to get an alternate hook in to complete the set. There were other sets of hooks available that had been similarly vetted; one of them would have done. In the future, please think harder when you find yourself in the same situation. Perhaps we need to review our reviewing process Daniel Case (talk) 01:53, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Beeblebrox - You say you are not a prude, but would prefer something different from a toddler's bum. Why? This is a serious question. If your reason isn't prudishness, what is it? HiLo48 (talk) 20:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• How about "avoiding the weeks of moaning and groaning" that would come with running the image? That's usually a good one. After all, these days it takes very little to end up at ANI with such delightful section titles as "DYK taking a crap on the main page" (if someone mistook the image for a child defecating) or "DYK making asses of us all". Or am I the only one who remembers how quickly some of the controversial hooks run in the past have ended up at that wonderful fortress of sanity? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Writ: Holocaust, necrophilia, and murdered actress. All of these hooks were pulled summarily rather than reworked to avoid any possible issues. I should think that Daniel would have preferred that not happen. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

In my Australian vernacular, avoiding this image because some prudes might complain, with no valid policy to back them up, is weak and gutless. HiLo48 (talk) 00:22, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

• You'd be surprised how much I agree with you on a personal level (although I recognize what that makes me). On a professional level, however... let's just say I haven't forgotten Merkin, and that's why I believe we should try and have discussion beforehand. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:38, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I remember that too. A bunch of conservative prudes wanting Misplaced Pages censored. Just like now. Sad. HiLo48 (talk) 00:42, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

The different with Merkin was that we discussed it long before the image was on the main page. Daniel Case (talk) 01:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)