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As far as I know, with certain restrictions to do with warnings and not changing other editor's contributions (WP:OWNTALK, WP:REMOVED, and WP:TALKO) among others) you are free to do partial archives and delete other sections as you wish.

Bot to archive

Edit the below to remove the hidden comment parts <!-- and --> and move the coding to the top of your page to have a bot archive your stuff. Change the YOURUSERNAMEHERE to you and fiddle with the other parameters to meet your level of discussion. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:27, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Deleted comments

The deleted comments can be found quite easily by looking through the history of the page and pulling up the diffs:

• Revision as of 08:38, 10 July 2014
• Revision as of 05:43, 29 August
• Revision as of 05:47, 29 August 2014
• Revision as of 22:06, 30 August 2014 undid
• Revision as of 11:20, 1 September 2014
• Revision as of 11:20, 25 September 2014
• Revision as of 06:51, 26 September 2014
• Revision as of 15:58, 30 September 2014
• Revision as of 22:56, 8 October 2014

Those are the deleted stuff up to the first archive. It would be relative easy to to cut and past the diffs back into the appropriate places in first or second archive if you so wished. -- PBS (talk) 17:11, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for going to that trouble PBS, much appreciated. I will get it archived. How did you find it? I thought archives didn't keep deleted comments. I have been asking at WP:HD how to deal with this, so I have a complete archive record, how to do automatic archiving with a bot and how to do partial archiving. I noticed you said you copied your edit history over when archiving. How do you do that? I was a bit shocked to learn that deleted sections don't get retrieved by the bot, so the records won't be complete. I am still vague about deleted comments and how they get archived, so would like to know how you retrieved all the above. Sorry, still floundering with the technical side of WP editing. P-123 (talk) 17:58, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

If you move a page the history moves with it, that is as true for a talk page as it is for an article. To find these diffs above I simply listed the history of your talk page and looked for any edit you made that had a large negative number in it. -- PBS (talk) 23:40, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Terrorism

see WP:TERRORIST, that has been simplified from earlier versions, this older version, but it is meant to convey the same message.

See also "let the facts speak for themselves" and "assert the facts".

For the underlying reason why terrorist is a pejorative word see the article section Terrorism § Pejorative use.

If you want to see an example in practice of how all this works, have a look at the lead in al-Qaeda. It took a long debate on the talk page to remove the passive narrative use of "terrorist" and to rely on inline attribution to the most authoritative sources (UN down to specific countries: "United Nations Security Council, the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO), the European Union, the United States, Russia, India and various other countries (see below)." but I think the al-Qaeda article is better for it.

-- PBS (talk) 00:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, PBS. Editors had come to the same conclusion some months ago, that the only way "terrorist" could be used in the article in WP's own voice was in the Lead sentence with the terrorist desginations. That also was a long debate. I will look at those links. P-123 (talk) 07:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Military Historian of the Year 2014

Military History Newcomer of the Year 2014

You needed just some more votes!

I checked the voting procedure and you'd cast two votes in one of the elections. However you got two valuable barnstars. Hope to see you in the first rank next year! Mhhossein (talk) 06:38, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Mhhossein: Yes, I had looked at those pages and saw the votes. Thank you very much for the nomination! It is nice to have not one but two very unexpected barnstars for editing in the ISIS article! P-123 (talk) 07:09, 22 December 2014 (UTC).

You're welcome. The barnsatrs are due to nomination and you deserved it. Mhhossein (talk) 07:18, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Mhhossein: I saw that everyone who was nominated would receive barnstars. It was still nice to have them, and it was thanks to your recognition that I did.!  :) P-123 (talk) 07:27, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I just mentioned some facts about your editions. I believe that expressing the power points will lead to more developments. Keep on enhancing Misplaced Pages! Mhhossein (talk) 19:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations

Mhhossein Thank you for the good wishes and wonderful message! Do you have an equivalent day in the Muslim calendar? P-123 (talk) 07:22, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome P-123. We, Iranian, celebrate the beginning of the new year which is the first day of spring and we call this celebration "Nowruz, (Template:Lang-en)". This occasion is some how important from Islamic point of view and shia usually celebrates Nowrouz. Mhhossein (talk) 07:29, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Categories

This edit, would have been better as a request with an explanation (teach a person to fish), it was definitely something that needed doing as including such categories in user space includes the page in that category.

Take the first category listed that was deleted: Category:2006 establishments in Iraq (to display the category include an initial colon ]) Clearly that category should not include User:P-123/My userpage 2 which it did before the questionable edit. Basically do not include links to article categories on user space or talk pages. If you want to reference them then use the start with a colon trick.

If you are developing a page in a sandbox then comment to categories out using <!--]--> until the text the sandbox is copied into article space

-- PBS (talk) 20:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

PBS: Am sure it was the right thing for the editor to do, just would have appreciated a note beforehand. They said they left one afterwards, but I didn't get the ping or see any message about it. At the time I just wanted a copy of an earlier version (any) of the page on my userpage as a reference, to compare with later versions. I did not intend to do anything with it. So everything was moved over when I copied that version to the userpage (I think I did it manually!) Again, I had no idea it would cause complications. Forgot it was there until today. I am assuming the questionable edit doesn't refer to an edit I made, as I didn't alter the text. Thanks for the clarification otherwise. P-123 (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

barnstar

ISIS copy-editing: announcement

I can no longer copy-edit this article as it has moved in a direction I disagree with too much. Grammatical and syntax errors will have to stay uncorrected. I have given the article my best shot. P-123 (talk)

December 2014

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Personal note: if you do want to bring AN/I content onto the article talk page and present it a POV based issue the result would be that I would respond in kind. I hope that you don't think that the AN/I was presented because of the POV issues. I hope that Legacypac would agree but I would not object to a deletion here. Its up to you how far you want issues spread. GregKaye ✍♪ 02:49, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

GregKaye: I won't comment there any more about it, or anything else about the AN/I. Betrayal of a friendship is the overwhelming sense am left with by all this. It is very sad. Had I gone to AN/I for an IBAN I wouldn't have been so devastatingly savage about you. And the knowledge that enemies are tracking my every word on Misplaced Pages is very unpleasant. P-123 (talk) 08:11, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

For what it is worth I have had similar feelings. You were initiating time consuming and unreferenced proceedings against me on Christmas Day amongst your multiple posts that you have made of complaint. I don't think that friends do this. They don't assert. I did my own research and found the materials that sadly I suspected were there. I have tried the approach of raising issues with you on a personal basis but, more and more, this has gone badly. There was no other option I could have taken. To my mind there are aspects of Misplaced Pages behaviour that you should consider. To my interpretation your tendency is to dodge and deflect and, as I believe that issues are of importance, I made a clear case. Please take the raised issues on board. I have had feelings similar to feeling savaged for the last three weeks. None-the-less, I have presented a case in language that is hoped will get you to consider what I consider to be positive ways of working that may be applied within Misplaced Pages and/or elsewhere. You had the choice as to whether to tackle the issues privately or to bring them to more public attention. You had the choice as to your approach to recent content added to the ISIL talk page and mine as well. I personally hope that you take the situation as a time for reflection, analysis and, from my point of view, personal growth. I apologise for any rough edges that I may have had along the way. I may have misinterpreted or misapplied comments made in regard to frank communication.

You are more than welcome to raise your own case at AN/I or at any relevant board that is likely to bring resolution. All I ask is that you cite and reference your case. Issues have certainly snowballed. I have no understanding of how they began. GregKaye ✍♪ 13:16, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

GregKaye: Have just written a long personal (not unpleasant) reply, but too embarrassed to release it in the goldfish bowl. Just want to reassure you that whatever happens at the end of this AN/I, won't counterattack, don't have the vendetta mentality. Will probably delete this thread, btw. P-123 (talk) 14:30, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

GregKaye: Have just seen your latest on the AN/I. Greg, don't you think we should stop sniping at each other at the AN/I, perhaps? I think we are both making ourselves look foolish. I was thinking of perhaps cutting out the comments from my Gregkaye I would leave it to whoever adjudicates this to act as judge and policeman in this matter. I know you like these roles, but it is not appropriate for you to undertake them at AN/I. P-123 (talk) 22:27, 27 December 2014 (UTC) to your "Make your charges properly, or not at all". It is very representative of a point of contention that I have also various made on a great many occasions. GregKaye ✍♪ 14:29, 28 December 2014 (UTC)" What do you think? If you don't agree, I will redact and put "No comment" after that first struck out comment. We are seriously losing dignity now. I will try to keep civil from now on at AN/I. Can we try this? I mean this as a friendly gesture. P-123 (talk) 14:54, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Please, if you have issues to present in an AN/I or any relevant forum then please do so with proper citation. The policeman sub-thread has cost me a lot more unnecessary time and effort and I don't know the validity of deletion of content on an admin notice board. I have felt that you have been publicly attacking my dignity for some time now with article and talk page content. I have always said that you can write what you want and I can respond as I like. I am not here to spar. I am not here for dignity. I don't wish to cause upset. I just want to edit content. Please analyse and take stock of the issues presented. GregKaye ✍♪ 15:31, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I would be quite happy to remove all reference from the Talk:ISIL page and would risk moving Legacypac's comment as well. I have not seen this content recently but, as you know, it is something I was looking to give further response which has not yet been done. GregKaye ✍♪ 15:41, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

GregKaye: I would be happy to remove all my comments about "police" from the AN/I. It isn't really relevant, is it? I have answered your question on Lor's page, btw. Would you like the passage I referred to cut out or not? For the time being I will collapse it. I wish I had never used the word "spar". I have never regarded any of this dispute as sparring, how could I, was trying to make light of a bad situation. P-123 (talk) 16:08, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I think that the collapse was a reasonable thing to do. I have just got back to the keyboard and have made comment. If you can verify that material can be cut from an AN/I, I won't object. You understand that I only have recollection of deleting text for other people's benefit and not directly my own. If you did, want to make non-combative and friendly gestures you would remove your anti-ISIL incitement thread above. I am tired with the ongoing drama, with the framing of not being calm, as police and everything else. GregKaye ✍♪ 16:48, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

GregKaye: Good. I will check about removal from AN/I at the Help Desk. I will leave my AN/I post on the Talk page as I cannot understand your objection to it. I gave a link to it and editors can make up their own minds on it, maybe some will agree with you. It is usual to announce AN/Is on the Talk page. I made my statement on it, you made yours, so what? (I have added a couple of words to show I wasn't meaning the whole issue at AN/I was "very simple".) I cannot see how what I said is "anti-ISIL". I sometimes think you would fight your own shadow, Greg. P-123 (talk) 17:27, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I said, "I would be quite happy to remove all reference from the Talk:ISIL page and would risk moving Legacypac's comment as well." In your perception that "we are both making ourselves look foolish" on the AN/I board. I had seemingly wrongly presumed that this might have been what you wanted. GregKaye ✍♪ 17:37, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

GregKaye: We were clearly talking at cross-purposes. What does that second sentence mean? How is that linked to the Talk page point? I said I would prefer if you agreed to cut out the digression in the collapse box at AN/I (if that was permitted) as it was making us look foolish. Have added an explanatory note to the Talk page post, btw. You do strike me as still very upset, Greg. I had to defend myself at AN/I. I will try not to do it combatively as before. P-123 (talk) 18:02, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

"If you can verify that material can be cut from an AN/I, I won't object." What would you expect me to be like? Citation is never given. You have created what I regard to be unnecessary drama over, as I see it, non issues at talk:ISIL. You add what I consider to be ill thought through texts in various places requiring great time and effort to respond and then opt for deletion. You in my opinion are taking the "michael". I doubt that this is the intention but it's the definite effect. As previously stated I don't hold grudges but I remain wary. I have no confidence that this will stop, as I think you said, ~"by its own volition". Its a huge and unwanted time sink. Issues presented at the AN/I are, I believe, accurate. It is your choice to defend, acknowledge and reassure or do nothing. Why was this deleted as just one small example. As I see it it is all edit and filter here while, in public contents, being all to ready to name and shame. GregKaye ✍♪ 18:21, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

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