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Temporary grant to Stuartyeates and Giantflightlessbirds for GLAM workshop

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These should be OK, reviewing your accounts now. Stuartyeates please verify if from 2014-11-21 through 2014-11-28 is sufficient for these needs? Also, the interface is available all the time at Special:CreateAccount; having account creator allows you to bypass certain safeguards and throttles, notably the 6 accounts-per-day limit. — xaosflux 02:32, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Those dates look great to me, thank you. I had no idea it was going to be as easy as Special:CreateAccount; perhaps my experience of mw:Extension:Education Program led me to expect a huge cumbersome thing. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:25, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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Account Creator technical change

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Notice: a proposal to change the technical implementation of this group's permissions is being held at WP:VPR.
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RfC: Should WP:PERM take advantage of User:ClueBot III or User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver?

I've noticed that on a few occasions the {{Admin dashboard}} has had page size transclusion issues, and I think that these could be greatly reduced by taking advantage of ClueBot III's ability to archive discussions that are already closed (I'll not that it is used on this very talk page). Another benefit of this is that it would allow User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver (or more specifically, the new and improved version waiting to be incorporated into the main version (User:Technical 13/SandBox/OneClickArchiver.js)) to be used for on the fly archiving when the dashboards are hitting page size limits for a quick fix. Thanks for any consideration on this. — {{U|Technical 13}} 05:35, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

The transcluded PERM subpages are already being archived by User:KingpinBot; does it just need some tweaking? — xaosflux 18:07, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
  • There are some sections (ie: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_permissions/Pending_changes_reviewer#User:Possum) that have been marked as done for almost 4 weeks now, and there are many that where marked as done over a week ago. I see no reason that the sections marked as "done" explicitly should be kept on the page for more than 24 hours (or 3 days max) as the user that received the additional group to their rights would have gotten a notification through the system. Anyone that would know to look at the PERM page to object to a user being granted certain rights should be experienced enough to know to look at the archives if it has been longer than that in most cases I would think. — {{U|Technical 13}} 18:53, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
It might have something to do with:
Run successful - last run time 24/08/2015 13:00 Bot disabled - last attempted run time 24/08/2015 13:00:09
:/ — {{U|Technical 13}} 19:05, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
We certainly could use a different system, but need to get the old one to stop first so they don't collide, @Kingpin13: - any thoughts? — xaosflux 14:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Apparently Equazcion has retired, and as such, he's "redirected" his script to mine and I've taken over maintenance. Xaosflux, I can't think of anything it would hurt by having the archiving systems overlap. Is there something you have in mind that could be a problem I'm not thinking of? Thanks. — {{U|Technical 13}} 15:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
As far as one-click types go, nope; I'm just referring to bot managed. — xaosflux 16:12, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Ahh, Xaosflux, I now understand what you are saying. KingpinBot archives them based on status (approved or not approved) and cluebot wouldn't do that, at least not without some help from Cobi (the maintainer) to tweak stuffs... It's going to require me to to some tweaking to make it so that OCA is usable as well for the same reason unless it is decided to do away with the whole separate categorized archives method... Should this be posted on {{CENT}} to get some more input or a note put on WP:AN maybe? Thanks for your help. — {{U|Technical 13}} 18:19, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
We don't really need a formal RFC type discussion on this, it is a completely non-controversial task in that noone opposes having an archive; if one set of archiving tools is more reliable than another for this set of pages, discussion on this page is all that is needed to swap / augment. This page, or at least one of its subpages, would make a good test for one-click archive options as well. — xaosflux 19:36, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I wasn't suggesting a formal "30 days and closed by uninvolved" RfC, just wondering if there should be a short note on AN to see if anyone else has any feedback on whether or not it should be continued to be archived by KpBot in the current format splitting the approved from declined (which I think is a bad idea as it means that "other" parties that may have been following a certain request have to look in two places instead of one to find the result if it wasn't the result they expected) or if we should configure CBot to archive it all on one archive page. I'll need to know this before I make a special module for OCA to archive these discussions (if it is the first option, it may require two clicks to archive correctly each time). — {{U|Technical 13}} 20:20, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Oh sure, an in-link from AN to this thread would be good to get some more eyes on this-I would like to hear from Kingpin too (already pinged) — xaosflux 20:36, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

 Done — {{U|Technical 13}} 20:57, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Let's not make a big fuss about this proposal because all that will be achieved by inviting a broader community will be no consensus at all. The issue only really concerns the admins who patrol the PERM requests and who accord or decline them, and any bots that do the archiving. There is quite a small group of admins who work here and they do so fairly regularly. Whatever solutions the bot handlers reach, what we need to bear in mind are :
  1. Are we 100% certain that users who receive the additional group to their rights are given a notification through the system. AFAIK, the recommendation is that they check back at PERM (or check their rights log).
  2. Are we 100% certain that users who do not receive the additional group to their rights are given a notification through the system. AFAIK, the recommendation is that they check back at PERM (admins are not obliged to inform them).
  3. I think it appropriate to archive all admin decisions after seven (7) days in order to give 'weekend Wikipedians' a chance to log in.
  4. IMO, requests not yet handled by an admin should ideally be left permanently open until adressed. Exception: if NACd as 'not done' by a truly competent user such as Armbrust who has been doing it for years. Note: we do not want to invite a plethora of other NAO/NAC to these pages from admin wannabes - the unnecessary 'clerking' is bad enough already.

--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:48, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

KingpinBot was on Christmas holiday, sorry. Running again now. As far as problems with if the bot does die for good, I can always be contacted via email and make the source code available to someone else to run it (clearly I'm not particularly active myself these days). @Technical 13: As far as the problem of having to look in multiple places for an archived discussion if you don't know the result, I made a search box at Misplaced Pages:Requests for permissions/Archive a while ago specifically to deal with this problem. - Kingpin (talk) 19:29, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
  • @Kingpin13:, @Technical 13:, @Armbrust:: I think we need to take a look at my questions above which no one has taken the trouble to address. Also, the archiving is still too fast, we have users reposting their declined requests within two days. All declined requests should preferably only be archived after 7 days. And thank you , Armbrust, for stepping into the breach and doing what you have been doing for years so much better than a bot. We ae getting to the stage on Misplaced Pages where in many cases we are placing too much reliance on bots. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:13, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
  • The control for how long the bot waits before archiving is at User:KingpinBot/wait.css. Feel free to up the number. As far as the reliance on bots goes, it's not a problem with the bot or bots in general so much as this operator in this case. This kind of task is a complete waste of time to do manually. - Kingpin (talk) 10:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy at 400 mainspace edits?

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I see administrators usually declining users under 400 mainspace edits by suggesting to enroll in CVUA after the user has reached 400 mainspace edits ("when you have made 400 or so edits to articles you may wish to enroll at the Counter Vandalism Academy to learn more"). However, on the CVUA page, under Goals, it says 200 mainspace edits minimum instead of 400 to enroll in the program. Shouldn't it be suggested at 200 mainspace edits instead of 400? HelloThereMinions 04:22, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

 Done Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 05:18, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
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User:NE Ent removal request

 Donexaosflux 15:01, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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Please remove autopatrolled from my account NE Ent 22:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 Donexaosflux 22:57, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2015

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This edit request to Misplaced Pages:Requests for permissions/File mover has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

So I can submit my request. ťəäçħӛṿəř 20:19, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done for now: It's unclear what you are asking for. This is the page for requesting permissions, but you need to state exactly what permissions you are requesting and why you are requesting them. Thanks. — {{U|Technical 13}} 21:00, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
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User:Ajaxfiore

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(From Special:Diff/642403645)

I would like to renounce my Rollback privileges. Ajaxfiore (talk) 03:55, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 Donexaosflux 05:23, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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Pending Changes Reviewer

I would also like to renounce my Reviewer privileges. Ajaxfiore (talk) 15:06, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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