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Huns

In Hohhot there is a museum dedicated to the Xiongnu, and the info panels use the term Hun interchangeably with Xiongnu in English pointing out the meaning Hun in Mongolian today is 'Human', thus acknowledging the Xiongnu as proto-Mongolians.

I wonder if that's because every man and his dog wants to claim that the Xiongnu were their ancestors? The truth is that no one actually knows. Philg88 09:04, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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This editor needs to explain his edit warring which is not supported by academic or wikipedia consensus and give undue weight to one theory. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

History of the Xiongnu needs deep research (linguistics, history, antropology, arhaeology etc.), ancient and medieval books are not always true. For example, Chinese books say Shiwei were subgroup of the Khitan Mongols. In fact, medieval Mongols didn't live in northern Khabarovsk Krai and Mongols are nomadic people but almost all Shiwei tribes were semi-nomadic people (hunters, fishers etc).

Shiwei: "Shiwei was an umbrella term of Mongols and Tungusic peoples that inhabited far-eastern Mongolia, northern Inner Mongolia, northern Manchuria and near the Okhotsk Sea In describing the origin of the Shiwei, Chinese dynastic histories record that it is somewhat related to the Khitan, who were of Xianbei origin". Khartakhan (talk) 16:20, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Wrong statements

No greco-roman author has called Magyars "Scythians". Magyars came in europe arround 8th century and there was no Roman empire, nor Greece. There was only Byzantine empire . The byzantine authors called Magyars not "Scythians" but turks, and "black turks"."Scythians" were called the Bulgars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nix1129 (talk • contribs) 11:50, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Mongolic theories

What is problem with this contents? If users don't add information then how people know about the Xiongnu? Or you going to say that "users didn't add any content"? Or all Mongolian sources are unreliable? Where did live Xiongnu people? In Mongolia. Where did centered Xiongnu state? On Mongolia. Mongolian scholars work together with foreign scholars so world scholars know about their works. Xiongnu#Archaeology: "Political center of the Xiongnu state was in Mongolia and almost all of the Xiongnu kings buried in Mongolia". Turkic vandalism on 25 June 2014, Turkic vandalism on 25 June 2014 (78.184.78.204 IP from Istanbul, Turkey), Version on 3 Semtember 2014, Version on 12 January 2014). The last vandalism did by User:Edward321. Khartakhan (talk) 02:18, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Irrelevant or misrepresented info in Mongolic section

First, there is nothing in the cited sources that makes a connection between Mongol songs and those of the Xiongnu - that is simple and blatant misrepresentation of the sources and needs to be deleted. As for the sun and moon symbol, again none of the sources say anything connecting the Xiongnu symbols to those of any Mongol people. Using modern day flags with sun and moon symbols to make a connection is not only original research, but OR based on absurd logic - as if the fact that some public architecture in the UK and US is based on Greek forms meant that the ancient Greeks spoke a Germanic language. Adding this material despite its clear problems with OR and verifiability is also arguably tendentious. Ergative rlt (talk) 16:30, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

It's an official position of Mongolia. There is no similar symbol among other peoples of the world, isn't it? Coat of the arms is not building. Coat of the arms: A coat of arms is a unique heraldic design. It's very strong cultural element. Khorichar (talk) 17:05, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

This does not in any way deal with the objections above. Ergative rlt (talk) 18:02, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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