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Atlantis voice work

Nimoy also played a voice role in the Disney animated movie "Atlantis". Would someone like to place this information into the main article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.251.35 (talkcontribs) 07:04, 1 January 2006

Stern confusion

It lists "Ben Stern" as his commanding officer. Clicking on this redirects to Howard Stern, born one year before Nimoy was discharged. I think this might be the wrong Stern. =P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.18.2 (talkcontribs) 17:32, 21 August 2006

Up and coming birthday

Leonard Nimoy will be 76 years old on Monday of 2007-03-26 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Berniethomas68 (talkcontribs) 14:18, 8 September 2006

Perry Mason

I seem to remember Nimoy on one or two Perry Mason episodes. He was the "whodunit" in one, I'm sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.156.110.33 (talkcontribs) 23:35, 13 November 2006

Next Wave

Don't forget he did the TV series Next Wave where he interviewed people about technology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.76.214 (talkcontribs) 22:37, 13 December 2006

The Hebrew Letter Shin

Under Personal Life it currently reads

Nimoy also devised the Vulcan Salute, a raised hand, palm forward with the fingers parted between the middle and ring finger. It is said to be based on the traditional kohanic blessing, which is performed with both hands, thumb to thumb in this position; a position thought to represent the Hebrew letter shin (ש). (This letter is often used as a symbol of God in Judaism, as it is an abbreviation for God's name Shaddai. This usage is seen, for example, on every mezuzah.)

I have been under the impression that the letter Shin is used because it is the first letter in the "Shema", which is written on the scroll inserted in each mezuzah. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Corypina (talkcontribs) 17:31, 26 June 2007

Production Company

I had read once that Leonard Nimoy has or had his own production company and was personally quite active in the day-to-day running of this. He also was so wealthy that he literally owned the skyscraper that the production company was located in. These are major facets of the actor's life, or at least have been in relatively recent years, and therefore in my opinion there should be information about these things in this article in order to make it more complete.

The Cage 1965

Nimoy's role in The Cage (the first Star Trek pilot) is missing from his credits - see here for info http://en.wikipedia.org/Star_Trek:_The_Cage Of course The Cage was not aired until the 1980's (?) for the first time, and was used in part in The Menagerie episode, but still is his screen work. Perhaps should be listed under 1965 as part of his work.

Leonard Nemoy as a newscaster

I believe Mr. Nimoy worked as a newscaster for KYW(channel 3) in Philadelphia for a brief period during the early sixties.

the vulcan salute

My understanding of this, as a Theodore Sturgeon reader, was that Sturgeon originated the concept and it was first used in the "Pon Far" episode he wrote where Spock was forced to battle Kirk on the planet Vulcan. Sturgeon wrote at least two episodes for TOS and likely contributed ideas to others, as did other sci-fi authors of that era, and can be credited with developing the Spock character in ways we are all now familiar with. Nimoy may have ultimately come up with what the physical salute gesture looks like, and perfected it for the show, but the whole "live long and prosper" thing was all Sturgeon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thepw45 (talkcontribs) 15:29, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Honours are not qualifications

Nimoy's honorary doctorates should not be listed after his education. They are not qualifications, but honours.Royalcourtier (talk) 04:54, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Personal Life section needs to be cleaned up

There are currently a number of items in the "personal life" section which do not really pertain to his personal life; i.e., how the Vulcan neck pinch and mind meld came to be. They need to be moved someplace else, as they are not about his personal life. 12.31.187.178 (talk) 18:19, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Thanx for pointing it out, I have removed those sections. Mlpearc (open channel) 18:52, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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At the end of the article, the last external link has his last name spelled wrong: "Bruno Mars - The Lazy Song (ALTERNATE OFFICIAL VIDEO) featuring Nemoy" Please change to: "Bruno Mars - The Lazy Song (ALTERNATE OFFICIAL VIDEO) featuring Nimoy" Jk3wl (talk) 18:50, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Done Mlpearc (open channel) 18:55, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Leonard Nimoy Suggestion

You should add William Shatner's quote about his passing over Zachary Quinto's.. He knew him far better and they were close friends that lived through life together! Zachary Quinto is a child and recent acquaintance.. Has far less history.. Quote from those that knew him best over famous people he met in the past few years.. Better yet! Quote his family..

His grandaughter said.. "Hi all, as you all know, my Grandpa passed away this morning at 8:40 from end-stage chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. He was an extraordinary man, husband, grandfather, brother, actor, author-the list goes on- and friend. Thank you for the warm condolences. May you all LLAP. - Dani"

William Shatner said.. "I loved him like a brother. We will all miss his humor, his talent, and his capacity to love.

Please be respectful to the man and those that knew him best!

Reference:

William Shatner - https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/571375716337643521

Grandaughter - https://twitter.com/TheRealNimoy/status/571373655793532928 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.180.105.26 (talk) 18:53, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Agree. Mlpearc (open channel) 18:57, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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Please replace Text ""my heart is broken. i love you profoundly my dear friend. and i will miss you everyday. may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.""

with

""My heart is broken. I love you profoundly my dear friend. And i will miss you everyday. May flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.""

The second line was hot it was posted by Mr. Quinto. Capitalization was not used when posting it in the body of the article. Jjdiascro (talk) 19:10, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Not done: The quote is written as posted Mlpearc (open channel) 19:17, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Edit Request: Additional Credit in Television Roles

He was the host of a television show in the 80's called "Standby: Lights, Camera, Action"; that's missing from his credits in the television table. The show ran from 1982-1987; the article for the series is at Standby: Lights, Camera, Action. Could someone add this? I know it isn't as big as his other works, but it's definitely big enough to incorporate here. Thanks! SkittishSloth (talk) 20:13, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, to make this edit today, it would have to be sourced, as the article you point to has none. Mlpearc (open channel) 20:19, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 Done Thank you. Mlpearc (open channel) 20:37, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Tinnitus

It is wrongly stated that tinnitus "is a symptom of hearing loss". However, this is not always the case (e.g., I've had tinnitus for 30+ years with no ancillary hearing loss). In Nimoy's case, this might have been true (A); or the author might have added the comment to illustrate what tinnitus is (B). I suggest to edit this into something along the following lines:

if A): "along with progressive hearing loss."

if B): either ("which frequently correlates with hearing loss"), or simply a link to wiki's own page (https://en.wikipedia.org/Tinnitus). I prefer the link as the other sounds dull: if it did in his case, say so; if it didn't, it's an unnecessary statement.

Not a big issue, but as wiki is so authoritative these days...

gnometorule (talk) 20:56, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Removed as trivia, and poorly referenced trivia, at that, written in such a manner to suggest WP:SYNTH was used to draw a conclusion. Sorry. -- WV 21:30, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Stage

We could use a section on his stage work. He made a great deal of appearances in live theatre beginning around 1948.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:20, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Infobox

A sub section in the infobox states "Military Career". Two years in the Army during wartime does not equate a military career. While his service is laudable, two years of enlisted service really isn't worthy of such notice in the infobox. It should be removed, in my opinion. -- WV 23:31, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Death and illness should be a different section and it should look like this

In February 2014, Nimoy revealed that he had been diagnosed with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). On February 19, 2015, Nimoy was taken to UCLA Medical Center for chest pain and had been in and out of hospitals for the "past several months."

Nimoy died on February 27, 2015 at the age of 83 in his Bel Air home from complications of COPD. A few days before his death, Nimoy shared some of his poetry on social media website Twitter: "A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP".

Shatner said of his friend, "I loved him like a brother We will all miss his humor, his talent, and his capacity to love." Zachary Quinto, who portrayed the younger "Spock" character in films Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness, commented on Nimoy's death: "my heart is broken. i love you profoundly my dear friend. and i will miss you everyday. " George Takei stated, "The word extraordinary is often overused, but I think it's really appropriate for Leonard. He was an extraordinarily talented man, but he was also a very decent human being."

In a statement, U.S. President Barack Obama said he “loved” the Spock character, and paid tribute to Nimoy, “a lifelong lover of the arts and humanities, a supporter of the sciences, generous with his talent and his time."

References

  1. France, Lisa Respers (February 24, 2015). "Internet to Leonard Nimoy: Live long and prosper". CNN. Retrieved February 27, 2015.
  2. Heffernan, Virginia (February 27, 2015). "Leonard Nimoy, Spock of 'Star Trek,' Dies at 83". New York Times. Retrieved February 27, 2015.
  3. "Leonard Nimoy Dies at the age of 83". Renegade Cinema. February 27, 2015. Retrieved February 27, 2015. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)
  4. "Leonard Nimoy, Spock of 'Star Trek,' dead at 83". Fox News. February 27, 2015. Retrieved February 27, 2015.
  5. Quinto, Zachary (February 27, 2015). "zacharyquinto - February 27, 2015". Instagram. instragram.com. Retrieved February 27, 2015. My heart is broken. I love you profoundly my dear friend. And i will miss you everyday. May flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.
  6. http://www.huffpost.com/us/entry/6770654 William Shatner, George Takei Pay Tribute to Leonard Nimoy
  7. "Statement by the President On the Passing of Leonard Nimoy". whitehouse.gov. February 27, 2015. Retrieved February 27, 2015.
No, it shouldn't be a separate section as doing so is in opposition to WP:MOS; neither his death nor illness were notable. A quote from the current president about the passing of a celebrity is not necessarily notable, either. Putting the quote in is overkill and borderline WP:RECENTISM -- after Obama is no longer president, no one will care what he thought about Nimoy's death; the quote is not really notable or pertinent to Nimoy's career, and therefore, not encyclopedia-worthy. Statements from his co-stars are pertinent and have been appropriately included. -- WV 23:38, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
@Winkelvi:I beg to differ. Obama's quote was meant very personally and not the sort of boilerplate that presidents usually say when celebrities die. Consider also that Obama's personal cool has been compared to Spock as well. I think it's relevant; I think people will care and in any event to suggest that people won't care what he said is shortsighted crystal ball gazing. If people really don't care, we can always take it out in three years. Daniel Case (talk) 23:55, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, but totally disagree. It's not pertinent to Nimoy's career. What you are saying is maybe pertinent to Obama's career. If he's been compared to Spock, put it in Obama's article. -- WV 00:01, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
@Winkelvi: I consider your logic about not including a quote from President Obama to be deeply troubling and problematic. Just because Pres. Obama's term runs out in two years seems like an extremely petty reason to not include a quote from a sitting President. I implore you to see what was done to Roger Ebert's biography, as just one example among many, to see how a death and illness section can be done as a separate section and also include a quote from a sitting US president. 01:16, 28 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireflyfanboy (talkcontribs)
Not all Misplaced Pages articles are written according to MOS guidelines, which is a pity. No reason to muddy this article up with non-MOS inclusions and stylings. Further, not everything that is found on the internet, verifiable through a reliable source, or uttered by a sitting president needs to be included in Misplaced Pages articles. If Obama and Nimoy had been close friends or involved in each others' lives professionally, I can see the appropriateness of including the quote. Including it would essentially equate article bloat and really isn't germane or relevant to Nimoy's life and this article. -- WV 01:28, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Can you please site the specific issue in MOS in regards to how you believe deaths of notable people are supposed to depicted? I tried to find it specific rules on how to cover a death of a person in a biography and could not find any.Fireflyfanboy (talk) 01:33, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
I've merged "Death" with "Personal life and final years" simply because, reading the article, I couldn't find a good place to put the section break. He died from COPD, and that really is part of "final years", although I could support separating "Personal life" and "Final years and death" sections, if the latter is suitably expanded. Pathore (talk) 02:47, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Illness and death subsections are perfectly normal and acceptable for biography articles. It is not clear why Winkelvi is citing the MOS on this point when it doesn't say anything against such a section. Perhaps Winkelvi will take a moment to review our best GA and FA biographies, as the vast majority contain illness and death subsections. Again, I don't see where the MOS comes into this. Viriditas (talk) 02:54, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Agree strongly with this comment by Viriditas, above. These sects are common for high quality articles on this site. Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 02:56, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
I have no problem with the President's quote or the inclusion of the death section, and the Ebert article is a good model (IMO), if there's no MOS guideline then it reverts back to WP:CONSENSUS, no matter who the subject is. Mlpearc (open channel) 02:56, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
I merged those sections because I couldn't find a place for a section break that could fit both "Personal life and final years" and "Death". I do see a place to insert a "Final years and death" section heading, but that produces a very short section that would be in need of expansion. I'll split the sections again if there is consensus to do so, and someone steps up to expand the new "Final years and death" section. Pathore (talk) 03:02, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
The Ebert article isn't a good model for the Nimoy article in regard to their deaths. The reason why is because Ebert struggled with cancer for years and finally succumbed to it. That was notable. Nimoy died essentially of old age and complications from a non-fatal condition he was diagnosed with a couple of weeks ago. That's not notable, it's just dying. -- WV 03:19, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
The short length of a separate "Final years and death" section as the article currently stands is exactly why I've merged those sections. Look at the article; see those two screenshots of memorial statements? The text between them is the entire "Final years and death" section. Pathore (talk) 03:29, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Diagnosis story, 7 February. 2014. Also the source for giving up cigarettes 30 years prior. —ATinySliver/ 03:26, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Moving the obituary to main page

After all, as an iconic image on pop culture in XX and XXI centuries, he deserves this more than many of the trivia in that session. And NOT. I'm not a trekker.

Ulysses Fiuza (talk) 23:41, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a memorial site. His obituary as content is inappropriate and against guidelines. -- WV 23:53, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Respect for actor and character he breathed life into.

Date of death  : As well as the date of death for Leonard Nimoy I would ask On behalf of Fans that a date of death for Mr. Spock be included as Stardate 68623.5 based on TrekGuide.com Stardate generator Unless there is a more acceptable Star date. Its only ... logical.

Brian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.50.48 (talk) 23:51, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a memorial or fan site. The "Stardate" would be inappropriate, unencyclopedic, and against WP:MOS guidelines. -- WV 23:55, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Would it be acceptable to include the data under the Spock entry of your Misplaced Pages?
Brian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.50.48 (talk) 23:59, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
No, still not acceptable. It would be trivia, rather than encyclopedic content. -- WV 01:21, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Cute, but not appropriate. Seems like you're looking for en.memory-alpha.org. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 02:27, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Statement by the White House

This passage:

In a statement, President Barack Obama said he “loved” the Spock character, and paid tribute to Nimoy, “a lifelong lover of the arts and humanities, a supporter of the sciences, generous with his talent and his time. … Michelle and I join his family, friends, and countless fans who miss him so dearly today." (including citation)

and its variants have been removed repeatedly by an editor who says the "article is not be a memorial or collection of statements after death". I argue that a statement by a president of the United States is in and of itself notable, expressing the widespread admiration held for this man. I request comments toward a consensus, please. —ATinySliver/ 01:44, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

I think we should leave out all such memorial statements. Famous person dies; famous person remarks. Newsworthy perhaps, but not encyclopedic. Will anyone care about such remarks in 100 years? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrX (talkcontribs)
A statement regarding a celebrity's death isn't notable or appropriate to include in a Misplaced Pages article just because a president issued it. Misplaced Pages articles aren't meant to be a collection of quotes and statements by people quoted by the press. Nimoy's death wasn't particularly notable. People are sad Nimoy died, that's expected, but his death is hardly a shock or surprise at his age. It's not the same as if it were something catastrophic that caused his death, or if it had been the result of a notable act of violence, or a suicide (such as Robin Williams). Obama wasn't involved in Nimoy's career, there's nothing indicating they were close friends. Presidents issue statements all the time and we are not obligated include those statements every time they say something about someone with celebrity status. Quotes from Shatner, Takei, and anyone else who starred beside him (within reason) on Star Trek or in the Star Trek films are appropriate. It's simply unnecessary article bloat (bordering on trivia) to include Obama's statement. -- WV 01:54, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
The statement by the U.S. President is historic and will be recorded and remembered in 100 years. It should be referenced in this article. — Cirt (talk) 02:57, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

NASA and White House images are noteworthy and relevant

NASA Administrator Charles Bolden Remembers Leonard Nimoy
Statement by U.S. President Barack Obama on the Passing of Leonard Nimoy
  1. These above two images were removed from the article. They should be included in the article in the Tributes section or section on his death.
  2. It is noteworthy that on the same day the President of the United States and NASA Administrator both commented upon the life of Leonard Nimoy.
  3. Both images are products of the United States Federal Government, and thus public domain licensed.
  4. Please include these images in the article.

Thank you,

Cirt (talk) 02:37, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

It's newsworthy, but not encyclopedic. Further, just because someone gives a statement on an actor's death, that doesn't mean it merits inclusion. Moreover, we aren't to overload articles with quotes. Nimoy was well known and well-liked, there are going to be people saying things about him over the next day or two. We don't devote an inordinate amount of space to those comments, no matter who the statements are made by. And let's not forget, while a NASA quote is cool, Nimoy never actually ventured "where no man has gone before". He didn't step on the moon, an imaginary planet called Vulcan, nor did he ever go into space. Yes, it's cool someone from NASA made a statement about his death, but it's not necessary, encyclopedic content. And sorry, but in 100 years, no one is going to give a crap. -- WV 02:38, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
  1. It's indeed encyclopedic.
  2. In 100 years, yes, it will be historic that both the NASA Administrator and the President of the United States commented upon his death. — Cirt (talk) 02:40, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

A search of the White House Press Office web page shows 114 statements on the passing of someone over a six-year period, an average of 19 per year. As I type this, Nimoy is top-three-or-better trending at Twitter and Facebook, while a Google News search shows nearly 2,700 articles (no doubt of various degrees of reliability and notability). Any suggestion that his passing isn't particularly notable is ludicrous and stunningly tone-deaf. —ATinySliver/

  1. I'm sorry but I just don't see how it's not appropriate here.
  2. How many people historically, over the last 100 years, had statements from both the NASA Administrator and the President of the United States ??? — Cirt (talk) 02:47, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

The tone-deafness is actually coming from you, Sliver (this is not new for you). I didn't say his life was not notable, I said his death isn't particularly notable. He was 83 and died from something many elderly people have and eventually die from: complications of COPD. He didn't have cancer, he didn't die violently, he didn't die in a shocking manner, he didn't suffer from Parkinson's, etc. His death isn't notable, he was. Regardless, we still don't clutter up articles with a bunch of "tributes", we pick and choose. Barack Obama made a statement about his death. So what? As you stated, he's commented about a number of people's deaths. How many deaths of celebrities were commented on by previous presidents? Probably most in the latter-20th century. How many of those comments are remembered or cared about today? Very, very (VERY) few (if any). A president commenting about the death of a celebrity isn't noteworthy, it's newsworthy. Misplaced Pages isn't a newspaper. -- WV 02:59, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

A president commenting about the death of a celebrity is both newsworthy and noteworthy. How often in history in the past 100 years have both the NASA Administrator and the President of the United States made such statements about a person's death? — Cirt (talk) 03:05, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
IMO, the statements themselves are not notable. Only the people are. And I agree with WV that the death was not notable. Again, the person was. (and Leonard Nimoy and Barack Obama both already have articles.) The images you want to include inherit all their notability from the people making them or to whom they are devoted; but neither are actually notable in and of themselves. Notice how not everything Obama has ever said is on some page simply because he was the one to say it. moluɐɯ 03:08, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Cirt: Both NASA and the White House in the same day -- is that part of the Misplaced Pages threshold of inclusion? (you keep bringing it up as if it is). -- WV 03:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
"his is not new for "? That is a personal attack; I was offering my assessment of an action where you engage in argumentum ad hominem. Meantime, argumentum is the operative word here: I requested comments in an effort to build a consensus, whereas you find yourself compelled to argue with every single one of them. Based on these actions and others, I believe I am not out of line to suggest that you have no interest in a consensus—any consensus. —ATinySliver/ 03:06, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
I do? Really? —ATinySliver/ 03:09, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
I believe that was directed at Cirt above you. He probably misplaced his statement in all these edit conflicts. I'm probably edit conflicting him or will be edit conflicted myself. But also, I'm not fully advised on either one of you guys's activities, but that didn't really seem like a personal attack, and your reaction to it was poor and itself a personal attack. Stop trying to create a red herring argument and try to take things more rationally. If you're going to point out a fatal flaw, don't be a hypocrite when you do it. moluɐɯ 03:14, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Window, meet WP:AGF—neither red herring nor hypocritical. —ATinySliver/ 03:19, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

If either or both statements are worth including at all, they're worth including as text. Including them in images, particularly images that are screenshots of websites, doesn't make any sense to me. —Cryptic 03:15, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Completely agree; the images add nothing but overkill, IMO. —ATinySliver/ 03:19, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Fine. Include them as text, then. — Cirt (talk) 03:27, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
But we have the full texts over at Wikisource. The images are relevant there as sources for the text. (Side note: why are the screenshots JPEG when they should be PNG?) Perhaps we should replace the screenshots with the links to Wikisource? Pathore (talk) 03:33, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 Done, changed to Wikisource links, per above suggestion by Pathore. Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 03:38, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
@Winkelvi: So you're saying we need the Wikisource boxes posted in two different sections ? Mlpearc (open channel) 04:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
No, I removed those again -- the problem was you deleted content that shouldn't have been deleted.
Thank you for catching that, my error. Mlpearc (open channel) 04:11, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
No problem. It happens! :-) -- WV 04:18, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Tobacco smoking

For some reason, I cannot find any mention of Nimoy's past tobacco smoking habit in the current article and its correlation with his COPD. Also, several of the sources say that Nimoy quit three decades ago, but I wonder how accurate this is, as I seem to recall him smoking quite recently. Was it on Fringe where I saw him smoking in character? I can't recall. Viriditas (talk) 03:02, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Nimoy himself made the statements you reference, recently, on Twitter. And this was then reported in numerous secondary sources that should be easy to find. — Cirt (talk) 03:06, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, I've been re-watching Fringe as recently as last night and can't (yet) recall him (or his character at least) smoking, I do clearly recall the character breathing from a cylinder, presumably oxygen (the scene where he meets Olivia Dunham (Anna Torv 'over there' in the still standing World Trade Centre towers). I wonder if Nimoy was needing oxygen at that stage considering his cause of death? --220 of 03:15, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
I think you're right. They worked the COPD oxygen therapy into the character, not the smoking. I must be thinking of John Noble doing bong hits. Viriditas (talk) 03:34, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
@Viriditas:(big breath in ... Ahhhhh) Yes, I didn't think of that! (another Aussie actor I might note ) "Good before bed" I believe his character Walter Bishop said. The oxygen may have just been an unfortunate co-incidence, as the Bell character was supposed to be suffering the adverse after-effects of swapping universes.220 of 04:01, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Viriditas: here is CNN's version from a year ago. Cheers! —ATinySliver/ 03:30, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Here is the LA Times as well. Viriditas (talk) 03:34, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
ATinySliver/ 03:37, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
"This is the BBC ... " "Last year, the actor revealed he was suffering chronic lung disease COPD, despite stopping smoking 30 years ago." 220 of 04:01, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Astronauts Mark Leonard Nimoy’s Passing

Astronauts Mark Leonard Nimoy's Passing

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