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UTRS Account Request

I confirm that I have requested an account on the beta UTRS tool. Yunshui 水

All Stars Poster

Hi Yunshui, I noticed "File:All Stars Poster.png" has been deleted as a copyright vio .... I'm a bit baffled tho as I'm 80% sure I done everything correctly ?,
Thanks, –Davey2010 16:06, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

@Davey2010: No, you did everything right - the problem was that the poster itself was a copyright violation (i.e. the violation was committed by the film production company, not by you). The takedown was requested via OTRS; since there were legal implications I felt that removing the image was the most straightforward course of action. Definitely no criticism of your actions intended, and I apologise for not thinking to notify you in the first place. Yunshui 水 21:30, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi Yunshui, Oh right I never had any idea anyone could request stuff like that, I assumed one would have to ask me and then I'd need to take it further,
It's okay no worries - We all forget so no worries :),
Well I'm glad It was nothing to do with me - Been racking my brain for the few hours wondering how or what I done incorrectly ,
Thanks for your help/replying :),
Thanks, –Davey2010 22:21, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 February 2015

A Dobos torte for you!

7&6=thirteen (☎) has given you a Dobos Torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it.


To give a Dobos Torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:44, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Must try and get hold of one of these to try in real life, thye look tasty. Thanks very much. Yunshui 水 09:47, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Playing football?

Hi Yunshui, I've landed on your page, cap in hand as usual, as you seem to be about at the moment! I'm unsure of the best action to take with the situation at Kirkwall Ba game. There seems to have been a slow edit war going on for some time with what is likely the use of several accounts; Bbb23 blocked a couple of accounts: Speakingthetruth7877, Themanwhoknows1, Elliotness1] etc and looking at the article history, the latest player may be the same? I managed to find some refs for the article and the editor has received a couple of warnings on their talk page. I added another warning this morning. Is there anything further I should do? Sheesh, I don't even know why I got involved in this - football isn't even something I know about! SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:54, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

So obvious I didn't even bother with a checkuser - I've naturally blocked the new account as yet another sock. Since this doesn't seem to be going away I've also semi-protected the article for a bit as well. Good spot, but there's nothing else you (or I) need to do here - which is a relief, since I probably know even less about football than you do! Yunshui 水 12:15, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, your help is, as always, much appreciated! SagaciousPhil - Chat 13:03, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Not that I'm competitive or anything, but I think I should win the trophy for the person who knows the least about football. Ask Drmies who knows everything about everything.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:19, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Bless your heart, Bbb. Hey, I just cleared the CSD spam log, and just about every one of 'em (some 30 in all) came with a block and a block notice as well. I should get today's RSI trophy. Please have a look at Softlavender's request on my talk page--I need coffee and to get away from this screen. Drmies (talk) 00:36, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


3R rule

Hi Yunshui greetings and nice picture on profile :) , how to deal with 3 reverts rule please check here Shrikanthv (talk) 09:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Start with a talkpage warning, which I see you've already done. If they persist to the point of 3RR you can report them to WP:3RN, but be aware that as you are not reverting blatant vandalism or BLP violations, your own conduct will also be subject to scrutiny. I've left them a welcome message alerting them to WP:V; this is a new editor who may not be aware of our policies. Yunshui 水 09:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
and how treat this article ? here and seems his websites asks people visit wiki to know more about him ! ( I do not know if its was of legitimising things !) here Shrikanthv (talk) 09:17, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I thought about taking the editing knife to it, but it needs an axe - I've removed it under G11. The guy may just about meet notability, but the whole thing needs to be rewritten from scratch - and not by its original author

WP:Co-op: Presentation at Wikimania 2015

Hey Yunshui. I've put in a submission for a presentation at Wikimania 2015 called Is Two the Magic Number?: The Co-op and New Editor Engagement through Mentorship. I'll be talking about the state of finding help spaces on en.wiki and how our new mentorship space, The Co-op, factors into that picture. Reviewing will begin soon and I'll need your help to be able to present our work. Please review our proposal and give us feedback. If you would be interested in seeing this presentation, whether you are attending or not, please add your name to the signup at the bottom of the proposal (you do not need to attend Wikimania to express interest in presentations). I, JethroBT on behalf of Misplaced Pages:Co-op.

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Thanks! and one more problem oops!

Hi Yunshui was following an article for some time and also nominated it for deletion ones (it survived), it seems the article qoutes various famous people sources to put across its own agenda ( never was a suggestion by famous people) , countered the page creator allways comes out saying you guys are against new "western" veiw of the subject something like this ! but the real matter was the subject itself , how to deal with such matter ?

Shrikanthv (talk) 14:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Um... which article? Hypothetical situations are all very well, but if you can tell me which article you're referring to I can give you a better-than-hypothetical answer. Yunshui 水 14:31, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


:) here
Well, it needs a substantial trim to get rid of the quotebombing - we simply don't use quotations like that in an encyclopedia - but beyond that I don't see much of an issue with it; it's been written about enough to be notable and the content is, whilst heavy on the jargon, fairly neutral as far as I can acertain actually there does seem to be a bit of undue weight given to criticism from other religious systems, so that could be looked at. What exactly is the problem you're having with the page? Yunshui 水 14:54, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi yunshui, there is some arbitration going on the creator already I think I will wait it out till its completed before changing anything Shrikanthv (talk) 06:52, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Request to Read and Resolve My Query

Hello Mate

Today, after 4 month survival on wikipedia, my page having URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/Suvigya_Sharma get deleted. It was really very shocking for me after reading "promotional material". Suvigya Sharma is my brother and he is renowned artist who got lots of national and international prize for his great artistic work. According to Misplaced Pages policy i had not put any promotional links instead i had kept links of renowned news channels in reference section which is supported by Misplaced Pages.

Even my page was patrolled by Misplaced Pages Team with green signal "Suvigya Sharma was patrolled by DragonflySixtyseven". It's not my intention to force you to change your decision after all you are senior authority of this prestigious online media. However as a user its my curiosity to know what is basic reason or where i lack.

I dare to post the short bio of my brother as i read several biography for renowned people. That's the main reason behind the publishing not for any promotion.

Thanks in Advance for your generous support. I am waiting for precious support which resolve my curiosity.

Regards Atul— Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.124.20.120 (talk) 16:22, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I see that it has now been restored in draft format by another administrator, so you can continue working on it. Some suggestions, however:
  • Phrases like, "He holds expertise," "He practises both religiously," "renounced miniature Artist ," "he is also very passionate towards arts," "from an artistic family," "He had a wonderful childhood," "his talented and visionary father" - I could go on, but hopefully you get the gist - are completely inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Misplaced Pages articles should strive for neutrality - that means no laudatory language praising the subject, his work or his family.
  • Sources are everything - most of this article is completely unsourced. Since you are related to the subject, I assume that the information about his life is drawn from personal knowledge; that is not acceptable here. If the information has not been previously published in reliable, third party sources, it does not belong on Misplaced Pages.
  • On a related note, since you are related to the subject, you have a severe conflict of interest with Misplaced Pages in writing about him. As such, you shoudl not be the person to create the article - a more appropriate venue for you would be Request articles, where you can ask someone else, who does not have a personal investment in presenting the subject in a positive light, to create the article.
  • The article has a mass of inappropriate external links; these need to be removed. With the exception of Mr Sharma's own official website, none of the external links meet Misplaced Pages's requirements.
I would strongly suggest at this point that you recuse yourself from the article entirely, and instead request that the editing community work on it on your behalf. It is very clear from the fact that you are not able to see the issues with this article that you are not capable of writing appropriately on the subject. You should absolutely avoid moving it back into mainspace again yourself. Yunshui 水 08:39, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


Essay

As you informed that a blog and an essay are different: did that means that at any cost, an essay on Misplaced Pages must be wrote in neutral context? thanks~"aGastya" ✉ let’s talk about it :) 09:23, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

They don't have to meet the requirements of WP:NPOV (although policies like WP:BLP and WP:NPA still apply), but they need to be about Misplaced Pages in some way. In other words, you can write an essay on why you think the deletion process is biased and wrong and should be more democratic, but you can't write about how your local political system is biased and wrong and should be more democratic. I'd recommend reading some of the examples listed in Category:User essays to get a feel for the sort of writing and subject matter involved. Yunshui 水 10:13, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

thank you for the information! ~"aGastya" ✉ let’s talk about it :) 10:32, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Checkuser request

A case against me was opened here. Editor Nishidani claims here he wasn't WP:Hounding me but rather watched Barkan Industrial Park page prior to my edits. I would like information on whether this fact is true.

I believe this has ground for checking since it is a legitimate concerns about bad faith editing.

As this is part a series of such AE requests (here and here), the information is quite important and I would love to have it before this current AE request against me closes.

Has Nishidani watched Barkan Industrial Park prior to my first edit on 20:22, 16 February 2015‎?

Thanks, Ashtul (talk) 13:40, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

That isn't something we can learn from checkuser data. As far as I'm aware, it's impossible to tell within the Mediawiki software what another user has on their watchlist at any given time. Yunshui 水 13:43, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks you. Ashtul (talk) 14:53, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
(Friendly stalker) Yunshui A related question:Is it possible to tell which editors are watching a users talk page? I know you can check how many are watching but can you (or anyone) tell "who" is watching? TY.... . Buster Seven Talk 13:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
The WMF programmers might be able to do so, but I doubt it. Watchlists are essentially sacrosanct - to the best of my knowledge, there's no combination of userrights that allows you to see what's on someone else's watchlist, or precisely who is watching any given page. Yunshui 水 13:24, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Tjuan Benafactor

Why did you delete the Tjuan Benafactor page as I was still creating it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jholky (talk • contribs) 15:53, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I deleted it over an hour after your initial creation of the page. It contained no third-party reliable sources, and was excessively promotional in tone. The deletion criteria used were A7 and 11.
It also appears from your contributions that you have some sort of personal or professional relationshiop with the subject; you should therefore familiarise yourself with Misplaced Pages's conflict of interest guidelines and be aware that undisclosed paid editing is a violation of Misplaced Pages's Terms of Use (and is therefore grounds for blocking your account). Yunshui 水 07:56, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks

for your recent addition to the retention projects award program. New entries are the life blood of the program and are much appreciated. . Buster Seven Talk 13:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Co-op: Mentor profiles and final pilot prep

Hey mentors, two announcements:

  1. You can now make your profile at The Co-op! Please set up your mentor profile here as soon as you are able, as the pilot begins on March 4th. It isn't very involved and should only take a minute. If you need more info about what the different skills mean (e.g. writing, communication), please refer to these descriptions.
  2. Profile creation, invitations, and automated matching of editors, profile creation, that will be coordinated through HostBot and a few gadgets may not be ready for our pilot, and will have to be done manually until they are ready. In preparation for the pilot, please read over these instructions on how we will be manually performing these tasks until the automated components are ready. I, JethroBT on behalf of Misplaced Pages:Co-op.

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You're Welcome (for help with the numbering)

Yunshui - you're quite welcome; and I'm happy to report that I'm not an IP editor, but rather a full-fledged editor in good standing. In fact, my username is my true full name - Dave Peters.

I think my "loss of identity" occurs thusly: I have a "watch" on the page in question for which I receive e-mail updates following a change of any sort to the page. When such an e-mail arrives, I have three links from which to choose for the page "on watch": one for the current version of the page, and two related to changes. When I select one of the links, I'm taken to the appropriate destination without having to log in, and must've forgotten to do so before helping with the numbering.

It's fascinating to watch a Wiki arbitration unfold.

Dave Peters (talk) 09:46, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikibreak

I need help. i am on wikibreak as my important exams for academic part are going on. And as per Misplaced Pages; school is more important than itself: but i am helpless. I can't stop myself from clicking Edit! And I guess I must not be editing much till 23rd March, when exams would finish. But I find myself editing it more and more! Please help me to take a perfect decision.
aGastya  ✉ let’s talk about it  :) 13:44, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Here, use this. Problem solved. Yunshui 水 13:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Assistance requested regarding User:Skookum1

Yunshui,

User:Viriditas is asking for a non-involved admin to take a look at this case.

Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 05:01, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm struggling to make sense of the back-and-forth discussions in multiple venues, and I'm not even sure what's being objected to, or by whom. If you want this issue investigated, I would suggest opening an ANI thread with a clear timeline and supporting diffs; sorry, but few admins will be willing to spend their morning wading through edit histories and playing join-the-dots to try and understand what's going on here. Yunshui 水 08:35, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice :) WhisperToMe (talk) 09:39, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

help

Hi yunshui, how to treat the article like this here ?, and seems one closer is involved like this here , I see that an admin is already involved in the mess ? I have not seen that wiki is against such "promotional" managers of online content? Shrikanthv (talk) 06:38, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I've given the account a short block, but I don't see much of a future for them on Misplaced Pages - it's pretty clearly an SPA whose only intent here is to whitewash the article. I'm not making any changes to the article itself, but you should feel free to do so. Yunshui 水 08:41, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diplomacy
This good Superkid761 (talk) 11:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, but please bear in mind the message I left on your talkpage just now. Yunshui 水 11:03, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Query

Can i know why Mark Nutley's username was changed to DarknessShines 2 by Ladsgroup ?--CosmicEmperor (talk) 18:32, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

In short, not really, no. The rename was performed at the request of ArbCom as a result of a private email discussion, but I'm afraid that's about as much as the privacy policy will allow me to tell you. Yunshui 水 08:23, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Editnotice

Hello, Yunshui. At The dress (viral phenomenon), the dress originated from Scotland which uses British English. I wanted to create an edit notice to notify all the editors to use it in British English, but only administrators and template editors can amend the edits. Can you please help me create this edit notice in favour? Thanks! Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 08:45, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Done, though this should really be discussed on the article's talkpage. Yunshui 水 08:54, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Response

Responding to this comment

You seem determined to continue trying to aggravate User:Tetra quark by posting on his talkpage, so I am once again asking you to move the conversation here. Next time I won't be asking. Repeatedly posting on a user's talkpage when they have asked you not to do so is harrassment; it looks to me very much as though you are deliberately trying to provoke a reaction from TQ so that you can see him blocked again. You are not "behaving with civility to resolve this issue", you are purposely trying to escalate it. To coin a parallel, if your next-door-neighbour asked you - possibly quite forecefully - to stop urinating over his fence, would continuing to pee on his begonias, with the argument that they needed watering, be likely to make the situation better or worse?

You say that you have little choice but to continue edit-warring on another user's page to remove the offending text; here's another choice: how about just don't? No one is harmed by the presence of some bad words on Tetra quark's talkpage (for which he apologised, incidentally), and they're still perfectly legible if you strike them see?, so what are you hoping to achieve? Beyond antagonising an already aggravated user to the point that they start swearing at you again, I mean.

I was unaware that we had a rule whereby one (misinterpreted) policy trumped two other policies and three behavioural guidelines, so I'll be sure to bear that in mind in future...

Ultimately, my final word on this is: stop. Just stop. Leave Tetra quark alone, leave his talkpage alone, go and do something productive elsewhere on Misplaced Pages. Fire only burns if you keep adding fuel to it, so stop throwing on logs. Yunshui 水 13:08, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for you concerns. I have kindly asked this User to remove his derogatory and offensive text, several times. He continues to ignore my requests, delete any means of solving the issue, and reverses my necessary edits. If he refuses to acknowledge the incivility. I am not interested in getting this user Blocked, but I wish to remove the offensive text.
This User can quickly de-escalate this by removing the incivility, but be continually reverting the edits just means he's avoiding it.
Actually, I could have removed the text altogether, but that is unfair on the User, so I just struck it out instead.
As for "No one is harmed by the presence of some bad words on Tetra quark's talkpage (for which he apologised, incidentally)". Actually, he apologised to the Admin, John, but no one else.
Frankly, is the lesson here for me to start swearing at others too?
TQ can simply solve this problem. Q. Why won't he do so?
Cheers.
Note: It is absolutely no wonder that Misplaced Pages cannot get female editors which it is trying to currently promote), because the uncivil behaviour like this likely the principle reason they don't.
BTW. I really like your User Page background with all those pink blossoms! Arianewiki1 (talk) 13:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, I appreciate the compliment. I'm a big fan of sakura.
I think, fundamentally, you and TQ are going to have to agree to disagree over this. He has made it clear that he isn't planning to redact the swearing, and under the usual talkpage guidelines that is his right. I can't say that I think his decision is a good one, but he is entitled not to have his comments redacted on his own talkpage, no matter how poor the choice of language. Equally, I appreciate that you find it offensive - however the solution to offensive behaviour isn't to legitimise it by vigorously trying to stamp it out, but to disregard it until it becomes clear that no reaction will be forthcoming (if you have kids, I'm sure you know what I mean). Yes, TQ can solve the problem by removing the text in question - he has chosen not to, so why not take the higher moral ground and just ignore him? Yunshui 水 13:52, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Firstly. I owe you an unreserved apology. Your 24 hour block on me was fair and quite correct, because I had completely disrespected you with my final revert when you had already warned me. I regret this most of all. I now realise the seriousness on why this sanction was imposed - knowing that under normal conditions the sanction should have remained regardless of what I've said and what I've done. I really do appreciate your words and advice, and will keep that in mind if another circumstance like this comes along. 3RR is there with good reason, and I will heed this from now on. (I should have asked for help and not did it alone.) Regardless of what is right or wrong here, the outcome is always tinged with some regret and even remorse. I will be taking a few days break from editing, as I have other duties to perform, but I just wanted to extend my appreciation for you dedicating time to my stubbornness/ silliness. I will try to be better. Thanks and Best Wishes.
Note: I also learnt something very interesting from you. It didn't know about the Japanese name of sakura and didn't know it was related to the drink sakurayu. Thanks for that! Arianewiki1 (talk) 07:37, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

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