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I'm a long term user (first edit 2006) and have been an admin on or off since 2007. When we first started there was so much idealism and we really had no strong policies about inclusion except a desire to have some level of sourcing. As time moved on we became more structured and around the time I became an admin in 2007 we were grappling with the concept of collapsing non notable articles into lists which I was at the forefront of as a regular afd closer and constant presence at DRV. I had a lot of patience once and for that reason was regular DRV closer for a long time after GR Berry left the project. Sadly, my patience was degraded over time and getting involved in the PORNBIO wars pretty much washed out a lot of the good faith that policy and courtesy quite rightly requires us to show. This was again a major change in our approach to content and one of the first SNGs that was deprecated in favour of a more rigid approach to proper sourcing. Since then our content in this area has become much better and we are seeing similar struggles now in the sports arena where SNGs are slowly giving way to GNG level standards.

I have always taken a very legalistic approach to closing discussions that I recognise does not fit well to the current community standard, where low participation level allowing more brigading of votes or allowing more non-policy based arguments. For this reason I'm not really closing discussions but will still happily review old closes. Otherwise I mostly review and nominate unsuitable content as a BLP is a serious matter and needs to be properly sourced.

i am willing to userfy deleted articles for improvement as long as there is a reasonable likelihood that they can be saved. If you are challenging a deletion, do you have three good sources?

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Please don't leave talkback templates as I always watchlist pages when I edit and I'm perfectly capable of looking for a reply myself.
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Sylvester Rivers

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/Sylvester_Rivers

Thanks, Spartaz, for your thoughtful consideration of this article. I could definitely use some help. Sylvester Rivers has recorded over one hundred albums with numerous major artists on major labels, many of which are RIAA certified gold and multi-platinum. He is the composer and co-writer of the title song of the Michael Henderson album, “In the Night Time,” certified Gold by the RIAA and in the top 10 in two of the Billboard Charts plus in the top 40 in two other Billboard Charts. WP:NMUSIC lists notability criteria as follows, “For composers, songwriters, librettists or lyricists: 1. Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.” Sylvester Rivers is mentioned several times in existing Misplaced Pages articles and several Sylvester Rivers works have their own separate Misplaced Pages articles. The main issue seems to be verifiable sources. However, the main sources I used to verify these claims, Allmusic.com, RIAA.com, Billboard.com and Discogs.com, are the same ones used in many Good Articles on many major artists such as Tony Bennett and Nicki Minaj. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. I very much appreciate it. Riversco (talk) 03:59, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

  • I'll think you will find that Nicki Minaj and Tony Bennett are not relying on allmusic et al to show notability. The fact that they are used for non-N reasons has no bearing on the fact that they are not enough on their own for Sylvester Rivers to justify his own article. With regard to mentions you will see at WP;GNG that indepth is the required standard. Sorry but you need to find something more suitable. Spartaz 09:35, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Spartaz, for the help. Riversco (talk) 12:19, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks again, Spartaz, for the recent clarification. The afd nomination and negative votes were all placed when the article first posted in early draft form, with almost no book or magazine references, except those showing chart positions and RIAA gold and platinum certifications. As you noted the article was close, so I’ve added book and other references below:

1. Jones, Lesley-Ann (2012) “Ride A White Swan: The Lives and death of Marc Bolan” pp. 246-247., Hodder & Stoughton Ltd, ISBN-10: 1444758772, ISBN-13: 978-1444758771

2. MacKenzie, Alex (2009) “The Life and Times of the Motown Stars” p. 144, Together Publications, ISBN: 1842260146, 9781842260142

3. Pool, Jeannie (2007) “The Sound of Motown” http://www.asmac.org/motown-sound-panel-luncheon-november-14-2007/

4. White, Adam; Bronson, Fred (1993) “The Billboard Book of Number One Rhythm & Blues Hits” p. 91, p. 223, p. 238, Billboard Books, ISBN-0823082857, 9780823082858

Thanks, again. Riversco (talk) 06:06, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

  • the online source there is primary. I don't have access to the others. Can you describe what they are and the depth of detail please? Spartaz 20:27, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Innoculation

Hello Spartaz. Re: deletion of the page Innoculation. I went to this page expecting to find a redirect to Inoculation (as a misspelling), but according to the reason for deletion it must somehow have become tied up with WP:Articles for deletion/Inoculator. That discussion doesn't seem to make clear what state Innoculation was in at the time of deletion. However, I was wondering if at some point in its history it was a redirect to Inoculation? And if so, could it be restored and reverted to that state? That would seem to be a useful redirect – but I wanted to check with you the correct way to get there rather than just recreating the page. Thank you! – Wdchk (talk) 01:36, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Mass delete?

Hello, you recently blocked User talk:SilverSurfingSerpent. As noted on the talk page, even outside of the issues of socking the user was not very careful with their editing as they raced to get to the 500 edit mark. They created a lot of articles like United States presidential election in Washington (state), 1980 and United States Senate election in Wyoming, 1988 . I checked only these two and in both of them there were significant errors - in one they got the year wrong and in the other they got the state wrong. Are they a candidate for mass deletion or is there a way to ensure all of the users work gets verified? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 09:38, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Array Networks DRV

Hi. A small comment about your DRV close. You said, doesn't appear to be a clear consensus here that the sourced offered guarantee a new version would pass another AFD. I think you might be holding things to a higher standard than necessary. IMHO, what we're looking for is a reasonable chance to pass AFD, not a guarantee, and then AFD can make the final call. I'm not objecting to your close, just my thoughts. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:30, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

  • i'm not sure we actually mean different things. In essence the close was endorse the prev deletion but anyone can have a go at recreating at risk from an afd. The degree of risk reflected as advice afterwards is perhaps superfluous to that finding. I'm towards the deletionist end of the scale so maybe I read the risk of failing an afd as higher then you did but we would both agree that this is for the afd to determine not drv. does this help clarify what was in my mind? Spartaz 12:45, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

User:Brews ohare

Hi Spartaz, you indeffed this user over two weeks ago. They continue to use their Talk page as "editing central" for pages that interest them at Misplaced Pages. I already removed one article-per-Brews from their Talk page and warned them. They haven't been as blatant since, but if it were my call, I'd still revoke talk page access as this is not an appropriate use of a talk page while blocked. However, it's your block, and if it doesn't bother you, I'll let it alone.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:52, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

  • I don't feel strongly about it as I didn't formally topic ban them - especially if playing with his talk page means he isn't encouraged to sock. Honestly, feel free to act but I won't unless the page use becomes clearly disruptive. Spartaz 17:43, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Deleted article

The article List of civilian massacres attributed to the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam which was created by me on 18 May 2015 was deleted by you at the AFD on 30 May 2015. I am little bit confused with your decision to delete it without making any remarks on the decision. I would like to know the reason for the deletion? --LahiruG 06:28, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Eric Sullivan

Hello. I am a bit confused regarding your deletion decision for Eric Sullivan. Since a few years ago, Grammy is awarded to album producers as well, which is clearly stated on the official Grammy website and for which I proved evidence during discussion. So, basically nothing differs Eric Sullivan from other Grammy-winning producers. The topic clearly passes WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. Before taking this to Deletion review, I wanted to check things with you. Cheers! --BiH (talk) 08:53, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

as far as I can see the Grammy was for an album not a personal Grammy. Unless there is a consensus to point to that says that counts as a personal win, I'd expect DRV to prefer a failure to meet GNG over an albums award. YMMV. Spartaz 20:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)